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Posted by: Takumi Trueno Feb 20 2016, 12:00 AM

Hey guys, its been a long time.

I want to start my own vlog. I dont have a lot of knowledge in the camera department. I want to upload at the very highest quality. I'm planning to use just my iPhone 6s. Can someone help give me some pointers? Such as how to upload and keep the high quality?

Posted by: APX Feb 20 2016, 12:17 AM

Most 'reactors/vloggers' use either the typical sony handycam or whatever it's called for their stuff, while others use a typical camera to record their vlogging and etc.

Maybe test the iphone out in a test video and then if you have a camera (later on they use the higher priced cameras, but some still use the under 100-200 cameras and it still looks great) try that as well.

But I hardly watch any of those videos anymore, but I do believe they also post videos of their setups to help others out.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 20 2016, 02:12 AM

The camera in your iPhone is a hell of a lot better than a lot of cameras, including any webcam you could be looking at. While the webcam gives you the freedom of recording directly to your computer--or streaming directly from your computer--the iPhone will be much higher quality.

In addition, there are live-streaming apps for iPhone if you ever wanted to do it. If you just want to record, the normal camera app does a fine job. Oh, but you'll probably want to look into a microphone setup if you're serious. Fortunately I've been poking at using my iPhone as a broadcast studio for many years now, so here's a resource for microphones:

http://www.jeffgeerling.com/articles/photography/iphone-4-ipad-external-mic-audio-input

Enjoy!

Posted by: xiao Feb 20 2016, 02:35 AM

WB mang.

I've been meaning to upgrade cameras for quite a while too, for the time being I'm just using my HTC M9 for random karaoke/vlogging, etc. But if you wanna get a good source of raw video, the usual SonyCam like APX mentioned works wonders as a starter camera. I'd recommend getting a 4k as far as resolution goes... last time I checked it should be around 500 USD approx. Pear can probably chime in on this as well, since photographic and video camera theory are quite alike. And an external mic and a tripod/mount, like Nomake mentioned, wouldn't hurt in the long run either even if it's just a phone.

Going back to the raw source bit. I have no clue how to use video editing software like Premiere, After Effects, Vegas, or even VirtualDub. All my experience is with Movie Maker. That said, even for simple vlogging, post production goes a long way.

A bit on a tangent but... people always tell me: Get a condenser microphone, and sound-isolate your walls, and buy a super high-end audio interface! etc etc ...none of that junk woks except to provide a good source of raw audio. Professional sound engineers like Codenotti can make zombies sound like a choir of angels.

Equipment settings and post-production are what makes a song sound good. The same logic applies to videos, I think. It's all about post-production. I'd recommend getting familiar with a good video editing program like Premiere/After Effects, or Vegas... although if you're feeling super lazy like me; a classy editing job through Movie Maker will do in a pinch, lol.

Start making YouTubes and you'll get the nack of it pretty quick, find out what works and what doesn't as for raw video from your phone, and what cool editing tricks will make your video look professional, even if it's just for reviewing stuff or sharing your thoughts. YT is chock full of video editing software tutorials too. I had to do a system update on my android to fix the camera frame rate; update iOS if you experience any lag. =D

Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 20 2016, 11:54 AM

QUOTE (xiao @ 9 hours, 19 minutes ago)

I'd recommend getting a 4k as far as resolution goes... last time I checked it should be around 500 USD approx.

Firstly, the 6s shoots in 4K, so there's no need to spend gobs of cash. Secondly, if you're going to be vlogging on YouTube, it might actually be better to shoot in 1080p@60 rather than 4K@30. The heck do you actually need 4K for? Not to mention if you wanna throw effects in, starting with a higher framerate helps.

As for software, VirtualDub is not how you should do editing. It's not that you can't, it's just that it wasn't designed for that. In addition, the current version of movie maker is pretty much garbage. It was always a sub-par program, but for a little while it had some nice features. Now it's back to being cumbersome in its over-simplification. Not recommended. Go with something decent like Premiere or Vegas if you're planning on doing post-production.

iOS hasn't had any camera issues that are fixed by software updates, so no worries there!

