No.

Ten gets his just deserts a few times, thankfully, but it's hard to root for Ataru when he's such a fucking knob.

Still no.

Disagree with all of these but CCO in particular is probably the worst example you could have come up with next to a 4kids dub. It's amusing for its over-the-top quality but that's what makes it so bad as a dub. To its credit, the only kind of dub I'd watch is one like that, and purely ironically ("so bad it's good", etc.).

Isn't it clear that he wants to be the next golden boy?

I'd tell you to read what I wrote again, but there's no point.

And I'd tip to that, but I left my fedora in the-- hahaha couldn't be bothered to finish that.

This...

...is more like a 5-star job of illustrating anecdotal evidence. If you want me to explain why dubs have no reason to exist, I'll do so, but you're the one who will have to show me what purpose they serve to the media (and I can tell you right now you're not gonna have a good time trying to do that).

These are opinions.

Your reading comprehension is really something to behold. I never said anything about what I want to see more of or less of. I don't care whether dubs exist or not. I'm only saying that they have no reason to exist and are an objectively inferior deviation from an original work of art.

No, as I explained above, localization does actually exactly mean "instabutchered" by its own nature.

Also opinions.

This still doesn't matter, but does make me consider one thing - I think you could have an argument for a dub being a valid alternative if the creator(s) of the original work acknowledge it as a more authentic way of experiencing their work. For instance, if Chiaki Konaka said the English dub of The Big O was actually the definitive way to enjoy the series, you could then say that the English dub is superior to the Japanese original. And yes, as unfortunate as it may seem, this does mean, for instance, that George Lucas' director's cuts of the original Star Wars films are more canon than the originals if he so chooses to accept them as such, because whether someone likes them or not is simply his/her opinion.

Funny you say that, because this is the least-retarded argument I've ever had with him.

I'm finally back home and have some time before work, so let's begin the breakdown. In fact, lemme just go ahead and switch from Anzu no Uta to BRE∀K DOWN! because DDR gets me pumped and BeForU is amazing. Ahh....there we go. Now where's my fedora...

In any event, let's begin with this statement right here, shall we?

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but while you may not like dubs and may not agree with their existence, there is 'literally' a reason for them to exist. Your statement is patently false. Dubs exist to increase accessibility to content. You may not personally enjoy watching a dub or may wave a flag proclaiming that any Anime not in Japanese isn't 'real' or is 'bad', but that opinion does not change the fact that the dubbed market does exist for a reason. By making this singular statement you have already begun to roll down Weeb Avenue.

Now, later on in a response to Rudy you then quickly backpedal a teensie bit and move your goalpost, correcting your statement so that rather than the massively broad generalization it was originally it's now 'dubs serve no purpose [to the original media]'. Moving the goalpost does not a coherent argument make. It simply proves that attempting to have logical discourse with you is going to be, in your words, a 'good time'. But hey, I'm all about Happy Days, so why the hell not. Let's continue.

I will start by pointing out that this statement here is once again altering your original argument from 'dubs have no reason to exist' to 'Defend your personal preference'. These two things have nothing whatsoever in common, so I will not attempt to defend a preference as some sort of counter-argument to your point that dubs have no reason to exist. My opionion about the quality of one dub or another will not change the fact that dubs do have a reason to exist, not to mention even if I do defend my enjoyment of one dub or another you can immediately once more pull out the 'anecdotal evidence' card and invalidate it. It's a circular argument.

But once again, I'm a raging masochist, so I'll even answer the question you asked Tessou! I prefer to watch Dragonball Z in English, specifically the dub that FUNimation began in the middle of the Freeza Saga and continued all the way to the present. I did not for the most part enjoy the original dub (though it had its funny moments) nor do I enjoy the new dub voices used for Kai and the latest batch of video games. I enjoyed this particular dub because it conveyed very well the emotion and characterizations of the cast and, since this was a fighting Anime, allowed me to become absorbed in what was going on. On top of that, all of my friends who were into Dragonball Z grew up on the same dub, so we were all quite content with it.

I also watched the original Japanese (as for a time most of the movies were not available in English), and having sampled both I still personally prefer the dub to the original. The jury is still out on whether I prefer the original music or the Bruce Faulconer score, but thankfully my DVD collection lets me watch either language with either music track. Thanks, FUNi.

I can even give an example of a show where I am on the fence about preference: Outlaw Star. I absolutely love the English dub--they did a brilliant job of it. The characters are all perfectly personified in English, with Aisha being the screechy annoying catgirl, Suzuka the cool, calm, mature woman, Jim the kid-acting-older-than-his-age, Gene the kid-in-adult-clothes... the list goes on. When I'm introducing the show to others I'll often go with the dub since it's more accessible for many and I've no complaints about its quality.

That being said...the original version was brilliant too. There are a few jokes that didn't quite translate perfectly into English (though the dub did a great job of coming up with new ones that held a similar place, such as 'Death Rob'/'Deaf Rob' in Episode 1), not to mention my favorite voice actress of all time bar-none is Aisha. Yuuko Miyamura is love. So if you asked me what my favorite was, I'd probably go 'ehhhhhhhh...' and tilt my head a few times in confusion. If you asked if I enjoyed the dub though, that would be a resounding 'hell yes'.

Now let's return to your argument for a moment and remind those playing along at home what's at stake. After all, there sure were a lot of words up there.

Whoops. That sounds like you just admitted that dubs have a reason to exist!

Oh, whoops. I forgot, you moved your goalpost. Well, carry on then.

Here comes the WRX Demon. Japan counter for the post I quoted just now: 4. Now, on the other hand you didn't try to tell us that TL NOTE: RAMEN MEANS JAPANESE NOODLES but it certainly felt that way to read. That is, however simply my opinion and has no bearing on the core of the discussion. I just thought it was only fair to elaborate upon my earlier WRX Demon comment.

Once more I will reiterate that this has nothing whatsoever to do with your original argument that 'dubs serve no purpose', and that all but I have managed to fall into your trap and miss the fact that you've moved the goalpost since your original completely senseless statement. As a fun point, however, I will point out that there have been dubs in which the original creator found the dub to be 'worthy'. Examples include Metal Gear Solid, El-Hazard: The Magnificent World, and every Hayao Miyazaki Ghibli film ever.

"Well, those are only..."

Stop there. The point is not the ability to rattle off hundreds of titles. The point is that all that is required to stop your argument dead in its tracks is to provide one example to the contrary. I have provided three, which is more if you actually bother to list out all the Miyazaki films.

That should about cover it. If there's anything I missed, then by all means let's discuss it. Otherwise, can we please return to opinions about fun/good dubs and stop this nonsense about whether they have a 'purpose' or not? I'll even start.

I think nowadays dubbed anime is a lost art-form, unless it's a big production.

I always liked the option to choose between 2 or more languages on the fly ~ it's a really helpful tool for studying Japanese & other languages.

Likewise you get to hear either good or hilarious dialogue in English, a plus for people like me that are passionate about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubbing_(filmmaking)#Methods, singing, and acting. ♪ ♫

But yeah it's definitely a lost art, usually cause of budget & time constraints. Hopefully the future will still see more good animation both subbed & dubbed tho right!

★ I'mma be honest... the abridged DBZ is the maximum version of Dragon Ball：

★ Broly Movie's got some of Vegeta's best badass one-liners too！

This is my favorite episode: