Initial D World - Discussion Board / Forums
   
Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )Resend Validation Email

DJ Panel ( Server Stats )   Song History   Initial D World Chat Room (Discord)   Broadband Stream
RADIO BROADCAST » streaming at 96kbps with 13 unique listeners, playing Takurami

       

  Important Rules
user posted imageNOTE : All pinned topics were replaced by one main topic that links to important topics. Check that topic out first before starting a new one. Please read the thread (Competition) - General Rules before making a challenge topic. All challenge threads must adhere to the example challenge format. All competitions are based on a honor system, lying about your lap times could earn you an actual warning. Any kind of discussions related to ROMs, WAREZ and methods of copying copyrighted materials are prohibited in this section of the forums. Any inflammatory comments, flaming and flame baiting will not be tolerated. Violators will be issued an actual warning. These forums are for friendly competitions.


FORUM MODERATOR : FORUM MODERATOR

 

Views: 1,761  ·  Replies: 19 
> Racing tyres + heavy cars = GT4 says no, Bad glitch perhaps?
VTiRoj
  Posted: Oct 5 2007, 09:55 AM


IDW's neighbourhood Roj
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,973
Member No.: 15,576
Joined: Jan 25th 2006
Location: Blackpool, England





It seems for a while now, I have noticed that the Land Rover Range Stormer, when equipped with racing tyres, accelerates like its literally glued to the road. As in, it accelerates like the Model T Ford. Now with sports tyres, or rally tyres, its fine. Only racing tyres do this.

Now, I thought it was a 1 car problem, so I just didnt drive it anymore. But now, I find the Dodge Ram has the same problem.

So, is this a bad glitch? Or are racing tyres for heavy cars TOO grippy? pinch2.gif
Kurei
Posted: Oct 5 2007, 02:58 PM


The Driving Specialist.
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,429
Member No.: 15,603
Joined: Jan 26th 2006
Location: Michigan





So your saying the problem is your getting much, much more traction from racing tires equiped on heavy cars than normal cars?

That actually sounds normal if you think about it, heavier car equals more weight put on the tires as they push on the road, think of it like downforce, if you get what im saying.

Or is it something else ?
EA11R
Posted: Oct 5 2007, 03:07 PM


coffee break anyone?
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 508
Member No.: 15,978
Joined: Feb 17th 2006
Location: Palmdale, CA





It's something else entirely. He's saying that the acceleration becomes very sluggish when you put high-grip tyres on heavy cars. I've heard about it once before on GTP. Probably not often talked about because few people are very keen on excellent cornering in heavy cars.
Kurei
Posted: Oct 5 2007, 05:18 PM


The Driving Specialist.
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,429
Member No.: 15,603
Joined: Jan 26th 2006
Location: Michigan





Well if its acceleration, then drivetrain issues come into play, I.E AWD vs. RWD

If you'd give a better description on what the issue is VT, i could test it out tomorrow when i get the time and give a solid answear then.
VTiRoj
  Posted: Oct 6 2007, 04:40 AM


IDW's neighbourhood Roj
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,973
Member No.: 15,576
Joined: Jan 25th 2006
Location: Blackpool, England





Basically, buy a Dodge Ram, tune it to the max, and buy it R5 tyres. Go to the dragstrip, and do a run with S tyres, then the R5s. You'll find the S tyre behaves normally, but the R tyre makes the car very sluggish. Just try for yourself and you'll see.
Spike Razzor
Posted: Oct 6 2007, 04:49 AM


The lazy racer, getting faster with less effort.
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 969
Member No.: 24,227
Joined: Apr 29th 2007
Location: Mississauga, Ontario





Basically:

Weight = Grip

Better tires = Grip

Weight + Tires = Even more grip

The only bad part is that weight also means understeering and sluggish response when cornering.
VTiRoj
  Posted: Oct 6 2007, 04:55 AM


IDW's neighbourhood Roj
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,973
Member No.: 15,576
Joined: Jan 25th 2006
Location: Blackpool, England





QUOTE (Spike Razzor @ Today at 1:49 PM)
Basically:

Weight = Grip

Better tires = Grip

Weight + Tires = Even more grip

The only bad part is that weight also means understeering and sluggish response when cornering.

Even with weight reduction that happens huh? Damn.

But, if thats true, why does my Chevrolet Silverado (we're talking 1900kg or so I think) drive normally on R tyres? huh.gif
Kurei
Posted: Oct 6 2007, 06:31 AM


The Driving Specialist.
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,429
Member No.: 15,603
Joined: Jan 26th 2006
Location: Michigan





We'll i guess i can test that later as well, unless i have to win it, then i won't, im in a lazy mood today, but i will test the Ram, shouldn't be too different from my uncle's Silverado

This post has been edited by Kurei on Oct 6 2007, 06:32 AM
VTiRoj
  Posted: Oct 6 2007, 07:16 AM


IDW's neighbourhood Roj
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,973
Member No.: 15,576
Joined: Jan 25th 2006
Location: Blackpool, England





Ram is only 37,000, its the Range Stormer you have to win.
Kurei
Posted: Oct 6 2007, 04:27 PM


The Driving Specialist.
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,429
Member No.: 15,603
Joined: Jan 26th 2006
Location: Michigan





Well i took it to the drag strip to test for any difference in characteristics, and well...

