EDIT: Before Falbere jumps in, you have to break Windows Update completely to keep it from operating automatically. I don't consider that viable.
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| Posted by: BOZZ Dec 24 2015, 11:54 PM |
| Hello fellow IDWers, I was just curious as to what opinions people have in these parts regarding Windows 10. Is it worth upgrading to or is it better to stick with Windows 7/8? |
| Posted by: Falbere Dec 25 2015, 12:16 AM |
| I have been using Windows 10 for more than a few weeks now. And to make this clear, if you are upgrading to Windows 10, Windows Updates are forced to be on. It need quite some work to stop the computer from automatically updating itself. With that out of the way, Lets explain why if you don't mind auto updates, you should/should not get Windows 10. If you have been using Windows 8, you will find Windows 10 absolutely fine, with a couple of extra neat features here and there. For one, the start menu comes back. You can customize it to be anything you want. From the tiles on Windows 8 to just all icons. The user interface is fairly customizable too. You can choose to have no task view or search button on the taskbar if you really want to. The settings menu have a bigger portion of options converted to a metro-style settings menu, but the Control Panel is still there if you really want to. If you are coming from Windows 7, there might be a few annoyances you might not like for windows 10. Enforced dwm.exe: Windows Classic (95) themes are no longer there. And the desktop is forced to be composed by dwm, which enforces a v-sync on all your windows, resulting in input lag in borderless gaming. Other than that, Windows 10 is a pretty solid OS right now. Never had any problems with it that wasn't an issue on 7/8. |
| Posted by: sushiyummy32 Dec 25 2015, 02:26 AM |
| Everything works. Nothing has broken down. Upgrade if you want. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 25 2015, 03:58 AM |
| Windows 10 is a broken piece of botnet shit, and I'm not going into more detail than that because it's 7 AM and I'm on my phone. Stick with 7 to the bitter end. http://i.imgur.com/qgoK5Km.jpg [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Falbere Dec 25 2015, 06:40 AM | ||
Hah. What a joke. I will not be very bothered by that because as we know, CIA is already reading all our personal emails before the Windows 10 had done it. But if you want to turn botnet off, there are some not-so-complicated tutorials lying about on the internet. About keylogging, Windows XP had long been doing that, so Microsoft already knew you say cuck every 10 days. Windows 10 is not broken in any way. If you want to say it invades our privacy and "muh freedoms", Windows 7 does the same. The only valid point is the inability to turn off the Windows Update, but as already been proven, you can add a firewall outbound rule to Windows Update itself, and Windows will not be able to update, basically being stopped by their own firewall. To an average user, Windows 10 is a very functional OS. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 25 2015, 12:39 PM |
| HAHAHA HOLY SHIT Windows 10 is "not broken in any way!?" Keep sucking Microshaft's dick. Holy fuck. Windows Update. Unified Control Panel. Removing applications without user interaction. But psh, what do I know? [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: BOZZ Dec 25 2015, 05:03 PM |
| Is the privacy stuff that bad in Windows 10, N1? I'm not really all up on Windows these days, all I've heard was that there are some features (Cortana, search suggestions, stuff in that new MS web browser) that call home but that they can be disabled; the only thing I've read that might be semi-difficult to disable are windows updates. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 25 2015, 05:40 PM |
| Not semi-difficult. Impossible unless you're an Enterprise user (and how long will that last?). If you're content with the OS altering your system without your permission then by all means, go nuts. Have fun! I'm sure Falbere knows way more than I do about computing. EDIT: Before Falbere jumps in, you have to break Windows Update completely to keep it from operating automatically. I don't consider that viable. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: BOZZ Dec 25 2015, 06:21 PM | ||
Oh, wow, I'm surprised they're doing that considering alternatives (Linux, Mac OS X), which are free, do have some minor tracking (mostly related to web searches though) stuff that you can disable and that's that. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 25 2015, 07:17 PM |
| Personally I'd love to see Falbere's explanation about how XP, Vista and 7 "do the same things." Please, I'm all ears, as it were. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Yosuke Dec 25 2015, 07:32 PM |
| as someone who is not a power user but also not fully a casual user. Windows 10 is a broken piece of shit. I mean almost every update is stuff I disabled being turned back on, re-running debloat scripts, Disk usage being jacked up to 100%. And even now, 10 can't fucking figure out how to keep a custom cursor on a theme after you reboot. Hell their most recent update was a fix for one of their older updates COMPLETELY FUCKING UP YOUR WIFI. So if you don't buy into the privacy aspect being a bad thing, you can just google "Windows 10 100% Disk usage" and see how far back it goes. You'll even see their "new" feature that makes a task "system and compressed memory" a resource hog. |
| Posted by: sushiyummy32 Dec 25 2015, 10:24 PM |
| I doubt bozz is a power user. Just use it whatever it works. You can do normal windows stuff on it. Not complicated. Edit: I can make you a video of me clicking around on windows watching porn. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 25 2015, 10:35 PM |
| "You can do stuff on it" can be said about plenty of operating systems that probably aren't worth actually using. I fail to see how that's a coherent argument as to why going with 10 is better than sticking to 7. With that argument I can just tell him to run RedHat. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Yosuke Dec 25 2015, 10:40 PM |
| "It works" I just pointed out how by default, most Windows 10 installs will force your hard drive to use 100% of its resources due to multiple background processes you don't need slowing down your system. And there is no "easy" way to figure out what's causing it, which is failure in design. It's not so simple as "turn off all the bloatware 10 has" either, because most of it turns itself back on without your permission. I'm not even making the hurr botnet argument with it. It's a problem since 8 and Microsoft still hasn't fixed it. |
| Posted by: sushiyummy32 Dec 26 2015, 12:00 AM |
 Image size reduced, original size: 1366 x 768. http://i.imgur.com/LMCsKmR.png to view the image in its original dimension. theres your disk writing and reading problem. |
| Posted by: Yosuke Dec 26 2015, 12:29 AM |
| >Defragging >With an SSD Please continue talking out of your ass, it's vaguely amusing since Defragmenting a drive hasn't actually fixed anything since 7. Actual things that cause Windows 8/8.1/10 to hog resources: BITS Superfetch Windows Search service Windows Defender (idling or not) - Which you can't turn off without registry editing, something out of your intelligence level it seems. Windows 10's notifications (I shit you not) Defragging - In fact, fixing the problem for 8/10 requires you to hunt for the task scheduling and completely disable the damn thing, because by default it runs all the time and is set to run with the highest possible privilege. OneDrive: On by default. Also cannot be uninstalled like a normal program. The list goes on! Don't understand half this shit? Good! Welcome to why 10 is awful! |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 26 2015, 12:45 AM |
| Since XP* NTFS pretty much made scheduled defragmentation a worthless waste of drive head flying hours. The transition from FAT32 to NTFS came well before 7. Doesn't change the level of hilarity above you, though! [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: sushiyummy32 Dec 26 2015, 12:53 AM |
| i think you guys misinterpreted my post. edit: i dont run a ssd? this is my laptop. edit2: oh that 14gb of ssd. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 26 2015, 02:02 AM |
| If your point was that defragmenting was the cause, you're only partially right. It's a cause, but it's not the cause. It also wouldn't explain why you're still running it. If you're suggesting that defragmenting solves the problem, hahaha oh wow. Neither of which excuse the fact that you have an SSD and have defragged it. Topkek. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: sushiyummy32 Dec 26 2015, 02:49 AM | ||
its automatically on from the day i installed windows 8/10. I dont use that ssd anyway theres nothing in it. edit:  Image size reduced, original size: 1366 x 768. http://i.imgur.com/PNoN4RL.png to view the image in its original dimension. huh interesting |
| Posted by: Sensation! Dec 26 2015, 09:21 AM |
| Windows 10 user here. It's awful. I'm in it for the long ride. If you don't care about the spying, such as I, there's plenty of things to NOT like about 10, along with a few things to like.. So lets get the good out the way shall we? Prior to 1511, i'd say nothing really good about w10, after that patch..lets see 1. It's very pretty 2. It performs decently. Part of it is how it uses ram, iirc, it'll reserve more ram and is just a bit smarter in how it allocates it. so whats not to like? 1. It broke everything you couldn't even imagine was possible to be broken. I mean, this is stuff Windows ME fixed. Want an example? The shutdown process is totally bonkers. The way services are terminated causes expected errors to be reported, and in such a way that it causes dings and dongs during shutdown as crucial services are ended. I haven't experienced this since 98. Auto-hide taskbar is broken too. Alt tabbing between a d3d game causes an auto hidden taskbar to go ballistic. What happens is the taskbar will...de-laminate itself from its container, turning instead into a small thin strip near the bottom that has no buttons. You would assume this was a graphics artifact, except it isnt. You can actually right click on this thin strip, tell it to unlock the task bar, then tell it to lock it again..and viola..bug fixed.. just..why? MS broke NIC teaming recently too, so you cant make new NIC teams.. Theres just a bunch of stuff in w10 that worked in 7 and 8.1 but now no longer works. Bundle these unexpected mysteries with the fact that you'll be playing around in the registry and GPedit for days makes w10 without a doubt, longer to setup than 7 or 8.1 for discerning users. As for random HDD usage, i managed to pinpoint some of mine to... *drumroll* The new photo viewer.. yeah... It'll try to automatically create and sort galleries for you. I dont even... |
| Posted by: APX Dec 26 2015, 09:36 AM |
| I enjoy your windows 7. It's sex |
| Posted by: BOZZ Dec 26 2015, 11:09 AM |
| Okay, I think I got the handle on Windows 10's issues now. Thanks for the responses everyone. |
| Posted by: 207 Dec 26 2015, 11:11 AM |
| im sure glad i stuck with W7. i do have some tiny W10 issues, mostly the PC W7 "persuading" me to take advantage of the free W10 upgrade. i dont see myself using W10 until it around 2 years old, hopefully they fixed the issues by then. im just glad W7 doesnt make the choice for me to upgrade the OS. |
| Posted by: Saint Dec 26 2015, 12:04 PM |
| Wow, and I was pissed a while back because my pc had problems with the free upgrade from 7 (it kept failing to update or something). Guess I didn't miss much. |
| Posted by: Möbius Dec 26 2015, 05:49 PM |
| Shout out to N1, I was contemplating giving 10 a trial, but I won't even bother now. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 27 2015, 11:53 AM | ||
So you admit that you have no fucking clue what you're doing. Good to hear. As for your 'interesting' image, what exactly is interesting about it? That the performance graphs are all over the fucking place? I've got a better performance graph for you, straight from the first few days of testing Windows 10 I did. Yep, that's right folks--I actually used Windows 10 on one of my computers for a whole month before slapping it back to 7. So no, I'm not talking out my ass. I put it through the wringer and came to the conclusion that it's awful by actually (trying) to use it. So here we go.  Image size reduced, original size: 960 x 720. http://i.imgur.com/FuIFV7z.jpg to view the image in its original dimension. So here's the computer sitting there idle...and just kinda...eating away at resources. So that's cool, I guess. Thanks, Windows 10. I mean, the copy of 7 I had on there never did that, but I guess 'it works' so it's totally fine right? Yeah, totally fine. Except it's not totally fine. The first thing that jumped out at me when I installed 10 was that they started installing things and foisting products on me without my permission. My start menu suddenly had Candy Crush, Twitter and Flipboard on it, as if Microsoft was just sure that they were programs I wanted even though I've never touched them before (and didn't link 10 to a Microsoft account anyway, so with no access to the M$ store, how would they even know if I did?). Installing third-party shit on my machine without my permission? Fuck right off. Then you have Windows 10 running an application compatibility library designed to test compatibility between 7 and 10...except it keeps on running once you're already on 10 and eats up resources. Thanks, Microsoft! That's really awesome of you! So I went ahead and turned that off, and in the process noticed that it turned on a bunch of shit I had explicitly disabled in 7. Stuff like indexing, antimalware, etc. So I turned those off too. Problem was, when I rebooted the machine those things had been turned back on, because clearly Microsoft knows better than I do about how to run my own machine. Now, there are ways to kill these things (open registry, take ownership of key, change values, lock key from system access) but that you have to hack apart the OS in order to change a simple fucking setting and keep it that way is pure insanity. Fuck right off. I also noticed that the notification center no longer allows you to disable messages about certain applications or events. For instance, on 7 I specifically told the system not to bother me about not having antivirus or disabling a firewall or any other inane shit I don't give a fuck about because I know what I'm doing, thanks. 10 will continue to bother you about it because it's in your best interest and Microsoft knows better than you do about what you need on your box. That's why they installed Candy Crush for you, after all! Fuck right off. Ah, except then there is a way to disable those, isn't there? In fact, the way to disable those notifications is exactly where it was in Vista, 7, and 8. It's in the 7-era Control Panel. You know, the one Microsoft said was going to get killed off in order to have a unified interface? Pretty much the one reason (ignoring Start Menu, here) why 10 was going to be better than 8's horrendously broken control panel interfaces? Yeah nah. 10's settings interface is just as broken as 8's, if not more so. So instead of unifying the interface...you break it even more. Fuck right off. Oh, and after wrecking the registry and fucking with task scheduler...I did finally get 10 to behave hard-drive wise. Mostly, anyway. Here's a before and after HDD benchmark. http://imgur.com/a/N0Dlt I went back to 7 and couldn't be happier. If you're a total scrub then I guess you can be happy with 10, but then again you'd probably be just as happy with Linux. |
| Posted by: sushiyummy32 Dec 27 2015, 01:02 PM | ||
heh i tried linux and i couldnt even install my graphics drivers because it would tell me to install another thing which it would then tell me to disable some service and i gave up and removed it. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 27 2015, 02:51 PM | ||
Thank you for further showing that you don't know jack.  My aunt, who is a thousand-percent computer illiterate (and a scumbag but I won't get into that) runs Ubuntu on her laptop. If you don't know her that probably doesn't sink in nearly as much, but just realize that she is completely computer stupid. Yet uses Ubuntu no prob.
Look familiar, sushiyummy32?  |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 27 2015, 02:57 PM |
| I will step in if this level of dialogue continues. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 27 2015, 03:19 PM |
Damn it Tessou, you're ruining all my fun.  Windows 10 sucks. Come at me with some actual evidence to the contrary. Refute the evidence I've already presented. Still waitin' on you, Falbere! |
| Posted by: BOZZ Dec 27 2015, 03:22 PM | ||
Jeez, with every post you make about Windows 10 it definitely is proving your point about how terrible it seems to be and reinforcing my belief that I should stay far, far away from it; so far the only problem I've had as of late with Windows 7 is that you can't fully disable the "Upgrade to Windows 10 notification", you can only hide it. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 27 2015, 03:28 PM | ||
Not true. Run http://pastebin.com/cPM9xKyC, then run the http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/. For some reason running the script will break Windows Update notifications, but GWX Control Panel's reset functionality restores it to normal. Only thing you have to be sure you do once you run the script is to make sure you hide the updates the script removes the next time you check for updates. If you do not do this, then the next time you go to update you'll reinstall the very updates you bothered to remove. |
| Posted by: sushiyummy32 Dec 27 2015, 03:28 PM |
| i dont know why or how discussing win 10 would end up in you trying to insult me. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 27 2015, 03:31 PM |
| Because you were attempting to make an argument for Windows 10 being an operating system where--and I quote--everything works, and that it's perfectly good for normal use. Because you backed up your 'argument' by providing evidence that you know absolutely nothing about the subject at hand and therefore have no business being a party to the discussion. Because after several posts where this was made clear you continued to post, and at that point it just becomes a joke. That explanation should suffice. |
| Posted by: BOZZ Dec 27 2015, 03:35 PM | ||
Sweet, thanks for the heads up, I'll try that out. At the very least, I'm happy there is a way to prevent Windows Update from auto downloading Windows 10 by editing the registry. |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 27 2015, 03:48 PM | ||
Only because I love you so much.  |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 27 2015, 03:55 PM | ||||
Haven't had to edit the registry on my end, but whatever works!
