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| Posted by: Nomake Wan Oct 3 2013, 08:18 AM |
| I've actually had this simmering for quite a while, and I'm sure the first few times Spaz thought I was joking, and perhaps even now he thinks I'm just being a dick or kidding around or something. After all, the word 'immature' was thrown in for good measure. However, know that I am completely serious and this thread is my declaration of intent. I call for the removal of Spaz from the moderating team. My reasoning is as follows: He was added as part of the joke administration. Quite literally they were assigned as part of an April Fools' prank, then most of them were kept on beyond that point. We've already had Tessou voluntarily step down, and while his replacement as administrator has yet to do much to prove herself (I don't know who decided to re-start the Awards, Perry or HONDA_CG2, but the aftermath of the awards was handled squarely by Perry and not HONDA_CG2) it's a start. I still don't have an opinion there as there hasn't been enough Administrator activity to show whether it was a move forward or a step backward. However, I have always felt that Spaz was a poor choice as moderator. Is he active? Yes, he is. Is he involved with automobiles? Yes, he is. However, there really should be more to that if you're going to moderate the automotive section. It reflects poorly when the Automotive moderator can't tell that a Ferrari going 200 MPH is going to be invisible to a taxi cab going 20 until nearly the moment of impact, something that requires a lick of common sense to grasp and a lick of mathematics ability to prove. It reflects poorly when the Automotive moderator assumes that a guy in a Range Rover running over a motorcycle placed in the way of his vehicle in order to box him in to facilitate an attack on his person and his family deserves to be 'raped in civil court by those he injured and their familes' for actions that any human being with the ability to place themselves in that situation would find right, or at least the ability to look further into the evidence presented than just the one second of action out of an event that lasted over five minutes. It reflects poorly when the Automotive moderator puts off-the-shelf generic brake fluid into his tuned race car, takes it to a race track, races it and destroys it. Absolutely I am being harsh. Absolutely I am being blunt and to the point. Absolutely I am serious. It's high time we had someone else in that seat who was brought there by the people and not by an April Fools' joke. Spaz, I don't have anything against you as a member, just as I don't have anything against Apex Carver as a member or Tessou as a member. However, I find that you do not deserve the badge you currently wear. That is my view. I am making it public, more public than the mere comments I have made in the past which apparently have been shrugged off as jokes. Regardless of the outcome, I realize this will paint me in a negative light and that is fine by me. If it's for IDW, I'll do it. I've proven that much in the past and welcome whatever comes of this as well. I open this poll so that the community at large can voice their own opinion. If they would rather speak silently and anonymously, that is their choice and the poll is open. If they would like to speak in defense of Spaz's position, or to complement mine, the thread is wide open for comments. Let the democracy begin. |
| Posted by: JKaiba Oct 3 2013, 11:48 AM |
| I don't think Spaz's track activities should have anything to do with his ability to moderate. If you are arguing that his behavior was negligent: his car was damaged on a private, closed track, on which he made a calculated risk in his driving and vehicle set up while driving alongside other consenting parties. He has not crashed in this manner before, and he obviously learned something from it. I thought that type of sanctioned, off road, learning centric driving experience was the ideal of what the attitude of the more mature IDW was aspiring to. Most of us here who have driven hard have had accidents before and I don't think that makes us feckless, devil may care individuals. The only reason I can think of relieving him is to reduce moderator bloat. Tangentially it could be argued that it might make people more comfortable in disagreeing with him considering his opinionated stand on certain subjects but ideally moderators should be able to express their opinions without people being in fear of retribution, which to be honest Spaz does pretty well as far as I've seen. |
| Posted by: Grappler Oct 3 2013, 12:22 PM |
| Pretty sure I have lost respect for you nomake wan and if nothing else gained respect for this moderating team. That you havent been imediately banned is nothing but an immense amount of self control for calling out a member of a forum in a public thread as it is nothing but childish. I would imagine it couldnt have possibly hurt to pm someone if you take issue with them or pm another moderator. |
| Posted by: Rudy Oct 3 2013, 01:00 PM |
