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cornering specialist | Posted: Jan 29 2003, 11:59 AM |
Unregistered | i dont understand keisuke asking his brother after hearing the bang bang sounding lancer of what it was. didnt he have it after all too? i see that yellow mazda couple of times spewing fire from the exhaust ! or was i wrong? |
mr2drifter | Posted: Jan 29 2003, 01:15 PM |
IDW Regular Member Group: Members Posts: 232 Member No.: 201 Joined: Jan 22nd 2003 Location: Great Falls | That was merely backfire from his exhaust. Backfire happens when you have too much fuel going into the engine. Keisuke's car is amazing. However a misfiring system is nice, but it is bad for the engine. Every 500-1000 km, they have to have the motor rebuilt. The Anti-Lag system is nice if ur doing rally, but bad for canyon carving. |
Gearhead | Posted: Jan 29 2003, 01:45 PM |
IDW Prime Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 895 Member No.: 211 Joined: Jan 25th 2003 Location: Texas | Yeah, that was just unburnt fuel being ignited in the exhaust. Rotaries in general tend to run hot. I read about one FD where the exhaust was so hot, it set the grass where it was parked on fire. People thought the car was on fire.lol |
karasac | Posted: Jan 29 2003, 04:00 PM |
Rotary Disciple Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,209 Member No.: 11 Joined: Aug 28th 2002 Location: Chino Hills, California | ya, what those guys said |
Tai-Mai-Shu | Posted: Jan 29 2003, 04:24 PM |
IDW Regular Member Group: Members Posts: 247 Member No.: 187 Joined: Jan 13th 2003 Location: Update Profile | the misfiring system is there to save power loss from the turbo lag when coming out of a turn. Kyouchi (whoever that guy is) that drives the black EVO 3 has it because turbo doesn't need time to spool up when you exit the corner after a drift from loss of speed. I THINK this is the reason considering what i learned. Rally racers tend to use it often and the RX-7 really doesn't need one. The RX-7 has twin turbos so it doesn't lag much. Plz , plz correct me if i'm wrong, i also have my doubts on what it is. But as what others said, it's drawback is that it kills your system. Cars never last long with it, probubaly at max 500-1000km. They were only meant for competitive racing, so thats why everyone was so suprised at the fact that he got his hands on a misfiring system in the series. |
blue_devil | Posted: Jan 29 2003, 04:59 PM |
IDW Banned Member Group: Banned Posts: 10 Member No.: 139 Joined: Dec 10th 2002 Location: Update Profile | Uhhhh.... twin turbos create more lag. That's why many owners of twin turbo vehicle switch to a single turbo setup. |
S13 Driver | Posted: Jan 29 2003, 06:30 PM | ||
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Two smaller turbos have less lag than a single big turbo.... | ||
mr2drifter | Posted: Jan 29 2003, 08:30 PM |
IDW Regular Member Group: Members Posts: 232 Member No.: 201 Joined: Jan 22nd 2003 Location: Great Falls | Twin turbo actually has no or little lag. What happens is one of the turbos spool up, it then pushes the air through the engine. Then the second turbo is there to push the rest of the air through. It still has a slower response time when it comes to cornering, but the lag when accelerating isn't noticable. |
cornering specialist | Posted: Jan 29 2003, 10:18 PM |
Unregistered | well how many cars did have that spark like the rx-7 in the movie? of course not the lancer that truly had the misfiring system. i just dont remember. anyway, these discussions are very informative to me. |
mr2drifter | Posted: Jan 29 2003, 10:42 PM | ||||
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THE SW20 MR2. WHOO!
