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d3v | Posted: Sep 27 2007, 01:51 AM | ||
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But you don't get Reno's with suspensions by Lotus and engines by Cosworth now do you. | ||
MG starion | Posted: Sep 27 2007, 02:03 AM |
IDW Special Member Group: Members Posts: 277 Member No.: 25,401 Joined: Jul 19th 2007 Location: SA australia | thats why i said like i just dont like these sports car's by the budjet and marketing departments, |
d3v | Posted: Sep 27 2007, 05:15 PM | ||
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I don't know how you can call the GT-R a car by the budget and marketing department. Edit: It looks like the GT-R has the show all to itself as Honda wont be revealing the production version of it's next gen Acura supercar at Tokyo (instead revealing another concept). This post has been edited by d3v on Sep 27 2007, 06:20 PM | ||
Tomiya Takato | Posted: Sep 28 2007, 12:02 AM |
IDW Goldmember Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,088 Member No.: 11,663 Joined: Aug 30th 2005 Location: Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur. | 25 days more till debut |
chain_smoking_gc8 | Posted: Sep 28 2007, 10:54 AM |
IDW Expert Member Group: Members Posts: 125 Member No.: 24,715 Joined: Jun 4th 2007 Location: DFW | kind of off topic, but does anyone know if the nismo Super GT team would use the gtr next year or still using the z? |
EA11R | Posted: Sep 28 2007, 03:30 PM |
coffee break anyone? Group: Advanced Members Posts: 508 Member No.: 15,978 Joined: Feb 17th 2006 Location: Palmdale, CA | Now, I'm afraid of being called a fanboy, but I think I'll take the latter example. I honestly can't imagine one of the best Japanese cars arriving in America completely unmolested (note, that isn't sexual). I imagine they will dilute it with more comfortable and safe suspensions, oodles of sound insulation, more safety, (higher weight) and engine alterations to please the 'save the trees' crowd. That said, I believe it is already plenty diluted already; high power may be compensating for cornering performance, as in many American or Luxury cars, and, since many cars, GT-R included, gain wieght with every chassis change, I imagine well over 1600kg car for America and exactly 1600kg elsewhere. That said, it will be a nice car, but American availability and the passage of time (Engineers say "More weight? No problem! More power!") will make it much worse than the non-American GT-Rs. Though it will be entertaining to see it with rediculous price increases at the Infiniti dealers, followed by very large price drops as the car stops selling almost completely. Remember, if the NSX taught the world anything, it was this: Americans do not want expensive Japanese cars! |
d3v | Posted: Sep 28 2007, 05:58 PM |
DFV! The engine of champions! Group: Advanced Members Posts: 4,508 Member No.: 5,296 Joined: Jan 29th 2005 Location: in a Tropical Hut | More unofficial lap timing reports. http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/22/round-1...advantage-gt-r/ http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/25/but-wai...gunning-for-th/ This post has been edited by d3v on Sep 28 2007, 05:59 PM |
Tomo | Posted: Sep 29 2007, 08:40 PM |
Retired old man Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,210 Member No.: 9,983 Joined: Jul 8th 2005 Location: San Diego, California | did you guys catch this tiny little detail about the GTR? ...that this car WON'T BE AVAILABLE WITH A MANUAL TRANSMISSION? |
d3v | Posted: Sep 29 2007, 09:02 PM | ||
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DSG style flappy paddle, works fine with me. Besides, you ahve to remember that my current, most favoritest car in the world, the one vehicle I'd give my soul and a half to have, that stunning beauty queen that is the Aston Martin DB9, works best with a flappy paddle automatic. | ||
DK_2 | Posted: Sep 29 2007, 10:30 PM | ||
I wear purple pants. +1 Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,993 Member No.: 25,400 Joined: Jul 19th 2007 Location: Buena Park, California |
WTF. Even though I won't be able to drive till like 4-5 years from now that sucks. | ||
am3pkcet | Posted: Sep 29 2007, 10:40 PM | ||
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its not like anyone on this forum could actually afford to buy one anyway | ||
peemyTNBow | Posted: Sep 29 2007, 11:07 PM | ||
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If americans did not want expensive japanese cars, lexus, infiniti and acura would not be doing so well as they are, and keep in mind that even though the NSX did not sell as much, the 60,000 dollar Supra, and 90,000 NSX did play their part in the USA. And Current japanese emissions are just as strict or stricter than overall/average USA Standards (California excluded). Most tuned up street cars in japan have had/even more so now JASMA MEMBERSHIP (equivalent of say CARB Stickers). JASMA approved parts are basically street legal modifications so to speak. I am sure they will make the car with the option of either a V160 GETRAG 6 gear transmission or a new 6 speed all unique to this car. Even though it sucks that this car is heavy, but Nissan has always been a hard hitter when it comes to japanese performance machines, and i am sure this will do something good. The worse thing that could happen is that this car gets insulted by GTR purists and clumped along with the supposedly "failed" R33 GTR. Large, heavy and powerful, makes for a great highway assualt car, just like the R33 and Supra. This post has been edited by BmwNeoType on Sep 29 2007, 11:09 PM | ||
am3pkcet | Posted: Sep 30 2007, 01:42 AM |