| I'm sorry Nomake, but I don't have your back on this one. Not after making a personal attack in the midst of an otherwise slanted but rational monologue. Spaz is the favorite of my moderators and has done everything in a completely fair and unbiased manner when actually dealing with member issues or forum misbehavior. I don't know if you realize this or not but Spaz is a human being just like the rest of us. He is allowed to make mistakes here and there and to be honest that comment about brake fluid hit home because if I was in his shoes my car would have been wrecked because I didn't know better either. He isn't trigger happy with the warn button but deals it out as necessary, doesn't personally take sides in member vs. member arguments and overall represents the forum staff in a healthy and responsible manner. tl;dr HOW COOULD YOU? [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Spaz Oct 3 2013, 01:02 PM |
| For reference, I refuse to render judgment on anything I am directly involved with. Even in blatant violations, I will refrain to prevent either the abuse or the appearance of abuse of the badge. However, I am currently at work. You know, being a productive member of society. I don't have time to write post novels between the times of 8-4:30 CST outside of my lunch break that has already passed. So I'll leave it at this. I like you Don. Possibly past tense. I had respect for you. That is past tense. Note that I will continue to be civil to you here and if I meet you in person. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Oct 3 2013, 01:03 PM | ||
I really didn't want to reply to this thread. I didn't want to give it that recognition, because (as has been said elsewhere) the staff is currently managed and appointed by the Site Administrator(s), not polls made in the Feedback Section, and your thinking that this poll has any merit whatsoever is comical. I didn't want to reply, but when I see a comment as disgusting and offensive as this, I feel obligated to reply. Nothing really needs to be said, though. You should be ashamed of yourself, but I know you aren't. I know you're probably laughing at this, which is even more revolting and even more reason for you to be ashamed. Enjoy your warn. |
| Posted by: Hannah Oct 3 2013, 01:30 PM |
| I don't participate in the forms as often as I used to, nor do I care for the whole range rover VS douchebag motorcycle gang thread. And to put it bluntly, the majority of regulars on this forum I don't necessarily care for. As I am being asked to participate in this thread without prior (common )knowledge, I should tell you guys I just dont give a damn what happens. Therefore, my vote is undecided. Also I'd like to say, who the f*** cares what kind of brake fluid or whatever spaz put in his f****** car. His car does not equal the forums. Nobody is f****** perfect. what someone does in their f****** spare time outside of IDW, has nothing to do with how they moderate this goddamn forum. Instead of gaining the title of Motherfucking Douche Nozzle, how about you leave Spaz's title of Moderator, alone. /ooc [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: s12drifter Oct 3 2013, 01:49 PM |
| I'll take one for the team. don, when you BUILD a car you will understand.. accidents happen and shit happens, sometimes we make mistakes spaz's accident at the track has NOTHING to do with his moderation here at IDW. a accident is that, it was not intended, not of spaz were street drifting lost brakes and hit someone or a car I would completely agree you with, however this is not the case. what happens out side of the forum with him and his car is his personal business. hey one time i went street drifting spun out in the middle of an intersection. idiotic? completely 1000% smart? nope. but because what i do outside of the forum does not mean it should effect me inside the forum unless i start spewing shit like obama is a pirate or something. this is the one thing i DID want to address that is all. My vote is undecided. |
| Posted by: Spaz Oct 3 2013, 03:09 PM | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
Okay, I'm off work. Here goes:
Well, you are, to quote yourself, "being a dick", because there are plenty of avenues with which to make a complaint of this nature that don't involve publicly berating a staff member. You chose this one. And yes, this is the least mature of the options, making my comment quite valid.
Didn't see that one coming. JKLOL
Good, I thought for a second that you were going to keep making offhanded comments on the matter whenever I posted something you didn't like.
You are correct, I was added as part of an April Fools joke. After the joke, it was discussed, at length, who would be trimmed from the mod team. As a new addition, I was on that list, albeit briefly, and my removal was not actually discussed. I was deemed, by the administration at the time, to be enough of a fit for the position. The current administration, to my knowledge, has yet to feel differently on the subject.
It may have been a while since you wore green (or was it the done away with blue? I can't remember), but last I checked there are no forum specific moderators anymore. I'm active in the sections of the board that tend to need the most moderation; Automotive, Off Topic, and Community. Apparently we need to add the Feedback and Support forum too. The point is that I'm a global mod, and I do my job globally.
There are two sides to every story. I'm sorry I look at the side of the sympathized objectively on occasion. Yes, in the first case, I didn't run the numbers, which to my understanding clearly makes me deserving of crucifixion. I fucked that one up and I get that. The second case is simply missing too much information on what led up to it to know. I stated how it looks to me in that thread, which is where it will stay.
