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> The Apple Thread, Formerly, the MacBook Pro thread
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Posted: May 19 2006, 08:51 AM


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http://www.apple.com/macbook/macbook.html

The new lower end macbook is out.

I don't see much difference between the white and black one other than the color and more hd space >_<
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  Posted: May 19 2006, 09:10 AM


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Intel GMA 950 graphics processor with 64MB of DDR2 SDRAM shared with main memory1

If it weren't for that right there, I'd probably buy one and sell my PowerBook.

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Heh... Is integrated graphics really that bad for a Mac though? I would get any Mac laptop period if it only were 64-bit... ><
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  Posted: May 20 2006, 08:58 AM


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QUOTE (BOZZY @ Yesterday at 2:11 PM)
Heh... Is integrated graphics really that bad for a Mac though? I would get any Mac laptop period if it only were 64-bit... ><

I guaruntee you'll have to wait a couple years for a 64-bit AppleBook. The only 64-Bit processors they've done were some of the PowerMac G5's (those things kick ass though). I don't know if Intel has a 64-bit CPU in the works for the PowerMac's replacement (MacMac?) or not. But for the same reason the G5 never made it into the Powerbook (battery life), I'm sure it'll be a while till we see Apple with a 64.

I still fail to see why you're so demanding of a 64-bit processor in a reletively underpowered notebook. Your dissapointment may be justified if you were looking into a MacBook Pro, but these MacBooks, they're not exactly super computers.
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Apparently they are in the works, the current Intel chip, the Yonah, 32-bit chip, is the last mainstream 32-bit CPU being built by Intel.

The next generation, Dual Core, 64-bit chips called Conroe (Desktops) and Memro (Mobile) are coming out in August, under the most silliest name Core 2 Duo... Which apparently do better battery life then the current mobile CPUs btw...

Some Mac sites and forums speculate that the next round of MacBook Pros are coming out in August-December and will feature the Memro, if so I am buying my MBP then...
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Posted: May 20 2006, 11:13 AM


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I want any Mac except the Mini Mac and the integrated graphics Macbook.

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What's the major difference between 32-bit and 64-bit? Wouldn't a 64-bit drive up the price and require modifying OSX to a significant degree?

And what's so bad about intergrated graphics? (At least it improves battery life >_>)

Meh, I don't regret ordering mine so early. I'm going to need the time to get familiar with OSX anyway...It should get here Wednesday happy.gif

Also:
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops/the...wful-171394.php
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For gaming and rendering, yes, integrated graphics are horrible.

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QUOTE (xxxkHOLiC @ Yesterday at 2:16 PM)
Meh, I don't regret ordering mine so early. I'm going to need the time to get familiar with OSX anyway...It should get here Wednesday happy.gif

Ahh, yet another crosses to the dark side. cool.gif

What exactly you get?
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I'm trying to bribe my father with getting me a friggin iMac. Grr.

How you might ask? Well, I get a allowance of $60 per month, so with the monthly payoff and working at their business every Saturday, it just might be worth it.

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The e-buzz is that these MacBooks are "whining" and overheating. Something to think about fellas.
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Posted: May 21 2006, 05:50 PM


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They issued a recall.
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Posted: May 21 2006, 05:55 PM


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QUOTE (zerocool_designs @ Yesterday at 11:00 PM)
Ahh, yet another crosses to the dark side.  cool.gif

What exactly you get?

* 2.16GHz Intel Core Duo
* 2GB 667 DDR2 - 2x1GB SO-DIMMs
* 120GB Serial ATA drive @ 5400 rpm
* MacBook Pro 17-inch Widescreen Display
* SuperDrive 8x (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
* Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
* AirPort Extreme Card & Bluetooth
* 17-inch TFT Display

It should be here tomorrow. Hopefully, they applied the grease properly =\

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthrea...hreadid=1864582

Kerxn, the recall is only on the batteries.