Posted by: xiao Feb 20 2016, 01:35 PM

QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 1 hour, 40 minutes ago)

1080p@60

THIS!! I'm an idiot; 60fps is crucial no matter what rezzy you're shooting at. You want a nice flowing crisp image as opposed to a big wonky one. Crap I gotta change my phones frame rate too! XD

Posted by: Sensation! Feb 20 2016, 02:41 PM

QUOTE (Takumi Trueno @ Today, 1:00 AM)

Can someone help give me some pointers?

Learning how to frame shots and improving elements beyond what the technical equipment can offer you is the most important.

You can make your content on a potato, but if it's well produced, you get views. The effort would certainly make it worth my view.
The best vloggers in my opinion are the ones who are extremely knowledge and well versed in their subject but also know the importance of artistic composition.

It makes for a pleasant viewing experience and keeps people wanting more.

That's probably the most important advice.

As for 4k@30 vs 1080p@60
It really depends on the content, there is no defined formula.
If it's you sitting in a room talking for 7 minutes, it doesn't matter.

If you're doing macros, close ups, tons of B-rolls; 4k@30 is your bet. The resolution helps you drive home the idea of detail, after all, that's what these close shots are for.

If the content involves action and movement of the subject; without a doubt, you want 1080@60. The smooth motion that 60fps will offer is the essence of your content, resolution plays no big part if the content is motion.

Agreed with the pro software.

As for the audio, Blue makes great starter mics. You want a pop a filter to reduce noises generated by words with harsh breath use, such as 'poor'. Noise cancelling foam is a good idea, but not totally necessary. A quick read will teach you to place your mic in an area with low reverb, and if worse comes to worse, you can filter out reverb with an editing program.

More advanced, you're looking at XLR mics connected to an interface (such as a scarlett), mounted on a shock mount, mounted on a boom.

But really, tech and gear is 2nd fiddle to content and production.

Posted by: Takumi Trueno Feb 20 2016, 11:31 PM

Would you guys mind looking at some videos I am uploading. I feel like the quality is lacking in comparison to other peoples videos shot on an iPhone. Here is my page. Im trying to fine tune things before I really start filming what i want to film.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiSnHSK1PBPamxnkrpKNyuw

Thanks for the help guys. I know its been a long time and Ill have a lot of updates for everyone.

Posted by: Sensation! Feb 21 2016, 12:32 AM

EDIT: I figure i should critique before my suggestions.

The video is quite shakey. You'd benefit from a gimbal as it'll make your pans and sweeps smooth as butter.

The audio is not good either, but its as expected from the iphone.

If you're just trying to vlog, honestly, it's fine. If you're trying to get up to the next level, here's some 'cheap' suggestions.

If you're willing to plunk down the money, http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Configured+for_Smartphones&ci=28767&N=3717223530+3738443539

As to what it does, it's something like this. The same technology used in TV guided missiles, literally in the palm of your hand!

YOUTUBE ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsAnmzMxRuc )

For on scene audio, http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=zoom+recorder&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=

I have experience with the H5. It's a neat recorder that also accepts XLR and TRS mics.
If you load a mic onto it with a windsock, you can get some pretty nice results.

YOUTUBE ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQowYtEB5sE )

I believe this video was done mostly with a DSLR and a H5 and a battery powered rode mic in a windsock attached to it.

EDIT 2: also, you should join us at AX again.

Posted by: xiao Feb 21 2016, 12:47 AM

I wholeheartedly agree, the best days are when cops are off scarfing donuts at Kripy Kreme~

Borrow a gimbal, a DSLR, and a SonyCam. Shoot everything at 1080p@60fps; then compare each raw video with your iPhone's footage.

You won't know what you're looking for until you do a concrete comparison with video shot on other devices.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 21 2016, 01:31 AM

I thought it went without saying, but yeah, if you're gonna use a 6S then put it on a stand or get a steadycam/gimbal of some sort. Don't try to hold it in your hand. The 6+/6S+ have optical image stabilization which helps a ton (SEE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RjoKiCddQo), but if I were going to be using it as a self-cam constantly I'd want a stand of some sort.