I was not racing. I am setting that straight right now. Beyond that, yes, I made bad judgement calls on both fluid and time spent on the track. Don't think I don't know that, don't think I haven't learned from that. Also, don't think that standard DOT 4 hasn't been used, with success, in similar Evos on that track. I had no reason to believe, that while taking it easy, I had anything to worry about. I was cautioned not to run the car hard, and I was not running the car hard. For reference, I was passed by both an NA Tiburon on stock suspension and a G35 of unknown modification.
You left no question on that, believe me.
Again, the changes made permanent were discussed at length after the fact by the administration.
You've really got me fooled at this point. You may not have anything against me, but it is plainly clear at this juncture that you also have zero respect for me. As a result I have zero interest in entertaining anything you have to say both to the contrary of that, and even in neutrality, on the subject of myself. The only words of yours that I see carrying weight anymore are the negative ones.
That's fine. You're very much welcome to your opinion just as I am blatantly unwelcome to mine while I wear this badge.
I will not vote, and I will not look at the results. I will not close the poll, close the thread, or warn anyone for anything they have to say in here. As I've noted in the past, I refuse to be involved in disciplinary or corrective action, or any voting on subjects that directly involve me. |
| Posted by: Rudy Oct 3 2013, 03:30 PM |
| If anything, that post right there solidifies your right to moderate. Nice breakdown, Spaz. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Oct 3 2013, 04:38 PM | ||
I'm currently on lunch break at work--required in California if you work over 5 hours--which I have been at since 1:30 and will be at until at least 9:30 being, as someone else said, a productive member of society. However, just like with the work-related conference yesterday this means I am unable to write a proper reply. The mobile site has no multi-quote function. If it becomes necessary I will do so once I return home. I am not laughing whatsoever at this thread or any of its comments. Voicing my honest opinion in front of the whole forum uncensored and receiving the whole forum's opinion in return is a large part of why this exists. Seeing so many people disagreeing is humbling but not unexpected, and I haven't lost respect for anyone who has posted anything or voted the way they have. I will enjoy the warn, just as I will be satisfied with whatever outcome this thread has, as I do it for IDW. That's all I have to say to your official word. I likely won't need to reply to anyone else--though I did find one other post suggesting I be insta-banned intriguing--but if a reply or further explanation of my stance or actions is requested I shall do so once I return home from work. Otherwise, I bid this thread adieu so that it may run its natural course. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: s12drifter Oct 3 2013, 04:53 PM |
| actions do speak louder then words. |
| Posted by: MetalMan777 Oct 3 2013, 05:26 PM |
| This forum is run by kids, and pretty much always has been for as long as I've been here. Considering its main focus is a cartoon, I find that fits a lot better than if it were lawforums.net or carsforadults.net. I could name the ones that have been the most childish, but I think it's pretty obvious. I won't hold that against anybody, I don't really care that much. I miss Floh. |
| Posted by: Archbishop Banana Oct 3 2013, 06:25 PM |
| Since when did a mod's car have to do with the forum itself? It's a moderators job to, uhm, moderate? |
| Posted by: Spaz Oct 4 2013, 04:24 AM | ||
I do too. |
| Posted by: Rudy Oct 4 2013, 07:14 AM |
| So that's it, Nomake, you're going to just address Kyon's post and blow everyone else off? Wow, way to stand behind your word, asshole. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Oct 4 2013, 08:26 AM | ||
Personally attacking another member is not "for [the good of] IDW". It's unacceptable and pathetic. That you think this, coupled with the fact that you think leaving this thread won't make your actions even worse, shows the extent of your delusion and overinflated ego. You have nothing to be proud of nor satisfied by. Get real. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Oct 4 2013, 10:31 AM | ||||||||||||||
Sigh. Since AJ requested it--and since Kyonpalm suggested in his latest post that 'leaving this thread [will] make [my] actions even worse'--here we go again. Today's my one day off this week and I'm awake, so I guess I'll give the reply to all relevant posts. If I didn't hit you back and you would prefer attention, just let me know.
If I had been instantly banned from a 0% warning level, that would have shown that the current administration is in fact faulty. It would have been disappointing, but I would merely have bid my silent farewell to the forums and switched over to hanging out with the other community I'm active with full-time. Receiving a warning for my first post here seems like a fair response, though it's apparently been suggested on IDW's Facebook--which I'll get to later, since Tessou made a comment there and deserves a response--that there will be further consequences. I await that decision with anticipation as it will define the current moderating team.