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QUOTE (xxxkHOLiC @ Yesterday at 3:16 PM)
What's the major difference between 32-bit and 64-bit? Wouldn't a 64-bit drive up the price and require modifying OSX to a significant degree?

And what's so bad about intergrated graphics? (At least it improves battery life >_>)

Meh, I don't regret ordering mine so early. I'm going to need the time to get familiar with OSX anyway...It should get here Wednesday happy.gif

Also:
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops/the...wful-171394.php
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I believe a 64-bit chip has more registers, I believe I mentioned this somewhere before ><, also I believe Mac OS X supports 64-bit, they have some subsite on 64-bit at least on their site that hints to it being supportive of 64-bit...

I've decided to wait on a Memro-powered Macbook Pro before I make the official jump to Apple... tongue.gif
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Posted: May 21 2006, 09:00 PM


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Bozzy,
Just curious about something. I believe you're in college studying computer science..leaning towards programming right? If so...why get a Mac? I have to imagine that most of your eventual work will be done with PC's....unless the Mac will be purely a pleasure computer?








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Actually after having talked to Apex Carver via MSN, and still having no clue what he was trying to tell me later (apparently I had something earlier in the convo that I was supposed to re-read)... I've come to the conclusion it would be a pleasure machine... unless I do change plans and try to get into Teacher's College...
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QUOTE (logan510 @ Today at 9:50 PM)
Bozzy,
Just curious about something. I believe you're in college studying computer science..leaning towards programming right? If so...why get a Mac? I have to imagine that most of your eventual work will be done with PC's....unless the Mac will be purely a pleasure computer?








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I'm in that exact situation. And for me, it will be a pleasure computer. Once I learn enough about hardware, I'll build my own PC to use for school. Otherwise, I'll use Linux or XP when OSX isn't apt for the job.
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QUOTE (logan510 @ Today at 12:50 AM)
Bozzy,
Just curious about something. I believe you're in college studying computer science..leaning towards programming right? If so...why get a Mac? I have to imagine that most of your eventual work will be done with PC's....unless the Mac will be purely a pleasure computer?








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Finally, someone gets it? smile.gif

Thanks! wink2.gif
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My best friend is in school right now for PC stuff...not going for a degree tho, he just wants to get as many certs as he can ( A+, Net+ etc etc ) and he's seriously considering giving a try at programming. My boss, who is the network administrator told my bud that at least here ( USA ), programming can be tricky to get into because so many companies outsource for programmers, where for jobs like ours...network admin and PC support specialist/helpdesk they always need warm bodies in the office. Is the IT market different in Canada? I honestly have no clue.




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My best friend is in school right now for PC stuff...not going for a degree tho, he just wants to get as many certs as he can ( A+, Net+ etc etc ) and he's seriously considering giving a try at programming. My boss, who is the network administrator told my bud that at least here ( USA ), programming can be tricky to get into because so many companies outsource for programmers, where for jobs like ours...network admin and PC support specialist/helpdesk they always need warm bodies in the office. Is the IT market different in Canada? I honestly have no clue.




Casey

It's not as bad as in the US from what I understand, I have quite a few colleagues who are working as consultants... I am still unsure what to do... I might go back for a few extra semesters to boost up my GPA and then see what my options are like...
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My boss, who is the network administrator told my bud that at least here ( USA ), programming can be tricky to get into because so many companies outsource for programmers




