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Nomake Wan | Posted: Nov 10 2005, 01:42 PM |
ShiMACHaze Group: Advanced Members Posts: 19,542 Member No.: 5,394 Joined: Feb 5th 2005 Location: Drydock | Okay, I've been debating with my roommate for a while now over naming schema. Here's what it's come down to: My roomie owns a 2003 Ford Focus ZX-5. He gets pissed because I call it a wagon, since it's got 5 doors. Yes, I know there's a ZXW which most definitely is a wagon. He's tried to call his car a coupe, but then I told him that it wasn't, since coupes have two doors. But I also say that the ZX-3 is a hatchback, and that a coupe would be like a sedan (trunk, not hatch) but with 2 doors. So here's the real meat of the question. What defines a hatchback? What defines a coupe? A wagon? Can a hatchback be a coupe as well? I mean, I know that with the Toyota Corolla (specifically, the often-called Trueno/Levin that this forum seems to base itself around) has a hatchback and a coupe... the coupe has a trunklid and the hatchback has a hatch... Yeah. It's way too confusing for me, and nobody here seems to know. Help! |
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Eloricth | Posted: Nov 10 2005, 02:12 PM |
IDW God Member Group: Members Posts: 172 Member No.: 10,156 Joined: Jul 12th 2005 Location: Gainesville, FL, USA | When I think of them, hatch, coupe, sedan, and wagon... This is what I equate them with... hatch: 2 doors, 1 hatch, no trunk coupe: 2 doors, official trunk wagon: 4 doors, 1 hatch, no trunk sedan: 4 doors, official trunk -TJ |
sideways | Posted: Nov 10 2005, 02:42 PM | ||
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tip | Posted: Nov 10 2005, 02:49 PM |
IDW Member Group: Members Posts: 12 Member No.: 8,260 Joined: Jun 17th 2005 Location: Update Profile | The separate term "hatchback" only seems applicable if there is a non-hatch version of the car (and hence the term "coupe"). The AE86 and S13 are perfect examples of this. However ....... certain cars (i.e., the Z (I'm thinking specifically Z32 and Z33)) are hatchbacks, yet Nissan (and KBB) designates them as "coupes." |
sideways | Posted: Nov 10 2005, 04:29 PM |
We're the People's Front of Judea! Group: Advanced Members Posts: 13,123 Member No.: 1,355 Joined: Feb 28th 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada | Id consider the starion a hatch back, theres no "coupe" version of that. Rx7s come to mind, Crx, plenty of cars. This post has been edited by sidewaysgts on Nov 10 2005, 04:31 PM |
tweeze | Posted: Nov 10 2005, 05:16 PM | ||
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Actually, I think the Mazda and KBB designation for the RX-7 as "coupe." *Shrug* You got me. | ||
MidnightViper88 | Posted: Nov 10 2005, 05:32 PM | ||
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Well, I can tell you that with the Ford Focus, we can neglect the definition of coupes in you and your roomie's discussion, as coupes are strictly two-door cars...There is no Ford Focus coupe variant... But here's where automotive definition gets a little weird...I'm just gonna limit myself to the ZX3/ZX5/ZXW... It's obvious that the ZX3 (In example) is a hatchback, as it's a 3-door car with a rear hatch area (2 doors, plus a hatch, which is considered a door; In common sense terms, I really don't see how a hatch can be considered a door, since who really enters/exits a car through the hatch area?)... And the Focus has a ZXW, 5-doors...Simple, right? Technically, the difference between wagons and hatchbacks have to do with cargo area; Wagons usually have more cargo area, because of their squared-off designs (Whereas the ZX5 still retains the ZX3's rounded-off rear hatch)...So no matter if it's a 3 or a 5 door, cargo area is what generally classifies a car as one or the other... And adding on that last statement, dimentions also play a factor too...The ZX5 can't be considered a wagon, because it's essentially the same size (And body style) as a ZX3, but with two more doors, whereas the ZXW is actually, physically longer... ...and I really hope my time wasn't wasted...I look over your post a second time, and see you're asking a general car question, and I itterated it as a Focus-specific question... Meh :\ | ||
Nomake Wan | Posted: Nov 10 2005, 05:42 PM |
ShiMACHaze Group: Advanced Members Posts: 19,542 Member No.: 5,394 Joined: Feb 5th 2005 Location: Drydock | No, that's okay. So, what would you consider the ZX-5 to be? Also, thanks for the responses, everybody. ^-^ |
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MidnightViper88 | Posted: Nov 10 2005, 06:22 PM |
Ballistic heartbreak Group: Advanced Members Posts: 16,831 Member No.: 1,034 Joined: Nov 22nd 2003 Location: Richards Majestic, apartment 51 | I would consider the ZX5 to be a hatchback...As quirky as a 5-door hatchback sounds, it doesn't fit the physical criteria for a wagon.. |
sideways | Posted: Nov 10 2005, 07:47 PM | ||
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I love dictionaries. | ||