I didn't feel much difference, i ran with S tires, seemed normal, then R tires, same thing, i will note however that on take-off with R tires, the launch felt a little sluggish, and if anything its the drag produced by the front tires having grippy tires (ask sweeper if you don't know what im talking about)

Thats my guess, most of it may be your imagination as well, i've done that before wink2.gif
VTiRoj
  Posted: Oct 7 2007, 07:07 AM


IDW's neighbourhood Roj
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,973
Member No.: 15,576
Joined: Jan 25th 2006
Location: Blackpool, England





Was the Ram you tried fully tuned Kurei? As in all parts installed. Here I got a good 2 seconds difference because on R tyres my Ram wont go past 80mph!
Sweeper
Posted: Oct 7 2007, 07:39 AM


IDW Goldmember
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,133
Member No.: 2,798
Joined: Aug 25th 2004
Location: Levanger, Norway





After checking it up it is FAR from imagination, if you fail to notice it well then you are really blind heh.
Anyway, to replicate it you need a fully tuned Dodge RAM skip the weight reduction but full power and R5 tires ARE needed to make it work.
Then set off to any track, keep your foot planted on the gas and watch the rev limiter, sometimes it will stop and even drop when driving on a FLAT straight at speeds less or around 60 MPH / 100 KPH and you will hear the tires chirp for NO apparent reason, even at higher speeds than that, they chirp, revs may drop approx 100-200 RPM then it will accelerate for a while before it happens again.
Compared to a run on S3 tires, you will lose on straightaway performance because of this.
Kurei
Posted: Oct 7 2007, 12:14 PM


The Driving Specialist.
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,429
Member No.: 15,603
Joined: Jan 26th 2006
Location: Michigan





Well i had full weight reduction and just threw on R3's and maxed power, didn't do suspension or anything, so that possibly threw it off, i'll try it again later without the reduction and R5's and stuff

One thing i can't figure out is why someone would want a Fully tuned Ram in the first place whistling.gif
VTiRoj
  Posted: Oct 7 2007, 12:21 PM


IDW's neighbourhood Roj
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,973
Member No.: 15,576
Joined: Jan 25th 2006
Location: Blackpool, England





Because I want one. Is that a crime? tongue.gif

Not to mention its capabilities as a battering ram. shifty2.gif Oh hello Mr.Coupe. BAM!
EA11R
Posted: Oct 7 2007, 06:28 PM


coffee break anyone?
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 508
Member No.: 15,978
Joined: Feb 17th 2006
Location: Palmdale, CA





According to the anonymous Mr. 5 Second Penalty, it is a crime! shifty2.gif
VTiRoj
  Posted: Oct 8 2007, 04:19 AM


IDW's neighbourhood Roj
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,973
Member No.: 15,576
Joined: Jan 25th 2006
Location: Blackpool, England





QUOTE (EA11R @ Today at 3:28 AM)
According to the anonymous Mr. 5 Second Penalty, it is a crime! shifty2.gif

5 second penalty is only on rally wink2.gif its free game at the tuner races shifty2.gif

Why am I using R5's in race conditions you ask? Because I want to! whistling.gif
Kurei
Posted: Oct 8 2007, 08:42 AM


The Driving Specialist.
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,429
Member No.: 15,603
Joined: Jan 26th 2006
Location: Michigan





I would've posted my finding's early but i forgot yesterday while i watched Family guy instead

And your right, R5's do slow the vehicle down, i also tried it with R3's, they didn't have as much as a impact as R5's (i hit like 110 i think), but they affect it as well, once your past 86mph it starts to pick up, but R5's fell like the tires were melted to the road

My re-vised guess, is that its a programing error, and not a glitch, because a glitch is a way you can make the game messed up, this tire issue however is already programed into the games physic's engine, all you have to do is invoke that portion of the code

I still don't see why you'd want a Ram when you can get a S2000 at a similar price laugh.gif
VTiRoj
  Posted: Oct 8 2007, 08:47 AM


IDW's neighbourhood Roj
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,973
Member No.: 15,576
Joined: Jan 25th 2006
Location: Blackpool, England





QUOTE (Kurei @ Today at 5:42 PM)
I still don't see why you'd want a Ram when you can get a S2000 at a similar price laugh.gif

Which would win in a battle of "shove the other guy off the road"? A lightweight S2000, or a heavyweight Ram? tongue.gif
Hachi_Roku
Posted: Oct 8 2007, 09:54 AM


5000 GET !!
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,163
Member No.: 8,897
Joined: Jun 26th 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada





That depends. Is this in GT4 world where the S2K can run, or IRL, where its actually possible without the S2K getting away.
VTiRoj
  Posted: Oct 8 2007, 09:56 AM


IDW's neighbourhood Roj
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,973
Member No.: 15,576
Joined: Jan 25th 2006
Location: Blackpool, England





Quit trying to shoot down my ownership of a Dodge Ram dry.gif tongue.gif

Edit: Oh snap, we both have blue Chaser's in our sig Hachi_Roku laugh.gif

This post has been edited by VTiRoj on Oct 8 2007, 09:57 AM