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MattW
Posted: Mar 20 2008, 08:42 PM


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QUOTE (WRX DEMON Type R @ Today at 12:36 AM)
Is this your own opinion?

Or did you quote someone who actually knows what they are talking about?

A 50-50 split in AWD leads to understeer, this is a known fact. Which is why the STi has a 35-65 f/r split, to help it rotate better through corners.
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Posted: Mar 20 2008, 08:45 PM


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what?!?!, how is more front wheel power lead to understeer... you must be bad at driving front wheeler because i drive an FF and never experienced understeer unless you try to romp on the throttle at the apex...
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Posted: Mar 20 2008, 08:46 PM


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QUOTE (atlantian @ Today at 9:42 PM)
but i did actually drive some awd, fr, ff(daily), and rr (drove mr once, but that was just a short sprint around the island...)

Yes, but not all of those were performance applications, which can have drastic differences in handling dynamics compared to non-performance applications.
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Posted: Mar 20 2008, 08:56 PM


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QUOTE (DeeezNuuuts83 @ Today at 8:46 PM)
Yes, but not all of those were performance applications, which can have drastic differences in handling dynamics compared to non-performance applications.

hmmm, i just thought that you can generalize/categorize cars by their drive type...

FR-IS250(the new one with semi auto, performance), c240(my bro's baby... dry.gif , performance)
FF-ES300(my daily),'87 toyota celica(piece of crap i picked up for 100)
AWD-S4(performance), S60
MR-SW20(supercar)
RR-'74 911(supercar)
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Posted: Mar 20 2008, 09:00 PM


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QUOTE (atlantian @ Today at 9:56 PM)
hmmm, i just thought that you can generalize/categorize cars by their drive type...

FR-IS250(the new one with semi auto, performance), c240(my bro's baby... dry.gif , performance)
FF-ES300(my daily),'87 toyota celica(piece of crap i picked up for 100)
AWD-S4(performance), S60
MR-SW20(supercar)
RR-'74 911(supercar)

Sorry, but your classifications are WAY off. IS250 is not performance, C240 is not performance, and the SW20 and '74 911 are both definitely NOT supercars... far from it.

Not to be a jerk, but seriously, you need to stop posting, or at least do A LOT of research before you do. YouTube videos don't count.
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Posted: Mar 20 2008, 09:21 PM


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QUOTE (atlantian @ Today at 8:45 PM)
what?!?!, how is more front wheel power lead to understeer... you must be bad at driving front wheeler because i drive an FF and never experienced understeer unless you try to romp on the throttle at the apex...

I used to run autocrosses with a 2000 Corolla. It's as classical FWD / FF as it can get and it had MAD understeer when pushed hard on severe cornering so I have no clue wtf are you talking about when you say what you just said. Of course, there is always the option you weren't gunning it like I was on corners and I was REALLY gunning it (people said my tires were rolling over haaaard - even though I had enough pressure to barely maintain a solid contact patch).

My old AW11 had some slight understeer on heavy gassing on corners too but had good lift-off oversteer to compensate.

While I like the IS'es, I have to agree with Deez saying the IS250 is far from performance. It definitely is a sporty vehicle but far from performance. Even Lexus call's it just a "sport compact" car which can technically encompass anything with four doors nowadays and "sport suspension".

IS350, okay, now we're getting closer to performance. IS-F? Definitely.

IS250? The cheap entry car into Lexus lineup.
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Posted: Mar 20 2008, 10:12 PM


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QUOTE (MattSAF1 @ Yesterday at 11:42 PM)
A 50-50 split in AWD leads to understeer, this is a known fact. Which is why the STi has a 35-65 f/r split, to help it rotate better through corners.

50:50 split... LOL, that's not symmetrical awd... Thats just equal torque distribution to the front and rear...

I thought you were saying something about Subarus in general - as you know, their logo is, "Symmetrical All Wheel Drive" (Referring to how both sides of the car; left half and right half - not front and rear - are symmetrical, or rather, somewhat symmetrical).
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Posted: Mar 21 2008, 08:13 AM


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so... you guys agree the 911 and the mr2 is performance right?

and @ Frost... dry.gif
i am careful with the throttle... i don't get why you have to drive like a mad man to drive fast, i thoght it was "the less you do with the controls, the faster you go"(exact quote from my instructor)

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Posted: Jul 21 2008, 10:29 AM


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911 yes, mr2 no.

look at the 2000+ mr-s'....those arent geared really towards performance at all

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