It also sounds like a future target for ricers.
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| Posted by: vwboyaf1 Aug 12 2007, 07:31 PM |
| I first saw this at autoblog.com, but lately I've been questioning their reporting, so I decided to get a better source. I know that the autoblog.com article was in the AE86 Mark II thread, but it was closed right after this story was posted. Since this is a more reputable source I kinda wanted to comment on it, because it is quite the update. Here is the AP story. http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2007/08/10/report_toyota_fuji_heavy_mull_new_car/ This seems that it will not have a weak ass 1.5 liter but a 2.0 liter H4 from a subby. Wait a minute! Is that not the engine that was in the first gen USDM WRX? Was that engine not turbocharged? Am I getting a little too excited? The answer is yes to all. |
| Posted by: Mitsubooshi Aug 12 2007, 07:34 PM |
| A turbocharged 2.0 liter car for $16,780? I'll believe that when I see it. Although offering it in the higher trim levels might be a possibility... |
| Posted by: vwboyaf1 Aug 12 2007, 07:45 PM |
| Your forgeting the USDM tariffs. The car will probably be about 20,000. Maybe it won't be turbocharged either. That would save money. All the the toyota gearheads will have to call up their suburu gearhead friends and get help installing their aftermarket turbo kits. There will be peace in the auto world. |
| Posted by: Frost Aug 13 2007, 06:24 PM |
| Having been a keen student of Toyota's business methods, I was very surprised to hear them buy 8 percent stake into Fuji. Now they are collaborating to build a car? I suppose this is more like what they did with GM and their NUMMI plant and the Pontiac Vibe. Just curious as to what they would gain out of this. |
| Posted by: DeeBo Aug 13 2007, 06:33 PM |
| Sounds interesting... It also sounds like a future target for ricers. |
| Posted by: Shirogane Aug 26 2007, 11:36 AM | ||
Please don't say that... Everytime someone mentions that, it ends up being too true..... |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Aug 26 2007, 12:34 PM |
| Interesting. It doesn't say 2.0L or turbocharged anywhere in the article, however. I would also like to point out something to you, VW. The current 2.5L N/A motor makes what, 170 HP? The 2.2L back in the day made about 130. A 2.0L... you see where this is going. Don't get your hopes up. If it's gonna be cheap, it's probably not going to be turbo. And if it's REALLY going to be cheap, that HP number ain't gonna be too hot either. |
| Posted by: Black_MKII Aug 26 2007, 01:29 PM |
| ^^^yeah, but still... when they builded the AE86, they didnt put the horsepower idea in their brain... |
| Posted by: Shale Aug 26 2007, 06:03 PM |
| Man if it’s just a sporty lil car it doesn’t NEED the turbo. Those engines when tuned can choke out nearly 200hp if they’re EJ20s they’re playing with. The turbotax shoots the price up by a good 10k each time anyway. It’ll at best be an EJ20 on a light body and an econo interior  Makes me think of an HX. LOL. |
| Posted by: DeeBo Aug 26 2007, 07:26 PM | ||
 I'm sorry, it's just that it has happened so many times. |
| Posted by: vhsfootball_82 Aug 26 2007, 08:31 PM |
| mmmmmmmmm.....interesting...... sounds nice and all.....but.......im still going to drop in a BT 20v 4AGE in it just kidding....... its funny.......looks like Bunta and Takumi are going to do the fuzion dance and combine the subie and trueno together..... but........ i dont think the engine will be turbocharged. I mean, wouldnt u guys rather have a high reving N/A car? i mean i love the sound of turbos too.....but the high pitch of high revs just gives me goose bumps........ |
| Posted by: Shale Aug 26 2007, 08:35 PM |
Give me 6 months and I'll be giving you video proof of a high-revving EJ20  |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Aug 26 2007, 09:35 PM | ||
1.) Come on, don't lie. It's a FACT that slapping a turbo onto an EJ20 is WORLDS cheaper than tuning it as a naturally aspirated engine.  2.) MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY! |
| Posted by: Shale Aug 26 2007, 09:52 PM |
Mechanically it's cheaper yes, to use turbo parts, but the turbo tax adds about 200% to the value of the finished vehicle  Proper balancing and forged internals able to handle high compression will throw out some good figures...not WRX fast but if the car is under a tonne that makes a difference. If it's a car designed for younger audiences...then there we go :3I'd foresee a slightly better built EJ20 with slightly higher compression pistons (SRX 10.5:1 perhaps) to choke out 165hp+...  |
| Posted by: vwboyaf1 Apr 9 2008, 09:15 AM |
| It seems we are getting closer to the wet dream. Could there be Impreza/Scion gatherings in the future? Only time will tell. Here is the latest article of renderings and speculation. http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/Subaru-Concepts/232133/# |
| Posted by: Dr.Ift Apr 9 2008, 09:41 AM | ||
Now I'm sold for that plan. |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 9 2008, 09:57 AM |
| I want it. I don't care. I want it. |
| Posted by: BlackSubaru Apr 9 2008, 10:26 AM |
| Under 200hp for a turbo 4? Weaksauce. |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Apr 9 2008, 11:48 AM | ||
You do realize that when the ae86 was released it had a lot of power compared to it's competition and weighed more then much of it. Civic/CRX Si's made what 105hp then and weighed not much around 1900lb's. The 4age was a fantastic engine in it's day. I'm been loosing faith in this new vehicle being worth a damn for awhile now. What it seems we should expect now would be something like an MRS.. with the engine in the front, less horsepower and more weight. Last I checked they couldn' event confirmed it to be a 2+2... I predict this car to be a massive disappointment Going some rumors it appears as if BMW is making the ae86..  Here's a juicy one. BMW Blog reports that it has two unnamed, independent sources who have spoken of a high-revving (how does 11,000 rpm sit with you?) new four-cylinder being developed for use in the 1-series. The power target of this fantasy mill is said to be 220 to 260 horsepower, and it would theoretically be offered in both naturally aspirated and twin-turbocharged forms. *yes, it wont be as lightweight as the old ae86, but then again, 3000lb's today is the new 2000lb's from the 80's.. heh :/ |
| Posted by: twitchykun Apr 9 2008, 12:34 PM |
with all the clamor from insurance companies calling for a return to RWD, the possibility of a RWD coupe seems likely. And if this does fall through, then i'm gonna be one of the first people in line to get one =P.  |
| Posted by: Tofik Apr 9 2008, 12:52 PM | ||
 
Compact, lightweight, fast RWD sports coupe in 20k $ range? Sounds great to me! Now let's have our fingers crossed for this to happen. |
| Posted by: twitchykun Apr 9 2008, 12:57 PM |
| https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=30941 I propose a merge with the above topic, but props to you for posting some pictures. I like. Like I said before, if this does go through, then you can bet your ass that I'm gonna be in line waiting to buy one. |
| Posted by: Tofik Apr 9 2008, 01:05 PM |
| Whoops, my bad. I guess i'm blind... |
| Posted by: thx712517 Apr 9 2008, 01:18 PM |
| I may hold off on an NC Miata just to see if this coupe is worth it. |
| Posted by: sideways Apr 9 2008, 02:42 PM |
| God a boxer engine? I hope not. |
| Posted by: The Stig Apr 9 2008, 02:49 PM | ||
We'll it is looking like it will be. Hoping won't save you bwahahahaha |
| Posted by: sideways Apr 9 2008, 03:10 PM |
| Maybe i should pray to god. Surely if he can make man from dust and woman from a single rib, he can stop toyota from doing such a god-aweful thing |
| Posted by: Shale Apr 9 2008, 03:22 PM |
| Yup. OLD news...but cool news. Ironic that the Hachi-Roku's replacement is a Subaru. This is 86-Meets-Buntamobile But yes. Needs a merge. And hopefully they bloody decided to upsize the rear diff too. For all those that thought the 2.0 H4 was pisswater, I guess that's a fork in the eye for ya Don't base the EJ20 on the EJ25 175hp is the expected according to the article, and Subaru often does conservative estimation (call it cheating the gentleman's agreement?)This and the NA STi concept are going to prove interesting. Edit by Sideways: Double post fixed Edit: cheers for that |
| Posted by: MattW Apr 9 2008, 03:49 PM | ||
Erm, no, try that BMW is making a remake of the old BMW 2002 turbo. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Apr 9 2008, 03:55 PM | ||
I'm telling you... Shigeno knew the future or something... The main character/hero cars in Initial D are the Trueno and the Impreza... creepy how both cars are being slammed together now... There'd better be a 2 door/3 door AWD turbo version headed to us folks in Canada!!! |
| Posted by: Shale Apr 9 2008, 04:02 PM |
| If they did that it would be an Impreza. You already have one |