Posted by: xiao Feb 21 2016, 01:32 PM

Here's some info comparing a DSLR vs an iPhone; might be of help, especially the optical sensors bit~

YOUTUBE ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beCdyfgSfJM )

Edit: Holy moly, I just saw Nomake's airplane video; it's fricking beautiful... 1080p@60fps is where it's at! I gotta learn how to change this jiggamaphone HTC to 60fps, what a difference!!~

Posted by: Takumi Trueno Feb 21 2016, 02:39 PM

Im already looking at getting a Gimbal or something very close to it. Ive been watching videos on staging things properly. I already bought a mic since I mac those videos.

The question I am wondering, is why does the quality from my phone look worse than other peoples videos uploaded from an iPhone?

What am I doing wrong. I did record at 1080p@60fps.

Also would you guys mind linking the cameras you keep referring to?

Maybe I need to change the idea that I should do this with an iPhone. Maybe I should get a DSLR.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 21 2016, 04:56 PM

How were you doing the upload? The YouTube app may be restricting your bitrate if you did it from that while not on wifi. Another reason why jail breaking is awesome--you can fool apps into thinking you're on wifi and bypass those restrictions.

There's nothing wrong with using your phone to record. Worst case, save the video to your computer and upload that way.

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Posted by: xiao Feb 21 2016, 06:45 PM

Woah, this topic's actually been quite helpful to me as well. I shot a video at 60fps... what a difference frame rate makes!!

YOUTUBE ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX0pV-MveCs )

Here's the actual file:

https://mega.nz/#!UE0wyLpT!X5cjSMG1mK6leABRaTlo86q6Be0-QbjZh76DgafTx3w (´･ω･`) ♪

@ Ale~san: What video editing program are you using? I had to change the dumb Movie Maker settings to match the bitrate and frame rate of the raw video, since Movie Maker automatically plops everything at 29fps... XD I'm in the process of ~~downloading~~ obtaining Vegas; hopefully that'll give me more freedom to play around with the settings, plus cool effects as well.

Posted by: Takumi Trueno Feb 21 2016, 08:26 PM

Your video came up as really choppy. It was weird.

And I am not using any editing programs. Im taking the footage from my iphones folder and uploading the video to youtube from my computer.

Posted by: xiao Feb 21 2016, 08:36 PM

Hrmm... can you right-click on the video file and check the properties/details to confirm the file has a frame rate of 60fps? My apologies I'm not familiar with Macs. XD

This is how it looks in Windows:

user posted image

Maybe it has to do something with configuring YouTube's settings

Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 22 2016, 07:29 AM

QUOTE (Takumi Trueno @ Yesterday, 9:26 PM)

Your video came up as really choppy. It was weird.

And I am not using any editing programs. Im taking the footage from my iphones folder and uploading the video to youtube from my computer.

His video played perfectly fine on my end. If it played choppy on your computer, perhaps your computer is a potato? What browser are you using? What are your computer's specs?

Posted by: Kiroshino Feb 22 2016, 08:51 AM

Viewed it on two computers at 1080p on Chrome. On my work desktop, it was choppy and played weird. On my laptop, not as much. Could be a variety of things.

The autofocus and ISO setting was a little distracting, but that's to be expected.

xiao + neko...

Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 22 2016, 10:58 AM

Pop open the resource monitor while playing the video. His video is 1080p at 60fps, which is a pretty high bitrate. So you could be maxing out something on your box. Again, potato.

Funny enough, your iPhone should play it perfectly.

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Posted by: Kiroshino Feb 22 2016, 11:16 AM

Haha, you were right. Somehow, it maxes out the i5-4570. Looks like all of the Bromium crap on my workstation freaks out with YouTube.

