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> Style Change?, Shuichi Shigeno's art evolving?
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Posted: Jan 5 2012, 05:11 PM


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This has been bothering me for a while, but has anyone noticed the change in Shigeno's art style? To be more specific, there was a drastic change in the way characters were drawn before the end of Fourth Stage (Purple Shadow vs Project D) and the new material--that will be featured in Fifth Stage. I mean, of course one is allowed to improve as an artist over the years but I see this as a drastic change in style that happened in a short period of time.

Compare Keisuke:
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Compare Ryosuke:
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Ryosuke vs Takumi (terrible example, but you get my point):
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I personally believe that Shigeno has a unique style when it comes to drawing characters and I did notice over time that it changed. I don't know how to describe it exactly, but all the characters especially Keisuke and Ryosuke went from one side of the spectrum to the other. And what confuses me the most is that Takumi is starting to look like Ryosuke. I'm just wondering how this style change will affect the character design for Fifth Stage anime, if that ever gets announced...
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I agree with you, there. Early on, Shigeno's style was quite coarse, but it improved quite a bit after about vol. 7 (the characters looked similar to their designs in the First stage anime). But personally, I'm not a big fan of his latest style. It looks too..detailed.

On the other hand, he did do a good job in keeping Takumi the same style over the years.
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Posted: Jan 6 2012, 05:50 AM


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It's been 16 years. Yes, his style has changed dramatically.

I wish the designs had been like they are now back in 1998, then the characters in Stage 1 might have looked a lot better.

The chance between Baribari Densetu and Initial D is MUCH bigger, though.
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I've noticed this as well, for a while. I really think Shigeno has gotten worse over the years. I loved his earlier illustrations from Vol. 1-10, but after that, from 11-20(ish) it started following a strict, generic pattern of panels and art. This only got worse from 21-30(ish) and from about Vol. 30 on, it's been just as carbon-copy-like, only the art itself now seems very rough around the edges. I really don't like it. I much prefered the older art - it popped out of the pages, practically!

Anyway, if you really want to be blown away, read some volumes of Bari Bari Densetsu, his motorcycle-oriented series in the 1980s. cool.gif

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This has been bothering me for a while, but has anyone noticed the change in Shigeno's art style? To be more specific, there was a drastic change in the way characters were drawn before the end of Fourth Stage (Purple Shadow vs Project D) and the new material--that will be featured in Fifth Stage.


Exactly my thought. The hairstyles really changed dramatically after vol. 30 and I also struggle with recognizing Ryosuke and Takumi. But I like the fact that the work is evolving, and it still feels fresh, even after all those years. It's the same story with clothes, take Takahashi's outfits at the begginig and now...

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What was cool in 1995 isn't necessarily cool now.

Takuki and Ryosuke are really hard to tell apart now.
Maybe it's because Takumi has a man-crush on Ryosuke....heheh
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I've also noticed that Keisuke's hair went through like five or six different changes before Shigeno really decided on a style. I don't quite remember how it changed so dramatically, but I want to see all the different intermediates. pinch2.gif

QUOTE (Banken @ 3 hours, 32 minutes ago)
What was cool in 1995 isn't necessarily cool now.

According to the timeline in Initial D it's only been about a year or two since the start of the series right? So it's still the 1990's there, and I like the clothing styles that Shigeno draws, very classy! happy.gif
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It seems that whatever year Shigeno decided to set his manga in, he completely threw out the window. S2000s, 350Zs, R34s, Bunta's STi and most of the featured Mitsubishi Evos didn't exist during the better part of the 90's. laugh.gif If there is a year, it'd have to be at least 2003/2004.
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Duh, Inital D takes place in an alternate universe where street racing is a major sport with a large well-connected network and is not illegal*. Lol.

And no one ever totals there car or drives off a cliff.

And no one ever worries about buying tires, replacing clutches, and overhauling engines.

And no one ever wonders where Project D gets its funding.

