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> Best Codecs for Anime / General Purpose, Just a small discussion on codecs and filters
khat17
  Posted: May 7 2006, 08:06 AM


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Good day everyone. Firstly, it's kinda bad to have excessive codecs on your system. From personal experience, it does mess with things over time. You should only install what you need. Most people who only watch anime and don't do encoding of any sort don't really need codecs...........they just need filters.

A filter pack differs from a codec pack in one way particularly:
- Codecs are used to encode and may be used to decode as well
- Filters do not do encoding, just decode for playback purposes

As such, in my experience there are three filter packs that I've found and like. In order from most preferred to least preferred are:

CCCP - http://www.cccp-project.net/

Satsuki - http://yatoshi.com/en/index.php?p=decoder&...25023d2f43a218f

Defilter - http://hellninjacommando.com/defilerpak/

My reasons for the preferences would be:

CCCP
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Always being improved on, works with EVERYTHING (except QT and RM, but if you install REALATERNATIVE and QUICKTIMEALTERNATIVE you can use any player to playback RM and QT files). It also has a beautiful wiki, which I will post at the end for you to read, which shows the differences with filter and codecs in much better detail than I can.

Satsuki
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Actually told to me by my girlfriend. It's very nice, improvements are being made constantly, but is not so much of a minimalist installation.

Defilter
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Defilter is probably the best minimalist installation package, as it only installs one thing mainly, and a few additionals for "just in case".


Overall, CCCP is my favourite because it works, it's small, it has a good wiki, and their chatroom is always open to help people who need info on the codec, and they are willing to listen to their users about bugs or glitches.

CCCP FAQ
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http://www.cccp-project.net/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ

Have fun.
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Posted: May 7 2006, 01:53 PM


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Welcome to the forums, khat17.
Very nice first post. wink2.gif

But, Feedback and Support is only for issues relating to the forums. This topic will be more appropriate in Computers and Technologies, a subforum inside Off - Topic Stuff.


* Topic moved from Feedback and Support -> Computers and Technologies *
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Posted: May 7 2006, 04:48 PM


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Try the K-Lite Codec Pack, it's everything you will ever need.

http://www.free-codecs.com/download/K_Lite_Codec_Pack.htm
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Well I'd highly recommend CCCP as many anime fansub groups support it...
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Posted: May 9 2006, 06:39 PM


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QUOTE (Shonen @ May 8 2006, 10:43 AM)
Try the K-Lite Codec Pack, it's everything you will ever need.


word totally agree with you ever since I got the Klite codec pack and media player classic i could play any file I want except the ones that have been corrupted and stuffed up that is
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  Posted: May 10 2006, 01:18 AM


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Thanx to the moderators for moving my post to the appropriate location. RE what others have said, I have tried and used (aside from those listed above) K-Lite, All in One, Cole2K, Nimo, ACE, Codec 7.8h, The Codecs, Microsoft's Windows Media Codecs, and the mainstream codecs (individual install of DivX, Xvid, X264 etc.) and as far as I've seen and tested, those i've listed (in order - CCCP / Satsuki / Defilter) are the best packages. As was stated, and as is in the CCCP FAQ (http://www.cccp-project.net/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ) it is bad to install multiple codecs. I know this from experience. But, as with CPU's and Graphics Cards, it will all come down to personal preference. Granted it may work for some but not for all, do what works for you. My view will still stand. Unless you are doing encoding, I don't see the point of installing codecs, a filter pack works best. Less risk of messing up your machine. Also, if you need to do encoding, install the individual codec you need. Try it, you may like it wink2.gif.

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Posted: May 14 2006, 08:50 PM


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What would be the best pack for a mac?
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QUOTE (xxxkHOLiC @ Today at 9:45 PM)
What would be the best pack for a mac?

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=549398

I'm tempted to switch over as well, might just do it before the fall... let us know how the playback goes once you buy your MacBook.

Edit: BOZZY, not to my knowledge.

From CCCP's Wiki:

MacOS 10.x

* Not supported. Sorry, UNIX-based OS's doesn't support DirectShow. We recommend that you use MPlayer instead. Not the MPlayerOSX2 special version, since it's ancient, but the real commandline thing. We might provide a precompiled version of it sometime in the future (and in that case, that'll be the closest thing we ever get to a CCCP for Macs), but for now, you can read this guide on how to compile it yourself.


