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Well i haven't tested the whole Trio, the Celica and Evo have yet to show up in the lot, but i managed to get a Black Ver. V, so i tested that

Its a very, very stable car, it runs smooth and doesn't flinch to much when pitched into a corner, yet i can feel some understeer right where you don't want it...

the apex.

Being on R2 tires isn't helping avoid that, its a contributor for sure, but not the only reason for its understeer, i noticed that the settings aren't very defined, there just sorta random guesses at a good setting
For example, your tranny is spread out way too far if your looking for track performance, having it like that is killing the accel, but if this is suppost to be a wagan (sp?) car then i can sorta see, but i suggest tinkering with that for sure.
Also your Suspension is kinda soft weither you want wagan or track performance, in this case it may better to go stiff and lower it, having it soft is allowing un-wanted weight transfers to happen on the horizontal axis, overloading your tires and slipping them

I also noticed you didn't lower the weight, doing this would greatly improve the overall characteristics of it, and make things go alot quicker, also buying a better flywheel would help accel weither you leave the tranny as is or improve it, because the stock one is heavy and takes some force to turn, making it lighter would ease the stress on the car's part and like i said before, improve characteristics

Other than that, the last thing i suggest looking over is your LSD and VCD, to me there not even necessary with the right settings and correct technique, matter of fact they might even be slowing you down, they certainly slow my Impreza down, i just tossed them out the window and decided to focus on building technique to overcome the Imprezza's previous problems

Its ok as it is now, but it can be much better if you put some serious time into it, i'll make a post when i get one of the other 2 cars im still waiting for, till then

Lol, thanks for the review on the STi. To be frank, yes, the trio was aimed to be an all-rounder, though this was leaning towards the Wangan cars, just to kick me in the butt to write the long updated story of mine.

As for the suspension, I may look into that, though I did tried one with stiff suspension; the Sti seemed to be slipping through the corners. For the R2 tyres, uhh.. it's my standard actually.

For the weight issue, I had planned it to visualise how a person in real world would do their upgrades with a tight budget. Since weight reduction is a big no-no, I had left it as it is, and concentrated on other parts to minimise the weight problem.

No matter, thanks for the review, I'll look into it and form about the 2nd version.

I gave the Impreza a try of these 4WD machines and I was disappointed.
The LSD is too strong to the front, granted the front pulls with traction for accleration but it loses handling as such, way too much FF in this.
The 10% power that goes to the front ruins everything in this case, the differential I think would be better suited to a 50/50 distro which sucks for straightaway performance.

The rear setting on the LSD shows weaknesses when trying to take advantage of a 4WD's cars traction it easily starts to spin on one wheel and requires careful throttle work when pushing a lot of G's to keep that inner rear wheel planted and ready to slam down the power.
The suspension is ok in that aspect but it has a lot of torque steer upon turn in, I gave it a try with S3's and suffice to say I was more on the brakes than on the throttle and I often had to wait for the front to settle in before I could open up the throttle and hope it steered clear of the outer wall.

It would help by stiffening up the roll bars to improve suspension stiffness as they do not compromise anything bump related, stiffening up the springs will make the car more bumpy however.
You should also consider lowering it for more performance, as currently the suspension has more stroke than it needs and thus makes it move a lot in corners.
Try bolting on a standard 1.5 way LSD and see if it helps on the power distro.

Thanks for the input. I'm going through the process of tweaking the Impreza's settings to eliminate the weaknesses, and also changing the gear setups to a more suitable one. After all it is my first shot at 4wd cars, which I'm not good at from the start.

Dude, give a shot to the Crossfire, so I can finally post my new Evo setup in my thread. and then, try out that Evo and prepare to be shocked.. since she's quite good handler, and all that was achieved with LSD-tuning.

Lol, okay. I'll give it a go once I release another two cars when I was frustrated with myself...

Coming up two cars...

Racer 666 Series...

Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec 95' (R33)
595bhp
Top Speed = 340kmh (Natural limit)
Handling = Neutral
Braking = Understeer, stabilise
Recover car from near spin-out = Release gas, counter-steer, feather gas.
Acceleration = Normal (Near TXR3 quality)

Toyota Supra RZ 97'
616bhp
Top Speed = 355kmh (Natural limit)
Handling = Oversteer
Braking = Neutral, semi-stabilise
Recover car from near spin-out = Release gas, counter-steer immediately, feather gas.
Acceleration = Fast (Near Maximum Tune quality)

Both cars did a 2'59 on Special Stage Route 5. Setups coming up next. And yes, the disadvantages are there on purpose. Not all cars are perfect, right? Also, this is the first time where the first 5 gears are made for track races, while the 6th gear is left wide for highway speeding.

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Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec R33 1995'




595bhp

Mods...
Weight Reduction 1
Racing Brakes
Brake Controller
Triple-Plate Clutch
Carbon Driveshaft
Full Customise Transmission
R2 Tyres (For Family Cup, R3s for Practice and time trials)
Turbo Stage 3 (HKS)
Racing Intercooler
Racing Exhaust
Sports ECU
Engine Balancing
Port/Polish
Displacement UP
Oil Change
No Driving Aids
Refresher Plan


Settings...
Brakes: 4/4
Suspension: 9/11
Ride Height: 114/120
Damper: 8/8
Camber angle: 2.2/1.7
Toe-in/out: -2/2
Stabiliser: 6/6
Transmission: Leave final gear as default. Then, set auto gear to 20. From there, set the gears as it is...
1st-3.200
2nd-2.150
3rd-1.525
4th-1.125
5th-0.870
6th-0.670

Top Speed - Around 340kmh to 350kmh (Tested at La Sarthe)
Times - Special Stage Route 5 (Family Cup, Difficulty 10) - 2'59'xxx

NOTE: Use R2s when entering a race with tyre wear, and use R3 for those without tyre wear.

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Toyota Supra RZ 97'




616bhp

Mods...
Weight Reduction 1
Racing Brakes
Brake Controller
Triple-Plate Clutch
Carbon Driveshaft
Full Customise Transmission
Full Customise LSD
R2 Tyres (For Family Cup, R3s for Practice and time trials)
Turbo Stage 3 (TOM's)
Sports Intercooler
Sports ECU
Engine Balancing
Port/Polish
Oil Change
No Driving Aids
Refresher Plan


Settings...
Brakes: 4/4
Suspension: 16/8
Ride Height: 115/115
Damper: 7/7
Camber angle: 2.5/1.0
Toe-in/out: -2/1
Stabiliser: 4/4
LSD: 55/45/20
Transmission: Leave final gear as 3.700. Then, set auto gear to 17. From there, set the gears as it is...
1st-3.000
2nd-1.930
3rd-1.375
4th-1.045
5th-0.815
6th-0.600

Top Speed - Around 350kmh to 360kmh (Tested at La Sarthe)
Times - Special Stage Route 5 (Family Cup, Difficulty 10) - 2'59'xxx

NOTE: Use R2s when entering a race with tyre wear, and use R3 for those without tyre wear.


Next car coming up....

Honda NSX Type S 2001'
485bhp
Timing currently...
Special Stage Route 5 (Family Cup, Difficulty 10) - 2'55'xxx

This post has been edited by outlaw-2 on Mar 26 2007, 10:56 PM

A tribute to Sweeper's GT-R




Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 2000'

500bhp

Mods...
Weight Reduction 3
Racing Flywheel
Racing Brakes
Brake Controller
Triple-Plate Clutch
Carbon Driveshaft
Full Customise Transmission
S3 Tyres
Turbo Stage 2 (Nismo)
Sports Intercooler
Semi-Racing Exhaust
Sports ECU
Engine Balancing
Port/Polish
Oil Change
No Driving Aids



Settings...
Brakes: 4/4
Suspension: 12/10
Ride Height: 105/115
Damper: 8/8
Camber angle: 2.5/1.0
Toe-in/out: -1/2
Stabiliser: 6/6
Transmission: Set final to 2.855, then auto slider to 13

Top Speed: 280kmh

Finally got the Evo and Celica, on the same day too, so here's the review

The Evo, to be honest, was a piece of junk, it wouldn't let me do anything in the corners, i wanna give it some gas and fly out of the corner like a bat of hell, and the stupid thing freaks out on me, goes completly straight so i have to let off the gas, and then snaps back like its on rails, only good thing is its braking is quite strong, but that may be because i got one of the 5's w/ the Brembo sticker on it, anyways im sorry but i know how Evo's are supposed to handle, and its not like this one