| Posted by: Dave Rodgers Apr 9 2008, 04:19 PM |
| Holy shit that's a really nice car |
| Posted by: Möbius Apr 9 2008, 04:20 PM | ||
Don't hold your breath for anything exciting to hit our shores. *Topic Merged* |
| Posted by: sideways Apr 9 2008, 04:32 PM | ||
Tbh im all down for the performance of the boxer engine. Sure theyre a bit heavy but theyre far back and low, a very nice perk. I just cant stand working on the things. Very problem prone across the entire problem-spectrum (Just type in "cel" at nabiscos search), and theres very little technical support from the clue-less owners because of how difficult they are to work on. |
| Posted by: Shale Apr 9 2008, 04:52 PM |
| What? Only thing that's hard to work on there is the wretched sparkies, isn't it? :/ We've always found them pretty easy to mangle through, provided you have a few clues. |
| Posted by: Drew Apr 9 2008, 05:06 PM |
Once again, call out the ID fanboys.  "OMFG! THAT IS JDM TYTE, YO! IMMAH GONNA BE RIPPIN IT UP LIEK TEH TAKUMI FUJIWARA DOWN TEH AKINA BECOMIN DA NEW DRIFT KING, YO!" I'm fine with my Spitfire for now thank you. Maybe I'll buy one and drive it every time the British engineering fails in epic proportions. |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 9 2008, 05:29 PM | ||
So it'll be your daily driver then? |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 9 2008, 06:58 PM | ||
DAMMIT he beat me to it!!!! YAY BRITISH ELECTRICS! |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Apr 9 2008, 07:49 PM | ||
your stole the words right out of my mouth i just adore the ae86, and this is like one of my dreams come true, seriously no joke. |
| Posted by: twitchykun Apr 9 2008, 07:53 PM | ||
you have no idea how happy that post made me.  |
| Posted by: Shale Apr 9 2008, 07:53 PM |
| Guys guys guys. Let them dream, we can watch and laugh as they discover the hard way that all new cars have stability and traction control |
| Posted by: Fast Apr 9 2008, 08:35 PM |
| Rear drive with a Subaru flat-4? Sounds delicious to me. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 9 2008, 08:47 PM |
| no top down no care |
| Posted by: peemyTNBow Apr 9 2008, 09:27 PM |
| I really dislike the way the subaru N/A Flat 4's sound, it takes a lot for even the turbo one to grow on me. I refuse to drive a car that has an engine that sounds like a broken RB26 or 2jz-gte. I will pay more for a nicer car. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 9 2008, 10:38 PM |
| I'll believe that this exists when I see it. Until then it's just more rumormill hogwash. |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 9 2008, 10:52 PM | ||
But what will Turbo Levin 13 drive when his magnificent piece of British Engineering breaks down? |
| Posted by: Tomiya Takato Apr 9 2008, 11:22 PM |
sorry for the big pics (rwd scion) The good news is that Scion has developed a rear-wheel drive version of its compact coupe, the tC. The bad news for all us RWD-lovers is that the RS*R tC was created to compete in Formula Drift events and not to go on sale for the public to enjoy. The conversion, that was performed by aftermarket specialist, RS*R, was able to be done thanks to the fact that the tC shares its platform with Toyota's Japanese market Avensis four-wheel drive and Caldina all-wheel drive. RS*R changed the tC's stock transverse engine configuration to a longitudinal setup in order to drive power, through the transmission and drive shaft, directly to the rear wheels. While the stock tC is equipped wit a 161 Hp 2.4-liter engine, the RS*R features a 3SGE Beams motor, HKS GT3037 turbo and intercooler, Blitz Dual SBC boost controller, and AEM EMS engine management system that outputs more than 400 HP.           might have nothing to do with this but still......... sauce: http://www.drift.com.my/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22026 |
| Posted by: Shale Apr 10 2008, 12:17 AM |
| ...guess this has almost as much to do with the Impreza as this thing. Absolutely nothing XD |
| Posted by: Tofik Apr 10 2008, 08:59 AM | ||
Confirmation from Toyota.
In case someone missed, sketches're in my previous post: https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=30941&view=findpost&p=952723 |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 10 2008, 10:16 AM |
| how about some 2grfe goodness instead of this boxer engine. |
| Posted by: twitchykun Apr 10 2008, 10:39 AM |
| well, now that we know it's coming, I suppose that we have to play the good ol' waiting game. At least it gives me time to save up enough for a down payment =P. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 10 2008, 01:31 PM |
Oh. Shit.  Well, um, damn it. Now I have to figure out how I'm gonna save up the cash. Feck. |
| Posted by: Shale Apr 10 2008, 01:42 PM |
| That won't be hard, it's just a cheap lil Toyota Hurrhurr |
| Posted by: vwboyaf1 Apr 10 2008, 02:12 PM |
| OMG, OMG, OMG, I sharted a little. I wonder what they will call it. Will it be a Scion? Hmmm. This is pretty cool. I'll take mine in cocaine white with a TRD suspension and some old school 16 inch black rims. I've been waiting for this car since I was 22 years old. I'll be 33 when it debuts. It won't be a very practical family car, but I grew up in a 87 celica gt-s, and it won't be my only car. Since everybody has been giving toyota shit about giving us a RWD coupe, we better show them the money or they will never trust this demographic again. They will go back to selling auto-appliances and making a shit load of money. Since I'll be living in Japan when it debuts, perhaps I'll get a JDM model. It is hard for Americans to buy new cars over there though, because we don't have established credit. I guess I'll just wait and buy one when I get back to the states. Oh well, cruising around in an old aristo for 5 years is still pretty cool. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Apr 10 2008, 03:00 PM |
| WHATEVER MAN! I'll stick with oldschool-ness! Classic Impreza and 80's rear wheel drive corollas for me pureeeeez! |
| Posted by: sideways Apr 10 2008, 07:28 PM |
| I cant just see it now. The Scion Ae. Well ive a few years- Ill buy myself a F20 and hide it in storage until this thing comes out so i can rip out that motor and throw in a proper engine . |
| Posted by: BlackSubaru Apr 10 2008, 11:07 PM |
| I've got a feeling it will be a Lexus. |
| Posted by: sideways Apr 10 2008, 11:15 PM |
| The point is to keep it CHEAP. Meaning they wouldnt slap a lexus badge on it. |
| Posted by: Frost Apr 11 2008, 07:48 AM |
| Lexus already has a car in the works to be built as competition to the BMW 1 series so I doubt this cheap RWD car will be badged as a Lex. Looks interesting but 2011 is a long ways off. |
| Posted by: BlackSubaru Apr 11 2008, 10:32 AM |
| Maybe it'll be the next gen Prius? MR instead of FF. |
| Posted by: vwboyaf1 Apr 11 2008, 10:40 AM |
| I don't understand why it takes until 2011 to get a car production ready. Are they building a new plant or something? |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 11 2008, 11:11 AM |
More magazine scans... got these from over on the SVX forums, for reasons that are obvious on the second scan.   |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Apr 11 2008, 12:20 PM |
| They need to put the STi bits in that. |
| Posted by: sideways Apr 11 2008, 02:36 PM | ||
Legal tape jumping and paper work. Should it be this or this? What about this? What about these options? Every last detail of that car has to be decided upon- and id be more then willing to bet each decision takes a good bit of time. Once theyre decided upon it has to all be custom built, how the chassis is made need to be created, each body panel needs to be molded and mass produced, carpet kits proper for the car need to be put together, all the interior bits need to be produced. What about suspension design, test, and production? Then it all has to be assembled. All this for a car that, as far as i know- they havent even truely "started" on yet, and are still on the production board. To complicate things even more, this is FAR from the only car toyota is designing making and mass producing, every car in their line up is constantly being thought out and theyre attempting to improve upon it with a next model, before the current model is even finished. imo, 3 years seems like a decent amount of time to jump through all those hoops, when you consider everything else. But ya it still does suck for people like me Ill be 25 by the time that thing comes out. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Apr 11 2008, 03:43 PM | ||
... Can it be? a 22B for the 21st century? Hmmm... Interesting... *scratches chin* |
| Posted by: Shale Apr 11 2008, 04:55 PM |
| OMFG NEW SVX/XT OMFG OMFG <3 <3 <3 I'd tap that. Headlights are very...concept. Glad they never follow through when they come up with their honda-on-drugs ideas XD |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 11 2008, 07:07 PM | ||