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Heh... Macs don't have codes really built for them, do they?
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Dammit, what about Linux then? >_>
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Well there is a round about way getting codecs to work... It depends on what distro you are running, but you pretty much want to install w32codecs from mplayer's homepage...
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Posted: May 20 2006, 09:15 PM


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QUOTE (BOZZY @ May 19 2006, 08:13 PM)
Well there is a round about way getting codecs to work...  It depends on what distro you are running, but you pretty much want to install w32codecs from mplayer's homepage...

If you're using Gentoo Portage, I believe it would be the win32codecs USEflag.

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K-Lite does all I need, but it doesn't play nice with Half-Life 2. Be warned.
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Posted: May 21 2006, 03:40 PM


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QUOTE (PhantomaZero @ Today at 10:04 AM)
K-Lite does all I need, but it doesn't play nice with Half-Life 2. Be warned.

This is why I'll never download a codec pack. The above is not the first time I've read about these packs not playing nicely with something on a system. I just download specific codecs as needed, better safe than sorry I feel.






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If you use VLC media player has the player, you get all the codecs when it's installed. No need to install furtur codecs.

Maybe... just the Quicktime one.

Oh. It's what I use so...
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Well, I'm seeing a lot of strong support for the K-Lite Codec Pack. Honestly, I think it's kinda like the CPU wars, and the graphics card wars. It' not a matter of what the benchmarks may say, it all comes down to personal preference in the end. If you've seen that a particular codec pack works for you, then fine.....run with it. My general argument is though, that unless you do encoding you don't need a codec. If you think that what you have works well for you, then you don't need anything else. But if it ever comes down to a reinstallation of Windows, and you'd like to check for a performance difference, you're welcome to trying any of my suggestions. And they're just that.......suggestions. As is personal preference, they're really just my point of view. If you don't like it, don't try it. If your interest is piqued, then research it and experiment. Hope the info helps, and hope we'll all have our PC's totally clutter free of excess codecs installed. A Jamaican saying is that "cats and dogs don't have the same luck" (puss an' dawg nuh ave di same luck), and what it means is that some of us may install a codec pack and never have a problem ever, while some of us may install it and have a few hitches, and others will install and have many troubles. Whatever works for you, use it. If you think you want to try something else, try it. Personally, I've tried a lot (listed previously in my posts) and as far as I've seen, CCCP is what I'll use. And if you do editing of the different encoded files (VirtualDub, TMPEGENC etc..), all you need to do is open FFDSHOW (installed with CCCP) and set the desired filters to be decoded by LIBACODEC. If you want either MPLAYER CLASSIC or ZOOMPLAYER (both installed by default) to play QUICKTIME or REAL MEDIA files without having to use the bulky Apple Quicktime installer or add another "player of everything" with RealPlayer, just get the REALALTERNATIVE and the QUICKTIME ALTERNATIVE, and go to the options in either program and associate with said formats. Links are below

REAL ALTERNATIVE
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Real_Alternative.htm

QUICKTIME ALTERNATIVE
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/QuickT...Alternative.htm

If you're one that doesn't want to install any codecs at all, you can use the VLC Media Player. It doesn't install any codecs......it has them all built into the program, and I have yet to come across a format that it doesn't play........but I think you'll still have to install the REAL ALTERNATIVE and QUICKTIME ALTERNATIVE in order to get it to play those formats (correct me if I'm wrong here). BSPLAYER is another good app, but as I said, it's all up to you. If it were up to me, I'd either install one of the filter packs listed in the first post, or VLC.

VLC PLAYER
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

Oh, and BTW even though I still stand by CCCP - I've seen one occasion where MPC in CCCP would not play one file, and it was a corrupted download of some movie that a friend had, and VLC played it nonetheless.......I think some of the video header information was crapped, and the audio info was totally whacked, and only the video would show........MPC in CCCP just couldn't render the file at all.........but that was only one instance, and my personal preference will let me stay by CCCP. I also have Portable VLC (http://portableapps.com - for anyone with a thumb drive) and I do use it on the road, so if I ever come across something that wont play with CCCP, then I always have VLC as a backup. If it doesn't play in either though.........believe me, it's not good (remembering the NFO about QT and RM).

