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I disagree with the concept of the death penalty.

I appreciated the movement for Bernie at first but the more I saw the worse I felt. He was a total pussy, letting BLM hijack his speech and shitting on whitey in debates, and in general just way too much of a socialist. And yeah, he ended up being a complete sellout, so no surprise there either.

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What exactly do you mean by this?

To be fair, it is waffling to some degree, if only for the fact that he pushed that promise so hard and it was one of his biggest points during his campaign. However, the disappointment in this flaking is at least offset by the hope I have for whatever he does decide to do, because it could still be good. I'm not holding my breath.

trump can act civilized/presidential when he wants to but he can just as easily go off on a tangent and say things that can unnerve others. look at the example during the 1yr period to gain the nation's favor. he acted a bit confrontational for most part of it, switched to presidential behavior for a few weeks and then fell back to confrontational politics.

IMO he can freely switch between these 2 modes when he wants to. that makes any sort of effort from him hard to judge if he's actually learning or just acting on his best behavior on an temporary basis. id have to see a longer term concerted effort of proper behavior to be able to be convinced he can act like a good president

This post has been edited by 207 on Nov 13 2016, 06:02 PM

I'm getting a lot of shit shared to me regarding a petition to either sway the votes of or just abolish the electoral college from the Constitution, because Hillary has the popular vote by about 700,000 votes. For the former to happen, it would require a herculean effort that is basically impossible. You'd be asking, individually, for droves of Republican electors to switch their vote on the basis of lack of faith... in order to put Hillary Clinton, the bane of the GOP, in office. She would need a ton of electors the change their vote so she can cross 270 from her existing 232 (against Trump, who now has 306 after winning Michigan). The latter choice would require senate AND state intervention, and guess what? The senate is stacked with Republicans. It's not going to happen. Trump is going to be President. Even the media isn't giving this shit credence, it's so farfetched.

Did anybody else see Trump's 60 Minutes interview?

I saw it. Nothing much of substance. While I can already facepalm as he picks the people to replace the heads of agencies like the EPA and FCC, I can't really armchair-criticize until January and shit actually gets rolling.

As for the popular lead, wow. That's already over Gore/Bush. Ah well, we had to eat it then, we have to eat it now. I don't understand people posting the "here's how Hillary could still win" or "here's how Bernie could still win" shit.

It's over, folks. Shut up and move on, we've got better, more important things to worry about.

If you want Catholic America's vote (and he won it alright) tell 'em you're gonna phase-out abortion. That's why Bush Jr won in 2001 and 2004 ~ cause even a huge if not every portion of the denominations in the USA, hell even other non-Christian religions, are Pro-Life/Anti-Abortion/etc etc call it what you will.

That was a huge reason why Trump won; and maybe he will phase-out abortion I don't know & I don't care?

I'm not religious at all, tho I used to be; to me God is love and that's where it ends. I don't really give a hoot about Pro-Choice or Pro-Life or Anti-this Anti-that... but when I heard that in the 60-interview, I knew it immediately why a huge number of voters voted for him.

The only issue I really give a shoot about is Snowden's pardon ... every other blah-blah this & that Hillary & Trump said doesn't fly by my forehead for even a millisecond. I don't care about the wall cause it's been a tedious-topic ever since I was a wee-laddy so the only beef I have with it is that oops there goes more tax-payers dosh on a useless construction project.

Casey Neistat said it best ~ who ever you voted ✓ for it doesn't really matter cause the outcome of your nation & ultimately your life is in your hands ~ not some old dude or witch-lady in the White House. Twas a hella fun election tho'

This post has been edited by xiao on Nov 15 2016, 03:57 AM

Isn't it illegal to photograph/videotape your ballot in NY?

I think it is but I also think nobody cares. I also believe if it gets challenged in court it is valid in first amendment freedom of speech.

Pretty much. I can't really imagine anyone giving a shit about something like that.

Just sayin'. There are plenty of dumbass laws on the books (lookin' at you, shoulder-thing-that-goes-up!), but that doesn't stop them from being laws until they get struck down, so...yeah. Ignorance of the law is not a defense, etc.

I'm just shit-stirring, really. There's not much left to talk about.

Not to get off-topic, but wut?

The 'barrel shroud', one of the 'evil features' that defines what an assault rifle is by law. When NY congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy was subsequently asked what a barrel shroud was--since she was so strongly in support of banning them--she responded that, "I actually don't know what a barrel shroud is. I believe it's a shoulder thing that goes up."

Because the majority of people who are anti-gun, especially those who are against 'assault weapons', cannot actually define what it is they're banning. Which is hilarious until you remember that these same ignorant fools are the ones making the laws that affect those of us who do know better. Then it's not as funny anymore.

The 2nd Amendment shit is, on its face, about the only good thing about Trump...assuming he actually does push for what he says. As with anything he says, it's not worth putting any weight on until January and balls start rolling outta the oval office. Until then it's all smoke and mirrors. Or, as Seamus McFly so eloquently put it back in good ol' 1885, "Hot air from a buffoon."

I'm for the Death Penalty.

That or we can have it be like in the Latin America's, anybody accused of rape is basically dead in prison. (Those videos are sure... fun to watch, cannibalism, murder, etc.)

I'm sure the taxes that the new Weed jobs/selling we get will be dumped into our prison system as well (Aside from what I hear of 3-4 million a year in research on how to arrest someone if they smoke and drive)

And the whole abortion thing is also retarded, i'm sure he won't answer it, but what if a woman was raped, it's her fault for being raped and she's forced to keep the child? Might as well as force her to marry the person then, like the good old story book the bible says!