IDASv3 > IDAS4 Group: Advanced Members Posts: 6,862 Member No.: 2,853 Joined: Aug 28th 2004 Location: San Diego, CA | actually, if the NSX tought us anything, its that people dont want to pay nearly 100,000$ for an underpowered, outdated, decade-and-a-half old car that had long since been surpassed by all of its competition, and was struggling to compete in power with cars 1/3 its price. |
d3v | Posted: Sep 30 2007, 01:51 AM |
DFV! The engine of champions! Group: Advanced Members Posts: 4,508 Member No.: 5,296 Joined: Jan 29th 2005 Location: in a Tropical Hut | If the NSX taught us anything, it's that the Japanese can go and make something that can threaten the Europeans (*cough*cough*ferrari*cough*) enough to make them stand up and change what they're doing. |
am3pkcet | Posted: Sep 30 2007, 01:59 AM |
IDASv3 > IDAS4 Group: Advanced Members Posts: 6,862 Member No.: 2,853 Joined: Aug 28th 2004 Location: San Diego, CA | ferrari were probably shaken up more in the 60s by ford then they ever were by the NSX. |
MidnightViper88 | Posted: Sep 30 2007, 02:04 AM | ||
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That argument's only good for, what, the first couple years of the NSX's life? The old cliché "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" doesn't exactly work for a car that essentially stays on the market for 15 years unchanged in the face of a growing and evolving competition...Honda may have comparitivly made Ferrari look cheap in quality at first, but towards the end of the NSX's life when Ferrari actually came out with newly competetive cars, they made Honda look like a bunch of lazy asses... | ||
d3v | Posted: Sep 30 2007, 02:18 AM | ||
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But the NSX was the wake up call that Ferrari couldn't just slap their badge on anything and sell it. Now if only Honda had continuted developing the car. | ||
Tomiya Takato | Posted: Sep 30 2007, 02:25 AM |
IDW Goldmember Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,088 Member No.: 11,663 Joined: Aug 30th 2005 Location: Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur. | http://rocketpunchautoblog.blogspot.com/20...rmed-floor.html 650 usd$ just for the floormat + fking stop with the arguements already if u wanna argue go and make a topic and argue the fk outta it This post has been edited by Tomiya Takato on Sep 30 2007, 02:28 AM |
MidnightViper88 | Posted: Sep 30 2007, 02:37 AM | ||
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After-the-fact comment, null. | ||
awdrifter | Posted: Sep 30 2007, 04:03 AM |
IDW Goldmember Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,170 Member No.: 15,255 Joined: Jan 5th 2006 Location: Update Profile | I can't wait. Definitely going to get a used one in a few years when they are down to the $30k range. |
peemyTNBow | Posted: Sep 30 2007, 07:32 AM |
Unregistered | They are in the 28,000 range for the 92-93 NSXs. When im looking to buy my next car next year i will consider it. It is not the fastest, but def an overall fun and great car! But i still love the FD, too... we shall see. The NSX was a fun, reliable, and practical sports car to compete with ferraris who were not exactly practical and reliable. In 1992 when 280 horsepower was a lot, the NSX was not exactly "underpowered". But due to the 280 hp regulation, and the fact that the car was naturally aspirated, its not exactly easy to just bump up the power levels so they developed the chassis and suspension to the point where tuners could just bump up the power and have a great car. I personally believe the NSX is a great value for 80,000 even new. Power is ok, that car has enough road presence alone. This post has been edited by BmwNeoType on Sep 30 2007, 07:38 AM |
DeeezNuuuts83 | Posted: Sep 30 2007, 07:54 AM |
IDW Goldmember Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,840 Member No.: 25,374 Joined: Jul 18th 2007 Location: Southern California | First of all, the NSX DID shake things up because it was such a strong competitor to Ferrari and Porsche at the time of its release, as it was easier to drive than both companies' current offerings (348 and 911/964) while being just as good of a performer and competitively priced. And a decent amount of people did want to pay its big pricetag during its first year. The fall of the NSX occurred because both Ferrari and Porsche struck back quickly with the much better engineered F355 and next-generation 911, respectively... both of which made huge jumps in capability compared to their predecessors. On top of that, NSX revisions came very slowly, and the model was left relatively unchanged over twelve years. Even with the bigger V-6 that it got in 1997 (usually after that period of time, the whole car gets replaced rather than getting a bump in displacement), it wasn't nearly enough. So it's not that it was a bad car or anything by any means, it's just that Honda was too focused on profiting on the massive sales of Accords and Civics through its constant R&D (good for business) rather than further developing its halo car that feeds the souls of car enthusiasts (bad for image)... consider it the complete opposite of what GM had been doing with the Corvette and the rest of their lineup. |
MattW | Posted: Sep 30 2007, 08:59 AM |
VOLVO For Life. Group: Advanced Members Posts: 6,069 Member No.: 23,273 Joined: Feb 17th 2007 Location: Southington Connecticut, USA | God the new GT-R is ugly. |
FinToy-83 | Posted: Sep 30 2007, 10:45 AM |
IDW Banned Member Group: Banned Posts: 2,975 Member No.: 14,568 Joined: Nov 24th 2005 Location: Varkaus, Finland | 2008 GT-R > BMW 130i 2 door hatch/135i coupe > 2008 Impreza. in that order. |
Tomo | Posted: Sep 30 2007, 10:50 AM | ||
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you're going to be waiting at least 5 years to even remotely be close to the 30k range on one of these. | ||
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