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I would also like to add to the list KMPlayer.

http://www.download.com/The-KMPlayer/3000-...4-10659940.html

http://www.kmplayer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63

http://www.kmplayer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4094

http://www.kmplayer.com/forums/index.php

Basically it plays everything. And I mean everything. It even plays FLV!!! It's really nice. The ONLY problem I have with it was with a test file of an anime called "THE SKULL MAN" where - as an MKV - it loaded the subtitles kinda off. At least it didn't overlap them like VLC. This will become my secondary player, since it's fully portable as well. Check it out and post your findings.

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does k-lite really hav all the formats? i had to dump xvid to install it. i have no problems with it, though im just wondering wat its weakness are (if any). its the only codec on my laptop for a long time.

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This quote is from the CCCP wiki - which is at the top of the posts I made. Note the section in bold.

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Why Should I Use the CCCP?

Because we couldn't find a codec pack that worked in all the cases.

All the other codec packs that are around have at least one of the following problems:

They just don't work.
It's no good installing a codec pack if it doesn't help. The CCCP was put together to be able to play all the latest files by all anime groups and all videos in general.
They damage your system.

Some codec packs like the Nimo codec pack can actually cause damage to your system that can only be fixed with a format. Not cool. We wanted the CCCP to be a codec pack that was 100% safe. Please, if the CCCP ruins your system, tell us on our forums so we can fix it. Total number of irreversible errors caused by the CCCP:

They are bloated.
When a codec pack has five decoders that do the same thing (as K-Lite does), it's almost impossible to work out what the problem is if something breaks. With the CCCP, we wanted to create a compact codec pack, which had less annoying extras, and fewer places for problems to crop up in.


With the CCCP, we KNOW that when you install it properly, it just works. You don't need to mess around in the options to get it to work, and chances are it will resolve any other conflicts on install as well. We invented the CCCP so we can say "Uninstall everything else, install the pack and live forever happy". That said, for the adventurous there are pages of options available to tweak if you feel like it..


CCCP's latest version plays FLV off the bat as well, but KMPlayer has a helluva lot of features. As it stands, CCCP is my primary player/pack and KMPlayer is my secondary. Heh, VLC is now on back burner.

PeAcE.

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QUOTE (khat17 @ Yesterday at 11:14 PM)
I would also like to add to the list KMPlayer.

http://www.download.com/The-KMPlayer/3000-...4-10659940.html

http://www.kmplayer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63

http://www.kmplayer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4094

http://www.kmplayer.com/forums/index.php

Basically it plays everything. And I mean everything. It even plays FLV!!! It's really nice. The ONLY problem I have with it was with a test file of an anime called "THE SKULL MAN" where - as an MKV - it loaded the subtitles kinda off. At least it didn't overlap them like VLC. This will become my secondary player, since it's fully portable as well. Check it out and post your findings.

PeAcE.

It's simply the best video player around! I highly suggest it!
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And KMPlayer has two hands up over MPC in CCCP thus far.

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Downloads are:

1080p (High Quality) Trailer

Lower Quality Trailer

Teaser

Places to see (where I got the links):

http://www.jurassicpunk.com/movies/hitman.shtml

http://download.pchome.net/video/trail/64496.html


That's from another thread I have about HITMAN. SEE HERE FOR THAT. MPC wouldn't play the MOV files even with QT Alternative installed. KMPlayer did it just fine.

KMP is still my second though - as CCCP still works better IMO for SSA subs in an MKV.

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Kmplayer is Linux and Windows only, or is there a OSX version?
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Sorry BOZZY, It doesn't seem like there's an OSX port for the app. It's not totally unfair - you get HANDBRAKE as (one of) the best ripper out there, with only recent ports to Windows. Since KMP is new, a port to OSX may come out in the future.

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Bozz - wrong kmplayer. You can probably run this through Darwine though. I'll test it on regular WINE and see what happens. wink2.gif
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Tested KMplayer, hated it. It's basically VLC but with more bloat, not to mention that the normal, basic package only comes in Korean. The Multilanguage installer lacks a lot of the installation options that the original Korean installer has. That's a huge minus.

I've gone back and uninstalled it... I was hoping it would be a replacement for Windows Media Player but since it uses its own codecs instead of reaching out to the system, it's just as useful as VLC (and I already use VLC).

Now, if someone can link me to a video player that uses the same VMR layer as Windows Media Player but doesn't eat up CPU cycles uselessly, that would be awesome. I've tried every output config I know in Media Player Classic and it still doesn't use the same hardware acceleration layer as WMP. I can't figure it out.
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