I hate that I haven't met you in person yet.  |
| Posted by: 207 Dec 27 2015, 06:50 PM | ||
same here. i know no new OS will be without its "teething issues" though W10 takes it to a while new level. the fact that microsoft thinks it knows better than you and does things without your consent is very scary. |
| Posted by: Shirogane Dec 27 2015, 11:10 PM |
| I just got a new laptop to replace the Lenovo Y50, and there's always a day when I wish it came with 8.1 instead. As much as I love the start menu... It had to be everything else that left a sour taste in my mouth. At least I still have a locale emulator... But that's it. |
| Posted by: Spaz Dec 28 2015, 07:20 AM |
| I've got 7 on my old desktop which is now acting as a server, and 8.1 on my new box. Neither will be updated to 10. I haven't had an issue with 10 on my Surface Pro 2, but I usually just use that for garage stuff, Netflix, and web browsing, occasional photo editing, so I really haven't found much of anything to complain about performance-wise. It works, and that's what I care about. |
| Posted by: Sensation! Dec 28 2015, 09:31 PM | ||||
Agreed.
Taken slightly out of context, but mild disagree with your point. My final pennies are these: 10 needs to work. Outside of bugs, the only thing that makes 10 a miss rather than a hit for me is MS's insistence that it knows what drivers and other software should be on your machine. I have a feeling they'll change this once they realize A. they're being flooded with complaints and it isn't worth it B. The risk of rolling a bad hardware patch and ruining several machines, something that is likely to happen and MS should realize soon that.....it isn't worth it... The moment W10 allows at LEAST pro users to select which updates to install and which to hide is the moment i'm okay with 10. Thats all it takes. 10 needs some tweaking, but even amidst its bloat, it is very snappy and does perform quite well, but this could just be my hardware making up for it. So in defense of KiwiArteezy, windows 10 ISNT perfect, not by a long shot, but it IS suitable for normal use. I do work with it, and I know the computers at a subsidiary of a certain italian brake company use 10 as well. An OS doesn't have to be perfect for normal, or even enterprise use. No OS is perfect anyway. Why did I roll with 10 and not 7 or 8.1 even though i clearly have he choice to go with either? Total mean uptime. 7,8.1, and 10 all require some initial tweaking for me. 10 more so than the others. But its not a big deal. Sticking with 10's bullshit now means I wont have to deal with performing a fresh install of 10 later. I only do fresh installs anyway..and yes, I'm implying that 10 will eventually be good. |
| Posted by: Falbere Dec 28 2015, 10:54 PM |
Here is MY windows 10 when it sits around and do nothing. Image size reduced, original size: 701 x 639. http://puu.sh/mce9o/b1ac792b0f.png to view the image in its original dimension. As you can see, I do not have any disk usage at all. That problem is clearly only on your end N1. I am not a power user, but please don't get me wrong. I did not recommend updating to 10 if he was in 7. I said upgrade if you like your auto updates always turned on and you are already on windows 8. Windows 8 already merged a quarter of the control panel anyway. Merging a bit more of it does not seem to be an issue on my end. Also, sorry for the late reply. I prettymuch never went past the broad index these few days. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 28 2015, 11:00 PM | ||
It was on the end of Windows 10, actually. I managed to fix it after a day's worth of tweaking settings both in Task Scheduler and the registry itself. I forget if I mentioned it here--I mentioned it on my Facebook when I first got 10--but I managed to get my machine to boot to desktop in 20 seconds and be useable in 40, which considering its primary drive was a shitty refurbished 5400 RPM Fujitsu was impressive. My point is you shouldn't have to. My point is I know what I'm doing and 10 still left me scratching my head. My point is that 10 still has several rather ridiculous huge bugs that Sensation! left out of his post above. If you don't run into any issues, I can only assume that you wouldn't run into any running Ubuntu either. But please, Falbere. I am still waiting for you to detail evidence on XP including a keylogger and 7 including advanced spy features as you claim. I believe we would all benefit from such an education. |
| Posted by: Falbere Dec 28 2015, 11:14 PM |
| For one, I did not tweak anything or mess with the registry. That hard drive usage is what came with my windows 10 on clean install. As for the boot speed, I agree that it runs pretty well. I am on a nice SSD here and it prettymuch can open chrome tabs 10 second after i click the power button. As for the bugs, as I am more of a normie guy (who leaves auto updates on), The bugs are either being patched or patching up. I have heard the weird error sounds when shutting down before. But they had not been happening recently. Of course, Microsoft could've done better in many ways. But for a very casual user like me, Most of the Windows OSes works just fine for my daily task of browsing the web and occasionally playing videogames. As for Ubuntu. Well, you see, Windows have a lot of retard-proof things in place. While on linux: Oh you want to delete your OS drive? Sure! Not saying Ubuntu is bad, actually less restrictions is preferred by many people as well. It just depends on how much of fail-proofing you need. I am sticking to Windows 10, not because I don't love Windows 7, but because I already switched to a Windows 8 pre-laoded laptop now (and the UEFI stuff really seem to hate windows 7 for some reason), Since 8 and 10 are both crap, why not stick with fresher crap? |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 28 2015, 11:23 PM |
| Oh, so you were on an SSD where you wouldn't have noticed any of the issues with mechanical hard drives posted above. Thanks for the clarification. And yet again you have intentionally--I can only assume--avoided providing evidence for your own earlier argument. Please provide evidence that Windows XP included a keylogger. Please provide evidence that 7 is as intrusive as 10. These are your arguments, so the onus is on you to either provide evidence or retract your statements. I'm still waiting. |
| Posted by: Falbere Dec 28 2015, 11:25 PM |
| I was wrong. |
| Posted by: APX Dec 28 2015, 11:26 PM |
| Now gobble them nuts. |
| Posted by: Sensation! Dec 29 2015, 08:35 PM | ||||||||||||||
Generally, If I don't notice it, I tend to not care about it until I do. Ignorance is bliss after all. That said, I decided to comb the thread a bit more, perhaps I may have missed something you might have brought up that I do care about. So I came upon the whole Windows 8/10 defragging your SSD issue as I glanced over it initially, and I thought I'd clear a few things up by doing a PSA which will make Kiwiarteezy play Dota in relative relief again, but first, a relevant story. Especially one that pertains to being blissfully ignorant until its too late.... ..or so i thought. About, 5 months ago, I noticed my Windows 8 laptop cranking away on one of its HDD.
Sure enough, the disk was being worked on, but what exactly? I wasn't downloading anything. Well, eventually by looking through some services, windows was currently defragging my disk.
but then, I noticed something much more disturbing, this time pertaining to my boot drive..
OH MY GOD. I HAVE BEEN DEFRAGGING MY SSD ONCE A WEEK FOR A YEAR NOW. I just about blew up my laptop right then and there. It's a Thinkpad, it'll endure much in the amount of impacts against solid objects from sheer rage. My heart just about sank.
Curiosity ultimately got the better of me.
I highlighted the drive, mouse cursor over the optimize button..