☆ For a second there I thought you were talking about a Saiyan-scouter Nomake-P my man ~ there's a law here in TX that says you can't spit on the sidewalk or else you get fined just like jaywalking

☆ Just put the little zygote up for adoption or in a nun-filled boarding school & tell him Brad Pitt was his daddy like xiao was raised by a pack of crazy ruler-wielding nunz ~ (Brad Pitt really is my dad! )

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This post has been edited by xiao on Nov 15 2016, 10:10 AM

You realize shit like that is exactly why we don't do things like Latin America does, right? That shit like that is half the reason illegal immigration from those countries (Mexico in particular) is such a contentious issue?

I disagree wholeheartedly with the GOP's general stance on abortion, and indeed Trump's current public stance as well. But when considering how it applies to his potential policymaking, I'm not as worried about it as I could be, as he's mentioned before that he would like it to be a state-handled issue rather than a federal one. So even if he were the most hard-line anti-abortion proponent, it wouldn't matter as long as he sticks to his word and leaves it in the hands of everyone but himself. Frankly this is something all the anti-Trump folks should be rejoicing about, but they're too busy focusing on his character to notice.

Also, he probably isn't even really anti-abortion to begin with.

You mean keep people in over crowded prisons? It's what we do, but they are more.. lazy in a sense in patrolling the areas. (I mean, look at that Tent city like prison we had for however many years, it only recently got the main guy charged for abuse or whatever)

The whole pinoy thing to with the drug dealers/druggies is also laughable. He's basically feeding them for having them turn themselves in or be murdered. We can go on and on about this, it's what makes humans fun to study and try to understand.

The bottom line for me is this, I support the death penalty, and it being rushed on the ones that have a elephant size full of evidence on them for murder/multiple rapes/etc. Firing squad? I'd vote that shit in too rather than the gas chamber.

This post has been edited by APX on Nov 15 2016, 11:21 AM

Mitch McConnell pledged to stop Trump's proposal for term limits on congress at all costs a few days ago. Then earlier today, Paul Ryan said he supports the proposal. One of these people is a long term senator that has the lowest approval rating in the Senate, while also being the majority leader. The other has been in politics for barely two decades and has the big chair in the House. Maybe they should have a fistfight to determine the winner, before things get truly bloody in congress.

December 19th is approaching fast, guys. I hope you sent letters to your state's electors to get them to change their vote to Hillary despite her concession.

Hillary looks like she's aged another 10 years since last week.

It will be an interesting fight if Congressional term limits do make it to the floor. It also looks like Pelosi's job is under threat (not surprisingly) from OH congressman Tim Ryan.

Hillary looks that way because she doesn't have a 300+ staff that included a makeup team anymore now that her campaign is over.

Hey look, Trump's already done more to fix American jobs before Inauguration Day than Obama's done in his entire 8 year term.

This post has been edited by Master0fMadness on Nov 30 2016, 05:12 PM

I'm afraid that Carrier keeping 1000 jobs (out of 1400, mind you) in the US does not amount to 'doing more to fix American jobs before Inauguration Day than Obama's done in his entire 8 year term'.

When Obama took office in January 2009, unemployment was skyrocketing due to the financial meltdown you may or may not recall. It hit its peak in October of that year--at 10%--and has been inching back down since. Unemployment, as of now, is at roughly 5%.

I'd say that reducing US unemployment from the highest it had been since the bubble burst in the 80s back down to its usual 'idle' state of 5% constitutes far greater an improvement than a mere 1000 jobs. It's a great start, don't get me wrong, and as I've had to say several times already I truly, honestly hope that those who wanted Trump in the White House have this work out for them. I really hope that what they believe Trump to be is what he actually turns out to be. Until then, I'll be sitting back and watching.

Source: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

First off, the awesome face was my cue that it was at least mostly tongue in cheek.

With that out of the way, one thing I would like to point out is that while unemployment itself has been greatly reduced to what economists consider 'full employment', the fact that manufacturing jobs are at least starting to be corralled to within our nation's borders is a huge deal, because most of the jobs lost during and before the recession were replaced with low-wage service-industry jobs.

So for me, this is kind of a big win and a small glimmer of hope in a very dark time for America... but if President-elect Trump really wants to make a splash, he'll get on the phone with that old jew from Vermont and discuss implementing the Outsourcing Prevention Act.

Source: commondreams.org

Unemployment rate is fixed anyway. That number the fed throws around is not the actual number.

Watch. The real number (which is not good) will be revealed on Trump's first day so the media can say he lied.

That's...not a source. What were you actually trying to source, here? Anyway, like I said, I'm not saying that this isn't a win for Trump--it is--but I'm merely not allowing your partially-tongue-in-cheek comment to slide without a little frictional fact-checking.

Yes, let's just say that anything I disagree with is fake, and Trump will reveal the truth. Quoted, see you in January.

Obama willingly allowed tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs to disappear from US shores, then created incentives for minimum wage employers to hire more people.

What this did was create an economy where people work two or more jobs to make the same money they did ten years ago. On paper, "jobs were created", even though employment barely increased.

At the same time, wages have decreased on average in the past year. Is that really progress?

I spent years working in a place where I had unfettered access to govt programs and data... but I guess I'm just pissing in the wind with conspiracy theories.

Yep. If it can't be sourced, then until it is, I'm not going to give it any credibility. That's my own personal belief system. So, as I said, I'll see you in January. If you're right, then you're right, and the data will support you. Until then, here's what portion of your last post, at least, can be sourced:

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38181041

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