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> Whats a good car for drifting to start with??, wanna try with rwd...
lunchb0x
  Posted: Oct 20 2002, 06:04 PM


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Anyone know of a good cheap car to start learning with???

ohh yeah i am good with fwd but want a rwd now.

also i am planning on a budget of 5gz for a car, and including in that a motor swap if need be due to mileage or just jdm motor is better. And what ever negatives/positives of any car suggested along with opinions would be great!

Trying to get as much outside info as possiable.

thanx for any help!

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Posted: Oct 20 2002, 10:59 PM


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some cars to check out (in the states anyway) would be:

AE86
positives- super cheap,50/50 weight distrubution,relativley light weight,rwd, and a classic 80's car happy.gif
negatives- hard to find one in good condition, have to do alot of work to it to get it up

240sx(S13,RPS13)
positives- another relativley cheap car, a plethora of parts, almost everyone is doing a sr20 swap,rwd, and another car born in the 80's smile.gif
negatives- gotta shop around or ull pay up the butt for the sr20 motor and the swap(unless u do the work urself), every ricer and their mom wants this car(thanks to super street)

RX-7(FC3S)
positives- another relativley cheap car, 50/50 weight distrubution,relativley light weight,rwd, rotary engine(yay!) biggrin.gif , and my favotite car born in the 80's biggrin.gif
negatives- gotta learn about the rotary(a completley different monster), if u get the turbo and dont know what ur doing its easy to break and expensive to fix.

thats about all the stuff i could think of off the top of my head, hope it helps
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  Posted: Oct 21 2002, 08:57 AM


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kewl thanx for the help, getting a motor isnt much of a problem i have connections for getting import parts. But for the rx7, arnt they really hard to maintain? as in keep up? i know how the motor works and some of the issues involved with it. I talked to a mechanic around the area that works with mazda dealerships fixing rotories, and he said that a blown rx7 ( dont know the gen but i think 3rd sad.gif smoother body lines ) for about 2 geez and have the new 3 rotor motor sent over and swapped for about 3geez more...dunno if its true but was told it can be done. And the AE only ones ive found have been mexi-calied out, meaning the golf trim everywhere the done at home tint job, wire truck rims and kut springs and the horriable paintjob. So no luck there, i have though found many 240SXs but they go for about 2gz and are sold before i can even get intouch with someone about them. I was thinking of maybe an mr2,325is (bmw) as well as options for a rwd. Any other input would be great!
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Posted: Oct 21 2002, 10:20 AM


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the first and second gens were actually praised for their reliability back in the 80's. (but any car with 10+ years on it is gonna have problems).the third gen is the one with the reputation for reliability issues(because of the twin turbo). rotaries dont like heat, so any cooling problems must be addressed asap.

any swap can be done if u have enough money

there are many who sell their 240's for cheap its just a matter of getting there quick(lots of ricers with rich parents r looking for this car so u gotta be quick)

from what ive heard a mr2 isnt good for a beginning drifter due to the understeer and they spin out unexpectedly.

dont know to much about euros but from what ive seen most 325is cost around 10k and when drifting u r gonna bang up ur car and i dont think u wanna bang up a car u spent 10k on, but hey.....its ur money

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Posted: Oct 21 2002, 10:46 AM


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Most articles I read on the FC 's and FD's is that the motor needs a rebuild after aproximately 80,000 miles. I've actually found this to be true with the only two people I know with these cars.

My friend just got his FC back from having the motor rebuilt. He had exactly 83,000 miles on his car before it blew. He has about 300hp now after doing a Stage II street port.

You can usually find Turbo FC's with blown motors for 1 or 2 thousand. It wouldn't be a bad idea if you did that and got the motor rebuilt later.
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QUOTE (lunchb0x @ Oct 20 2002, 06:04 PM)
Anyone know of a good cheap car to start learning with???

ohh yeah i am good with fwd but want a rwd now.

also i am planning on a budget of 5gz for a car, and including in that a motor swap if need be due to mileage or just jdm motor is better. And what ever negatives/positives of any car suggested along with opinions would be great!

Trying to get as much outside info as possiable.

thanx for any help!

the AE86 ...classic, cheap and really well-balanced if you want to consider this car ...well look for a AE92 engine

if you are ready to speed some cash ...well look for an RX-7 ...a monster cornering machine biggrin.gif
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Posted: Oct 21 2002, 03:55 PM


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S13 is silvia isn't it?


240sx is no silvia.....closest thing we have to silvia but not silvia. and silvia conversions are really common now too....I wanna see a REAL silvia..damns..heh.