Now, I don't recommend burning yourself with a lighter to find out whether or not fire is ACTUALLY hot. But I will conclude the story real shortly here. But first... This is the windows 8/10 drive optimization menu, and here it is on my desktop machine.  Image size reduced, original size: 816 x 564. http://i.imgur.com/Ud2zJkA.jpg to view the image in its original dimension. SOLID STATE DRIVE. 20 DAYS SINCE LAST RUN. SCHEDULE: MONTHLY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DESTROY THE SITH, NOT JOIN THEM. YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BRING BALANCE TO THE FORCE, NOT LEAVE IT IN DARKNESS. Now, now. Calm yourselves ladies and gents. If this were Windows 7, yes, my SSD was de-fragged 20 days ago. But its not 7. The optimize drive and defrag options of 8 and 10 work a bit differently and Microsoft is EXTREMELY vague about it. So what happens if you click on optimize for a SSD?  Image size reduced, original size: 828 x 586. http://i.imgur.com/y4yrPj7.jpg to view the image in its original dimension.  Image size reduced, original size: 828 x 341. http://i.imgur.com/cMTeKS7.jpg to view the image in its original dimension. It doesn't Defrag the SSD. In fact if windows detects your drive as a SSD. It will never defrag it. Ever. Only You can choose to defrag it by going into CMD and affixing /D to the command. The optimize button and functions is equivalent to the parameter /O. Such as Defrag c: /o If windows detects your drive as a SSD, the /o parameter will ALWAYS trim the drive, if it sees it as a HDD, it will ALWAYS defrag it. So to conclude my story. I sighed in relief. The end. Because 7(when configured properly), 8 and 10 is performing TRIM for you, it makes sense to leave the schedule on (for 8 and 10). You can tick which drives need to be optimized, which in my case, is my SSD only, the HDD's don't need to be defragged. Thus Windows will ONLY retrim my SSD once a month. Thats it. Hope it clears a few things up. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 29 2015, 10:20 PM |
| Oh word, today I learned that TRIM is handled properly by default but that it's done through Defrag for some ungodly reason (which I assume is M$ being lazy and reusing an interface rather than creating a new one). Cool, so I'll retract one negative point from 8/8.1/10. Still grossly in the negative, but hey, it's one point closer to zero! |
| Posted by: Sensation! Dec 29 2015, 10:25 PM | ||
I'm hoping it'll reach zero.. I'm REALLY hoping here.. As soon as I have control over my updates and software, windows 10 will be a better 8.1 for me.. |
| Posted by: sushiyummy32 Dec 30 2015, 12:23 AM |
| i went full stupid. cord on trackpad. |
| Posted by: Kiroshino Dec 30 2015, 02:32 PM |
| My new laptop came with Windows 10. Been using it for a few weeks. Only a few things went wrong for me: 1) Buggy wifi. Have to disable/enable the adapter to get it working every now and then. Could be a hardware or driver issue. 2) No browsers (Chrome, Firefox, IE, Edge) work 100%. Mostly issues with flashplayer, specifically with video quality and it playing audio at 100% volume regardless of the actual volume setting. Also missing some web controls. 3) My touchpad periodically becomes unresponsive. No issues with wired and wireless mice. Could be a hardware or driver issue. 4) First time launching games after Steam first loads takes two tries. Boots up faster than my Windows 7 machines and uses fewer resources. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 30 2015, 11:26 PM | ||
This is a driver issue. It's well-documented by users across the web that there are some serious problems with certain chipsets. The onus is on the manufacturer to provide a proper driver, but hell, certain manufacturers haven't even released drivers that won't BSOD a Windows 7 box, let alone work properly on 10.  |
| Posted by: Shirogane Dec 30 2015, 11:43 PM |
| Even I had to admit that my WiFi on the MSi laptop's been acting up as of recent (random disconnects, anyone?) I guess I'm glad it's nothing too serious like a hardware issue from what I'm reading. |
| Posted by: xiao Dec 31 2015, 04:11 AM | ||
| I hate Windows 8... actually I just hate Alienware for not supplying me with a Reg-key, because apparently updating the BIOS locks me out until I input the very same key that I don't have... no problem right, I'll just call Alienware and tell them what happened correct? Oh ho ho, Alienware customer service isn't open until 8 AM!! Arrrggghh, urge to buy a Barret Anti-Material rifle and blow up this piece of junk, rising like Raiden's metallic-buttx0rz... yare yare~ also, 10 instances of Chrome YouTube videos is what caused the crash, which forced me to update the BIOS... never buy Alienbloop guys; if you're feeling lazy enough not to build your own rig... at least get a Digital Storm and/or a Falcon North~Punch!!1 xD Anyway, anyone know how I can attain this mythical free Win 10 upgrade?? or I'm just gonna go cry myself to sleepz with my mistress Windows Mizuki... (TωT) Also, here's a pic of xiao at Radioshaku... because insomnia? I love you Imgur!! xP
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| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 31 2015, 04:25 AM |
Radioshack still exists where you are!?  They're completely gone here...w-wow. Sasuga Tekushasu.Anyway, you're not screwed if you want to get creative. You could always run Windows in--oh, wait, 8.1. I'm not sure if my trick works on 8.1. You could try cracking it I guess, I'm sure there are ways and I just never bothered looking into it. As for the free 10 update, it's not mythical at all. If your Windows 8.1 is legitimate (fix that problem you just created!) and up-to-date you should be unable to avoid the nagging prompt to hurry up and install it. You are on 8.1 and not 8, right? My solution would be to completely blow away your machine and start over with 7, but that's because I have a burning hatred for both subsequent OSes. Your mileage and level of irritation may vary.  |
| Posted by: xiao Dec 31 2015, 05:22 AM | ||
Yeah! We have like 6 Radioshacks all over the city, but not a single Fry's Electronix!? xD Look~  Image size reduced, original size: 1024 x 579. http://i.imgur.com/8W6I1SIh.jpg to view the image in its original dimension. Yeah I'm upgrading my currently locked version of 8.1 64 Bit, to Win 10 64... what's the difference between Pro and Home btw?? Can you tell I've never worked at a data-center before... I mean if Pro's faster I can understand shilling out the extra 100 bucks, but if it's just glossy junk, I can get that out of my PS3 thank you very mucho Micro$lapz!  ... speaking of which, I got bored so~ Image size reduced, original size: 1024 x 576. http://i.imgur.com/pPlMmZKh.jpg to view the image in its original dimension.  Image size reduced, original size: 1024 x 576. http://i.imgur.com/Gr2HU92h.jpg to view the image in its original dimension. If I don't see Windooze 10 speed up my overall PC performance, I'm gonna buy good old Mizuki Nana! <3 |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 31 2015, 05:54 AM |
| https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-editions |
| Posted by: sushiyummy32 Jan 1 2016, 04:15 AM |
| Groove music (Default win 10 music player) crashes my headset drivers. 10/10 |
| Posted by: xiao Jan 1 2016, 06:30 AM |
| Welp... time to shell out 200 bucks for Windoz-10... ...never update your BIOS on a Pre-Built PC with no sticker-key, guy...... orz ...I'll try & hold off for the next couple of hours... but this d3v-mode Build 9600 of Windows 8.1 sucks even more than the one I already have... If anyone has any help on how to activate this piece of srap d3v-copy I used to gain access to my files on Win-8.1... or more legitimately to get the original Win 8.1 key that's supposedly in this piece of junk Alienware BIOS/mobo~ so I can DL a free copy of Win~10 without having to fork-out 200 bucks~ would be much appreciated! XD I used one of those dumb MSDS(M)-Table whatever Windows Key recovery programs... only to have it give me the silly Dev-Key I used to gain access to WIndows 8.1 ~ but it won't let me activate & download a copy of WIndows 10... I called Alienware 10 Times! ...and the Tech Support penguins with the enchilada-accents told me the same thing every time: 'Ohh sorry, you lost your key... it's technically in the BIOS, but you can't recover it now... you're gonna have to buy Windows 8.1 again, because we don't have the key LOLOLOLOL!!' *sigh* I hate buying software, especially OS'es... methinks they're overpriced pieces of Ones & Zeroes~ let's go work for ZAFT and make an OS named O.M.N.I. guys!! who's down!?  Image size reduced, original size: 1575 x 840. http://i.imgur.com/PmpZCMo.jpg to view the image in its original dimension. |