I doubt I will get a response here since you mentioned later in the same post that you would no longer respond, but I will say it anyway. If you were not racing, what were you doing on a race track that caused your brake system to overheat to the point of boiling off your brake fluid? If you were not racing, what were you doing on a race track that left you with sufficient momentum to obliterate your vehicle on impact?
'Than', and I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. What do you suggest I do? My initial theory was to keep my word and stay away from this thread, and if that's so I apologize for breaking it--though I did say that if I were asked, I would return. Here I am, having been called out.
As do I. It's ironic--I hated the guy's guts and was totally behind the decision to ban him. Only once he was gone did I realize that he kept most of the nonsense in automotive in check without ever having worn a badge.
'Reflects badly' is a judgement call, really, showing character... I was pointing out that there was nonsense going on, and perhaps it's time to pass the torch. Apparently the forum disagrees, and that's completely fine. If IDW wants Spaz here, then IDW shall get what it wants. If IDW wants me gone, then IDW shall get what it wants. That's all there is to it.
Wow, way to completely fail reading comprehension. Or perhaps you're too blinded by frustration to have bothered to read the first part of my previous post, the one where I said I was at work and that the mobile site has no multi-quote? The part where, like your post here, it clearly says I was using a mobile device because I was on my iPhone 4 in the breakroom at work? What word was I to keep, pray tell? If you point out what promise I've broken, I will gladly correct it. Until then, I'm left scratching my head.
I'm quite real and have not stopped being real. If you believe that this thread is merely for the attack of Spaz and was not a call to have him replaced as moderator, then feel free to close it. That's well within the power of you or any other member of IDW's staff. Besides, it's clear from the posts and the poll that the majority who were willing to cast a vote believe Spaz should remain a moderator. As such, the democratic part of this topic has served its purpose. IDW has spoken. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Oct 4 2013, 10:52 AM | ||
Way to completely ignore answering for your inexcusably offensive criticisms of Spaz's accident (which had nothing to do with your point). You're doing a great job of ignoring it so far, keep it up. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Oct 4 2013, 11:01 AM | ||
Wow. There was really confusion? All right, I'll go into detail. I posted on Facebook just now that I believe that each of the new moderators--yourself included--were brought on board with a specific focus in mind. While the new moderation system--new insofar as that it did not exist when I was a moderator--does not allow for specific forum moderators and has essentially given all moderators global power, it was my understanding that each new moderator had a particular area of expertise. It was also my understanding that Spaz was brought in mostly to deal with sideways--the old automotive moderator--being relatively inactive especially after moving to Aussie-land. That was my understanding. Tessou can answer on Facebook whether my understanding was incorrect or not. I am not nor will ever be staff, so I am merely running on an assmption. So, running with that assumption, it was a major automotive fuck-up. If it were a normal member that would be one thing. Shit happens. But consistently bungling subjects that are clearly automotive in nature shows an inability to manage that topic. A lack of specialization. A deficiency in sense or expertise. That was my point. However, that point only makes a lick of sense if my assumption about moderator specialization and the reason for bringing Spaz on board were correct. If they were not, then the entire thing goes straight out the windshield. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Oct 4 2013, 11:33 AM | ||
I will reiterate: way to completely ignore answering for your inexcusably offensive criticisms of Spaz's accident. Your excuses are not justifications. You have yet to acknowledge the inappropriate nature of your comments. You can either own up to it and apologize, or not feel any regret, not be sorry, and choose to ruin your reputation with many people who thought they liked and respected you. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Oct 4 2013, 12:00 PM |
| Yet again I'm apparently left the only one confused here. I thought you were asking to explain what it had to do with my call to remove him as moderator, but apparently all that was desired was an apology for the comment itself. Well, the comment's already been made, the 'damage' to my reputation has already been done and there's not a chance in hell anyone's opinion is going to change regardless of what I say at this juncture. I could get down on my knees and beg forgiveness and it won't change a thing. I can tell you that I stand by what I said firmly and accept whatever comes of it and it won't change a thing. You have all made clear your opinions, your individual stances. So I refuse. I refuse to backpedal like some whipped politician who only cares about popularity votes. What's said is said. It cannot be unsaid. Even if I were to edit it out, the discussion has been had and the thoughts have been thought. Even if this thread were to be deleted, it cannot be wiped from the memories of those who have read it, considered it and posted in it. I can apologize to those who found it offensive. If you found it offensive, I apologize. I can apologize to those who found it inappropriate or who thought I should have taken it to PM, though I personally am not sure who I would have PM'd or what I would have said to spur the change I was looking to create. If you don't think this should have been in the public eye, I apologize. However, I am by no means deluded enough to think that an apology will magically sugar-coat the universe and restore it to before this thread existed. I was prepared for that when I wrote the post. Were I not, it would not have been written. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Oct 4 2013, 12:05 PM | ||||
It wouldn't be backpedaling unless you weren't really sorry.
