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But that cars not meant to be driven.

Where it comes from, it drives you.

No, it's not the latest model. That model is out of production ( as a Lada anyways ), for at least 10 years now ( probably more ).

Their recent offerings are a bit better than that :


Lada Priora


Lada Kalina


Lada 110


The only one that looks old is the 4x4 ( the old Niva ), but that looks more purposeful than old ( at least in my eyes ).

I wouldn't mind the one you posted though, looks to be mint.

Wow, those cars are ugly. Keep them out of my country... though I wish we could do the same to the (U.S.-spec) Focus, Taurus and 95% of Chrysler's lineup.

Wow, someone actually decided to copy the last gen Ford Scorpio!

This post has been edited by d3v on May 17 2008, 10:28 AM

I'm glad I am not alone in thinking that.

they're more like Opels from 90's.. mostly like Kadett E, first gen astra and vectra etc.. AFAIK, they use old opel platforms and engines..

Heck the Lada looks even more like a Ford since the badge on the grille is a blue oval of sorts.

This post has been edited by d3v on May 17 2008, 09:36 PM

that's more like it, aside from the headlights..

Yay, a whole page of stuff unrelated to the Camaro.

FYI, Opel is GM, GM = chevy, thus, opels aren't unrelated..

Alright, I'll start posting about the Nissan Rogue in the GT-R thread

Wow... This thread got derailed quickly...

The name of the car itself already promotes a combination of irony and puns...

um, relevant to camaro, they are holding a second focus group right now.

http://www.chirpthird.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10958&page=1

Back to relevancy after my off-topic rant.

http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_cont...m8tZXhwb3NlZA--

article on the Camaro doing the 'ring without camo. It does it at around 9 minutes; not bad if you ask me.

It's good to see them not dropping the project.



I like the design and I love the headlamps.

This post has been edited by Turbo_Levin_13 on May 22 2008, 06:31 PM

Are you serious? I'd say that a time that is "around 9 minutes" is pretty terrible for what is supposed to be a sports car in 2008, especially one like this with whatever kind of firepower it will have. Come on, the Cobalt SS (turbocharged) does an 8:22. There are weak cars that are nearly ten years old doing laps in around 9 minutes, give or take. It'd better be better than that.

The headlight cluster looks a lot better than what was on the concept car...Kinda strays away from the 1967-1969 design, but still looks recognizable, and modern at that too...



And I must be the only one who's starting to think that the Nurburgring bragging right is starting to become a cliché when it starts to get applied to every goddamn car out there...It's one thing to use one of the most badass of race tracks in the world as a comparison ground between Vipers, Corvettes, 911s, and the such, but when you start throwing everyday Joe Schmoe cars out into the fray like the Camaro and the f**king Cobalt, things start to get ridiculous...The f**king Cobalt! Ohh, seeing one of those run the 'Ring beats the hell out of watching an FXX do the same thing; Gives me hard-ons!



The 'Ring is not the be-all/end-all anyway...

Does that help?

This post has been edited by BlackSubaru on May 26 2008, 04:43 AM

So, since I can drive a F1 car around the Ring in about a 12min lap and say Lewis Hamilton can get a moped around the track with a lap time of 11min, the moped must be a hell of a lot faster than a F1 car, right?


The whole track time thing is flawed in the fact that it is not the same driver in each car. For all we know the dude that took the Camaro around in 9 mins was named "Bob" and he works at GM doing welding.

Until they start using a professional driver that knows the track and tests all the cars, the track times mean two things, jack and shit.



And what turbo_levin says, that link does not work for me. I get no article talking about 9 minute lap times. When searching google and yahoo for the Camaro at the ring, all I get is articles that they drove around the ring.

And I found this one on several sites as to who was driving it.

That analogy doesn't work. We're talking about what was more than likely a GM tester putting a test car through a shakedown during a reserved session, not a non-professional driver taking a car that he was not familiar with through a course he was not familiar with on an open track day.