Posted by: xiao Feb 22 2016, 12:09 PM

I can see there's some parts in the video that may come up as a bit skippy, particularly towards the beginning, but I think that has to do more with my phone's RAM... maybe cause it's the 1st time filming at 60fps me thinks? Also the artistic merit of the video isn't optimal, there's lots of shakiness; that's where Nomake's iPhone excels with the Image Stabilization feature, since the HTC doesn't have anything similar... but I think a gimbal would solve that.

That's pretty weird that the videos aren't showing up as 1080p60 on his YouTube account... the YouTube processing to get them to 1080p60 shouldn't take more than 5 minutes after initially uploading the videos. How do you check a video-file's properties/details on Macs? Anyone's got screenshots? Cause if the file itself doesn't have 60fps on its properties; that's the reason YT isn't displaying them at 1080p@60fps.

Alex, do you have the original raw file that you uploaded to YouTube? Upload the original file to Mega.nz or Sendspace so we can open the properties/details dialogue in Windows and see if it has 60 frames per second on Windows as well?

@ Kiro: You're the nekoman now dog! XD

Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 22 2016, 01:48 PM

QUOTE (Kiroshino @ 2 hours, 31 minutes ago)

Haha, you were right. Somehow, it maxes out the i5-4570. Looks like all of the Bromium crap on my workstation freaks out with YouTube.

An i5 shouldn't be maxed out by playing 1080p@60 video, ever. Something's up with your machine, definitely. I'm not sure what it is, but I'd start by grabbing https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=35 and making sure your DirectX extensions are all current. If you've never done it, chances are you're out of date by an entire decade. Neither OEMs nor Microsoft ever update these, so if you haven't done it manually...well, there's your problem.

Chrome should update itself automatically, so that shouldn't be the issue. Make sure your graphics driver is up to date as well. If you don't have dedicated graphics the i5 still has an Intel HD chipset, so you'd want to make sure that's updated.

Posted by: Sensation! Feb 22 2016, 02:59 PM

QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 1 hour, 11 minutes ago)

before doing any of that, check your power plan settings.
if its on balanced, turn it to high performance.

There's certain times when the balanced power setting makes your processor quite lazy on certain applications due to speedstep. Its actually quite rare, but certain applications might be taking priority (ie bromine) that might be causing it. Setting it to high performance doesnt disable speedstep entirely, it'll still idle at a lower speed and lower voltage, but it'll just skip every frequency between it and max (turbo) frequency.

A similar thing happens to me when I'm playing MMO's on my 5820k.
The processor doesnt feel like running over 1.5ghz when playing said mmo, and it does so just fine, that is until you meet another group of players.

What happens is there's all of a sudden a huge amount of requests going into the processor about creating x amount of players and placing them into a cell that needs to be created, as well as telling the GPU it needs to create x amount of geometry.

So as the instructions trickle slowly into my CPU, it sees it as being fine at 1.5ghz, but when bombarded with an increase in instructions, the CPU ramps itself up to 2.0ghz, thinking it'll be able to handle to handle it, then BOOM! a huge load of instructions hits the 2.0ghz processor, and it bottlenecks until windows tells the processor to go full steam ahead.

There's another instance in another game where if you leave vsync on, the processor feels just fine never going over 1.5ghz, but in that instance, it ends up choking the GPU.

Speedstep + the default Balanced power settings is great, and the instances that in which is flubs is rare. But none the less, it can happen, and its worth a quick check to see if that's what's causing your stutters before diving into it in detail.

EDIT: oh wait, the i5 is getting maxed out..as in 100% load and not 'its maxed out at 20% load and wont go higher!'

Right, yeah go ahead and update your drivers and direct X libraries, somethings up. Though see if ticking it to high performance will help anyway.

Posted by: xiao Feb 22 2016, 08:54 PM

Here's some raw footage at 60fps without post production I shot today. I can't really tell the difference between the encoding in Movie Maker and the output of the cellphone. While I think the larger optical sensor in a high-end DSLR might cut down the lag and exalt little nuances. I think the money shot's always gonna be in getting that frame rate to look as crisp and smooth as a video game, even for small 5 minute vlogs.