Would you be sorry that they happened to find it offensive and that's their problem or would you be sorry because you actually may have hurt someone and feel bad for it? |
| Posted by: Shirogane Oct 4 2013, 12:07 PM | ||
Uhm, what?  That's... That's just stupid. It's the internet. Respect has no value. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Oct 4 2013, 12:14 PM | ||
Are we not talking to real people? Do we not form long-distance relationships with other humans? If you think that respect has no value with people you know on the Internet, then you must think it's okay to say anything to someone on the phone, or through a letter (whoever still sends them). To me, that's just stupid, and more than a bit socially irresponsible. |
| Posted by: Rudy Oct 4 2013, 12:21 PM |
| I'm sorry Nomake, I believe I may have poorly worded my opinion once again. When I get home I'll quote it out so you can more easily see what I was trying to get at. Shiro, you're pretty new to these forums so you wouldn't know but respect carries a lot of weight around here. At least with me. IDW is like a family, dude. That's why we take this so passionate. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Shirogane Oct 4 2013, 12:34 PM | ||
I probably should have stated internet and real life are two different things. It's akin to Carl Jung's theories of Personas and Shadows; just a mere mask. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Oct 4 2013, 12:37 PM | ||||
Spaz himself said that he didn't care about the comment. Specifically...
So if Spaz himself wasn't hurt... then who would I be apologizing to in the vein you suggested? I can only apologize to those who found the comment offensive. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Oct 4 2013, 12:37 PM | ||||
That's an entirely subjective opinion and not one that I (nor many, many other people) share. I'm sorry you don't understand that these are actual people you are talking to and that they deserve as much respect as anyone you meet offline would.
I'm not going to speak for Spaz, but I shouldn't have to explain how society works to you. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Oct 4 2013, 12:45 PM |
| Considering your avatar and signature, that assessment would be correct. |
| Posted by: Kerxn Oct 4 2013, 12:49 PM | ||
That was unnecessary, N1. No need for ad hominem. |
| Posted by: Rudy Oct 4 2013, 12:51 PM | ||
Bullshit. To the best of my knowledge, everybody here represents themselves as their own person. What you see is what you get. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Oct 4 2013, 12:54 PM | ||
Real nice. Stay classy, man. Let me know if you ever feel like "apologizing" for that remark. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Oct 4 2013, 02:18 PM |
| Considering that this has turned into 'Kyonpalm grills N1 in Spaz's stead--The Thread', I don't find it unnecessary at all. It appears Kyonpalm is attempting an attack on my character, so I will respond to that in kind. If Spaz wants an apology then he can come in here and ask for it. I'm not sure why you're all up in arms over this topic, Kyonpalm, but I think it's time the thread got closed before it really gets out of hand. I'd do it myself but considering you yourself could then just reopen it, I'll leave that to the green badges instead. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Oct 4 2013, 02:25 PM | ||
I'm attempting an attack on the hostile (and at times, offensive) attitude you've had on here for years. I've seen it for as long as I've known you and I'm done just "dealing with it" and seeing others let it slide. If you identify your character as hostile and offensive, then by all means, yes, it is an attack on your character. However, if my nearly five-year-long knowledge of you is correct, and your character generally does not consist of those things, then you'll understand what I'm doing. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Oct 4 2013, 02:38 PM |
| Ah, gotcha, you're more...how to put it, hijacking the thread in order to replicate the original post but change the object to myself. Very well, I shall respond under that assumption. You're damn right I can be hostile and/or offensive on here. There are of course outliers; for instance, the blatant trolling of the Fandub thread over in Initial D General Discussion a year ago or the insane abuse of moderator powers during the (thankfully) brief existence of the Nomake Wan forum section. Those were not my normal attitude towards others or posting on IDW in general, they were done with an ulterior motive in mind and done entirely as a joke. It was obvious to many who knew me that this was the case, and I believe on both occasions I even discussed the situation with you directly. However, let us put those outliers aside and talk about my general, normal attitude towards this board. There was a very simple reason I stopped being a moderator. It was not stress, it was not being shamed, nor was I fired from the position I had been promoted to. It was because the restrictions of being a moderator had finally made it so that I could not be a member of the community. So I took off the badge, handed it back to Perry, and from that moment onwards treated Initial D World as I had always wanted to but was never able to. I was able to speak freely and voice my opinions without wondering if I would be contradicting a staff position. I could call out the staff for making some stupid decision or