Funny thing was, when I first saw the thread on the SVX forums, and saw the first pic of the tail-lights, I was like... "Wow, that looks like an SVX tail, almost." And then I saw the pic of the SVX lol. |
| Posted by: Shirogane Apr 11 2008, 07:33 PM | ||
Too good to be true, Nomake. Too good to be true. And I think their first car, out of sources, when they made their ties with Toyota, was the Camry, right?  |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Apr 11 2008, 08:02 PM | ||
The good ome to those who wait... Hmm...3 years!  perfect! ill be 16! wow this is just getting better and better...i knew my dream will come true some day. |
| Posted by: Shirogane Apr 11 2008, 08:29 PM | ||
Well, kiss that dream goodbye, cause sooner or later, the Reps would change the law prohibiting sports cars to anyone 17 or under by 2011 or later. |
| Posted by: MattW Apr 11 2008, 08:44 PM |
| I have to say, the Celica thing on the first scan, looks awesome. |
| Posted by: vwboyaf1 Apr 11 2008, 08:52 PM | ||
Can a 16 year old afford this car? If your parents buy it for you, earn it. Take care of it. Don't rice it, drift it, or even race it. Take care of it like it is your child. If you do have the money to buy this car, spend it on college, get a degree, get a job, a house, a dog, then get yourself a sweet sports car. You are only 13, get your damn priorities straight. |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Apr 11 2008, 09:04 PM | ||||
yeah im not like the other 13 year olds, i actually like mechanics, not how cars look or how fast i can go, or how long i can slide it, and yeah my dad and i have a thing for cars and he says he'll most likely buy it for me. and i have earned it (according to him)  PS: and about the college, my grandparents payed it for me when i was born
please tell me you're joking |
| Posted by: Shirogane Apr 11 2008, 09:17 PM | ||
I do agree with vwboyaf1. Why spend tons of money on a sports car when you could buy something more practical, like a Scion? And no, I'm not joking. And fix your grammar, please. |
| Posted by: sideways Apr 12 2008, 12:26 AM |
| If original goals are met this car will cost about what a scion does no a days. i REALLY hate the whole "you dont NEED one of these cars" comments, seriously. He knows it, I know it, you know it, WE ALL know it. To some cars arent just a way to get from point a to b, nore should" they be. To others it a fun toy so you might as well get something youll enjoy. |
| Posted by: M|st Apr 12 2008, 03:01 AM |
| is there any hope this car reaches australia ? Imprezas sell like wildfire here. |
| Posted by: Ayako Watanabe Apr 12 2008, 05:14 AM |
| We'll supposedly the rwd RS*R tC is gonna make its debut today on ESPN2...though it would be nice to know at WHAT time. |
| Posted by: Jardim Apr 12 2008, 01:13 PM |
| The 2.0 boxer engine is the same one used in the WRC right? with some heavy tuing you could prbably get that tiny RWD Toyobaru going REALLY FAST! |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Apr 13 2008, 05:52 AM | ||
OR swap something ALREADY fast...F20C, F22C, SR20, the list goes on...  |
| Posted by: vwboyaf1 Apr 13 2008, 07:31 AM | ||
Or you could just buy a car that is really fast already. The point of this car is not to be a crazy fast sports car. If they are really going to be true to the original intentions of the AE86, it will be a very economical and practical sports coupe. Something that helps the driver find their own true potential. 2600 pounds and 170 hp will be perfect for me thank you. Perhaps an LSD, a conservative suspension set up, and upgraded brakes, will be all I need. Leave the heavy tuning to the STI's, Evo's, 370z's, Genesis Coupe, or whatever else was actually designed to go fast. I see too many perfectly good vehicles get destroyed in the persuit of speed, because they were never meant to produce hundreds of horsepower in the first place. |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Apr 13 2008, 09:22 PM | ||
if you put it that way, yeah i agree, but if someone were to put this car in a race car form, or a track form for some hardcore racing, then what i said would go into place |
| Posted by: The Stig Apr 13 2008, 10:29 PM |
| Miguel people will just be swapping in WRX and STi motors, plus not as much fabrication hassle. Of course, this is my forecast. |
| Posted by: Jardim Apr 23 2008, 11:31 PM | ||
Like that 600 hp AE86 whooooo weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| Posted by: Tomiya Takato May 28 2008, 06:40 PM |
Bumping !! TOKYO — As if paying homage to Subaru, Toyota is co-developing a new lineup of rear-wheel-drive sporty coupes employing a revised version of the Subaru Impreza's platform, boxer engine and transmission. Toyota's largest contribution to the mix will be product planning and its impeccable quality control. More: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=126521#3 |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan May 28 2008, 09:03 PM |
| https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=30183&view=findpost&p=967693 And that's all I've got to say about that. |
| Posted by: Tomiya Takato May 29 2008, 03:30 AM |
| Well, what'd you expect we took the source from another source |
| Posted by: Dave Rodgers May 29 2008, 03:35 AM |
| That car is unashamedly ugly to behold. I can HEAR how ugly it is. |
| Posted by: twitchykun May 29 2008, 06:20 AM | ||
We can only hope that the concept improves on that design. The mechanicals have still got my attention, however. |
| Posted by: Rudy May 29 2008, 11:24 AM | ||
You kidding? That car looks like a Ford Focus that actually got some agression injected into it. I love it! |
| Posted by: vwboyaf1 May 29 2008, 05:40 PM |
| It looks like another Best Car rendering. I hate that magazine. Nothing but speculation. The final car will probably look like a cross between a matrix and an impreza but lower and wider. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R May 29 2008, 06:09 PM |
| As long as there's an awd option, and it comes with a hoodscoop and a big rear spoiler. I'm all good |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl May 29 2008, 07:22 PM | ||
 are you kidding me? ... N-E ways, this car is going to be my kind of car being the AE86 Fanboy That i am, and the car will come out when i get my licence so this is perfect! not to mention that i love that rendering |
| Posted by: Fast May 29 2008, 07:38 PM | ||
No, Demon isn't kidding. Those features are damned requirement on a sporty Subaru. |
| Posted by: Ayako Watanabe May 29 2008, 09:38 PM | ||
Well its a must for every Subaru. But, pardon if this will cause some bad thoughs or something.... ....but do we really need another AWD vehicle? Right now im not even sure if this supposive RWD concept is either going to be a Subaru or a Toyota ( or if their gonna make changes and what not and who gets to claim it as theirs by adding their badge despite the engine and what not). |
| Posted by: Akira May 30 2008, 01:31 PM |
| I don't think any REAL homage needs to be paid to subaru, it's already got it's engine! I could almost care less about the styling, but why not stick to the original plan of a small, compact, cheap, clean rwd car? |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R May 30 2008, 05:38 PM | ||
Real homage does indeed need to be paid. No explanation needed. 'Nuff said. As for me kidding? The thousands of millions of WRX DEMANIACS have spoken. I do not kid (when it comes to subaru stuff ). |
| Posted by: vwboyaf1 May 30 2008, 06:07 PM |
| You'd get 3 mpg more on the freeway if you took that retarded wing off. I loved that stealth STI that subaru made last year. Anyway, this car should be designed to compete with the hyundai coupe, and the upcoming nissan S16. |
| Posted by: EA99 May 30 2008, 06:17 PM |
| Im still against a toyota sounding subaru |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer May 30 2008, 09:44 PM | ||
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| Posted by: Akira May 30 2008, 09:51 PM |
| The reason I don't think so is because it will almost deffinately go against what they first wanted, and what most people wanted! A cheap, light, 2-door rwd car!! A boxer engine is one thing.. but anything beyond will drive up the price. Yhen there goes the dream of having another CHEAP rwd car on the market. This isn't going to be a new "AE86" after they're done, it'll just be fanservice, and at a hefty price. I for one would like to see a rwd honda civic competitor back on the market!! |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Jun 5 2008, 02:31 PM |
 http://news.windingroad.com/wp-gallery2.php?g2_itemId=44775 http://news.windingroad.com/category/spy-shots/ |
| Posted by: Shale Jun 5 2008, 02:46 PM |
| LOL Legacy. SRSLY. That's a fscking huge mule. |
| Posted by: Jardim Jun 5 2008, 08:51 PM |
| That is definetly a whide body Legacy. |
| Posted by: Shirogane Oct 26 2008, 08:39 AM | ||||
Here's a more rendered concept.
