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Posted by: BOZZ Apr 14 2016, 09:26 PM

I'm sure most of you guys know that there is a Hollywood production of Ghost in the Shell, starring Scarlett Johansson, and produced by Paramount Pictures and Dreamworks Pictures with Weta Workshop being involved. Well, they finally released a photo of Scarlett Johansson in the lead role as the Major (I'm wondering if they're not going to use the name "Motoko Kusanagi").

So here's the photo:

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The movie is planned for an American release on March 31, 2017.

There were also some news about the other cast, Pilou Asbæk (who was in Lucy with Scarlett) will play Batou, Michael Pitt will play the Laughing Man, and Beat Takeshi plays the Public Security Section 9 founder and chief Daisuke Aramaki.

The director is Rupert Sanders from Snow White and the Huntsman fame and Straight Outta Compton's screenwriter, Jonathan Herman, working on editing earlier drafts of the movie that were written by William Wheeler and Jamie Moss.

I'm not sure what to make of this movie with regards to the casting (I was under the impression most of the main characters of GiTS were Japanese) and whether it'll be any good considering most Western adaptations of anime seem to be kinda bad (Dragonball Evolution for example).

Posted by: kyonpalm Apr 14 2016, 10:17 PM

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Posted by: Saint Apr 14 2016, 10:31 PM

Kikuchi Rinko seems like a better choice, imo.

Posted by: xiao Apr 15 2016, 05:31 AM

Hollywood's trying to sell Japanese pop culture to mainstream America again, eh? Theron sucked as Aeon Flux... the same fate will befall Johansson~

A live action TV series of Stand Alone Complex with an all Japanese cast would rock all sorts of sox. Netflix has the capacity BUT ...lol Netflix, we do what we feel is gewd in da hood mangz~

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Only an all J-cast TV show with a high budget would do SAC justice. The Laughing Man plot is amazing, and the short time-span of a movie would severely maim the story and characters.

It's Aeon Flux all over again, thank god that Evangelion live action hasn't been jump-started yet...

Only a screenshot-by-screenshot identical recreation/replica in live action could ever do anime justice. The medium is great for inspiration: look at the Matrix ... but adaptations: barf Dragon Ball ...they need to be replicated on high budget to a T.

It's not impossible, just impractical from a monetary point of view to the producers. Dirty deeds done dirt cheap. Just another cash~grab by the olde 'murican tinsel town~

Posted by: Seri Apr 15 2016, 05:41 AM

I'll just be over here worrying about Fatal Frame. That movie's still apparently being made.

Posted by: xiao Apr 15 2016, 07:06 AM

QUOTE (Seri @ 1 hour, 23 minutes ago)

I'll just be over here worrying about Fatal Frame. That movie's still apparently being made.

But that has the potential to be The Grudge 'murican version 2 mang~!!

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Would you take my picture~ cause I wooont remembahhh~

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Posted by: BOZZ Apr 15 2016, 09:03 AM

A lot of the negative reactions to the film I've seen online has been about the whitewashing of the cast. The thing is I wonder if this is just another example of how Hollywood is fundamentally broken, as was the case with the casting of that Moses movie, http://variety.com/2014/film/news/ridley-scott-exodus-gods-and-kings-christian-bale-1201363668/, in which the director complained he wouldn't have gotten funding if he hired non-white actors.

It's a shame since I could see an actress like Pacific Rim's Rinko Kikuchi being a far better fit for the role of the Major.

Posted by: kyonpalm Apr 15 2016, 09:14 AM

Wouldn't matter even if they had an all-Japanese cast, it'd still be shit.

Posted by: xiao Apr 15 2016, 09:41 AM

QUOTE (kyonpalm @ 26 minutes, 46 seconds ago)

Wouldn't matter even if they had an all-Japanese cast, it'd still be shit.

Seconded, just remembering Cutey Honey live action makes me wanna put a bullet for my valentine through my cranium... although there are instances where there's an exemption, J-drama adaptations of manga. Iryu was amazing, with a low budget and a lot things chomped from the manga... but it was great seeing all that heart surgery live~

@ BOZZ: Kikuchi's too old in my opinion... Motoko in SAC / the original Shirow manga looks 25... and not that Japanese looking. She's an android, with vague a Japanese appearance... a 20 something bilingual Korean girl could pull it off better. Big stars hardly make faithful characters... a fresh face usually nails the role then fades into obscurity~ tis the nature of the profession, if it can even be called a profession. I'd only quit my day job if I had a multi-film contract with a huge paycheck.

Posted by: kyonpalm Apr 15 2016, 10:22 AM

QUOTE (xiao @ 41 minutes, 46 seconds ago)

... although there are instances where there's an exemption, J-drama adaptations of manga.

My only exposure in that arena is Blue Blazes, and to that extent I agree with you 100%.