| Posted by: BOZZ Jan 1 2016, 12:28 PM |
| So there's no way to grab it from the BIOS? I was under the impression that even if you can't get it from the BIOS that Windows 8 setup auto-detects the key. Someone else might want chime in on this, but I recently http://www.howtogeek.com/206329/how-to-find-your-lost-windows-or-office-product-keys/ that might do the trick. I haven't used it myself, but it might be useful for you. |
| Posted by: Tessou Jan 1 2016, 12:35 PM |
| Getting a product key from BIOS isn't impossible by a long shot. Don't pay money until you're completely out of options, which you aren't. |
| Posted by: APX Jan 1 2016, 12:51 PM |
| There's still a radioshack here, the ones in the major city, about 10 or minute drive away are completely gone. Still have a damn giftcard i need to get rid of from t here as well too. Q_Q |
| Posted by: xiao Jan 1 2016, 01:38 PM | ||
Thanks Bozz~man, but it's no dice... orz The 1st method I tried was running the productkey.vbs script Pirillo put on his site... the key it gave me did nothing, ie. it didn't allow me to activate Win 8.1 nor let me update to Win 10. The 2nd method I tried was the ProduKey programme, and both keys didn't work. This ProduKey app gave me the same generic Dev key which is currently allowing me to run Win 8.1 to access my files. I'm out of ideas, especially if the dumb Alienwear BIOS somehow got rewritten with the Dev key I used to pry open Windows... then the original key is really lost!? XD *sigh* I hate Alienw3rd, bloody inept lo-spec computers... and MicroShaft won't gimme a key cause, lolpayusmoneynow! ...I should've just built a PC to begin with~ I totally agree with you Tess, I hate paying money for OS'es in general, lol. xD Any ideas peeps??   Image size reduced, original size: 2960 x 900. http://i.imgur.com/WSf267t.jpg to view the image in its original dimension. |
| Posted by: Tessou Jan 1 2016, 01:43 PM |
| Use an older OS with free keys everywhere? |
| Posted by: BOZZ Jan 1 2016, 01:44 PM |
| Damn, so is there nothing at all in the BIOS settings at all? I know on a friend's laptop when you access the BIOS there was a section that had the key listed. Does Dell/Alienware offer some sort of recovery disc you can download or buy for your laptop? |
| Posted by: xiao Jan 1 2016, 02:15 PM | ||||
Windows 7 is looking pretty good right about now~
Nothin' man, the BIOS is your standard config~screen with your clock and boot-settings opitions, but nothing about any sort of Key or windows related entries~ The guys at Alienware keep going through the same steps with me, until they give up or just tell me I gotta buy Win 8.1 again... orz One guy in the software department, I guess it's their version Tech Support's Geek Squad(?) took over my computer via some remote Dell application, went through my registry into the Product Key Tables and found blank entries under some drop-down lists, and the standard Dev key under others, so he gave up and told me to call Microsoft... then I called MS and they told me the same thing, to buy Windows 10 for 120 or 200... ...dang!  Also, I think updating the Alienware BIOS completely re-wrote the firmware, which had the Windows 8.1 Key in together with the old code? |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 1 2016, 02:24 PM |
| If you do use Windows 7, don't bother with keys. Run it in trial mode forever. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: xiao Jan 1 2016, 02:32 PM | ||
mwuahahahah~!! Will take that into consideration. I only get the keys because in Windows 8.1 it keeps popping up an annoying blue screen telling me to activate the Key every 5 minutes~ XD Also, because the updates won't connect unless it's a legitimately activated copy. :V But yeah... can Windows 7 run like normal on a trial copy; will it update; any pop-up screens telling me to activate it; Home or Pro; and where can I attain such legendary software? Cause I really want that Windows Nana banana after learning it'll be supported until 2020. Yeah, everybody says it's basically Win XP 2.0, which is awesome! =D |
| Posted by: Tessou Jan 1 2016, 02:40 PM |
| It's also very possible to run 8.1 in trial mode indefinitely. |
| Posted by: xiao Jan 1 2016, 02:44 PM | ||
Indeed, but it won't update and the activation pop-up ever 5 minutes makes watching videos a pain in the butt, cause it's not a normal pop-up but the whole 8.1 shell unfolds across all screens. xD |
| Posted by: sushiyummy32 Jan 1 2016, 02:52 PM |
| i remember cracked my 8.1 using something and microsoft gave me a win 10 upgrade. Will link you if i find it again. Senpai :3 |
| Posted by: xiao Jan 1 2016, 02:58 PM | ||
D'awww thanks dude!!（´・ω・｀） It'll certainly save me a hundred bucks I'd rather spend on illegal substances for my favourite Kiwi~roll... >:3 Also, it's onii-chan not senpai dangit!! |
| Posted by: Tessou Jan 1 2016, 03:02 PM |
| I forget the exact process, but there's a way to remove 8.1's activation checks so it doesn't pester you anymore. I ran my copy like that for months. |
| Posted by: sushiyummy32 Jan 1 2016, 03:41 PM | ||
http://kmspico10.com/ It might be this one onii-chan~~ But 4/54 on virustotal soo use at your own risk https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/e84f9e06c80701799d8a9b7dc55a882b1ceece46f4a0ddfc917b2967aa01e7b2/analysis/ |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 1 2016, 05:17 PM |
| Trial mode is legitimate. It is fully-functional and does not bother about a key. When the trial runs out you just run it again (I have a script that does it for me). There is no annoyance with keys, and best of all it is not a crack or hack so you use a normal untouched Windows 7 disc. No games, no Microsoft shafting you later. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: BOZZ Jan 1 2016, 11:04 PM | ||
Interesting, I'm surprised Microsoft hasn't gotten around to closing that kind of a hole, not that I complaining about it, just interesting they haven't fixed it. |
| Posted by: Sensation! Jan 2 2016, 02:53 AM | ||
MS doesnt care. Well, that's a lie, they probably do care. But the majority of the money MS makes comes from volume licenses to businesses and OEMS. Thousands of joe-schmos using oddly licensed versions of windows does minimal damage to MS. It would financially hurt MS more to spend the resources to try and go after them. Thus we have products like W10 and the so called 'spying' updates of 8.1 and 7. Big data is where all the money is, MS is smart to know that. Why go after pirates when you can use them to make money for you? Hence why W10 is 'free' and why MS is so aggressive in pushing you to upgrade. Google does the same exact thing with android. MS lately really wants a piece of Google's pie. I'm more than okay with two companies competing in big data rather than having just one company dominate it all... Having none would be best, but we're way past that stage now, it's far too late. |
| Posted by: sushiyummy32 Jan 3 2016, 09:54 PM |
| GODDAMN XIAO WHY IS EVERYTHING ON THE DESKTOP. |
| Posted by: sushiyummy32 Jan 4 2016, 12:14 AM |
| 5376 x 3024 WHAT ARE YOU TAKING PHOTOS WITH |
| Posted by: SgtXDNX Jan 4 2016, 12:55 AM | ||
My camera pops out JPEGs at 5184 x 3456, it's not that strange a size. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 4 2016, 02:23 AM |
| >Edge is actually a good browser How do you define 'good', exactly?  |
| Posted by: Tessou Jan 4 2016, 10:16 AM |
| How is Edge better than Explorer when they are one and the same? "I use Bing as my default search engine."  |
| Posted by: khat17 Jan 21 2016, 07:16 PM |
Let's see if I can jump in. I know that someone (N1  ) will probably give more details but let's see if I can make it simple.As you all know, Windows was a poor attempt by M$ to get a GUI since other companies (Apple) had one. They succeeded in taking over the world by better marketing. Not better programming. Not that I like Apple considering they're basically using a customized version of Linux and selling it at ungodly rates........... Anyways. Before NT while there were bugs these were manageable. As the move towards cloud computing and data mining became more prevalent things eventually gave birth to 10. N1 will tell you how Vista/7 are the same under the hood - but from a user perspective they're very different. The overall user eXPerience is different .Windows 10. Overall not a bad OS. Problems would be............