Ask Questions, we are here to help! | ||||
karasac | Posted: Jan 29 2003, 11:50 PM | ||
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people switch to single turbo because u can get more power out of a single turbo | ||
]{aya | Posted: Jan 30 2003, 07:33 AM | ||
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????, youre not well informed : twin turbo is one of the best solutions to virtually eliminate turbo lag ...in terms of equipment...it cost less then a misfiring system | ||
Tai-Mai-Shu | Posted: Jan 30 2003, 12:35 PM | ||
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well...take a look at this. Something the others might use to get power. The other sparks could either be excess heating, or this rev limiter. I dunno, maybe it's to look cool? I dunno, someone else help me with this information? Just cuz it has a spark doesn't mean it's a misfiring system. I know that. | ||
]{aya | Posted: Jan 30 2003, 01:20 PM |
Old HOT PINK Schmuck Group: Advanced Members Posts: 841 Member No.: 47 Joined: Oct 16th 2002 Location: Montréal, Québec | i pretty sure its backfire ...you can make it hapen by de-timing your exhaust so it accumulates "gas"...when its hot enough, it goes boom note: thats not so good for the exhaust system thought note 2 : Nakazato's skyline had backfire |
Initial Dick | Posted: Jan 30 2003, 01:42 PM |
IDW Expert Member Group: Members Posts: 101 Member No.: 171 Joined: Jan 8th 2003 Location: Where Kangaroos Live Free or Die | Agree with ]{aya here, it is more like backfire than anything else. My faulty memory also recalls that the misfiring system in Seiji's car has that rapid, consecutive bang-bang-bang sound, whilst on the other cars, you just get the 'whoosh' of flame. In my opinion, within the strict context of the anime, I think they just put it there because it looks (and sounds) cool and gives an impression that these are highly tuned street machines meaning business. |
mr2drifter | Posted: Jan 30 2003, 02:33 PM | ||
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Words taken out of my mouth. | ||
Sugoi Kuruma | Posted: Jan 31 2003, 06:50 AM |
IDW God Member Group: Members Posts: 175 Member No.: 168 Joined: Jan 3rd 2003 Location: Prospect, Adelaide, Australia, Earth | yes the other cars in initial d with flames coming out the back ARE BACKFIRING, same as the RX7 rotaries just tend to do it more than other cars, simply because rotary engines use so much fuel, and when its unburnt it goes BOOM, if theres enough of it i remember cruising in my friends RX2 (this one was a 12a non turbo, although he has a turbo one now) with his old exhaust, he used to get HUGE backfires, im talking massive, and coz the exhaust pointed towards the ground, when we cruised in the hills at night, u would see the flames spew out and hit the ground, it was awesome once he got his new exhaust though, it didnt pop as much (btw he got a new exhaust because he managed to POP a huge hole in the old one, lol, once he F**ked it, the sheer NOISE from the car was incredible!) was kewl though, once he got used to it he could do it on demand, was good for scaring old grannies, and chicks not too good around the cops though |
J4P RX | Posted: Jan 31 2003, 10:26 AM |
IDW Jr. Member Group: Members Posts: 60 Member No.: 132 Joined: Dec 7th 2002 Location: UK | Yeah, my FD pops and bangs all the time. Gets lots of attention Lee |
Jayson | Posted: Jan 31 2003, 12:58 PM |
IDW Posts A Freaking LOT Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 10,554 Member No.: 32 Joined: Sep 26th 2002 Location: Orlando, FL | A misfiring system becomes active when you take your foot of the gas. thats why you hear the 'bang bang' when he's entering a corner, he's taken his foot off the gas and is starting to slow down. The pressure from the back fire keeps the turbo spooled up, so when he jumps back on the gas there is no lag and he is close to, if not at max boost. I'm sure you guys know this, just wanted to let everyone know for those who didn't though. |
]{aya | Posted: Jan 31 2003, 01:58 PM |
Old HOT PINK Schmuck Group: Advanced Members Posts: 841 Member No.: 47 Joined: Oct 16th 2002 Location: Montréal, Québec | what jayson said ...but i feel that we are only repeating ourselves |
Jayson | Posted: Jan 31 2003, 11:06 PM |
IDW Posts A Freaking LOT Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 10,554 Member No.: 32 Joined: Sep 26th 2002 Location: Orlando, FL | What ]{aya said |