Casey

I've heard this too, but how bad is it? America outsources everything possible, but does anybody have any idea how difficult it is to get a job in the IT market? I'm entering college this fall, and I'd like to have other options for my major in case things don't work how I plan.
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I'll be honest...I've only heard this from other people. The job I have now ( PC support specialist / help desk ) is my first IT job and I totally got in through the back door. After years of being a "starving artist" ( I'm an art college graduate ) I decided to get a "real" job and ended up getting into the Logistics dept. at my current company handling domestic and foreign freight forwarding ( as dull as it sounds smile.gif I became good friends with the guy who had my job before me and he got me my start in IT, I had always been interested in computers, but it was nothing more than a hobby. I was basically his lackey, officially splitting time between the two jobs and my company actually paid for me to get my A+ certification. As luck would have it, my friend quit the company last year over a personal dispute with another co-worker..and as they say..opportunity only knocks once..and I aggresively persued the job. They gave me a 90 day probationary tryout full time in the IT dept., hired a temp full time for my old position..and the rest is history. At the end of the 90 days I had proven myself enough for them to offer me the job full time and are now paying for even more education. In the next 6 months I'll be taking a Lotus Notes administrator class, as well as a Windows Server 2003 server/client class. I've never had to pay any dues ( working as a Bestbuy Geek or at Comp USA ) and I totally know how lucky I am to have gotten this job...considering how many other people there are with more experience than I have right now.





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Hmm...It looks like my only hope is going to be internships, and as much education as possible.
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QUOTE (logan510 @ Today at 1:46 AM)
I'll be honest...I've only heard this from other people. The job I have now ( PC support specialist / help desk ) is my first IT job and I totally got in through the back door. After years of being a "starving artist" ( I'm an art college graduate ) I decided to get a "real" job and ended up getting into the Logistics dept. at my current company handling domestic and foreign freight forwarding ( as dull as it sounds smile.gif I became good friends with the guy who had my job before me and he got me my start in IT, I had always been interested in computers, but it was nothing more than a hobby. I was basically his lackey, officially splitting time between the two jobs and my company actually paid for me to get my A+ certification. As luck would have it, my friend quit the company last year over a personal dispute with another co-worker..and as they say..opportunity only knocks once..and I aggresively persued the job. They gave me a 90 day probationary tryout full time in the IT dept., hired a temp full time for my old position..and the rest is history. At the end of the 90 days I had proven myself enough for them to offer me the job full time and are now paying for even more education. In the next 6 months I'll be taking a Lotus Notes administrator class, as well as a Windows Server 2003 server/client class. I've never had to pay any dues ( working as a Bestbuy Geek or at Comp USA ) and I totally know how lucky I am to have gotten this job...considering how many other people there are with more experience than I have right now.





Casey

It's still a nice story to hear from you how you got such a nice job... If I hadn't screwed up a completely amazing job I had in my last year of high school, namely working as tech support for a major bank in their downtown building (this was when I was 18-19), I would probably be in a similar position, having a steady well paying job.

xxxkholic, just pursue your degree to your outmost, if you are a good programmer and can work with groups you will find a job, just try to stay away from working for video companies, as their hours are torture (I believe at EA when they have a deadline sometimes employees do 20-hour work days to get things done).

There are many jobs other than programming, as logan mentioned, there is IT jobs where you provide technical support, there is also Database Administration (DBA), one of the fields that I am interested in pursuing if I decide not to go to get into Teacher's College (apparently there is a different term for the school you go to get a teacher's certificate in the US, or so someone told me when explaining what Teacher's College is), which is quite fascinating and not really work intensive.

I'll go into a little detail what DBAs do, they pretty much create and maintain databases for enterprises, provide specific functionality to certain users to read data from the tables/database, make the database more efficient by means of normalizaiton (a process used to reduce redundancies in databases) and much more.
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QUOTE (xxxkHOLiC @ Yesterday at 8:45 PM)
* 2.16GHz Intel Core Duo
* 2GB 667 DDR2 - 2x1GB SO-DIMMs
* 120GB Serial ATA drive @ 5400 rpm
* MacBook Pro 17-inch Widescreen Display
* SuperDrive 8x (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
* Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
* AirPort Extreme Card & Bluetooth
* 17-inch TFT Display

ohmy.gif wow.

You may just have my 1.3Ghz Powerbook beat... maybe. lol.

Get AppleCare!

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