Yes, you UK Petrolheads, prepare for a new Supra coming to your location soon. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Oct 26 2008, 10:06 AM |
| wow it looks interesting. i really hope Autocar is wrong about them not selling it as a WRX/STi/Turbocharged Subaru. |
| Posted by: ToyotaFan84 Oct 26 2008, 10:21 AM |
| This.... Or an S16...... Thank god I have tons of time to decide and save up money. What really caught my eye was that FR Scion! It sounds like all they did was rotate the engine! I need more details. Because if it's not TOO expensive. I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT TO MY CELICA! |
| Posted by: Ayako Watanabe Oct 26 2008, 10:23 AM |
| It reminds me of a TVR up front. |
| Posted by: backalleyracer Oct 26 2008, 01:04 PM |
| reminds me of a SC front end |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 26 2008, 05:42 PM | ||
This. And, the description of the first render is awful. Just say it looks like a Ferrari 612/599. |
| Posted by: zAE86BoYz Oct 26 2008, 10:03 PM |
| Looks like a Lotus Elise |
| Posted by: Sensation! Oct 26 2008, 10:18 PM |
| I hope they wont sell it as a scion :S not a big fan of the scion brand, and im sure there's many others like me as well |
| Posted by: vwboyaf1 Oct 27 2008, 04:06 AM |
| Its not going to look like that because it is currently 2008, not 1998. Seriously have we seen any of these renderings reflect the actually product? Ever? I'm not giving them anymore of my attention. |
| Posted by: outlaw-2 Oct 27 2008, 07:25 AM | ||
Why does the front remind me of this... Toyota Soarer...  |
| Posted by: brian mayhem Oct 27 2008, 09:57 AM |
| Looks more like a Ford Escort ZX2 and a Hyundai Tiburon got it on. At least, the black one does. The blue? I like it. |
| Posted by: Shirogane Oct 27 2008, 02:39 PM | ||
WAITING for someone to say this FOR ONCE. |
| Posted by: Alex Oct 28 2008, 01:27 PM | ||
I totally spotted that too haha |
| Posted by: Shale Oct 28 2008, 02:31 PM |
| It looks like a turd. Wtf. Hope the Subaru version doesn't have those absurd headlights. :/ |
| Posted by: Shirogane Oct 28 2008, 03:36 PM | ||
If it had that and an H6 engine, would you buy it? REGARDLESS of its looks? |
| Posted by: Shale Oct 28 2008, 04:13 PM |
| Nope. I wouldn't S201 is as ugly as I'd ever buy. But that's 220kW and goes 300kn/h, so go figure  If it looked more like either an 86 or a GC8, I'd consider it. Lol |
| Posted by: Shirogane Oct 28 2008, 05:00 PM | ||
...But that styling's old....... You ruined the fun. T_T |
| Posted by: Shale Oct 28 2008, 05:01 PM |
| I'm a GIRL it HAS to look at least somewhat good, and for me somewhat retro - it's not the size of the boat but how awesomely it sails |
| Posted by: Shirogane Oct 28 2008, 05:40 PM | ||
 Something like THAT, huh?! EDIT: I wished the concept would turn to something like this, I want the SVX back. |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Oct 28 2008, 05:48 PM | ||
[fanboy] wow your right AE86styling FTW! [/fanboy] PS: your a girl?! wow i deserve a slap in the head for not knowing that before |
| Posted by: Shale Oct 28 2008, 05:56 PM |
| >_> I've been on IDW for over 2 years now I think...and people STILL don't know I'm a girl?! O___o;; OMG. Re: SVX...they're okay, not my thing though. Low 2-door thingies seem a bit flamey for me. I prefer the more meaty, manly rally style cars :3 Which is one of my primary reasons for disliking this concept here. |
| Posted by: Kōzō Hoshino Oct 28 2008, 05:59 PM | ||
I knew. https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=5562&st=4875 |
| Posted by: Shale Oct 28 2008, 06:49 PM |
| And I'm thinner than that now too, since I haven't eaten in days. Mmmm emotional trauma. ...now if they made the AE86/GC8 hybrid look more like Shale, I'd have it mmmmmm gold wheels. |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 28 2008, 06:59 PM | ||
What if the SVX was used in rallying instead of the WRX? |
| Posted by: Sensation! Oct 28 2008, 07:29 PM | ||||
since you brought that up, it almost reminds me of this  almost :p |
| Posted by: Shale Oct 28 2008, 11:23 PM | ||
Then I'd be into the WRX and the Legacy GT. The only 2-door I'd be seen in is a Type R. Possibly Christine.Sensation...that Celica is actually quite nice eh :3 This concept might just be a flashback to that too. |
| Posted by: Fast Feb 18 2009, 01:12 PM |
 http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/18/toyota-subaru-fr-sports-car-code-named-086a-will-include-direct/ The Subayota coupe will be code-named 086a and will have direct injection. Delayed due to complications of implementing a direct injection system to the Subaru flat-4. My wishes of a direct-injected, turbo motor in a future STI are almost coming true! |
| Posted by: ToyotaFan84 Feb 18 2009, 01:46 PM |
| Aaaaah! Screw modding my Celica, I'm going to save all my money for this and tune this car! |
| Posted by: twitchykun Feb 18 2009, 02:13 PM |
| my comment is the second one there "brb, delivering mah tofu". |
| Posted by: Ayako Watanabe Feb 18 2009, 02:21 PM | ||
I knew it was someone from /idw/, lol |
| Posted by: Shirogane Feb 18 2009, 02:51 PM | ||
Well, Goodbye Tundra, Hello This. @Twitch: I knew it was you that placed that comment. |
| Posted by: ToyotaFan84 Feb 18 2009, 03:21 PM | ||
LOL, that was you? XD I laughed when I read that comment. |
| Posted by: sideways Feb 18 2009, 06:28 PM |
| Has some potential depending on the price. Though the genesis coupes are looking rather promising.. |
| Posted by: Fast Feb 18 2009, 06:46 PM |
Didn't notice this until now... Just sayin'. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Feb 18 2009, 08:44 PM |
| ^ dont even start with that. This thing looks good. It`s just missing something from the hood and the rear trunk could use something else. I`ll take one in rally blue pearl with gold rims, or bright red with gold rims. Btw, Ew. Yuck. 086A? Talk about poor taste of codes. I would have much preferred something along the lines of 0gc8A. LOL. I kid I kid. What`s this about a Toyota Subaru factorY??! Wont this car be built by the hardworking Brazilians at Subaru HQ over in Ota, Gunma? The new plant better be in Gunma! So i can check it out!!! Anyhoo, it looks good, but it could look better. I`m going to have a go at chopping it with gimp when i get home tonight. I wonder if the Subaru version will be named Impreza. I think that would be awesome. Return of the Impreza Coupe. It would be sweet to park that baby next to Christine (look at sig) when she`s more heavily tuned and swapped. |
| Posted by: peemyTNBow Feb 18 2009, 08:46 PM |
| It's going to be tough to beat the 2.0L Turbo R-Spec genesis in this bracket because A) the car is almost already here in mass numbers and the aftermarket has a huge leap on it. B ) It's pretty good value for the money Toyota needs to do something pretty far out to compete on a value fight. But, as of yet, i am not waiting for anything because i will believe it when i see one at the local auto show in production trim. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Feb 18 2009, 08:52 PM |
| Thing is this though, Subaru and Toyota have a more loyal following than Hyundai does. It was like the sole reason why Subaru was doing well this year. Several comments on other boards I`ve seen point out that many people like the bang for buck the genesis offers, but that they`d rather not bank on something, which well, was built in Korea. But yeah, there will definitly be some competition especially with the target market both companies are aiming for. Inexperienced young people will probably jump on the genesis. |
| Posted by: peemyTNBow Feb 18 2009, 09:30 PM |
| The koreans have done one thing though, they have taken advantage of the aftermarket, and pretty much have used HKS, Trust, Tanabe and all the big japanese companies to do the tuning and marketing for them. People are starting to know the Genesis mainly from what HKS has been doing with the car. GT30R powered genesis coupes are already putting down 400 whp. The US market genesis models are better equipped and cheaper in price than the korean versions. If it's one thing toyota does not have a following these days, it's sports cars. The IS-F is getting flogged by Bimmers and Benz's in magazine tests. Subaru's name can only beef up the image so much. And the genesis has already been released, and people are starting to get their cars. It's tough when you have a car that: -Has a motor that has pretty much everything you want in a "go fast" turbo motor. (4B11-T). -Monoblock Brembo calipers that are bigger than the EVO 9 Brembos. -Offers a standard Torsen LSD -Proper drivetrain -Has a track specific model that is cheaper (to appeal to tuners and racers) -Is priced around 21,000-29,000 depending on trim -Has a 100,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty -Hyundai also has been working keenly with MB and AMG on various components of their cars: transmissions, chassis, suspension etc. |
