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It's come to the point were people are starting to make FF cars, like Honda, seem like the crappiest, good for nothing car ever made. And it's come to seem that you think if a car can't drift in a race its already lost, and last but not least, if your car is FF it can only go down a straight line. Well I just want to refresh everyone's mind that none of that is true. Belive it or not but drifting is not the fastest way down the hill, it may the flashest but definitly not the fastest. Also FF cars can drive down a mountain will racing just like anyother car can, it can also look flashy like a drift(please dont stop reading here and say that FF cant drift because iam not saying they can I just said "They can also look flashy like a drift") And FF car's have made great reviews and even won best car reward in japan. If you want proof buy Best Motoring Tape 1. This site banners it, it should also use some of its information.

And Back to that topic of a FF can look flashy like a drift. A FF can do a powerslide that looks just as good as any drift. The Drift king does it and it looks outstanding. And even when i do it it looks good and it gives you the same rush as a drift does.

I'am not dissing FR's in any way with this post. Iam wanting to get one and i may get a S14 or Trueno soon. I just dont like the fact the you guys are giving FF's a bad name.

true.. but most of the members here are FR drivers..

although some claimed that they own FF cars, but they've never try hard enough to see the capabilities of the FF. (Don't get me wrong , i own both FF and FR... FF is not that bad after all, provided you have the skill)

Anyhow, no one can really define the definition of "Drift"...for me, it describes the type of movement more than its action..

u obviously havent read all the posts, cuz some of us do think FF's r good cars, we just prefer FR's

thats all i have to say about that

Karasac, I have actually read some of the post. And I have seen most of you diss them, including you. When one of these topics came up, I didn't see you defend them, I saw you laugh at it and agree. And thats all I have to say.

FF cars are GREAT for a daily driver. just think, for a new Civic, you gan get 40+mpg highway. FF cars are also VERY good in the snow and rain, because most of the weight is over the driving Wheels. now, i have a 1400 Horsepower 72 nova, and the gas for that is 6+ dollars a gallon, and i can get .4 MPG with that. so having something like a 40+mpg FF Civic would be a warm welcome. (note that i am getting a FC or a AE86 soon, but thats for beating)

FF's are good and are perfect for people who aren't looking for high performance vechicles and really only want to get from point A to point B (aka. the average driving Joe). But even the average driver, like myself, will notice how FRs give better driving performance. I have an '88 Camry FF and she's been great for 15 years now (it used to be my dad's). But every once in a while I drive his '95 Volvo 960 FR and it undoubtedly gives a smoother, quieter ride and its turning is far superior to an FF car. Plus the feeling of the car pushing to accelerate instead of pulling is nice. I'm not saying FR is better than FF, but that if someone really wants a high performance vehicle then he will more than likely perfer the FR drivetrain.

no point comparing two different types of car. Of course, even a Volvo 960 FF (if it exist) will have a better performance and ride compare to 88 Camry.

i dunno where you get the idea that the turning of FR is more superior.. do you know why FF car is designed and being marketed? Find out urself....

Personally, the feeling of cornering in FR is the best, due to the rear wheel steering which "keep on pushing u in the corner" like what u've desribe...

I think you could atribute the quiter and smoother ride to the fact that the Volvo, is seven years younger, and being a volvo, would have better ride quality anyway

Shmuck, as your title says.

I don't want to explain everything because your a shmuck, but FR/MR/AWD is the superior drive train to pick for racing. There's a reason you'll never see an Integra Type R in the JGTC, it wouldn't win, ever. FR has so many pluses that an FF doesn't have.

Can FF's go fast and be competitve? Yeah, on an amature level. on the professional level, FF would never keep up (not counting rally in here BTW)

I know drifting isn't the fastest way down a mountain, no one on here has never said that, they all know that taking the line is the best/fastest way.

FACT is, FF isn't a good set up for competitive racing, and thats how I rate cars.

I haven't dissed FF's on this board, but I am a repeat offender for doing it elsewhere. I know a lot of people with FF cars that are faster than me in a straight line or on a track. I completely understand how FF's can offer certain advantages, but just not the ones I want.

One of the things that turns me off to FF's are the connotations associated with these cars. Maybe it's just the people I've met personally, but when I see someone with a nice FR, they seem more approachable and willing to talk about their car. A lot of people with FF's get mad, want to race or think you're going to steal it if you even look at their car.

Also, FR's to me are more of a pure drivers car. How many people do you know with an AE86 or S13 who bought it to impress women?

Last, without getting into the whole drifting debate, FR's are better suited for drifting.

FD owns all

...yes jayson ...yes

Sorry Integra boy but I just don't like the way a FF car work with downhill or Uphill racing.

w3rd

and one more thing, I think Drifting is a fast way to get though corners cause it keeps your speed though it all.

uh, wrong forum?

Wrong Forum?

Capsule's have you ever driven an integra on the uphill or down hill? You can't tell how a car performes just by watching it, unless you have the trained eye and hearing, so unless you've driven one on the uphill and downhill dont say you dont like it on the uphill or downhill cause you know nothing on how the car will perform. But if you have driven it then just ignore what i just said.

heh heh, I have . . .

And yes Drifting is a fast way around a corner, but i whouldnt say the fastest. You can only go full speed on the exit of the corner, But with properly tuned car you should be able to grip at a higher speen through the whole corner.

Jayson, you say that FF's can't be a good race car on a professional level. But infact the FF whould be a supreme choice for AutoCross. Since it pulls from the front it can cut the corner quicker cand faster than a FR. The only Challange whould be a AWD, that has the benefits of AWD. And AWD isnt the best, in Best Motoring Video 3. The drift King does a battle in the up hill and down hill against the Kings FR's and this other guys AWD. and the Drift King won the championship.

SO what iam trying to say is that each drivetrain has thier supiorty in diffrent races, but to say that the FF has no chance at a professional level is nothing but a lie and a misconception.

Well, I never see FF's raced in a professional, so that must say something

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I completely understand how FF's can offer certain advantages, but just not the ones I want.

i like that...
every car has it's advantages, fwd, rwd, and awd...
it just depends on how you plan to use the car, that's how you decide on what drivetrain to buy...
some cars are good, cause they're cheap and affordable even if IS front wheel drive
there's some good points to some cars, and they have they're purposes that's why they're produced...
ff's are not exactly a preference in racing in a track [that include curves]
but it's got it's pros... regardless of it's cons