There's my 2 cents. Hopefully it will make things easier. Did they improve on it? Yes. Is it perfect? No. As for the previous Linux reference - which distro did you use and had problems with your graphics driver? And you are aware that unless you're using SteamOS or something else with WINE/Cedega you can't game on Linux right? |
| Posted by: BOZZ Jan 22 2016, 05:40 AM | ||
Jeez, the more I hear the story of "Windows 10 is like a virus", the less I want to even try to play around with it... I'll be honest part of the rationale of asking for other people's opinions on Windows 10 was to try it out, but thankfully N1's posts and a few others have convinced me otherwise... As for the bit about Apple, they've given away their OS for free for at least 2-3 years now, since 2013 I think? Even when they sold their OS, it was quite a bit cheaper than what Microsoft was charging for Windows upgrades. As far as I remember, Apple's Mac OS X isn't a customized version of Linux, it's not based on Linux, it's actually based on Unix (which Linux is also based on) and BSD. |
| Posted by: khat17 Jan 22 2016, 07:40 AM |
| That's why I said "basically" - the thing is that I could probably say the price was justified when they had the Motorola stuff in use, but now they're using Intel like everyone else - no reason their things have to be so bloody expensive. Unless it's the customer service/support that you're paying for. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 22 2016, 08:46 AM | ||
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-other_settings/windows-10-increases-volume-by-itself/d11b5db9-37ff-4978-960a-89d475d74ee0?auth=1 http://www.tenforums.com/drivers-hardware/30581-volume-changing-itself.html |
| Posted by: BOZZ Jan 22 2016, 08:01 PM | ||
Hehe, true, I remember one of my profs when I was back in University had said Mac OS X was in between Windows and Linux, in that it had a lot more software and support like Windows and the underlying security and technologies of Linux/Unix. |
| Posted by: Möbius Feb 3 2016, 05:48 PM |
| Heads up in case anyone didn't see it yet, but Microsoft is set to move Windows 10 from an "Optional" update to a "Recommended" update. It basically means that depending on the users' Windows Update settings ( i.e. default of “Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates” ) and running Windows 7 or later, Windows 10 would download and install as an automatic update! |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Feb 3 2016, 05:50 PM | ||
Important PSA for those who don't turn automatic updates completely off, but then, who in their right mind wouldn't? |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 3 2016, 06:57 PM |
| A shocking number of our members. Anyway, to Xiao who said Edge is a good browser, it's been outed as saving your browsing history when you use its private browsing mode. It even flags the history as having been from private browsing so everyone knows it. Source: http://betanews.com/2016/01/30/stop-using-microsoft-edges-inprivate-mode-if-you-value-your-privacy/ [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: 207 Feb 3 2016, 07:17 PM | ||
thank you very much for the warning Möbius. i usually check the important updates that i'll chose before i it the update button. i got another thing i need to watch out for now. they havent yet changed my windows 10 options but im just getting 3 optional updates onto my Windows 7. i dont believe im running the default option for windows 7 update. i just changed the update settings to check for updates but give me the option when and which to download. does that say the choice for "give me recommended updates the same way i receive important updates" being checked as yes will automatically put windows 10? if so ive just removed the check mark. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 3 2016, 08:03 PM |
| It will only do it automatically if you have Windows Update set to install/download automatically. If you have it set to off or check-only you're fine but need to review the updates to make sure you're not installing one related to 10. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: 207 Feb 3 2016, 08:13 PM | ||
thank you very much for the reply Nomake Wan. under important updates: i changed the default (1st choice) update setting to "check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them". under recommended updates: i removed the check mark for the option "give me recommended updates the same way i receive important updates" not sure if this would make a difference but im erring on the side of caution atm. i'll need to check my parents PC for the options to avoid getting windows 10 on their PC too. they're running W7 and they dont want W10 at all either. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 4 2016, 12:56 AM | ||
I have this checked, actually. Since I have it set to check-only it's not a problem. |
| Posted by: 207 Feb 4 2016, 07:45 AM | ||
thank you very much Nomake Wan. i just restored the option "give me recommended updates the same way i receive important updates" this thread has been very helpful to me. i dont intend to switch to windows 10 anytime soon so anything to delay their tactics or OS options helps me out alot. |
| Posted by: Sensation! Feb 4 2016, 07:49 AM |
| I have a very strong feeling that the "upgrade to windows for free" period that Microsoft set (which was supposed to be a year, should end this june) will be repealed and 10 will be a permanent free upgrade.. |
| Posted by: BOZZ Feb 4 2016, 02:52 PM | ||
Any word on when that'll happen? |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 4 2016, 03:06 PM | ||
It already has. That was the change on Patch Tuesday. |
| Posted by: BOZZ Feb 4 2016, 03:44 PM |
| Ohhhhhhhhhh.... Looks like I got to go make a change real soon. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 4 2016, 04:55 PM |
| Leaving automatic updates set to automatic: not even once. Check-only since 2001. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Möbius Feb 4 2016, 05:18 PM | ||||||
Bingo. I would hazard a guess at a vast majority of Windows users.
No problem.