YOUTUBE ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlG9oyTxPgM )

Here's the original file:

https://mega.nz/#!oZ1RzBhY!RxFhYZ1jYUPIMR41JRVxtQ10PQ3LYUMqU2ayOqTJH7w (￣▽￣);

Totally unrelated to the topic but... I think I made it a little too obvious; should've gone with C1-RN0 instead.

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Edit:

user posted image

*throws up* user posted image

It's like I've been drinking motor oil my entire life, and I've gotten so used to the viscosity that I never knew crystal pure water even existed~!!

How can people even subtitle/sell a Blu-ray disc at such archaic frame rates!?!? It's like using a CRT @ 800x600 for watching The Force Awakens.

This epiphany is truly making baby Yoda cry.

--- ---

Furthermore:

Trailer @ 60fps:

YOUTUBE ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE4t9iBq_9E )

Trailer @ 30fps:

YOUTUBE ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOVFvcNfvE )

The difference is resounding!!

Posted by: Sensation! Feb 22 2016, 09:32 PM

The film industry finds 24fps to be the most natural for our eyes.

I have no idea how they came to that conclusion.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 22 2016, 09:37 PM

Xiao you idiot, blurays are 24FPS. I guarantee you that frame rate is actually 23.976 if you use mediainfo to check instead of shitty Windows.

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Posted by: xiao Feb 22 2016, 10:08 PM

Now I want my anime/Star Wars/TV shows at 100 frames per second GODDAMMIT!!!1

YOUTUBE ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQxUu6YqyuE )

YOUTUBE ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZzTpjh-NsQ )

XD!!

Posted by: Takumi Trueno Feb 22 2016, 11:55 PM

So I checked the raw file from my camera. It turns out the videos were 1080p but in 30fps. Thats odd since it says it was filming in 60fps.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 23 2016, 12:14 AM

Well then there's your problem, yeah. Dunno what to tell ya other than make sure the setting in Settings->Photos&Camera->Record Video is correct and then go shoot a new test file. Do you have enough free space on the phone to record 1080@60?

Posted by: xiao Feb 23 2016, 12:23 AM

QUOTE (Takumi Trueno)

So I checked the raw file from my camera. It turns out the videos were 1080p but in 30fps. Thats odd since it says it was filming in 60fps.

Do a system update on the phone, then like N1 mentioned, manually set the settings to record at 60fps... hopefully that'll solve any hiccup it might of had!

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Also relevant to the thread, especially for us not very savy into the PC gaming world like Falberu and Sushi... these videos might be of interest:
(Don't view them on the embedded player, go to the actual YouTube page)

120 frames per second - click 1080p60 then set the video speed X2:

YOUTUBE ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1HaLYMHXtM )

60fps vs 30fps:

YOUTUBE ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKcB-an2eiM )

Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 23 2016, 09:29 AM

God dammit Xiao this is an iPhone not a shitty Android. 'System Update' isn't the answer. I bet he's already up to date anyway.

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Posted by: xiao Feb 23 2016, 11:35 PM

QUOTE (Nomake Wan)

God dammit Xiao this is an iPhone not a shitty Android. 'System Update' isn't the answer. I bet he's already up to date anyway.

Actually the answer for fixing any Android is using it as a coaster as it's original purpose it was intended for.

I gotta go to BestButt & try out the iPhone... I might actually like it if it doesn't lag to high hell like my 600 dollar HTC brick.

In a nut-shell what's the difference between the regular 6 and the Plus you have, any difference in speed, CPU, RAM, camera quality/lag?? Or is it just a size in inches and memory storage difference? Should I just wait for the 7?

According to Samsung reps at BurstBuy, the S7 Edge is leaps and bounds above my M9... so I'm currently shopping around... wanna try out a Canon DSLR as well; nothing beats the large sensor of a pro-cam after all, but yeps, it's about that time I start shopping around for a new phone~

Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 24 2016, 01:09 AM

QUOTE (xiao @ 1 hour, 33 minutes ago)

In a nut-shell what's the difference between the regular 6 and the Plus you have, any difference in speed, CPU, RAM, camera quality/lag?? Or is it just a size in inches and memory storage difference? Should I just wait for the 7?