| Posted by: sideways Feb 19 2009, 12:12 AM |
| ^-- I know I dont usually agree with you on things like this, but exactly. If the new toyota whatever is under 20k, itll have a chance. That my prediction. Toyota needs to stop beating around the bush. |
| Posted by: Tomo Feb 19 2009, 12:36 AM |
| it does nothing for me? I have zero interest in it... unless Toyota really decides to change things up a bit before a release... |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Feb 19 2009, 01:47 AM |
AAAAAND TADA!!!!!!!!!! I call it, the Subaru Impreza, WRX DEMON STi. Aint it just bad-ass? LOL, gimme a break i did that shit job with gimp and paint, and i suck at art. |
| Posted by: vwboyaf1 Feb 19 2009, 03:16 AM | ||
yeah, I can tell you "winged" it. blah. |
| Posted by: twitchykun Feb 19 2009, 06:23 AM |
| yep, there's nothing much else I can do at work. |
| Posted by: Takeiuchi Feb 19 2009, 07:01 AM |
| This would be nice to be driving by the time I get my license. |
| Posted by: MattW Feb 19 2009, 07:59 AM | ||
Still looks like a Toyota. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Feb 19 2009, 08:12 AM |
| I think you are right. I wonder what subaru will do to differentiate it. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 19 2009, 09:23 AM |
Shit, the way Demon did it, now it reminds me of a Tiburon.  Bmw is right though... they need to price this thing to kill or it ain't goin' anywhere. |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Feb 19 2009, 01:15 PM | ||
How much is this car going to weigh? Last I heard it's expected to be in around 3400lb's+. But I agree, I hope toyota isn't half assing this car. I still expect them to drop the ball on it though, giving us an forgettable car that is over weight and underpowered by a clusterf**k of an engine... then of course blame it on the market when no one buys is and goes back to making boring fwd corolla sedans with S badges. |
| Posted by: peemyTNBow Feb 19 2009, 03:34 PM |
| The 2.0L Fully loaded is supposed to be around 3400 lbs (give like 200 more with driver and fluids). Regardless, the R-Spec is supposed to shed a few pounds by taking out stuff and with a lesser price tag. The power and chassis MAY most likely make up for the heavier heft since this motor seems to respond very well to modifications. HKS Type S intercooler, Legamax exhaust, Suction kit, SSQV BOV, Circle earth and like some other small bolt ons yielded close to 280 whp on the RS Turbo. The V6 will probably compete against the new Z car if anything (which considering the caliber of the 370Z is a tough fight other than in price and warranty). The V6 models with header and exhaust have dynoed just shy of 290 something horsepower (which for a new car is not bad power to weight ratio). The new toyota car has to do A LOT to stack up. Not just price, but options, how they market this car, styling and at least a factory boosted motor. The car has to be priced right, has to respond the right way with the aftermarket, has to have a good motor, proper drivetrain, etc etc...to truly compete. |
| Posted by: sideways Feb 19 2009, 03:39 PM |
| Factory boosted motor wont happen. I expect that to reflect in the price however. |
| Posted by: vwboyaf1 Feb 20 2009, 04:16 AM |
| 2,000,000 yen in Japan or in the states. You would have to add about another 2,500 for tariffs, and then depending on what the yen rate is doing, the car could be as much as 25,000 dollars. |
| Posted by: phonebook Feb 26 2009, 08:43 AM |
| http://www.freep.com/article/20090226/BUSINESS01/902260376/1014/Subaru-Toyota+compact+project+is+on+hold It's officially put on hold guys. |
| Posted by: BOZZ Feb 26 2009, 08:48 AM |
| Awn, I guess it is to be expected with the economy the way it is these days... |
| Posted by: twitchykun Feb 26 2009, 09:21 AM |
| damnit, that 4 door Civic Si is getting closer and closer. WHY TOYOTA WHY?! |
| Posted by: AzNMaVbOi Feb 26 2009, 09:29 AM | ||
Or you could just be like me and start saving up for a used S2k...that's if you don't really care about practicality anymore. I was actually looking forward to the Subayota/Toyobaru as it looked very promising. But now that it's on hold, I'm going to go back to my plan of saving up for a used S2k. |
| Posted by: shinn Feb 26 2009, 11:22 AM |
| RWD + Boxer = win. All of toyotas rwd sports cars have been successful. |
| Posted by: phonebook Feb 26 2009, 12:27 PM | ||
What the hell is this supposed to mean? Apparently someone didn't get the memo... |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Feb 26 2009, 01:12 PM | ||
IF this is true, I'll be sure to hear something about it here in Gunma. I hope it aint true. |
| Posted by: shinn Feb 26 2009, 03:43 PM | ||
I never stated that I didn't know they put the car on hiatus. |
| Posted by: peemyTNBow Feb 26 2009, 03:46 PM |
| Not a surprise at all. |
| Posted by: Tomo Feb 26 2009, 03:51 PM |
| Does anyone actually care? Really? |
| Posted by: ToyotaFan84 Feb 26 2009, 05:10 PM | ||
I care about the production status of this car. Really. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Feb 26 2009, 05:48 PM |
| Me too. But I`d care about anything that has something to do with Subaru. |
| Posted by: Drew Feb 26 2009, 08:23 PM |
| TBH, I'm not surprised that Toyota's putting this on hold; it's waaaaay to exciting for a Toyota-badged car. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Feb 26 2009, 09:31 PM |
| There hasnt been any news about this over here. Maybe on monday`s paper. |
| Posted by: The Stig Feb 26 2009, 09:33 PM | ||
Words spoken from a true fan boy. Too bad Subarus still aren't the be all end all of cars, or even Sport Compacts for that matter. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Feb 26 2009, 09:35 PM |
| I`m afraid you`re wrong there, Stig. The correct term is Subaristo. |
| Posted by: BOZZ Feb 26 2009, 09:42 PM | ||
Got to agree with you there, Subaru fans seem almost as bad as Mac fans in their belief that the product they love is the be-all end-all... |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Feb 27 2009, 03:28 AM |
| Wow, that coming from a Mac fan... Is that supposed to make me happy? |
| Posted by: Rudy Feb 27 2009, 05:23 AM | ||
I hope that's just a rumor >< |
| Posted by: BOZZ Feb 27 2009, 07:55 AM | ||
No, I'm just stating an observation of how fandom can be pretty annoying when spouting about their favourite thing... I am a Mac fan, but I am not crazy about Macs as most Mac fans are... |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Feb 27 2009, 08:08 AM | ||
Bozzy is LYING. You and I both know well this is not true. |
| Posted by: Rudy Feb 27 2009, 08:35 AM | ||
Oh really? I'd love to chime in, but this is Automotive, not Computers & Technology... Threadsplit time? (= |
| Posted by: peemyTNBow Feb 27 2009, 08:36 AM |
| :walks in: smells bullshit :walks out: |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Feb 27 2009, 08:49 AM |
| ^ THANK YOU! I'm glad someone else thinks this is all lies too! |
| Posted by: BOZZ Feb 27 2009, 10:12 AM |
| Well I am sorry dude, but to me most Subaru fans, like yourself, are as annoying as Mac fans when they start talking about Subaru... |
| Posted by: shinn Feb 27 2009, 11:16 AM |
| Well the difference between a mac fan and a subie fan is that Mac fans usually don't know shit about computers or electronics. Subie fans, most of the time, actually know about cars and what they are talking about. |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Feb 27 2009, 01:33 PM | ||
you know, I'm not going to believe Detroit Free Press, but i think toyota or subaru themselves would make an announcement of some sort. THEMSELVES. And not tell "Detroit Free Press" to be the messenger-boy to tell the world... |
| Posted by: peemyTNBow Feb 27 2009, 01:37 PM |
| The guy in charge of the detroit free press is a well known toyota-hater too. Just to be fair. But whatever, i don't believe toyota has the nuts to go through with it. |
| Posted by: Tomo Feb 27 2009, 01:41 PM | ||