Same here, wouldn't trust Microsoft for anything... |
| Posted by: Lebon14 Feb 5 2016, 07:27 PM |
| I tried Windows 10 for less than 24 hours before teh end of the year 2015. I had an issue that I did NOT want to deal with in any shape or form. Basically, copying a large number of files from one of my HDD to my 2nd Gen SSD (a 3Gb/s SSD) would only copy a portion of the files and not the whole thing. Yes, you heard that right. Checking the properties of the "Document" folder on C:\ and the backup "Document" folder on G:\ would reveal that the copy on C:\ was incomplete. I did NOT want to deal with that shit. It does not do that on Windows 7. It's the major reason I reverted. Then, I had ergonomical issues that I could not bare with such as: - where the "All programs" button is - the fuckton of "apps" pre-installed you don't need - Start menu tiles, but not as bad as Win8/8.1 full screen start screen - The "Settings" menu is different. A "different" I could not bare with. - Setting a default is so fucking broken and backward. When you can't set your favorite software by their "By default" function anymore... NOPE. - Of course, there's the data sent to MS but that's easily configured with ShutUp10. There are some 2 plus though... + The right-click on the start menu button gives a ton of handy shortcut. + Love the new Task Manager and Ribbon menus in Explorer... but that was added in Win8 so nota Win10 feature. I didn't even test the virtual desktop though... ALSO I'd like to inform you guys of these Windows 7 updates (and Windows 8 too I believe). Those updates are recommanded updates. http://www.infoworld.com/article/2981947/microsoft-windows/the-truth-about-windows-7-and-81-spy-patches-kb-3068708-3022345-3075249-and-3080149.html You guessed it, these updates do send info to MS! So, remove and hide them. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 6 2016, 12:44 AM |
| The right-click shortcut can also be accessed via WIN+X. It's been in since Windows 8. |
| Posted by: 207 Feb 6 2016, 10:49 AM | ||
are these 4 optional patches that send data par of the newest patches available? i usually install all the optional KB30_________ updates possible to have all the protection possible. i did a search for the exact number of the patch releases (on previously installed updates) but came up empty for that particular patch update set of numbers. i hope that its good news, however ive DDL'd all the previous patches for MS 7 in the past so i dont know how many similar patches they've sent out in the past few months/years. at worst, what damage (if any) can done by sending all that data to MS do? i hope it they wont try to use it to sneak windows 10 onto the PCs for OS 7/8.1 despite "fixing" the windows 7/8.1 OS system update settings to block "recommended" WIN 10. edit: i just found the option to opt out of the customer experience program and ended that MS option. |
| Posted by: BOZZ Feb 6 2016, 02:55 PM | ||
I just did a search and the first one that came up is a Microsoft support document that details what the update does (collects diagnostic information): https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3068708 Btw, are those 4 patches the only ones? Another site I read noted the following patches (including some of the previous four) as well:
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| Posted by: 207 Feb 6 2016, 05:58 PM | ||
wow thanks Bozz, thats quite a few. though i dont have skype on my PC. i most definitely have atleast a few of thoseeof those patches on my PC. im really tempted to remove the patch KB2923545 - A patch related to Remote Desktop Protocol i honestly do not like any sort of remote access for my PC. if any work needs to be done on my PC then i'd rather have it done in person than over the web. |
| Posted by: Lebon14 Feb 6 2016, 06:59 PM | ||
It's just a protocol, like HTTP. It's not a service or software for remote access. Even if you remove that update, it's just going to "unpatch" the security hole or whatever it did. The protocol is still going to be there. |
| Posted by: 207 Feb 6 2016, 08:44 PM | ||
thank you very much. i'll probably just leave it alone and try to avoid some more optional KB_________ patches in the future. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 6 2016, 10:43 PM | ||
Y'all are being MEGA paranoid, damn. The only ones I'm aware of are:
The rest I've seen are unrestricted paranoia with no source, or a lack of knowledge about what the actual update entails (such as one paranoid idiot who recommended uninstalling an update that allows programs designed to run in 10 to run in 7 just because '10' was listed in the update title). |
| Posted by: 207 May 29 2016, 03:15 PM | ||
| there's a new update regarding the sneak update for windows 10 http://uk.businessinsider.com/windows-10-pop-ups-tricking-users-into-upgrading-x-2016-5
this sneaky trick applies to the small blue corner pop up notice and the large center-screen white notice to upgrade your OS. given this imformtion, does this sneaky POS ad circumvent the OS update setting which you chose the PC to check for updates but needs your permission to update anything on your OS? |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan May 29 2016, 06:01 PM | ||
If you already have the GWX app installed--you'll know, because you'll be getting those annoying pop-ups about Windows 10--then yes, it does circumvent that. GWX and Windows Update are separate. GWX has way more authority than you give Windows Update. This is why if you don't want to get 'upgraded' like a Cyberman, you'll want to use http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ to DE-LETE all traces of GWX from your machine before it's too late. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm May 30 2016, 09:45 AM |
| This kind of slimey sneaky shit makes me wonder if there could be a class-action lawsuit in order... |
| Posted by: BOZZ May 30 2016, 11:11 AM | ||
This behaviour seems borderline unethical from Microsoft, at least you don't see other OS makers (Android, Mac OS, iOS, Linux), be it for mobile or desktop, forcing their users to upgrade against their will. |
| Posted by: 207 May 30 2016, 11:22 AM | ||||
thank you very much for that link, Doctor Who saved the day again from disaster. it worked wonders for that annoying pop up. my father fell for that windows sneak just recently and was trying to have norton 360 sort out the issue on the forced update. he's not the most tech savy but he's not clueless either, more like average to say the least. just to be clear, im not doubting the source of that GWX control panel. if you trust that tool enough to use it on your PC then i will also trust it on mine. my father is rather suspicious of any 3rd party program/add-ons. what is the story behind the GWX app? he doesnt know about that app atm but he likely wont be too enthusiastic to DL/install it unless it comes from a trusted source. he usually trusts the crap Microsoft/windows spit out but as we've seen, windows 10 OS can be very sneaky. i doubt the GWX app is from a Window OS source app. how did GWX control panel come along? i also have to do a few updates to my PC and one important update is KB 3035583. i read on a YT comment that it had something to do with the WIN 10 update app. is it true and if so does the GWX remover nullify it too? @BOZZ: i dont think they'd have a class action suit unless it causes a lot of inconvenience/time lost to businesses and individuals who were to late to catch onto it and got forced updates on their systems. though a class action suit would serve as a wrist slap to the Windows OS developers to be more forthcoming about those stupid and sneaky tricks of theirs. i do agree that this sneaky trick stinks to high hell and is far from ethical. its what happens when you have a monopoly on certain devices and can do whatever the hell you want to them. they really should learn a lesson. @ Tessou: the sneak updates have already caught many off guard in the past few day/week who usually just hit the "X" button. another article https://www.thestar.com/business/2016/05/29/microsoft-denies-forcing-windows-10-upgrade.html
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| Posted by: Tessou May 30 2016, 11:25 AM |
| I'm on alert for this. My laptop cannot work with 10 due to Samsung's weird communication with the GPU. Killing the update dialog is at the top of my priorities. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm May 30 2016, 12:53 PM | ||||
Apple forces iOS updates when you take your phone in to be serviced. I assume they do the same with their computers.
How does he even use his computer then? |
| Posted by: Tessou May 30 2016, 01:13 PM |
| Only uses Notepad and IE? |
| Posted by: 207 May 30 2016, 01:25 PM | ||
he uses it like any normal person does, IE, work, YT, Microsoft office etc, and any normal functions of a PC. his biggest 3rd party programs dislikes are stuff like bit torrents, music/file sharing sites and the like. its only a few 3rd party programs that he doesnt want to see on his PC. atm he's kinda thinking of sticking with win10 as microsoft may pull the plug on the previous OS in some time but he's yet to reply to my text that it can go back to win7. i dont know what his decision will be until he calls me back. do you think that microsoft will try to shorten the period that they'll support win 7/8 just so they can force more people to win 10? they'll come with new tactics if they're pushing this hard for win 10 and people are still resisting. it would be a huge a-hole moment if they tried that shit when the free upgrade ends *unjinx* . |
| Posted by: Tessou May 30 2016, 02:02 PM |
| It's not the end of the world if they stop supporting the old OS. |
| Posted by: 207 May 30 2016, 02:04 PM | ||
true, its just that you are risking the security as they wont do anymore updates. edit: my father found the opt out option for windows 10 so its all solved for the most part. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan May 30 2016, 05:02 PM |
| If all you did was opt out you'll automatically be opted in later. M$ already confirmed this. 207, you and your father have your terms confused. GWX is the "Get Windows 10" (get it? X = 10) app that Microsoft forced on you. It's that stupid thing in the corner tricking you into installing Windows 10. GWX Control Panel is a third-party program that you can run in portable mode (no need to install at all) in order to wipe all traces of Windows 10 from your machine, then delete if you so desire. It's perfectly safe to use and I have done so on any machine where the user doesn't want Windows 10. Do note, however, that if you choose to run it once then delete it you will need to be vigilant about your Windows Updates in the future. Every update cycle Microsoft will reissue the Get Windows 10 app as a 'critical' update even if you chose to hide it (because it's treated as a 'new' update rather than an existing update). Your choice is either to be vigilant and make sure you disable automatic updates and click 'More Information' for each update before installing (to see if it's related to Windows 10) or to keep GWX Control Panel running in 'monitor' mode to do it for you. I repeat--even if you hid the update, it will come back automatically. Even if you opted out, you will be opted back in. Use GWX Control Panel to get your system back, or embrace Windows 10. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: 207 May 31 2016, 12:07 PM | ||
thank you again N1, i'll warn my father that the POS alert will come right back soon enough. i installed the GWX app and blocked that damn win 10 alert. i will keep the app on my PC as im not ready to embrace WIN10. i might do so later on when they phase out the WIN7 updates. im not too crazy about windows 8 but i do hope by then M$ win 10 has its shit together to be an acceptable option. so for the time being, it'll tell WIN 10 where to stick it (preferably in a dark stinky place). i didnt mind that win10 free update app before windows went the malware route to force the upgrade with the "x" button, now it just infuriates me they pulled that sneaky BS on everyone. which sort of person/group created this god send GWX app? also i did read on another article that you can use win7/8's own settings to hide the alert/notice. has WIN10 circumvented this already? if i understand your post correctly then they already have worked around it. i set my OS updates (+my father's) to check only and ask for my permission before downloading any updates several months back when i first heard they were classifying win 10 as an "important update." |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan May 31 2016, 12:28 PM | ||||||
No, you installed the GWX Control Panel. The GWX App was already installed on your PC by Microsoft. Again, please do try to clarify your terms so as to reduce confusion. GWX = Get Windows 10. Forced on you by Microsoft. GWX Control Panel = Application to eradicate Windows 10 and its sneaky crap from your PC As for Windows 7 updates, its lifetime is slated to end in January 2020. You have time.
