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JKaiba | Posted: Mar 31 2017, 01:15 PM | ||
Alias The J' Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,366 Member No.: 16,596 Joined: Mar 13th 2006 Location: One Day In an Office.. Typing... On a computer |
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xiao | Posted: Mar 31 2017, 01:22 PM | ||
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Knew I recognized that kitten-gurumi from somewhere! d'oh! | ||
Spaz | Posted: Mar 31 2017, 06:07 PM | ||
Just a guy towing a car across the country to chase a dream. Group: FORUM MODERATOR Posts: 9,272 Member No.: 30,193 Joined: Jul 25th 2008 Location: Plymouth, MN | Surprise full lock slides are far from fun.
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xiao | Posted: Apr 1 2017, 07:38 AM | ||
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Hella nice power slide! I always thought if you're going fast enough, you don't have to cross your hands over ... just let the steering wheel do its own spinning. If there's anything I hate more than putting my hands at 3 and 9 o'clock, it's putting them even further up or all-out crossing them over like your vid. I keep mine at 4 and 8. Granted when I've driven fast & have caused a slide on a turn, it's a slide created by momentum rather than a power slide. That and I don't drive to be fast ~ he who shall be last shall be ... yadda yadda yadda | ||
Spaz | Posted: Apr 2 2017, 06:26 PM | ||
Just a guy towing a car across the country to chase a dream. Group: FORUM MODERATOR Posts: 9,272 Member No.: 30,193 Joined: Jul 25th 2008 Location: Plymouth, MN | That was actually an off-power slide, tires were too cold and when the rear end unloaded and the diff unlocked it allowed the momentum of the rear end to cause it to race the front end through the corner. And that's one of the very rare occasions I've had to cross my arms over on track. Most of the time it's a simple countersteer with the same hand placement, like my almost bad moment in Atlanta last year in this aptly named video.
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xiao | Posted: Apr 2 2017, 09:24 PM | ||
moon bunny Group: XIAO Posts: 5,735 Member No.: 13,323 Joined: Oct 4th 2005 Location: Update Profile |
Holy moly man you got some air on that right turn ~ Countersteer was super smooth tho' & that black Nomex suit looks pretty sweet. Wish I could ride shotgun with you some day, those wooo's! are straight out of a FN2187 tie-fighter scene! | ||
Spaz | Posted: Apr 4 2017, 02:00 PM | ||
Just a guy towing a car across the country to chase a dream. Group: FORUM MODERATOR Posts: 9,272 Member No.: 30,193 Joined: Jul 25th 2008 Location: Plymouth, MN |
That curb really upset the car that lap at the higher speed, it was less upsetting a few mph slower. And next time I race down in TX I'll let you know. I'm definitely not afraid to let the adrenaline out vocally! | ||
Nomake Wan | Posted: Apr 4 2017, 07:22 PM | ||
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I... *tries to visualize these hand positions* ...what? | ||
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xiao | Posted: Apr 5 2017, 06:37 AM | ||
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A proper racing instructor will always (I couldn't find the English version of that episode ) tell you to place your hands at 3 and 9 o'clock for optimum steering control. Anything else and they will want to kick you off of the car & track for being a crazy rookie. I ... cannot stand to be so tensed-up & driving like I've got a devil poking me while I'm steering. I don't like proper racing posture. So when I need to induce a full wheel lock slide I maintain my hands at 4 and 8 o'clock as usual and flick the wheel to the left, then do extremely minimal countersteer, and adjust the car back into place through throttle control ... I feel like I'm juggling a baby when I've got my hands at 4 and 8, as opposed to taming a lion when I have them at 3 and 9 or further up. It's smooth, it's elegant, it's delicate, it's fun, it's effortless, and most importantly it's slow. But that's the difference between racing and sliding ~ one's to be fast, the other's to look kewl mang! Proper hand posture 3 & 9: Image size reduced, original size: 5376 x 3024. Click here to view the image in its original dimension. Image size reduced, original size: 5376 x 3024. Click here to view the image in its original dimension. xiao's crazy ass hand placement @ 4 & 8: Image size reduced, original size: 5376 x 3024. Click here to view the image in its original dimension. Image size reduced, original size: 5376 x 3024. Click here to view the image in its original dimension. | ||
Spaz | Posted: Apr 6 2017, 06:41 PM |
Just a guy towing a car across the country to chase a dream. Group: FORUM MODERATOR Posts: 9,272 Member No.: 30,193 Joined: Jul 25th 2008 Location: Plymouth, MN | 4 and 8 was actually taught for a bit in driver's ed across the nation, god only knows why. The common theme I've heard for the logic behind 10-2 and 8-4 (both of which are equally inadequate for car control) is that at 9-3, your thumbs are hooked around the wheel better, allowing them to be broken when the airbag deploys. This is patently false. As someone who instructs teen car control schools put on by my dealership group in conjunction with the training staff from BIR, I've spent plenty of time un-teaching wheel positions that are not the proper 9 and 3. |
xiao | Posted: Apr 8 2017, 03:51 AM | ||
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I'm afraid I don't have much else to contribute to the discussion, aside from my years of theorizing how to drive due to've never actually owned a sports car, but desperately wanting it like a kid looking through the glass of a candy store. ~ I'm just picky as fsck when it comes to cars. But I think what you're doing with teens is awesome. Kids need a good teacher, cause YouTube's a hotbed of lies & destruction. Keep on truckin' the track ya sexy bloke! | ||