With that rant out of the way, Lets talk about what i think is the best car out of the battalion by you

The GT-Four Celica

Now this, this thing is nice, really nice, and good looking in red to boot, it actually cornered better than the subaru (gods forgive me) but this car is excellent, the brakes are solid, it sounded great despite GT's weird sounds (Some cars pure secks, others just crap), it actually was fine through the intrance and apex's of the corners, only bad thing is it had some under-steer on exit, but that can be fixed

This thing has actually impressed me so much, that when i get time monday, im gonna strip it down and build it back up my way and see what she's really got, i can't wait

Finally... here it is...

Angel R Battalion




Car: Nissan Skyline GTR 89'

736bhp

Mods...
NO DRIVING AIDS
All weight reductions
Original Suspension (By mine's)
Racing Brakes
Brake Controller
Racing Flywheel
Triple-Plate Clutch
Carbon Driveshaft
Full Customise Transmission
R2 Tyres
Original Turbo (By Mine's)
Racing Intercooler
Racing Exhaust
Sports ECU
Engine Balancing
Port/Polish
Displacement UP
Oil Change
Refresher Plan
Nismo wheels from the Nismo Z-tune
Any straight type rear spoiler

Settings...
Brakes: 6/6
Suspension: 13/12
Ride Height: 85/85 OR 81/85
Damper: 8/8
Camber angle: 2.5/1.3
Toe-in/out: -2/2
Stabiliser: 6/6
Transmission: Final Gear as 2.500, auto slider to 25. Then insert the gear settings...
1st- 4.600
2nd- 2.900
3rd- 2.000
4th- 1.500
5th- 1.150
6th- 0.950
Downforce: 6/6


Tested...
Tsukuba Circuit- 53'420
Top Speed: 355kmh (If I were to strain the car even more, it hits 360kmh)

This post has been edited by outlaw-2 on Apr 9 2007, 03:36 AM

on the settings for the angel R....

what about the aids?(driving aids)

(btw tested w/ no aids....first lap on tsu=57'114.....lol my driving skills= scarse)

edit 2: 55'504...its a bit wobb'y out of corners and if you get wobb'y on a straight it can get as unstabe as a crazy guy without his meds in a hurry. but its very stabe in the corners.....btw i'm useing ds2 so thats brobly where the unstableness came from >_>

This post has been edited by \\ayumu-kasuga// on Apr 8 2007, 02:14 PM

Eh? Odd, I'm using DS2 myself. o.o; Usually on the exit of corners, I do a simple 'two taps on gas then full gas'. As for the unstable on the straights.. I haven't expereince it, this is the first time I heard it. I'll go look into it.

And it seems no one has freaked out that I'm using the very first R32... 1989 model. XD

well i'm one of those pepole that coner like so....

wait for it....BRAKE!!!!!out-in-outGOGOGOGO!!!!

I kill tires XD

also i used the '91 N1 because it was wite and fits the name better


the '89 for sale was maroon :X

Lol, but still I recommend getting the 1989 model. Colours of white, silver and black are best suited. For me, the 1989 model is like the GTR in its raw form; not much computers, more on basics. In fact, this by far the only R32 that can induce some power-over action. The rest... no.

well i'll have to wait till a white one comes in....

till then....more cars to reveiw! *bonks head on way out* dang it.....


edit: hey i'm a "senior" member! i get discounts now ......right?

This post has been edited by \\ayumu-kasuga// on Apr 8 2007, 07:49 PM

lol outlaw, I was first to post up a '89 (my tribute to the Group A legends) I need to test out your settings and see how I can improve the braking power of my Skyline.

It's simple actually. Just bump up settings to around 6 or 7 on the brake controller. From there, you're safe.

I've tested the angel R on tsukuba.

let's see.. I did reach 0'53.7 with it while going sideways in most corners, so it indeed does like to kick the tail out due overwhelming the rear traction. however, the wanted or unwanted lack of traction makes quick exits bit tricky.