+476,978. It really isn't just you either demon, I swear to god there is some sort of complex that Subaru owners contract within a week of owning a Subaru. Approximately a mere 2% of Subaru owners are immune to this, the rest are straight up doomed. |
| Posted by: peemyTNBow Feb 27 2009, 01:45 PM | ||
| 4wd + turdbloooow = l33t haXX0RZ. I never got the obsession with that engine sound that sounds like a rod knocking 7m. (boxer 4). Boxer 6s and up sound great. They are pretty damn good cars for sure (not saying i would not buy one either), i just hate the "boy racer appeal" that goes with the impreza WRX/STi (probably why i prefer legacy turbo models over imprezas). But, that syndrome can happen to other car owners as well: most famous one: Supra: 2jz huh? no shit... On another note, on the genesis :
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| Posted by: BOZZ Feb 27 2009, 01:47 PM |
| http://www.7tune.com/toyotasubaru-compact-sports-car-code-086a/ Was linked off of cardomain... |
| Posted by: ToyotaFan84 Feb 27 2009, 06:32 PM | ||
What exactly are you calling bullshit on? *Back on topic* If get my hands on this car, I am so getting a body kit, it looks too much like a luxury car and I'm not digging the wide rear fenders. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Feb 27 2009, 06:53 PM | ||
f**k yeah! thanks Bozz! THat made my day! |
| Posted by: BOZZ Feb 27 2009, 06:55 PM |
| I can't remember, but I thought the original link posted said it was just delayed not cancelled... |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Feb 27 2009, 06:58 PM |
| Better late than never, I always say. |
| Posted by: Demon_Lord Feb 27 2009, 08:15 PM |
| Nice find Bozzy. I'm so glad that this car is not going to be canceled and that the price stayed the same. I would love to get my hands on one when they are released. That is, if I can wait long enough as to not grab the Genesis Coupe. |
| Posted by: Möbius Feb 27 2009, 08:27 PM | ||
Both links said same thing, the link off cardomain went inot greater detail. On hold, not cancelled. If it would be my decision? I would put it on hold myself, the timing is just wrong. Even next year is predicted to be a better time for the automotive industry. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Feb 27 2009, 08:32 PM |
| My decision? I'd delay it like subaru is doing. The timing needs to be a little later. |
| Posted by: Jardim Mar 1 2009, 01:23 AM |
| Yea then maybe i can get one. |
| Posted by: phonebook Mar 1 2009, 11:15 AM |
| Guys, check the dates of the two articles... Also, you guys are saying that 7tune, a blog has more credit than the Detroit Free Press? I mean I know you guys are fan boys but really? Not trying to flame but reputable newspaper > blog. If the article was really false, why isn't being contested and why are other sites reporting the same thing? |
| Posted by: Rudy Mar 1 2009, 11:19 AM |
| Wow, it kind of looks like what the A80 (possibly) should have looked like from the start... I like <3 |
| Posted by: twitchykun Mar 3 2009, 12:04 PM |
| http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/03/call-us-when-its-at-the-dealer-on-again-off-again-toyota-suba/2#c17442166 |
| Posted by: BOZZ Mar 3 2009, 12:41 PM |
| I am more worried about the delay being to 2012, the World might not be even around by then! |
| Posted by: Tomo Mar 3 2009, 12:47 PM |
| at this rate, there's a decent shot at that. |
| Posted by: phonebook Mar 3 2009, 01:15 PM | ||
Yeh, I stand corrected. I'm just going to wait until I see the damn concept. |
| Posted by: Akira Mar 3 2009, 01:49 PM |
| That lineart reminds me of a mini Aston.. God I can't wait. |
| Posted by: ToyotaFan84 Mar 3 2009, 04:11 PM | ||
That's not until Dec 23rd! |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Mar 3 2009, 04:17 PM |
| TOLD YOU! I TOLD YOU that it was still in the works! |
| Posted by: peemyTNBow Mar 3 2009, 05:12 PM | ||
It's December 21st, The mayans got bored. |
| Posted by: The Stig Mar 3 2009, 11:13 PM | ||
Thats BS!!! The world supposedly ends on my birthday! LAMEEEEEEE |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Mar 4 2009, 03:44 AM |
| Silly superstitious people. Don't you know that our solar system will end in a few billion years when the sun finishes? Yeah. |
| Posted by: BOZZ Mar 4 2009, 04:53 AM | ||
You obviously don't know a joke when you see one... |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Mar 4 2009, 05:00 AM |
| Thats not true. I know a joke when i see one... LOL... I want to say this one thing... But I'm afraid it will come out as disrepectful to bozz, and im not feeling like hurting anyone lately. |
| Posted by: Rudy Mar 4 2009, 05:17 AM |
| I wonder if they'll market it with a turbodiesel option. That would be yummy. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Mar 4 2009, 05:23 AM |
| Wouldnt be very fast... |
| Posted by: Rudy Mar 4 2009, 05:35 AM | ||
LOL! Come come now Demon, don't tell me you haven't heard of tuned turbocharged diesels...? |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Mar 4 2009, 05:48 AM |
| I have... But aint they really expensive? |
| Posted by: Rudy Mar 4 2009, 06:03 AM | ||
It's as simple as opening up the exhaust and chipping the ECU for easy gains up to 25%. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Mar 4 2009, 06:41 AM |
| Alright, it's sounding good to me now. |
| Posted by: Rudy Mar 4 2009, 06:44 AM |
| Well, at least that's how it works for trucks. Not too sure about cars... but I KNOW there are a few TDi nutcases out there with Beetles faster than damned late-model Corvettes.  |
| Posted by: The Stig Mar 4 2009, 11:27 AM | ||
Thank you Bozzy for catching the joke. Lol |
| Posted by: Möbius Mar 4 2009, 12:58 PM | ||
Link please? Faster than a C6 Vette?  |
| Posted by: peemyTNBow Mar 4 2009, 01:06 PM |
| All torque, 0 horsepower. Great for stoplight racing and drag racing at best. Dump enough money into anything you can make x faster than y. |
| Posted by: Möbius Mar 4 2009, 01:07 PM | ||
I think even that would be hard... Maybe 1/8 mile runs? I just don't see it. |
| Posted by: peemyTNBow Mar 4 2009, 01:11 PM |
| That statement is coming from someone who thinks somehow an MKIII or MKII Supra is faster or has more potential than a MKIV Twin turbo 6 speed. Not suprising that you can't see it. because i can't either.All joking aside, turbo diesels can be made peppy and quite fun with a minimal amount of cash. They are great grocery getters too. Faster than a gasoline equivalent? I don't know unless there is solid proof, esp. from someone who does not have a great track record of speaking automotive truths. |
| Posted by: twitchykun Mar 4 2009, 01:16 PM | ||
+infinity There's one doozy of an automotive truth right there. |
| Posted by: Möbius Mar 4 2009, 01:17 PM | ||
Although, there is a point when x becomes something that cannot be called an X anymore. |
| Posted by: 5-GeaR_LoveR Mar 5 2009, 08:39 AM |
| Some more information on the new Toyota / Subaru coupe. http://www.7tune.com/086a-to-use-new-legacy-base/ So apparently Toyota is in charge of the outside and Subaru is in charge of the inside. The rendering looks alright. The front somehow looks like a Dodge car to me, maybe it's the lights that look like the Demon concept and the large opening in the front. The body obviously looks like the last gen Celica and from what I can see the tail lights look like the tC. |
| Posted by: ToyotaFan84 Mar 5 2009, 09:14 AM |
| Looks too much like a Scion. |
| Posted by: twitchykun Mar 5 2009, 10:12 AM | ||
I can see it now...the Scion tR. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Mar 5 2009, 01:08 PM | ||
Driven by what's inside. FTW. |
| Posted by: BOZZ Mar 5 2009, 01:24 PM | ||
Hopefully Toyota will spruce the outside a little more... The rendering looks nice but seems kinda blasé... |
| Posted by: Drew Mar 5 2009, 01:55 PM | ||
If that's the case, well then ricers, get your cheap rims, fartcans, flying robot vinyls, and ridiculous sound systems ready to rape this car. At least the outside won't be too suspicious for the first year or two of production; might be cheap to insure for that time period. |
| Posted by: STJ Mar 8 2009, 09:16 AM |
| i realy hope they don't badge it as a scion because toyota realy could us e sporty model. And calling it a scion would kill the link it has with the AE86! |
| Posted by: twitchykun Mar 8 2009, 10:07 AM | ||
as long as the chassis code remains intact, it'll be okay. 'sides, if it's branded as a scion, it'll be cheap. |