I get what you're saying, but that's never going to happen. It's already enough of a task to master a HUGE course like the Nurburgring, and to expect one driver to be able to put any car of any layout through the course and be able to extract the fastest times better than anyone else is a tall order. It's much easier to have a driver who can combine a superior familiarity with both the course and a specific vehicle (like Walter Rohl and Porsche) since the driver can focus on extracting that one car's full potential throughout its testing phases, rather than having to be able to become instantly familiar with every possible setup of a car in a short time frame. That is practically impossible on the 'Ring, and it would lead to many cars' laptimes being short of their potential. The whole point of engineers taking cars to the 'Ring is to test those cars to find their limits.

As unlikely as that is, the fact still remains that contrary to what Turbo_Levin_13 said, a 'Ring lap time of 9 minutes is BAD. More than likely, it's the driver's fault, as I'm sure it's capable of something much better (or at least I'd hope so), but it's not a good time and I'm not going to say otherwise. I'm not attacking the car, I was attacking the reported laptime and disagreeing with Turbo_Levin_13 thinking that it was "not bad."

Like I said before, that's not going to happen. That might work for the Stig with Top Gear, but it's a little easier to do that on a flat, level road course that they can use at their disposal compared to what is arguably the most demanding race track in the world.

You can't have one guy doing everything. Sure, there could be a guy who might be able to drive X amount of cars around Y track better than any other guy could drive that same X amount of cars around that same Y track, but unless that guy is able to push each and every car closer to its absolute limits than anyone else can, then the responsibility of Nurburgring testing should never be in the hands of just one person. Look at it this way, just because a track star might be a superior sprinter overall doesn't mean that he should do every sprinting event (200m, 400m, 400m relay, etc.) since no one athlete has mastered every sprinting event... which is why countries will always send different guys who are the best for that specific task, though there are always a few guys who do particularly well in more than one event. It's not the greatest analogy, but I figure you get my point.

If that's a V6 Camaro, then a time of 8:30-8:45 is pretty impressive imho. Would beat the Mustang V6, that's for sure.

The reality of the matter is that there isn't too much of a reason for GM to waste their time doing R&D for the base V-6 model on the Nurburgring. That aside, an 8:30-8:45 wouldn't be nearly as terrible, but the time quoted was "around 9 minutes," which is a pretty significantly longer time than 8:30-8:45.

I know people would consider this sacrilege, but I wish they would stop using the 'ring as comparison in ANY new sporty car. Use Suzuka , or Laguna ore something.

The way gas prices are going? Well hell why not?

I'm not a real expert on Camaros, but I'm pretty sure there was an option package to get full Z28/SS underpinnings spare the engine and transmission... called the RS.
If it is an SS, then the time is very disappointing. Either that or they're not pushing it.

Apex: Well hell why not Sonoma? Or Watkins Glen? Would give the to the Camaro "home crowd" some extra appeal if you know what I mean.

This post has been edited by Reiji Dorifuta on May 27 2008, 04:42 PM

Courtesy of your friendly neighborhood DAKMOR.



GM has released alot of info today, namely, everything. Like with the SEPAW* convention, it was done simultaneously cities across America. And today there will be a live chat with different team members that anyone can join in on. Just like SEPAW, neato huh.

LS3 and "Caddy" 3.6L DI V6 w/ VVT are available, as well as a 6.2L L99 motor with AFM (DOD). I don't know much about the L99, but I'm sure I will learn more in time.

4 Transmissions in total, 2 autos with GM's (i'm guessing) "TAPshift" feature. An Aisin Warner manual for LS and LT trims, and continuing with tradition, the TR6060 for the topline trim, SS. Did I mention they're all six speeds?

Color choices are up and it appears a yellow has made it to production. With an oddball Aqua Blue Metallic and Imperial Blue Metallic, blue will be more of a player in choice this time around.

If you want to check out more info on what has been released, go to Chevy.com/Camaro

Follow through and explore all it has. Some good stuff there.

*See, The Day the Panther Died