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Posted: Apr 14 2005, 09:13 PM


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Let's not forget that a good launch with a awd/4wd is quite a bit harder on the clutch. It is much easier to bog the car than with a rwd, and the chance of popping the clutch is high (i've seen soo many wrx's and skylines blow clutches!!).
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Posted: Apr 15 2005, 01:32 AM


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^-- word to that, thought about pointing it didnt feel like it. The extra drive train means you gotta rev the crap out of your engine to properly launch it (thus the killage of clutches), and its pretty easy to let it out too fast (stall) or not fast enough (slower launch, more clutch wear). Good awd cars need heavy clutches, not the easiest to have that "finese" on
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  Posted: Apr 15 2005, 04:03 PM


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Any clutch would wear out if you got good power goign through it....
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Posted: Apr 15 2005, 05:04 PM


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Not the point. The point lies in the difference of -how- your launching differently for speed.
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Posted: Apr 16 2005, 10:19 AM


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Again, I am surprised at how this thread still lives...

Pros:
RWD = Good for perfect traction (ie: dry and warm)
FWD = Good 2WD compromise for anything less than perfect traction
FWD = Best for bad traction (makes most of what little grip is available)

Cons:
RWD = Drivetrain loss, hard to work on compromised traction
FWD = Understeer due to front heavy
AWD = Most drivetrain loss, 4 wheels powered means twice as much wear and tear and twice as much power being siphoned from engine

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Posted: May 26 2005, 05:32 AM


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Now perhaps I will open something that hasn't been counted before.
But before I begin I want to define what I mean:
4WD, Permanent 4 wheel drive
AWD, Like the Skyline, 2 Wheel drive until traction loss.

What I want to bring in is modified AWD, lets take the very familiar Skyline ATTESA E-TS.
Now, we slam in an aftermarket controller that should allow you to set the AWD system to PERMANENTLY work in a 50 / 50 distrubution manually.
How would this go if we put it against normal 4WD?
Now of course I do assume he has the controller pre setup prior to traction loss.
But like the first post in this thread said, AWD is bad off-road, well how will the controlled AWD fare where it has permanent 4WD set by a controller?

I am not bringing any statements into this one at the moment as my car know how guy appearently has gone to bed (Aussie) so I cannot ask him for more specifics.
Generally it is allready summed up the weakness of AWD, the response time.

Well I posted this to bring a new AWD system into the discussion, the ones that uses a controller, modified ones.
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Posted: May 26 2005, 12:23 PM


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AWD, Like the Skyline, 2 Wheel drive until traction loss.


attesa is one of the onyl few to actualy do this, most constantly power all 4 wheels to some extent.
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Posted: May 26 2005, 05:18 PM


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Subaru's newer AWD systems distribute power during accel and braking too.

Mine unfortunetly is 50:50 all the time. But same principle of when one wheel slips, the other 3 pick up the slack is there.
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Posted: May 26 2005, 07:21 PM


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50:50 all the time huh.gif u sure about that?
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Posted: May 26 2005, 07:30 PM


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im very sure.

it's called continuous AWD.

If your wondering if my car is front wheel biased - it's not. That's only in the automatic models.

Cars101 Subaru Glossary

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Posted: Jan 4 2006, 07:45 PM


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QUOTE (2.5RS DEMON @ May 26 2005, 07:30 PM)
im very sure.

it's called continuous AWD.

If your wondering if my car is front wheel biased - it's not. That's only in the automatic models.

Cars101 Subaru Glossary

Or Symmetrical AWD (spell?) happy.gif
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Posted: Jan 4 2006, 10:50 PM


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Check them dates wink2.gif
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Posted: Jan 4 2006, 10:53 PM


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lawl hes new and a subaru driver so maybe it was OK for him to revive? wink2.gif which reminds me i thought 2.5RS was coming back?
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Posted: Jan 4 2006, 11:40 PM


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Oh.. wasn't paying attention, !! ok sure this time I won't revive anything else

*promise*

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now I feel stupid..*knock heads on table*
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Posted: Jan 5 2006, 09:04 AM


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QUOTE (EA99 @ Today at 1:53 AM)
lawl hes new and a subaru driver so maybe it was OK for him to revive? wink2.gif which reminds me i thought 2.5RS was coming back?

Nope he's never coming back... He's too scared people will make a fool out of him if he does come back.... ><
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Posted: Jan 5 2006, 09:29 AM


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He did come back.

He posted in the "Check out my S13 and AE86" thread.

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Posted: Jan 5 2006, 10:30 AM


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Not quite, look at the date

http://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=10...ndpost&p=233599

However! his last active date on this board was the 21st of dec 2005

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Posted: Jan 5 2006, 01:00 PM


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Whoops.

I thought I saw January, 2006. Damn that thread is old. I thought it was a new thread!

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Posted: Jan 10 2006, 07:13 PM


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Whoa...


Hey Kel!

How is your Mom's Civic doing? I wonder how much you spent repairing it... I cant remember, but it was a large sum, wasnt it?

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Posted: Jan 10 2006, 07:21 PM


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Oh shit, he is back. laugh.gif

Heard u got a new 2.5RS. JUst remember now not to drive it in a flood
J/K.

U missed quite alot
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Posted: Jan 10 2006, 07:54 PM


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QUOTE (2.5RS DEMON @ Today at 11:13 PM)
Whoa...


Hey Kel!

How is your Mom's Civic doing? I wonder how much you spent repairing it... I cant remember, but it was a large sum, wasnt it?

indeed it was ..but the leggy is comeing soon so whatever cool.gif

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How R plans for the Legacy going?
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Posted: Jan 10 2006, 07:58 PM


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looking at april now

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Posted: Jan 10 2006, 08:31 PM


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Posted: Jan 10 2006, 08:31 PM


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Anyone have a picture of the underside of a Skyline GTR?

I want to see what the driveline looks like. I wonder if it's anything like the Murano.

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