| Posted by: MattW Mar 8 2009, 11:22 AM | ||
Toyota, doing something interesting? That's the biggest oxymoron I've ever heard. |
| Posted by: Rudy Mar 8 2009, 06:49 PM | ||
Laaaaaate model, Apex. As in, C4, early C5... Here's a decent example. ^^ Not as crazy as some of the ones I've seen though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aNzXOX3fYM&feature=related |
| Posted by: Shirogane Mar 8 2009, 06:59 PM | ||
Lovin' the TDI's. Dori, I say we start a clan of Diesel Gurus on IDW. |
| Posted by: Rudy Mar 8 2009, 07:02 PM | ||
Maybe if you learn to call me Drifter, I might just consider that. Or Team Toyota. |
| Posted by: MattW Mar 8 2009, 07:04 PM | ||
You're always gonna be known as Dori, except to the n00bs, get over it. |
| Posted by: Shirogane Mar 8 2009, 07:04 PM | ||
Deal. And done. @BOZZ: Doubt Toyota would do anything new that's interesting, hell, they won't go far as to add a Hino to the Tundra. |
| Posted by: Rudy Mar 8 2009, 07:05 PM |
| Well come on JZX that motor's a freakin' boat anchor. Weight wise that is. |
| Posted by: Shirogane Mar 8 2009, 07:08 PM | ||
 That brought up an interesting conversation with a friend that has a Dodge 2500 Diesel. He said if it were to be too heavy, he's putting a Cummins in it. Anyways, back on topic. My thoughts on the new car is that I hope they can pull it off, the FT-HS isn't coming, so hope that this one WILL. |
| Posted by: twitchykun Mar 25 2009, 05:37 AM |
| http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=144846 |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Mar 25 2009, 05:45 AM |
| *Puts down note in Keitai* - Go to Tokyo Motor Show. I'm totally there. |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Mar 26 2009, 06:49 PM | ||
wait...did i just read "Toyota-Subaru Sedan"???! please tell me this is a mistake and it's going to be a coupe |
| Posted by: Sensation! Mar 26 2009, 07:57 PM | ||
+1 if its going to be a sedan. it'll attract the RIGHT crowd. kinda get what i mean? but no you didt read enough, it still says coupe in the article (titles a typo) . Toyota wants a piece of nissan and hyundai, though it would be cool if they offered a 4 door version. perhaps they should sell the 4 door as a subaru. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Mar 26 2009, 08:21 PM | ||
I don't think so. The world has waitedlong enough. It's time for the Return ofthe Impreza coupe. |
| Posted by: 5-GeaR_LoveR Jun 18 2009, 05:02 PM | ||
| The Toyobaru sports coupe is still in the works! It is coming along, but slowly. Also apparently an insider at Toyota R&D has come foward with a bit of info on the car. The link has the car specifications and full article. http://www.7tune.com/i-saw-the-toyota-086a/ 
I'm just hoping this will actually come out worldwide and not just select markets, but with the Genesis Coupe receiving good reviews maybe Toyota and Subaru will release this worldwide. |
| Posted by: chillined Jun 18 2009, 05:05 PM | ||
That car is beautiful! Wow! That is such a nice car! |
| Posted by: sideways Jun 18 2009, 05:07 PM |
| Mark my words, if this pulls through, I will get one. |
| Posted by: Shirogane Jun 18 2009, 06:30 PM | ||
It has a hint of the SVX where the rear is. The muffler, for example and the tailights. And the front looks like a half breed of a Golf/Scirocco. But still nice nonetheless. It'd be better if it was an RWD, but I still wish for a newer, budget RWD car. |
| Posted by: sideways Jun 18 2009, 07:13 PM |
| The whole point is its going to be rear wheel drive |
| Posted by: Shirogane Jun 18 2009, 07:48 PM | ||
..I thought it had AWD. Didn't it? |
| Posted by: JaeMok Jun 18 2009, 07:52 PM |
| Noooooo! Too good! If this comes out soon, the Genesis will be trumped! |
| Posted by: 5-GeaR_LoveR Jun 18 2009, 08:11 PM | ||
Nah, Toyota wanted to revive the general concept of an affordable RWD car. They're just relying on Subaru to supply the parts and platform, so both companies get a RWD car. Also, having an AWD sports coupe would sorta compete with the Impreza. This gets me thinking, if Subaru does go ahead with the STi version would they add AWD or would they be keeping it RWD? It is supposedly riding on the Legacy platform soo..... |
| Posted by: chillined Jun 18 2009, 10:07 PM | ||
Not necessary. The Genesis is a car that already attracts the tuners. This car is basically going to be like the Toyota Supra: Not Cheap, but once you do get the car, it will be a good investment. The Genesis is a cheap car, like the Honda Civic, but rear wheel drive. There's no way that this car will be cheaper than $30k. It already looks like a $40k car. |
| Posted by: Hachi_Roku Jun 18 2009, 10:08 PM |
| Can't see why not. If the Nissan Skyline had the GTS-t with an RB20 as the base-style sport model coupled with the GT-R, then there's nothing much to stop Toyota from having AWD on the STi model. |
| Posted by: JaeMok Jun 18 2009, 11:12 PM | ||
But the article said that Toyota is aiming for low 20's. |
| Posted by: WRX Jun 18 2009, 11:53 PM |
| None the less, this would be an interesting car to look forward to. Can't wait for the prototype. |
| Posted by: sideways Jun 19 2009, 01:52 AM | ||
Did you bother to read what the price goal of this cars going to be ? From the VERY beginning, toyota has been determined to keep this thing cheap. stupid cheap. under 2 million yen cheap. Thats 20k american cheap. |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Jun 19 2009, 01:56 AM | ||
mark my words, it might suck |
| Posted by: sideways Jun 19 2009, 02:02 AM |
| Thus my emphasis' on the if |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Jun 19 2009, 06:11 AM | ||
It COULD BE the NEXT Impreza. It's been a while since the Impreza was a single two door sports car. Far too long has it been a 4 door family sedan. |
| Posted by: Shirogane Jun 19 2009, 08:31 AM | ||
The question is... ... How FAR will it might suck? |
| Posted by: twitchykun Jun 19 2009, 08:46 AM |
| i'll believe it when i see a working prototype, no more of this digital rendition bullshit. |
| Posted by: MattW Jun 19 2009, 08:55 AM | ||
That has to be one of the worst sentences I have ever seen, hahahahaha. |
| Posted by: Sensation! Jun 19 2009, 09:09 AM | ||
highlight of the thread. everything is just hot air until they brew out a working copy and start beating the shit outta it. For 20k, i hope toyota makes a car that actually makes the driver feel involved, unlike the jello-riders theyve been making within the past 6 years or so. |
| Posted by: Rudy Jun 19 2009, 09:39 AM |
| Yeah, the last year of the Celica GT-S was pretty much the end of my attention span for Toyota. But holy crap, this new econocoupe looks promising. It might just be a solid daily for me when it comes time, and I can put my Supra (or Z? ....naw, Supra all the way <3) in the garage and start getting serious about tuning it. |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Jun 19 2009, 12:12 PM | ||
It isn't. Impreza is I guess they'd call it midsized sedan/wagon that has slowly gotten bigger to meet the demands of the market for roomy interiors. The unconfirmed rumors of this car's size specifications are pretty much dead on to the ae86, just wider.. and lower.(so close infact I'm extremely doubting of the numbers) Much to small for the typical Impreza target audience. granted, I've also read enough numerous conflicting rumors, one of which being this is supposed to have been built on the impreza chassis. Not sure how valid any of these were though. |
| Posted by: ToyotaFan84 Jun 19 2009, 02:54 PM |
| As if there wasn't enough hot air... http://www.motorauthority.com/report-toyota-subaru-joint-project-to-be-branded-as-scion-in-us.html Yay =\ On the other hand, that doesn't look as ugly as I thought it would. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Jun 19 2009, 03:31 PM |
| If Subaru releases this in North America it will most likely be AWD (my guess is that only Japan will get a RWD version). In which case, I'll definitely be buying one when i get back to Canada. |
| Posted by: r34racer01 Jun 19 2009, 08:16 PM |
| Its about time Scion got a new model. It makes sense that they would put their new cheap RWD coupe in the brand for affordable cars. |
| Posted by: Möbius Jun 19 2009, 08:26 PM | ||
Also the current model of the Impreza is only 2 years old. Very rare for models not to last the only that long. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Aug 9 2009, 02:29 AM | ||
Update on the 086A/Toyobaru.