Posted by: Sensation! Apr 15 2016, 10:50 AM

They're going to totally miss the point of Ghost in the Shell, hiring Johansson is the least of my worries.

It'll be another Hollywood action flick, I'd be surprised if it tired anything more.

Posted by: Tessou Apr 15 2016, 01:24 PM

Pile of garbage. This will not translate well to general audiences so they'll bullshit the plot into typical action.

Posted by: The Sixth Element Apr 15 2016, 10:44 PM

Imo, this movie will not portray Gits properly and having Scarlett Johansson is basically making this movie into Lucy. The only thing good about this movie is that it's not directed by Ure Bol.

Posted by: BOZZ Apr 18 2016, 09:11 AM

Just read this http://archive.is/RInDn about the Japanese reaction to the casting of Scarlett Johansson in the Western adaptation of GitS and they seem to be pretty indifferent to it.

Posted by: kyonpalm Apr 18 2016, 11:08 AM

QUOTE (Shitaku)

“The gap between Japan and abroad is interesting. Japan: A white person is okay, right? Abroad: We won’t forgive white-washing, cast an Asian person.”

White guilt is strong in our media, thanks to SJW influence. At least the Japs here have sense, and fortunately I expect they won't be drinking that kool aid anytime soon.

Also, I took the liberty of amending that link to keep that garbage site from getting the clicks it doesn't deserve.

Posted by: Tessou Apr 18 2016, 12:17 PM

At least this is happening rather than the aborted Cowboy Bebop movie.

Posted by: kyonpalm Apr 18 2016, 02:08 PM

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2016/04/18/ghost-in-the-shell-just-one-example-of-all-white-everything-asian-adaptations.html

Posted by: Tessou Apr 18 2016, 02:30 PM

Next up, Gundam featuring Michael Cera as Amuro and Seth Rogen as Char.

Posted by: xiao Apr 18 2016, 02:56 PM

+1 on giving ko-crapu any undeserved clicks~ user posted image

Thought this may be of relevant interest to the thread:

(Model: Omi Gibson)

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Suck on cosplayers Hollywood!

Posted by: Tessou Apr 18 2016, 02:58 PM

None of them have the right "talent" in the chestal region if you knowwhutimean.

Posted by: xiao Apr 18 2016, 05:01 PM

QUOTE (Tessou @ 2 hours, 1 minutes ago)

None of them have the right "talent" in the chestal region if you knowwhutimean.

Thank god for replaceable android parts, eh!?

......

it only took me 2 hours to think of a good pun...

Posted by: BOZZ Apr 18 2016, 07:55 PM

QUOTE (Tessou @ 5 hours, 24 minutes ago)

Next up, Gundam featuring Michael Cera as Amuro and Seth Rogen as Char.

Shouldn't Seth Rogen be Amuro, seeing as he sort of resembles Amuro a bit, plus they're both from British Columbia, Canada?

QUOTE (kyonpalm @ 5 hours, 42 minutes ago)

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2016/04/18/ghost-in-the-shell-just-one-example-of-all-white-everything-asian-adaptations.html

I read about that too, the whole bit of Paramount/DreamWorks using CGI to make background characters (according to them) look more East Asian. They apparently turned it down because it didn't look good, but what bugs me is how anyone in their right mind thought that was a good idea.

QUOTE (xiao @ 4 hours, 58 minutes ago)

+1 on giving ko-crapu any undeserved clicks~ http://i.imgur.com/Zz5PvCA.gif

Thought this may be of relevant interest to the thread:

Suck on cosplayers Hollywood!

Hmm, let me hazard a guess, not a big fan of Kotaku?

It's just one of the sites I visit for gaming news (it has the odd interesting article from time to time), others include Gematsu and Dual Shockers.

Posted by: The Sixth Element Apr 18 2016, 07:58 PM

I thought Paramount would like money enough to get an actual Asian actress since its cheaper than Scarlett Johannson. Something is serious gone wrong in Hollywood with their tail between their legs.

Posted by: BOZZ Apr 18 2016, 08:13 PM

QUOTE (The Sixth Element @ 15 minutes, 24 seconds ago)

I thought Paramount would like money enough to get an actual Asian actress since its cheaper than Scarlett Johannson. Something is serious gone wrong in Hollywood with their tail between their legs.

On the plus side they could also help launch someone's acting career if the movie turns out great (like seems to be the case with Daisy Ridley, she's rumoured to have been cast as the new Lara Croft), and they wouldn't have gotten backlash for whitewashing. Then again, this is Hollywood, look no further than the casting choices made for recent movies like Exodus: Gods and Kings.

Posted by: The Sixth Element Apr 18 2016, 08:25 PM

Also, I just realize that the team is not getting help from ANYONE at Kodansha or the creator for this.