You didn't mind it because you didn't know what it was actually doing in the background without your permission before they ever changed the functionality of the 'X' button. If you knew what it had been doing perhaps you would have cared more a lot earlier and we wouldn't be in this mess.
Just some guy with some know-how who hates Windows 10 and its bullshit more than I do. As for your question, you can hide the update and can uninstall the updates without using GWX Control Panel--GWX Control Panel simply gives you a braindead-simple way of doing it. However, as I mentioned already before, note that even if you do that they will come back every week or so as a 'critical' update through Windows Update, which is why GWX Control Panel has a 'monitor' mode. Personally I screen all my updates so I don't use monitor mode, but the option is there for those who are lazy or who can't understand KB articles. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm May 31 2016, 01:29 PM | ||
That'll never happen because as far as Microsoft is concerned, Win10 already has its shit together for the purpose it was intended for - to be a glorified piece of spyware. |
| Posted by: 207 May 31 2016, 01:30 PM | ||
sorry for using the wrong terminology, its good to know they have another 4 years to get it together should they desire so. i was only recently made aware it was an additional app and its true that most of the programming behind it was a foreign language to me. i cant monitor/understand the KB articles so the GWX control panel monitoring is the best route for me. those "critical" updates are sure to frustrate people even more but good to know that they must be vigilant of them. does KB 3035583 have anything to do with the win 10? its the only important update i have yet to get onto my PC. i read on a YT comment it had something to do with GWX app that's been annoying everyone. i did download the other 7-9 KB XXXXX updates but i was only possibly alerted to KB 3035583. @kyonpalm: thats too bad for them. they were a decent OS before they got into this spyware crap. spyware or not, the fact they forced so many useless programs on you in win 10 turned me off right away. to be honest, i dont much like the tablet-type hiding bars of tablets or PCs. i like to see where the icons are at all times. it might be a bit more messy but atleast i dont have to probe each corner for the right scroll bar. my aunt has a relatively new laptop with Win 10. it takes a bit to get used to but i see too many changes from win 7 that turn me off it. i saw that malware remover program on her laptop and got momentarily scared thinking it was on win7 OS only to figure out it win 10. still theres so many new programs that i cant bring myself to trust it. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan May 31 2016, 03:30 PM | ||
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| Posted by: RalliKai May 31 2016, 04:19 PM |
| Folks called me way back when WinX came out and I did the whole hide update shebang and told them how to keep it off their computer. Now they're thinking of upgrading though and from what I've heard, Microsoft has resolved alot of issues that occurred in its early days. Letting them decide still. As for my machines; I'm sticking to Windows 7 for as long as it works. My next PC build though, I'm fairly certain now is going to be a Linux machine. |
| Posted by: 207 May 31 2016, 04:22 PM | ||
thank you very much, i will avoid DDl'ing that particular upgrade onto my PC. thankfully i had the OS update setting set early enough to avoid the release of this particular update. i also presume that GWX control panel nullifies this particular KB update?? |
| Posted by: Tessou May 31 2016, 04:33 PM |
| Somehow they swapped my update settings to "automatically install updates", which includes a lot of Win10 bullshit. I just removed the lot of it and GWX is no longer on my system. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan May 31 2016, 04:35 PM | ||
It only nullifies it if you have it running in monitor mode. If not you must be personally vigilant, as I've said. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: 207 May 31 2016, 04:50 PM | ||
thank you very much, i just set the monitoring mode on to prevent any extra things from passing onto my PC. do i need to bother with any sort of non critical win 10 settings? i just disabled them to be safe. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan May 31 2016, 06:03 PM | ||
I'm confused as to what you mean. Are you running Windows 10? If you are not running Windows 10, why do you have Windows 10 components on your machine at all? This should be straightforward. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: BOZZ Jun 1 2016, 11:24 AM | ||
That's news to me, I haven't had them force iOS updates on me personally when I've taken an iPhone in to them nor have I heard about it on the tech sites I frequently visit, maybe it's not a common thing? Same thing applies to their computers, AFAIK, unless you provide them with an administrator account privileges I am not sure they can even install updates. With this whole forced updating the OS stuff that Microsoft, I'm surprised that Linux advocates and distributions aren't trying to take of advantage of this stuff and to get eyes on their software. |
| Posted by: 207 Jun 1 2016, 11:39 AM | ||
no, im still running Win7. its just the extra options that you can block with GWX control panel. im referring to the things you can disable with the GWXcontrol panel ie " 'non-critical windows 10 settings enabled?' the reply to that was that i disabled them." its the confirmation option/tool just below " are windows 10 upgrades allowed" 4th option down on the right side column of the main GWX control panel screen. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Jun 1 2016, 11:46 AM | ||
IIRC it's in their policy. I know I had to when I brought my phone in to have the battery replaced. |
| Posted by: bendunk0234 Jul 13 2021, 09:06 PM |
| I love it- works great. Even converted back from Linux just because Windows 10 works so well. I lost my hard drive, rebuilt a new computer and logged into my Microsoft account (https://technumus.com/). Within 30 minutes all of my files- resume, pictures, movies, emails, everything- was back in their original folders (and also they were backup on in the cloud that comes with Windows 10). Kind of scary but very easy!!!! I was so glad not to lose all that stuff- I was almost in tears over it |
| Posted by: Syth Jun 12 2022, 03:44 PM |
| I dislike it because of the constant software updates. |
| Posted by: khat17 Sep 25 2022, 12:14 PM |
| Thread is old. Let's go into that though. I realize I talk/type a lot. Will try using the TLDR summary at first going forward. TLDR: Google "sledgehammer windows update" and use it. Unless you're staying on older software - you're probably on Win 10 by now. How do you make the experience more pleasant? Use tools to block all updates. IMO - M$ has not changed much in their MO. They try - but fail. Each Windows version comes out bright and shiny - lots of driver updates - usually backward compatible (except 10 and 11 in some cases). But then come the updates. As with older versions (XP and such) it's better to wait for the full SP version than all the little updates in between. Windows 10/11 now has their releases in a slightly different way. I think at the time of this post it's 21H2 - but the things that happened in between....I think the two most prevalent and troubling ones were... 1. Printing Issues 2. Update/Migration Issues With printing, some persons lost printing functionality to devices that were working before. With update/migration, if you upgraded from 7 to 10 (or 11?) you had files deleted after 10-30 days which may include documents and downloads. Not fun. So - do a search for SLEDGEHAMMER. Still one of the better tools to disable updates. Comes with features to temporarily enable updates if you want something from the store or such - but it gives you vanilla Windows without the updates. I forgot to mention - newer versions (and 11) basically force you to create a M$ account (Hotmail/Live). There are ways to bypass, but it's harder for the average person. |