Taken from: http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/31/rumormill-toyota-subaru-coupe-drops-40-hp-loses-weight-market/ also a little bit more, but the same shit: http://www.globalmotors.net/the-new-toyota-subaru-to-lose-power/ I'm keeping a close eye on this, and will try to post some pics up when I go see the car for the first time in October at the Tokyo motor show. Gotta keep a close eye on what COULD be my next normal sized Subaru coupe. |
| Posted by: Möbius Aug 9 2009, 06:41 AM |
| *Split and merged into the proper topic* |
| Posted by: Shirogane Aug 9 2009, 09:33 AM |
| It's a Genesis/Soarer breed.... But sweet. |
| Posted by: Fast Aug 9 2009, 09:50 AM |
| I see some current-gen MX-5 in it as well. I'm not too crazy about that rendering or the proposed specs but I wouldn't mind one as a sprightly daily driver. It's supposed to have direct injection right? |
| Posted by: ToyotaFan84 Aug 9 2009, 11:23 AM |
| And I think I will now stay with my Celica. Wonder if the AWD trim that had around 300 hp is even going to be available. |
| Posted by: Ayako Watanabe Aug 9 2009, 01:24 PM |
| It reminds me of a Pontiac Solstice |
| Posted by: chillined Aug 9 2009, 04:02 PM | ||
Yeah, it does, but not the appearance. I think it's the layout that's similar to the Solstice. To be honest, I liked the rendering on the previous page better, the latest rendering doesn't look aggressive at all. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Aug 10 2009, 12:48 AM |
| I'm not counting my chickens until the Subaru rendering is released. |
| Posted by: BOZZ Aug 10 2009, 01:31 AM | ||
It looks like a Solstice that mated with a Miata. |
| Posted by: Ayako Watanabe Aug 10 2009, 05:48 AM | ||||
Indeed, that's why it made me think of the Solstice. I have to agree with you, on the fact that I also liked the first rendering that they did of the new 086A.
The mouth basically. There is a few small resemblance to the current gen Miata. Everything else reminds me more of the Solstice. |
| Posted by: matt Aug 11 2009, 03:00 PM | ||
Exactly what I was going to say it looked like |
| Posted by: Rudy Aug 11 2009, 03:04 PM |
| Not like it's a bad thing. I love the new look, hehe. |
| Posted by: ToyotaFan84 Aug 11 2009, 06:24 PM | ||
Count on me to rebadge the Subaru model as a Toyota if I have to. |
| Posted by: MattW Aug 11 2009, 06:59 PM | ||
 99.9% sure it will look like that. The headlights are already Legacy shaped. |
| Posted by: Rudy Aug 11 2009, 07:05 PM |
| I might just Cash for Clunkers the Supra for that car if it arrives. I'm not even kidding here. :x |
| Posted by: MattW Aug 11 2009, 07:06 PM |
| C4C ends at the end of this month.... |
| Posted by: Rudy Aug 11 2009, 07:06 PM | ||
...DERP. Oh well, it was a nice dream and all. |
| Posted by: Shirogane Aug 11 2009, 07:46 PM | ||
I'm actually smiling wide after seeing this post. I don't think it worked that well in the beginning. |
| Posted by: Rudy Aug 11 2009, 07:52 PM |
| But you know, if I lay off on the street racing and stupid mods, I might just have saved enough cash by the time the new AE86 comes out that I can actually afford it. |
| Posted by: Shirogane Aug 11 2009, 08:28 PM | ||
Well, there's the Genesis Coupe if things backfire.  |
| Posted by: Rudy Aug 11 2009, 08:49 PM | ||
lol gas cap. Sure, all I need is some Tiburon and/or Tuscani badging and I'm set. ...except for the fact the Coupe is a bit of a pig. :/ |
| Posted by: Shirogane Aug 11 2009, 09:14 PM | ||
...I now have the urge to defy your statement with a test drive. And I know how much Hyundai would drop the F-bomb numerous times when this Toyobaru comes out. |
| Posted by: Fast Aug 11 2009, 09:31 PM | ||
Why? That's like re-badging a Legacy as an Impreza. The Genesis isn't a Tibby replacement. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Sep 6 2009, 09:44 AM |
| Not sure if these two renderings have been posted. http://www.gtchannel.com/content.php?cid=79222 and this: http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=10&article_id=8122 I'm really excited. I can't wait to see this thing for real in October. |
| Posted by: ZeetherKID77 Sep 6 2009, 11:16 AM |
| Oh man, this is bringing a grin to my face. |
| Posted by: vhsfootball_82 Sep 7 2009, 05:35 PM |
| seems like ill be having sweet dreams from now on....or wet ones lol JK |
| Posted by: brian mayhem Sep 7 2009, 05:38 PM |
| OOOOOH. So this is what is going to happen with the galactic alignment in 2012. The center of the galaxy is sending us a rather good looking car. Score? |
| Posted by: Drew Sep 7 2009, 06:46 PM |
| TBH, I still don't believe that this car will be at the Tokyo Motor Show. I mean, how long has this been in the pipeline, and we haven't been given any spy shots of some sort of test mule, teaser shots, or a camo'd version of the prototype? It's like the LF-A/LF-L...a lot of talk, and no walk, which seems like Toyota's MO when it comes to "exciting concepts" and "cool cars". I mean it is a few months away, but car companies who tease about things like this seem to have at least a concept come out or some teaser shots of the car. Where's our supposed "leaks" or spy shots? I'm sick and tired of seeing renders which'll most likely look about as much as the real car as Chris Hansen looks like Chris Farley. Call me cynical, but I don't believe that this car will even be shown when the Tokyo motor show comes around even though they have said that they will have it at said show. |
| Posted by: peemyTNBow Sep 7 2009, 07:05 PM |
| :Puke: Once i see it in showrooms, i will believe it. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Sep 7 2009, 11:58 PM | ||
Don't worry, if it is, I'll take plenty of pictures with me holding a sign next to it saying, "In your face!" LOL. J/k BMW, I hear you. I look forward to seeing the final product. Albeit, these renderings aint half bad. |
| Posted by: BOZZ Sep 8 2009, 12:00 AM |
| I'm really digging the first of those 2 renderings... It looks very sleek and sporty... |
| Posted by: ToyotaFan84 Sep 8 2009, 09:09 AM | ||
I believe these are actual mule shots: http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1023936_spy-shots-first-images-of-toyota-and-subarus-joint-rwd-sports-car which looks closer to this rendering: http://www.themotorreport.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2008/writer/a77c94693d88_49C4/O86A_toyota_subaru_toyobaru_subota_01_3.jpg http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/086a_toyota_subaru_580op.jpg which does look very Toyotaish. |