another without worrying if I'd get grilled in the Staff section about staging a coup. I could call other members idiots and express my disgust or amusement with their ridiculousness without the need to 'uphold the integrity of the badge'. It of course opened me to the same rules that any other member had, which meant the same warning system as any other member. But that's exactly what I wanted. I want to be treated like any other member. If I step out of line, I expect the staff to step in and slap my ass for it just as much as I expected staff to slap the asses of those who deserved it back when I was a member of the moderating team. I expect unilateral, unbiased moderation. I do not expect--and in fact abhor--special treatment based on veteranship, activity or any other such criteria. I have not kept these facts silent. I have spoken about this on multiple occasions over the years. It should not be news to anyone except perhaps Kerxn who was last here when I still wore a green tag under my username. So do your jobs, people. You think I'm stepping out of line? Let me know. But know that I hold you to an even higher standard than the other members here, my peers. You are staff. You are the moderating team. Your existence, your ideas represent the very core of what IDW is and will become. The decisions you make reflect the board as a whole. If you're going to come after me, then I'm going to cock an eyebrow and wonder why you're trying to follow in Alastair's footsteps rather than taking a deep breath and perhaps talk about it with the rest of the staff before pulling the trigger on a post. Is that enough? Is there more you would like me to say? More you want me to explain? I've nothing to hide, kyonpalm. Let's get everything right out into the open for everyone to see. That appears to be what you want, and I'm more than willing to oblige. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Oct 4 2013, 02:51 PM | ||
No, that explains it all pretty well. All I can say is...
...from now on, I will ensure that you are held to the same standard as other members, just as you wish. Also, regarding "hijacking" the thread - that's very misleading. I'm extending this discussion about your post to the bigger picture, which is your posting behavior. The catalyst for this was your offensive jab at Spaz's character which I (and many other people) did not let slide. I never changed any object of discussion in this thread - the point of this entire discussion all along has never been about Spaz's status as a mod, as you intended in your OP, but rather your unacceptable attacks on his character (which you intended to raise but I would assume did not know you would be called out on). From the moment you posted this thread, the main focus of the discussion was about your attacks on his character, not whether he should be a mod or not. The poll votes were just "accessories". I never "hijacked" anything. |
| Posted by: Perry Oct 4 2013, 03:30 PM |
| I appreciate the feedback, Donz0rz. As previously mentioned, we did away with the section-specific moderator long ago. However, we do have an area in mind of where that moderator will be when we bring someone new to the team. Like the latest addition, OkamiWind, we (both Lena and I) contacted him over on Skype and did a little "interview" thing prior to adding him. Gone are the days when I just pick anybody I want and have them find out one day that they are a mod when they log in. Anyways, yes, the moderator has to be knowledgeable in the unspoken sections that they are assigned to. They need to be active in those sections. But the most important of all is that they have to be level-headed when making a judgment call. FlohtingPoint would be a good addition to the team if he wasn't so self-absorbed. He would have banned half of the people who frequent the automotive section if we made him a moderator. What people outside of the forums has very little bearing and effects on the forums. Let say OkamiWind has this habits of cutting used Arcade Stage cards in pieces and put them in a plastic bag and sleep with them every night, that's a little strange behavior, but it doesn't affect him moderating the forums. So why should we judge him for that? (Sorry, OkamiWind! This is just a made-up example) Spaz is not going away any time regardless of the poll result. But I personally appreciate the comments and feedbacks in this thread, negative or not. It feels like a community where we can talk it out, in a civilized manner. |
| Posted by: Nerubian Oct 4 2013, 04:10 PM |
| What's the fun of being deliberately offensive to someone for humorous reasons? People who don't understand this kind of jokes automatically feel attacked. And this can lead to serious fights with bad aftermaths. |
| Posted by: Archbishop Banana Oct 4 2013, 04:13 PM |
| Someone's digging their own grave here.... |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Oct 4 2013, 04:19 PM | ||||||
You have no idea how sad it makes me to hear these words. All members should have been held to the same standard as all other members since the beginning. It was not so when I was a moderator, and I would have hoped things would have changed since then. Finding out straight from the horse's mouth that this isn't the case is depressing. If anything, perhaps this thread will have served a purpose for IDW--finally bringing about the change I desired even as far back as the green badge in ID General Discussion. An end to favoritism.