Nomake Wan | Posted: Apr 8 2017, 08:16 AM |
ShiMACHaze Group: Advanced Members Posts: 19,542 Member No.: 5,394 Joined: Feb 5th 2005 Location: Drydock | Driving home from work yesterday I realized that my steering wheel is actually set up to help you 3-9. Sure it has indents at 4-8 for where cruise control would be on a higher-end model, but 3-9 is totally natural and comfortable. Didn't even notice until I made a conscious effort to do so. Anyway, this is getting off-topic for this thread, so hopefully very soon I'll have something to contribute. We'll see, it depends on how much work I can get done on the car over the next few weeks. |
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xiao | Posted: Apr 8 2017, 10:59 AM | ||
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The Integra...? ~ Picture please! ♥ --- --- --- Edit: This one seems to have 'em at 5 and 7 o'clock ... still lets me drive like Bunta @ 4 & 8 () ~ But yeah 4 & 8 is ridonculously dangerous & inappropriate on a speedway. Image size reduced, original size: 800 x 600. Click here to view the image in its original dimension. This post has been edited by xiao on Apr 8 2017, 11:07 AM | ||
Meteor | Posted: Apr 9 2017, 06:54 AM | ||
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xiao | Posted: Apr 9 2017, 03:54 PM | ||||
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It's swervy as a solid snake ~ but the steering wheel re-adjusts itself after you powerslide through the corner. True story ... The extremely minimal countersteer is more like just grip & let go of the wheel at key intervals so as to not have it steer the car into a spin. I need a GoPro & a nice car. This post has been edited by xiao on Apr 9 2017, 04:03 PM | ||||
Nomake Wan | Posted: Apr 9 2017, 08:36 PM |
ShiMACHaze Group: Advanced Members Posts: 19,542 Member No.: 5,394 Joined: Feb 5th 2005 Location: Drydock | No Xiao. If you're at full lock then you literally cannot have 'extremely minimal countersteer' because you literally have the steering wheel completely to one end or the other because that's what 'full lock' is. As for your comment about the steering wheel, perhaps look at a clock again. 5/7 is where the lower supports on my wheel are, not the gaps. The gaps are at 4/8, and an incredibly natural grip can be had at 3/9 due to the upper supports being below the centerline of the steering wheel. |
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xiao | Posted: Apr 9 2017, 11:14 PM |
moon bunny Group: XIAO Posts: 5,735 Member No.: 13,323 Joined: Oct 4th 2005 Location: Update Profile | Ahh ~ I thought full wheel lock was just that the wheel can't go no-further ... I slightly overlooked the lock part haha! Mea culpa guys ~ |
Sensation! | Posted: Apr 9 2017, 11:14 PM | ||
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Its not actually your thumbs, but your arms. The preferred 4-8 position mounts your arms underneath where the airbag deploys, meaning your face can only travel to the airbag assuming A pillar rigidity is maintained and the steering column angle doesn't change. 3-9, 10-2, allows the airbag to deploy between your arms, like you're hugging it. This doesn't break your arms, but it does allow certain circumstances to happen, in examples; if you maintain your grip on the steering wheel, piling directly into your steering wheel means your performing a sort of high impact seated work-out row to your shoulders. Not good. If one of your arms lose their grip during or before impact, they have the potential to end up between your head and the airbag, which isnt good. This can potentially happen in an offset frontal accident, as you're introducing a good amount of lateral forces as well; your head moves towards one of your arms, while your arms have a tendency to move upwards, this motion can potentially break your arm, think of it like doing a high speed dab. Your muscles are naturally going to tense up before an accident, but the laws of motion always win out in the end, placing your arms 4-8 position of the wheel avoids some of the complications involving muscle strain as your arms and shoulders are moving in much more 'natural' range of motion compared to 9-3 or 10-2, basically your arms aren't counter leveraging your chest and torso. Under during impact for 3-9, your tensed muscles are resisting the push of your body piling towards the airbag, while 4-8, there's very little you can do to resist your body moving forward. The 3-9 is the optimal position for control, but I do understand why 4-8 is taught to everyday drivers. This post has been edited by Sensation! on Apr 9 2017, 11:50 PM | ||
lawler | Posted: May 1 2017, 06:33 PM |
IDW Regular Member Group: Members Posts: 231 Member No.: 33,509 Joined: Jul 17th 2009 Location: Update Profile | So decided to have my first go at a grip day. Only 2nd time being on this track with the first being a drift day and not in this car. I haven't had much of a chance to go though fotage so here is just a random sesh Dont mind the weird wave i wasnt really paying attention to that. https://youtu.be/XDysK8cE5qQ [ Post made via Mobile Device ] This post has been edited by lawler on May 1 2017, 06:34 PM |
tappedby_sway | Posted: Aug 18 2017, 10:40 PM |
IDW Full Member Group: Members Posts: 30 Member No.: 45,540 Joined: May 18th 2015 Location: Florida | It's been a hot minute since I've posted. This is from May. Full lock and a whole lot of clutch kicking lol. Image size reduced, original size: 1024 x 683. Click here to view the image in its original dimension. |
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