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| razorsuKe |
Posted: Apr 30 2007, 04:28 AM
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immature loser ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,341 Member No.: 12,243 Joined: Sep 12th 2005 Location: Calgary Canada |
TST
TST is an English acronym for the Chinese word: Tsat Sheung Tsat, literally translating into erase-up-erase. It was introduced a few months after eraser and kept hidden for quite some time. Lacking a proper english name for this technique, the term "TST" was coined in #kishu from regular chatters. On turns where the player has enough room and distance to prepare for the turn, they can use the TST technique. The first form of TST, I will use the first turn of Akina as an example. About 200m from the corner, the car should be as close to the inside as possible but leaving enough room for the car to turn inwards a little (usually near the middle of the lane). There should be room left because at this point, the player needs to use the Eraser Technique twice. The car will be locked going that direction (right for the first turn of akina). Then turn the wheel the other way (left) as fast as possible, then swing back and erase again and brake, apex, etc. As you can see, this is quite unbelievable, it is not even driving anymore. However this with this technique, exit speeds can be 1-2km faster. It is not recommended to use this technique until you are very familiar with the game concept (usually at most 2 seconds away from world record time). The concept of TST is basically a mega feint and multiple eraser combined, by erasing twice early, the car naturally wants to turn that way, swinging out just gives more time to get the correct line and eraser back in once more. |
| ChaosSoldier |
Posted: Apr 30 2007, 10:23 PM
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IDW Prime Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,157 Member No.: 8,382 Joined: Jun 23rd 2005 Location: Hawaii |
Before anyone asks, do not ask for tips on how to use TST before properly learning every other technique. This technique does NOT work without knowing the fundamentals of the game first.
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| moXie |
Posted: May 7 2007, 08:12 AM
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IDW Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 14 Member No.: 23,964 Joined: Apr 10th 2007 Location: Update Profile |
TST is 2 erasers in, feint out, and one more eraser into the turn..but what if u do 1 in, feint, and 2 into the turn, is there a difference?
Also on many pro videos some just do 1 in, feint, 1 into turn, i find this easier because sometimes i jam up the initial 2 erasers.. but this method dosent have as much potential right?? |
| DamienWolf |
Posted: May 7 2007, 08:26 AM
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Not Without Incident ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,638 Member No.: 22,878 Joined: Jan 18th 2007 Location: Someplace very violent... |
It will depend on the turn. TST has many renditions. The standard motion would actually be 2 erase in, feint out, 2 erase in. Now on some turns like... lets say... 2nd hard hairpin of Usui CCW, you do 2 erase in, feint out, 1 erase in then the brake motion. Another rendition would be the small curve that leads to that particular hairpin I stated above. You do 1 erase in, feint out a bit, 1 erase in. In Akina 1st turn after CP2, you do 2 erase in, feint out then 5 in 4 out. We call this a mini tst or half tst, because you only use the lock motion to help you turn. One example of the TST effect although its not a TST is in 1st section of Akagi DH. There is a small right turn then a small left turn and then a sharp right turn before CP1. You can do 1 or two erasers on the small right turn, turn left for the small turn (your wheels are already locked to the right thus it was a natural "feint out" motion), then you off gas to catch the inside line of the sharp right turn before CP1. The TST effect was used there although technically, you cant say that was a TST. |
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| moXie |
Posted: May 7 2007, 06:33 PM
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IDW Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 14 Member No.: 23,964 Joined: Apr 10th 2007 Location: Update Profile |
Thanks Wolf. I have a video of HKS doing 20.4 akagi with GC8V, on the CP3 turns he only does 1 eraser for the TSTs, like eraser in, feint out, eraser in. Is there a reason why he dosent do two? That's what's been confusing me.
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| blanc_erik |
Posted: May 7 2007, 07:39 PM
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IDW Prime Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 694 Member No.: 15,444 Joined: Jan 17th 2006 Location: bandung, indonesia |
there are at least 2 reason.
1. one eraser is enough to make your car get the eraser effect ,esp. with cars that prone to oversteer. on the other hand, cars that prone to understeer may require multiple eraser to get the eraser effect. 2. multiple eraser can kill your acceleration, so you'd better use minimum amount of eraser. |
| icedagger |
Posted: May 14 2007, 02:12 PM
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Slowpoke... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,517 Member No.: 18,773 Joined: Jul 5th 2006 Location: Philippines |
I'm having a lot of trouble using TST effectively on Usui. I tried it several times the other day and I'm getting slower exit speeds than without it. The car seems to be slipping out more than it does without TST.
Can anyone suggest some landmarks to help me get the timing right for the tight hairpin and C-121? I think I've got it for the wide hairpin. Right now I'm using the following motion: -line up a bit towards the inside of the middle line. 2 erasers in. -feint out and eraser once. -brake while recentering wheel. -release brake, full turn. gas at apex or before apex. This post has been edited by icedagger on May 14 2007, 02:18 PM |
| rx8Tech9 |
Posted: Nov 4 2009, 08:53 PM
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IDW Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 85 Member No.: 34,241 Joined: Oct 29th 2009 Location: 562, Cali |
some1 post a video tutorial of TST! i needa master that!
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| irninjah |
Posted: Nov 5 2009, 07:33 AM
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What are your times? If you're a beginner I highly recommend you do not attempt TST. Focus on getting really good at your lines. |
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| rx8Tech9 |
Posted: Nov 6 2009, 11:24 PM
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IDW Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 85 Member No.: 34,241 Joined: Oct 29th 2009 Location: 562, Cali |
ooh alright then. ill get back to u when i get my times, i havent played time attack yet, only legends
right now im jus doing 5i4o and getting used to the maps and corners and turns... |
| DigiBunny |
Posted: Nov 6 2009, 11:27 PM
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Spinning Triangle-ist Group: SEC FORUM MODERATOR Posts: 1,487 Member No.: 30,700 Joined: Sep 24th 2008 Location: Philippines |
Suppose I'm getting 3'10ish down akina and 2'51 in Tsuchi with basic eraser, no feinting. Should I work on wheel jerking more before I start confusing myself with the TST motions?
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| rotaspeed |
Posted: Jan 13 2010, 08:38 PM
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Shmuck ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3 Member No.: 34,630 Joined: Jan 4th 2010 Location: san leandro california |
hey i get lik 2:51 on happo is that good and i used a 33k cappacino
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| imprezagc8 |
Posted: Jan 18 2010, 02:18 AM
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da true Hawaii GC8 - 恋人 akibi ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,266 Member No.: 14,482 Joined: Nov 18th 2005 Location: Hawaii, Oahu |
no. imo don't tst on happo till you can get 2:20 |
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