Thank you for the post. Spaz quite obviously deserves the spot he has from the feedback this thread has generated, but I should point out curiously that your post about the current moderator hiring process does conflict with what Tessou posted on Facebook. According to Tessou there was no thought whatsoever put into any individual's skills, specialties or expertise upon bringing them on board, and that all was merely the criteria of being active members and being level-headed. If the latter is so, Spaz most certainly deserves his spot... though there may be some question as to other staff in the 'level-headed' category. If there is in fact some level of specialization among the 'global moderators', and that they're expected to cover some specific subset of the forums as a priority, then my initial postings were not as misguided as Tessou had led me to believe. As such, I am once more left scratching my head. Whose information do I believe? Tessou, the admin on board who 'hired' almost the entire current moderating team? Perry, the man who owns the board and has run it from the beginning? Myself, ignoring both sides and running solely on my own inferences? There is a conflict of information which should be resolved once and for all. EDIT: Sorry Nerubian, you posted while I was writing this.
The events I was referring to were two isolated and very specific events on the forum. Neither of them refers to this thread, nor is this thread a joke. |
| Posted by: Rudy Oct 4 2013, 04:50 PM |
| I think I'm beginning to understand the method to your madness, and it's borderlining on genius|insane. If this thread got locked and or you got "muted" for a few weeks, none of this would have played out the way it did. How much were you counting on this thread remaining open? [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Perry Oct 4 2013, 06:24 PM | ||
The 2012 April Prank was in planning stage as far as back the end of 2011 if I remember correcty. Tessou and I had an extensive discussion on what should happen during my absence (I was in China for 24 days between March and April 2012) So even though it seemed like a "joke" it wasn't, as some events were already planned out in advanced. Though, we did not discuss who will be the new moderators prior to April 1st. After April 1st, we went through all the moderators Tessou selected and took out the ones we didn't unilaterally agree on. I had complete trust in Tessou for selecting those moderators, but his criterion for selecting moderators is slightly different than mine, and that's fine. There was never a guide to follow when picking new moderators. My criterion is more towards how mature the individual is prior to being selected. I'd rather trade knowledgeable with maturity. But that's just my standards. A moderator doesn't have to be the best in knowledge. As long as they are learning with a open attitude while keeping the balance of the forums, that's really more than I can ask for. |
| Posted by: s12drifter Oct 4 2013, 06:44 PM |
I believe IDW has spoken. |
| Posted by: Shirogane Oct 4 2013, 08:03 PM | ||||
Jesus Christ, you're no better.
Do speak for yourself when for every single post I see relates to the illegal activity of street racing, such as the Manhattan thread. Or do I need to remind you of your banter about what could have been a dangerous use of your Genesis? |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Oct 4 2013, 09:16 PM | ||||
I wasn't. From the very start I firmly believed that my fate and the fate of this discussion lay solely in the hands of the forum community at large. If it had been closed, that would have been that. It remaining open just means it's kept going. I have been 'accused' by a few parties both on and off the forums of pulling this as some sort of stunt, or asking what my ulterior motive is. I don't have one, and this isn't a stunt or a ploy. I have meant everything I've said, and the original objective of this thread was exactly what I laid out in post #1. If you read any further into it than what I've posted, you're inventing something that doesn't exist.