I dunno how to drift so can somebody explain how you break out your rear? is it just from weight transfer and letting out your clutch??? if it is then you prolly can't do it wif an auto rite?


I kinda did it in my '84 318i but it was also raining that day so I dunno.

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Posted: Oct 21 2002, 05:05 PM


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well i use S13 in referring to the chassis. i know that our 240sx doesnt compare to their japanese counter-parts.

if u check out the drift techniques section of the site theres a basic overview of some of the ways to drift. u cant do it in an auto cuz u need to keep the revs up durring the drift and if u have an auto the car will shift while ur drifting.
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QUOTE (karasac @ Oct 21 2002, 05:05 PM)
well i use S13 in referring to the chassis. i know that our 240sx doesnt compare to their japanese counter-parts.

if u check out the drift techniques section of the site theres a basic overview of some of the ways to drift. u cant do it in an auto cuz u need to keep the revs up durring the drift and if u have an auto the car will shift while ur drifting.

heh oh. just makin sure.

aight. I'll check out that section then.
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Posted: Oct 21 2002, 07:05 PM


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I would HIGHLY recomend NOT getting an SW20 as a drifting car to start with. The MR set up makes it VERY touchy and more likely to spin out. You don't even need to brake drift or use the E-brake. With MR cars, it's all about weight controll, just by letting of the gas, turning, and applying the gas again, you can cause it to drift. But it is also a very delicate technique to learn and take lots of practice.

I would recomend getting an FC or 240/Silvia. They are fast, inexpensive, and not to much of a loss if you bang them up a bit.

I would also recomend having two cars. One as your daily driver, and another as your race car. Trust me, don't want to crash and have no car, now do we?

I should really follow my own advice. I have TWO cars I race. lol

Oh well.......
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Posted: Oct 21 2002, 07:34 PM


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QUOTE (Jayson @ Oct 21 2002, 07:05 PM)
I would HIGHLY recomend NOT getting an SW20 as a drifting car to start with. The MR set up makes it VERY touchy and more likely to spin out. You don't even need to brake drift or use the E-brake. With MR cars, it's all about weight controll, just by letting of the gas, turning, and applying the gas again, you can cause it to drift. But it is also a very delicate technique to learn and take lots of practice.

I would recomend getting an FC or 240/Silvia. They are fast, inexpensive, and not to much of a loss if you bang them up a bit.

I would also recomend having two cars. One as your daily driver, and another as your race car. Trust me, don't want to crash and have no car, now do we?

I should really follow my own advice. I have TWO cars I race. lol

Oh well.......

The MR2 is definitely not a good beginner car. I have my doubts if it’s even a good car for drifting in general, even for the more experienced drivers. The car drives like it’s on rails; it’s an excellent vehicle for grip driving. It actually pulled 0.99 G’s on the skid pad. The weight over the rear wheels causes it not to lose traction but when it loses it, it’s really hard to recover. The 50/50 weight distribution causes it to spin like a top.

Getting a real Silvia in the States is almost impossible to do, and doing your own conversion is not cheap. It costs about $4,000-$6,000 for a 240SX (S13 Body Style) and that’s not including the cost of an SR20DET or the front-end conversion.
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Posted: Oct 22 2002, 07:10 AM


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Whilst drifting looks cool it isnt the best way to drive fast on a track or even on the street. You have to think that the more time you spend going sideways the less time your spending going in a straight line. I have a few of the best motoring series videos which clearly shows a EVO sliding though the bend and a MR2 Turbo out corning it. This is becasuse the MR2 takes the racing line clipping the apex. It is in and out of the bend alot quicker than a sliding car as grip is maintained throughout the corner and all the cars effort goes into pushing the car forward and not spinning the wheels whilst drifting.

Any MR engined car will be a handful as the set up dosnt lend it self to drifting. An MR car is like a knife edge, its either understeer or oversteer, when either of those happens the set up of the car means that it will automatically try and correct its self. This isnt to say MR set up is bad, it just means that you need a very talented driver to exploit the chassis. If MR was a poor set up why is it being used by every exotic car manufactuer.

For drifting you want a front engined RWD car, that way the engine acts like a pivot for the rear end to move around - also the weight distribution on this set up is more equal.

A good car for drifting, try any front engine RWD car and spend some time messing around in big empty fields before you go on the road - its not as easy as it looks.

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Posted: Oct 22 2002, 03:52 PM


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I must agree, MR cars aren't the best for drifting. Period. But the SW20 is actualy a very good car for drfting.