And no regular driver EVER drives on touge at night, EVER. Not up or down. It's basically a closed course. This is actually the least realistic part... lol

You can't put an actual date on it. The 199X has pretty much been retconned to never be a specific year. For example, it doesn't state whether Ryousuke and Keisuke bought there cars used or new.

In V 44 a guy mentions how good cheap used sports cars are becoming rarer and rarer, which is true NOW but was not true in the 90s. More retcon.

*it's implied ONCE but never stated directly, and in Japan cops don't bother trying to catch racers, but the roads have anti drifting devices now, and the hours that racers actually race is much later than in ID (11 PM instead of 8 PM). Also, if someone put their shop name on a car they raced with, obviously they would eventually get busted.
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Oh yeah, cops will go and tell racers gathering at touge to go home, but they don't really go and catch racers.
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QUOTE (Banken @ 7 hours, 43 minutes ago)
What was cool in 1995 isn't necessarily cool now.

Yes, and my point is that it's the same story with hairstyles. Not to mention, it would look strange if the characters wore modern clothing and still had their original 1996's hairstyles.

By the way, it's really interesting to see all the classic characters in vol. 43. Despite the style change, some of them looks exactly the same as in early volumes (Mako, for example).
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Artists' styles always change. Ken Akamatsu's character designs for Negima even changed over all the chapters, so it would make sense that Shigeno's would too.
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I'm not saying that it's bad for Shigeno to change, I'm just confused that the sudden change in his style. Like after Purple Shadow vs Project D and moving into the material that isn't covered in the anime yet, there is a huge jump in the way that he illustrates the characters--it wasn't gradual, it was sudden. I'm wondering if Shigeno took a hiatus after he finished that arc of the story, because that would explain the sudden change in scenery. pinch2.gif


StephanCTR has a point, it's kinda freaky but Mako and Sayuki still look the same after all these years. Maybe women don't age in that universe! awesome.gif

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Initial D has taken place in less than a year, so of course they don't age...hehe
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I see it more like a natural evolution over the years.

But maybe Shigeno has changed his assistant(s) recently, that would explain the dramatic difference between the past and the current artwork.

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A friend of mine, a big manga/anime fan, took a look at the artwork both in the manga and the anime and he said that the characters looked rather ugly while in the later ones they look a lot nicer but not perfect.

Looking back and at nowadays, I actually agree with him. I think it's because the characters' faces look a little too "long" if you get my meaning. There faces look more natural except Sayuki's still looks too round. I do like how they look in recent volumes but I do agree about the dislike of the hairstyles, especially in Ryosuke's case. dry.gif

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Could we trouble someone with access to the manga to go through and post up the various changes over the years for (at least some) of the main characters in some rough form of chronological order? I dont have easy access to the manga and am curious to see all these changes
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QUOTE (sideways @ 49 minutes, 58 seconds ago)
Could we trouble someone with access to the manga to go through and post up the various changes over the years for (at least some) of the main characters in some rough form of chronological order? I dont have easy access to the manga and am curious to see all these changes

I've actually been looking into starting a timeline of all the character design changes that have taken place over the years. But sorting through 500+ chapters of manga is no easy task. I'll try my best to compile panels and timelines for all of the characters.
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This was rather quickly compiled, as in five minutes, but spans the majority of the series.

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At least takumi has stayed fairly consistent. Cant say im liking the more current rendition(s) however.
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Shoot, Tess beat me to the punch again. I'm still working on compiling pictures of all the other characters so it might take a few weeks for me to finish. And I've noticed that the change in Takumi's hair style is a little sudden. Or is it just me? pinch2.gif
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Am I the only one that thinks his drawings in general are getting worse? Maybe I'm just used to his old stuff. But it just seems like there's not enough detail in his work anymore.
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I've noticed that he's switched to a "safer" chicken scratch drawing style somewhere around the AE86 vs. AE86 Turbo race. I liked his soft style used in the earliest volumes.
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