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I don't know whether to laugh or cry seeing this again.

How on earth did they ever think Hybrids were a good idea. So far as I can tell, there are 3 advantages to a hybrid, and none of them are game changers. There's the fact that the engine shuts down if you're stopped, except not all Hybrids do that and the ones that do don't if you want air conditioning or heating (which is most NA drivers). Second advantage is the ability to plug in and use wired in electricity instead of gasoline. Kickass, right? Not if you don't have a plug in Hybrid, which today, is most of them. The one thing Hybrids do right is regenerative braking. Good for them, I'm going to give them full credit for this, congrats.

Don't even get me started on the low points of hybrids. The added weight and environmental impact of the batteries are just the start. There are better ways to up MPG numbers, and perhaps a very mild hybrid system might be part of a final solution, but the tech we have today is very much a stopgap. We should bring back group C, that's more relevant now than ever before.

Honda, you better have pissed in the EPA's cereal, because if those numbers are legit, you've got some 'splaining to do.

What's with everyone and their mothers copying the Audi style front "mouth".

the airdam? that looks nothing like what audis coming up with...
the shape is similar, but the dimensions break it apart.

id say current audis and VWs look incredibly similar, but then, VW owns audi, and alot of their cars are based on pretty much the same stuff

This post has been edited by Sensation! on Jan 13 2010, 01:42 AM

You still don't get it.

A regular DX will beat that both for performance and for mileage.

So what's the point?

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As far as the hybrid discussion is concerned, I would mind having one. But it would have to be a diesel hybrid w/ plug in option.

http://www.audiusa.com/us/brand/en/models/a3_tdi.html

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That's not a hybrid though, is it?

No, but it'll get better gas milage and you'll not have to suffer driving a hybrid, a hybrid honda at that.

I did not mean this Honda, not at all. I mean, in generic terms of hybrids.

Imagine the mileage a properly set up diesel hybrid could get!

Somewhere just past 40 MPG?

I actually would want a Diesel Hybrid, clean enough, yet strong just to tow my Trailer to Ocean Shores and back... all I registered on the Ram was 13 MPG.

Then I remembered about GM's HCCI engine idea... Don't know if that works since it uses a cycle similar to a Diesel, though it uses just a gas engine.

I want a Diesel with KERS =)

Diesel cars get up to 60-70 mpg, AFAIK. The small ones do, anyways.

Yea, my neighbors diesel Punto got about that, or at least it felt that way. I drove it for a month after I torched the CA in my 200SX and I was awaiting a new one. I probably put a tank and a half in the car.

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One of these days I'll put this LD28 crank I have in my storage to use...

I thought most of the first GM diesels (For mostly Passenger Cars) were crap since they half-assed it by using Diesel heads with Gas engine blocks? They're thinking a little TOO simple when they tried to copy Mercedes with their 240D....

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This post has been edited by Midnight Drifter on Jan 13 2010, 09:26 AM

That engine will literally drive me insane. Right from starting it... I would have preferred an OM617 engine over that...

That's the very engine that killed diesel in the States.



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Also, why do you always type like such a weaboo, seriously, it's annoying, you're a grown boy.
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Hey, it's how people like to type.
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I still blame GM for tarnishing Diesel in the first place, considering the history Dori had posted. Which is why, for most people..

Mercedes>That. There will be people who think otherwise, ala TommysBrownCaddy.

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Not quite sure what you mean...

Oh, and that Diesel is a complete turd...almost as bad as the Mercedes Diesels used in the wagons.

I see old Mercedes Diesels still running all the time though, and that's something I cannot say for those GM's.

Quite true. Odd you mention this too, I was talking to a former co-worker back in Germany the other day, and the group DD we had for emergencies, an archaic Merc 300D we bought for 250 bucks, is still being driven around the area.

I don't think those cars can die, I've seen some pretty high mileage examples myself.

Oh yea, you look on autotrader and you'll find a ton easily in the 250k range. I agree, they dont die, their owners just get bored of them. 0-60 in 7... months kinda sucks.