As for drifting vs. Grip, they both have there time and place. Not every turn can be drifted, and some turns you can drift through to get better times and higher speeds on an exit. It just depends on the turn and speed your going at.

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Posted: Oct 22 2002, 04:24 PM


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...hum thats good to know ...i thought bcuz it was "so-well" balnced it was a good beginner car...drifting isnt always abt going sideways ...drifting is said when the four tires are skidding ...sliding is not fast and is not a technique ...drift is a real technique and its fast ...but if you dont do it well youre gonna be slow...also : tires ...u should be aware the if you spend alot of cash on nice tires ...and you dont drift right they are gonna wear-out sad.gif

last thing ...jayson i dont know if you are rich or sumthin tongue.gif but having two cars when you start is pretty hard ...
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Posted: Oct 22 2002, 05:18 PM


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Me? Rich? lol lol lol lol lol. Far from it. I own a 91 TSI and a 92 240SX Silvia conversion. So if thats rich then I guess I am biggrin.gif The TSI was my first car. I got it when I was 15. Then I got the 240SX when I was 17. I have always raced my TSI. During the summer I do auto crosses, and winter I just drive fast through the back roads and hills.

I am just practicing drifting with my 240 right now, once I get that down then I'll start racing it.

Well, there you go
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Posted: Oct 22 2002, 05:51 PM


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QUOTE (]{aya @ Oct 23 2002, 12:24 AM)
drifting isnt always abt going sideways ...drifting is said when the four tires are skidding ...sliding is not fast and is not a technique ...drift is a real technique and its fast ...but if you dont do it well youre gonna be slow...also : tires ...u should be aware the if you spend alot of cash on nice tires ...and you dont drift right they are gonna wear-out  :(

thats called a 4 wheel drift, its when u forgot to add that when doing a 4 wheel drift there is little or no counter-steer, its different from the 2 wheel drift u see most people doing. it is extreamly hard to do but can be faster than grip.

ur tires r gonna wear out quickly even if u do drift correctly. and u should buy the hard wall tires, those r the best for drifting because u can get the most tread for ur money.

oh ya...never try or practice drifting with other people around, always pratice in a big parking lot or take it to the track

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Posted: Oct 22 2002, 08:33 PM


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The 86 is alright because its FWR and is not powerful enough for you to kill your self. But the down side is maintenance is a real bitch. A good cheap car would also be the 86 Supra, it handles very well , more power and the car feels a lot more durable than the AE86. But once again, is old. You can even consider a old camaro if you just want to drift but not go that fast.
I've noticed that the old Integra R is a good front wheel drifter. If is tuned the right way the type R is amazing for drifting. I am not that into drifting but i know the 240 is a very tail happy car and is not that safe to drive when raining.

Once againg, drifting one public mt roads isnt safe. Save your money for the track.
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Posted: Oct 22 2002, 08:58 PM


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here is the drift machine, second best after ae86. i didnt say it. it was on some car magazine. dont blame on me. if you wanna b.s i will find you the name. hahah
they dont build it anymore.hahahhahah cant get it even tho you have money.


180SX / Silvia (RPS13 / PS13)?B
name:Silvia S15 Spec-R (nissan)
transmission: 6MT
weight:1,250kg
Max Power:250ps / 6,400rpm?^225ps / 6,000rpm
Max Torque:28.0kgm / 4,800rpm

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Posted: Oct 22 2002, 09:12 PM


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i thought the " Drift King; of jp drives a Integra Type r
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unsure.gif wacko.gif Awesome Pic's Vtecstylz...I wouldnt mind owning that.. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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Posted: Oct 23 2002, 10:19 AM


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QUOTE (tofu boy @ Oct 23 2002, 04:33 AM)
A good cheap car would also be the 86 Supra, it handles very well , more power and the car feels a lot more durable than the AE86.

the old school supras r bricks, to heavy for drifting, unless u do some heavy engine mods.
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i think police cars pretty cool for drifting, you do not need to follow the green or red light and just drive hahahahahahhahahah (j/p) i heard that there is like two engines inside is true? i heard it from a police that i know from my school! but not sure hes joking or not.
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Hello guys..

I am from malaysia..though we hv imported cars like Trueno and Levin.. Silvia..FC and FD running down the street..

but as a student.. i can't afford such a sport car.. instead..i use my AE71 (toyota corolla FR) to drift and it works pretty well.

U turn drift can be performed quite easily.. smile.gif

So why not just start with the old and damn cheap FR sedan 1st? smile.gif blink.gif
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Nice...240 SX Silvia Where do you live? Do the backroads have pretty sharp haripins? wink2.gif