Between the 6S/6S+ the only difference is screen size, screen resolution, and that the main camera has optical image stabilization. Well and of course the battery due to the size. Everything else is identical.

You can wait for the 7 if you want. I'm on an upgrade plan so basically I just get the newest whenever.

Posted by: xiao Feb 24 2016, 02:34 AM

QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 1 hour, 24 minutes ago)

Will go to BB tomorrow and tinker with the Plus just to get the feel of what I'm in for... if I like it compared to Android, I'll wait for the 7. Also need to test out Windooze Phone's OS... though according to every tech blog, it's just Android except unnecessarily complicated? xD

7 looks promising~

Posted by: Takumi Trueno Feb 25 2016, 11:31 PM

Thanks for the help guys, maybe I need to look into getting a DSLR or camcorder.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 26 2016, 08:13 AM

Equipment is not the answer if you haven't even started. You have plenty decent equipment at your disposal already. Don't spend several hundred dollars on equipment before you have any performance technique down. Figure out what you're going to vlog about. Figure out how you're going to do it, as in what your personality is going to be and how you're going to segment things (if you are).

I'd say you have a lot of thinking to do in terms of your acting and what the show is actually going to be about waaaaaay before it comes time to purchase new hardware. Do cinematography with what you've got. Get your techniques down. If after you've got your personality pat and your editing down you still think you're missing something, then pour more research into hardware and consider dropping money. Not before.

But hey, that's just my opinion, man.

Posted by: Sensation! Feb 26 2016, 09:09 AM

QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 56 minutes, 14 seconds ago)

This.
Seriously take this advice.

No point in buying expensive equipment if you lack the skills. See my original post.
Not to mention, you lack the software for post processing too. Good equipment alone isn't going to get you to topple 100k+ followers consistently.

Posted by: xiao Feb 26 2016, 11:13 AM

QUOTE (Sensation! @ 2 hours, 3 minutes ago)

And speaking of software, here's a comparison video I found really useful:

YOUTUBE ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHHEQMdJdiA )

Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 26 2016, 01:02 PM

That's just Adobe-film-production-product versus Adobe-effects-production-product. How about a video that actually goes over different choices for tools. Such as...you know, products not made by Adobe?

Posted by: xiao Feb 26 2016, 01:20 PM

QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 16 minutes, 14 seconds ago)

True dat, I really hate Adoobie and their overpriced ones & zeroes... although there ain't much difference between Premiere & Vegas 'sides the price tho~

YOUTUBE ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuQKJNFoEko )

Posted by: Takumi Trueno Feb 27 2016, 11:04 AM

Dont worry guys I am seriously taking your advice.
Maybe ill see what I can do with my iPhone 6s and work from there, but I eventually want to do night shoots which I know I just cant do with any camera. But thats for later I suppose.

Posted by: xiao Feb 27 2016, 11:15 AM

QUOTE (Takumi Trueno @ 10 minutes, 48 seconds ago)

Keep us posted man~ NorCal has uber-lots of magical-jigowatts. I've only been to SF and Sacramento, but I hear Palo, San Jose, and pretty much every place has it's little spots. If you ever head close to the ocean, I'd love to see the 86 near the bay~ <3

Posted by: Sensation! Feb 27 2016, 12:55 PM

QUOTE (Takumi Trueno @ 1 hour, 50 minutes ago)

but I eventually want to do night shoots which I know I just cant do with any camera. But thats for later I suppose.

That's scary stuff indeed.
I think even my boss would be afraid of what that would entail.

In fact, even Hollywood filmakers are afraid of the dark haha, that's why they have those nighttime filters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_for_night

That said, some people can do it without editing tricks. Just need the right area and the right set of skills + equipment, it's certainly way above what an amateur like me would be able to do.