Thank you for the clarification, I appreciate it. So both of you were correct in what you said, and there was just a final selection process where he selected moderators based on his criteria and you approved them on yours. That makes sense.  |
| Posted by: PWNatorPWNED Oct 4 2013, 10:41 PM |
 On a more serious note though, I believe that both sides of the debate/argument is at fault here. 1. Nomake, you shouldn't have blown your top like that in the first place. Like they say, forgive and forget. Besides, a moderator title is just that, a title. It wouldn't hold any real significance in the real world. And like kyonpalm said, he wasn't hijacking the thread. The definition of hijack is, "illegally seize (an aircraft, ship, or vehicle) in transit and force it to go to a different destination or use it for one's own purposes". Unless you think a thread is a vehicle, your use of the word was invalid. 2. Kyonpalm, imo you sorta escalated the argument with your comments toward Nomake as well. Even though I just joined and you're a veteran here, we can just continue this flame war. I don't know about you guys/girls, but I have a life. I want to live it to the fullest without thinking of this incident. That's what I had in mind. |
| Posted by: Banken Oct 4 2013, 11:27 PM |
| You're all nerds. -thread |
| Posted by: Rudy Oct 4 2013, 11:56 PM | ||
If that's the case, newcomer, then you're not putting much effort into reading beyond the initial shock-and-awe posts, or my admittedly not-perfect kneejerk reactions in such instances. What you ARE doing, however, is hijacking this thread. This isn't about me, it's about Nomake Wan. Do you have a beef with me? Then keep it out of this thread and in your PM inbox. Since I returned, you haven't made much of an impression on me so I can't say I have much of an opinion on you, but it would be unwise to sour my view of you in what is turning out to be one of the most pivotal moments in IDW history. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Oct 5 2013, 01:18 AM | ||
 Image size reduced, original size: 700 x 574. http://i.imgur.com/U9pbd4I.jpg to view the image in its original dimension. I don't find that anyone is really 'at fault' since that depends on what you're attempting to find fault in. Since you seem to want to argue semantics instead of continuing the discussion in a proper manner, I will indulge your desire by saying that a thread on a discussion board is, in fact, a vehicle--it is a vehicle for the exchange of ideas. By turning a thread away from its original direction and/or focusing it on something other than the original intended subject it is being hijacked. Not that the semantics should matter--'thread hijack' is a commonplace turn of phrase and has been for what, over a decade? You're newish here so I'll leave it at that, but I do ask politely that you not muddy an already murky topic. |
| Posted by: Spaz Oct 5 2013, 04:39 AM |
| I would like to make it apparent that I do not expect an apology, nor am I interested in one. Apologetic words are empty without an accompanying change in behavior, and I'd rather get no apology than a false one, and I'd rather see a change in behavior than get anything. To quote S12 on page one, "actions speak louder..." Regardless, Don, the reason I was on a racetrack if I wasn't racing is that I was participating in an HPDE; High Performance Driver's Education. These events are designed to allow drivers to better learn their vehicles and further their ability to control said vehicle, specifically closer to the limits of said vehicle than one would normally encounter on the streets, outside of emergency situations where quick reflexes and knowledge of vehicle handling are most important. The events are handled in a way that biases safety and good judgement in driving over one's ability to drive the car fast, and as a result are not pace or time based. You are not competing for placing among other drivers in your run group, nor are you being timed from lap to lap. Your improvement is not measured in any racing-oriented form, only in that you as a driver are exhibiting acceptable levels of control and judgment in operating your vehicle. And I failed that last bit. Point is, things other than racing happen on race tracks. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Oct 5 2013, 12:16 PM |
| Fair enough, and a post that couldn't have been written better. I've nothing further to say. |
| Posted by: Rudy Oct 5 2013, 06:41 PM | ||||
After nearly 48 hours, I'm finally home. Time to make good on what I said.
Okay, now that I was able to make out everything on a monitor instead of reading one sentence per acre of screen at a time, I finally understand just what it is you initially meant.
Upon reading it the first 3 or 4 times, the way you finished off your post made it sound like you were just up and leaving the soapbox and wouldn't bother coming back for anything; i.e. abandoning the thread. Standing behind your word [not to be confused with 'keeping your word']; This wasn't so much as a promise you made to the forums (you didn't) but rather, making a bold and daring accusation and then slipping back into the shadows upon being questioned over it. In essence, your word was that Spaz was a shitty mod and undeserving of his position. You took a bold stance and lead the forum (well at least us) to believe that you were just coming in to wreck his reputation and dart back out. A typical politician-type move. That's what I meant by not standing behind your word. The thread has progressed considerably since then, but I didn't want to leave any loose ends. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Oct 5 2013, 09:21 PM |
| Ah. No, it just seemed that the discussion didn't really need me in it. It was better, in my opinion, for the thread to instead gather the opinions of the community. I didn't need to add any of my own bias--that would have spoiled the uncensored, raw nature of the feedback. If it just turned into a back-and-forth discussion it would muddy the topic at hand... ...which is exactly what happened, but that's what the community wanted and as I even said in the post you quoted, I put the community first and was more than willing to reply if asked to. |
| Posted by: logan510 Oct 19 2013, 02:31 PM |
| I'm sorry I missed this thread, it was totally awesome Casey |
| Posted by: Jericho_MPM Nov 1 2013, 02:03 PM |
| Lets just hope peace kicks back in and times move on. |