The suspension is VERY stiff, and hitting the curbs made the car bounce and few times it led to losing the control. Understeer did raise it's ugly head few times as well, since the stiff suspension didn't absorb the forces. The brakes didn't give too much reason to trust on them either so I usually used them to slow down enough so it would be safe to kick the tail out either with power or handbrake.

I didn't test the top speed, but the low downforce and wide gearing are pretty good sign of proper, quick car for straights.

you've probably beeen after wangan setup, thus, in that kind of races this setup works. but for tighter tracs with corners, bumps etc.. unfortunately not without exhausting yourself while driving it.

Watch out, Aerlin 2007 RX-8 Race Car, and Nismo's Mazda RX7 Spirit R Type A '02 !

FC3S Battalion




Car: Mazda RX-7 Infini III (FC) 90'

421bhp

Mods...
Full Customise LSD
NO DRIVING AIDS
All weight reductions
Original Suspension (By RE)
Racing Brakes
Brake Controller
Racing Flywheel
Triple-Plate Clutch
Carbon Driveshaft
Full Customise Transmission
R3 Tyres (For endurance, use R2s)
Original Turbo (By RE)
Racing Intercooler
Racing Exhaust
Sports ECU
Engine Balancing
Port/Polish
Oil Change
Refresher Plan
Any straight type rear spoiler

Settings...
Brakes: 6/4
Suspension: 10/9
Ride Height: 125/125
Damper: 8/8
Camber angle: 2.5/1.3
Toe-in/out: -2/3
Stabiliser: 6/6
Transmission: Final Gear as defalult, auto slider to 12(Or according to track. 12 is used in El Capitan)
Downforce: 30/30
LSD: 11/36/26


Tested...
El Capitan (R3s) : 1'39'560

This car is made to be of Track use.

This post has been edited by outlaw-2 on Apr 9 2007, 10:24 AM

yay! test time!

no! not a infini in sight!

T_T

i'll post reveiw when i find one

hey will a gt-x work? i got lots of em?

Ok tested Angel for ya.

*Tuned for Wangan, nice set-up for it. I like the power and you can have fun with the tail.
*I don't think the brake balance number makes a difference on how strong the brakes are. I think its just to have a wide range on difference between the brake distribution (I have to clear with other drivers).
*There is understeer, but I use a controller so I don't know how it handles with a wheel. I don't think the suspension holds the power down enough.
*I think a higher downforce setting can help it because highspeed corners are hard to get around with that much speed, I found myself braking really early for the last turn on Tsu.
*I got a 53'420 at Tsukuba with this set-up and my Tribute GT-R (with 200 less horses) got a 54.802. I think my GT-R is slightly easier to handle at Tsukuba because of the lower power.

So all in all it's a fast highway car but doesn't belong to tracks that I find myself driving in alot. I'm more into control and low power so this is a 5/10 from me. (I don't drive many 4WDs so you shouldn't really take this taht seriously)

Bad news, the Berserker R... is gone. It had its days, ripping through the track, especially De la Sarthe, topping 420kmh(slipstreaming) at its prime, beating the hell out of the VW W12 and Cadillac Cien (Its sworn enemies) and tagging with the Tommykaira ZII and Honda NSX-R Road-Going (Its allies). Hence, in it's final days of its journey, the power has been dropped to 600bhp from its prime 911bhp before the demise of its engine dropped it to 900bhp, a sign of lost power. Hence forth, here are its final moments before its departure from its home track; SSR5






Its legacy shall go on, that is, if there's one, by the name of Avenge R

from 900 to 600? damn, I feel sorry for that poor car..

Yeah, seems so. However, the good news is, 'its' coming. Yep, the Avenger R is coming, in fact earlier than I had expected. And this would be the dark horse of the R-series. You can guess what GTR I'm using already.

I've tested Schizo-Vette C5, its gripping power is smooth like a jazz music. Schizo-Vette is recommended for grip racing. Tested at SSR5, its best time on AT Transmission is: 1'25.272.

Cars coming up....


-Skyline Battalion Rally Car (355bhp)
-Avenge R [BCNR33] (755bhp)
-Berserker R Lite (600bhp)