Nomake Wan | Posted: Nov 10 2005, 07:50 PM |
ShiMACHaze Group: Advanced Members Posts: 19,542 Member No.: 5,394 Joined: Feb 5th 2005 Location: Drydock | Thanks for the replies, all! |
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Neo Lorrnoke | Posted: Nov 10 2005, 07:52 PM | ||
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Best explanation. But here's a visual for those that need to associate images to words. 1. Hatchback 2. Coupe 3. Wagon 4. Sedan Nomake, your friend owns a wagon. If he wont accept that, then sugar coat it and tell him that he has a "sports wagon" - much like how the EVO and WRX are known as "sports sedans". | ||
MidnightViper88 | Posted: Nov 10 2005, 07:55 PM | ||
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Oh, fine...Mr. Technical wants to get all simple on us, I see how things are... | ||
sideways | Posted: Nov 10 2005, 08:03 PM |
We're the People's Front of Judea! Group: Advanced Members Posts: 13,123 Member No.: 1,355 Joined: Feb 28th 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada | Despite being mr technical, i love simplicity We find simplicity through explination. No need to overcomplicate the simple. |
Alex | Posted: Nov 10 2005, 08:50 PM |
OG Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 9,054 Member No.: 111 Joined: Nov 26th 2002 Location: Atlanta | 5-door = Wagon (hatch) 4-door = Sedan (trunk) 3-door = Hatchback (hatch) 2-door = Coupe (trunk) 1-door = Freak |
VRr1FD | Posted: Nov 10 2005, 08:53 PM | ||
you never had me. you never had your car. Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,708 Member No.: 1,120 Joined: Jan 5th 2004 Location: central florida | rx7 = fastback generally in the US. fast backs are like hatchbacks, but the hatch is not verticle. ie, the fox body mustangs and the ones from the 60's.
that's from dictionary.com and even that is barely accurate. but the term has been around in the US for many decades. | ||
sideways | Posted: Nov 10 2005, 11:37 PM |
We're the People's Front of Judea! Group: Advanced Members Posts: 13,123 Member No.: 1,355 Joined: Feb 28th 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada | Ala 350z, g35 skyline. Ive never had a "Definition" for a fastback, its just the look. Essentialy tho- its still a hatch back, |
VRr1FD | Posted: Nov 11 2005, 07:27 AM | ||
you never had me. you never had your car. Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,708 Member No.: 1,120 Joined: Jan 5th 2004 Location: central florida |
technically, but the proliferation of 3 door sub compacts tends to call for a distinction. they wouldn't, for example, call an FD a "hot hatch" over in britain. | ||
Jabberwocky | Posted: Nov 11 2005, 07:47 AM |
Hero or Zero cornering Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,783 Member No.: 3,476 Joined: Oct 1st 2004 Location: Update Profile | Straight from Webster's Dictionary: Main Entry: hatch·back Pronunciation: 'hach-"bak Function: noun : an automobile the back of which consists of a hatch that opens upward; also : the back itself Main Entry: cou·pé Variant(s): or coupe /kü-'pA, 2 often 'küp/ Function: noun Etymology: French coupé, from past participle of couper to cut, strike 1 : a four-wheeled closed horse-drawn carriage for two persons inside with an outside seat for the driver in front 2 usually coupe : a 2-door automobile often seating only two persons; also : one with a tight-spaced rear seat -- compare One entry found for station wagon. Main Entry: station wagon Function: noun : an automobile that has a passenger compartment which extends to the back of the vehicle, that has no trunk, that has one or more rear seats which can be folded down to make space for light cargo, and that has a tailgate or liftgate So a the same car can be a coupe, a hatchback, and a station wagon |
am3pkcet | Posted: Nov 11 2005, 01:27 PM |
IDASv3 > IDAS4 Group: Advanced Members Posts: 6,862 Member No.: 2,853 Joined: Aug 28th 2004 Location: San Diego, CA | SUV = lifted wagon. |
Frost | Posted: Nov 11 2005, 03:47 PM | ||
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Finally SOMEONE gets it right. Frost | ||
zerocool_designs | Posted: Nov 11 2005, 05:09 PM |
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sideways | Posted: Nov 11 2005, 05:36 PM |
We're the People's Front of Judea! Group: Advanced Members Posts: 13,123 Member No.: 1,355 Joined: Feb 28th 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada | Can call my pencil a cat, its still a pencil, and thats still a sedan. |
Taku_E70 | Posted: Nov 11 2005, 06:32 PM |
IDW Prime Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 706 Member No.: 6,100 Joined: Mar 10th 2005 Location: Update Profile | 69 Doors = HUMP back. |
Daily_Drifter | Posted: Nov 11 2005, 06:54 PM |
IDW Expert Member Group: Members Posts: 149 Member No.: 4,911 Joined: Jan 4th 2005 Location: Update Profile | The Grand National has two doors and is considered a sedan because of how it's platform is built. |
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