I already have a bad feeling about this.....

Posted by: xiao Apr 18 2016, 10:03 PM

QUOTE (BOZZ @ 2 hours, 6 minutes ago)

Hmm, let me hazard a guess, not a big fan of Kotaku?

It's just one of the sites I visit for gaming news (it has the odd interesting article from time to time), others include Gematsu and Dual Shockers.

I was just trying to brown-nose to Kyon cause I consider him senpai~

Actually I don't know anything about gaming sites. The furthest I go is Mecha Damashii and the ANN X-Button Blog...

I used to visit Pinecone Attack, Gematsu, Gamasutra, The 1Up Show with that Hot Japanese Jane girl, Insert Credit, Zeppy's Canned Dogs blog, insomi.ac, Game Watch, Destructoid, and the Shumps forums (I LOVE SPACESHIP SHMUPS)...

But everything's so conveniently on YouTube or podcast format nowadays, that I'd rather wait till the news hits my feed in A/V format... audio/video that is... a/v of the other variety I stopped a looong time ago in favour of JAV and subsequently pure 2D Sad Panda books~

Posted by: BOZZ Apr 19 2016, 07:13 PM

QUOTE (The Sixth Element @ Today, 12:25 AM)

Also, I just realize that the team is not getting help from ANYONE at Kodansha or the creator for this.

I already have a bad feeling about this.....

QUOTE

Sam Yoshiba, the director of the international business division at Kodansha's Tokyo headquarters, commented on the controversy with support for Johansson.

"Looking at her career so far, I think Scarlett Johansson is well cast," he said. "She has the cyberpunk feel. And we never imagined it would be a Japanese actress in the first place." He added that the adaptation is offering an opportunity for a Japanese property to be seen worldwide. Yoshiba recently returned from the set of the film in New Zealand and said he was impressed by the respect the production was showing for the source material.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-04-19/kodansha-sam-yoshiba-supports-scarlett-johansson-casting-choice-for-live-action-gits/.101248

Posted by: xiao Apr 19 2016, 07:40 PM

I think the issue here is that it's Hollywood. The end-all be-all of the film industry.

Cause if this was another Hong Kong Initial D Live Action, or a Metal Gear Solid Bollywood flick with no-name actors... no one would even flinch at the thought of an adaptation~

I remember a couple of years back ANN was all up on fire cause of a tentative Captain Harlock film with Hollywood stars.

Posted by: BOZZ Apr 19 2016, 07:51 PM

QUOTE (xiao @ 11 minutes, 3 seconds ago)

I remember a couple of years back ANN was all up on fire cause of a tentative Captain Harlock film with Hollywood stars.

Didn't they make one in Japan? I remember seeing a Harlock live action film on Netflix and it seemed to be a Japanese production.

Man, this reminds me about G Saviour, a Canadian/Japanese live action Gundam, it wasn't that great, they didn't even have the word Gundam in the title or uttered in the course of the movie.

Posted by: The Sixth Element Apr 19 2016, 08:09 PM

QUOTE (BOZZ @ 56 minutes, 38 seconds ago)

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-04-19/kodansha-sam-yoshiba-supports-scarlett-johansson-casting-choice-for-live-action-gits/.101248

They're really expecting to get cash from this by having American actresses aren't they?

They should just release this as Dragon Ball or The Last Airbender...

Posted by: xiao Apr 20 2016, 03:42 AM

QUOTE (BOZZ @ 7 hours, 49 minutes ago)

Man, this reminds me about G Saviour, a Canadian/Japanese live action Gundam, it wasn't that great, they didn't even have the word Gundam in the title or uttered in the course of the movie.

ahhh G Saviour... the dirty ginger step-child of the Gundam Universe... not even G' Reco is that bad!! ahahah xDD

Yeah I don't remember the details to the Harlock film... all I recall is that everybody wanted some Spanish guy to make it, since his fan-film trailer was hailed as pretty accurate~

YOUTUBE ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26zFDfpL3vY )

He also made some other pretty neat trailers, like Metal Gear, etc.

Posted by: SgtXDNX Apr 20 2016, 05:56 AM

Man, get outta here with all the G-Saviour shade. Quite enjoyed the movie, a lot of the shite it gets is pretty undeserved.

Posted by: xiao Apr 20 2016, 06:26 AM

QUOTE (SgtXDNX @ 28 minutes, 7 seconds ago)

Man, get outta here with all the G-Saviour shade. Quite enjoyed the movie, a lot of the shite it gets is pretty undeserved.

I gotta re-watch it, cause all I remember was thiking... man I should be playing Omega Boost right now... XD

I gotta admit, if they continue it with modern day cinematography, it'd make a pretty neat sequel.

Also, Strike Suit Zero! For pete's sake why didn't Strike Suit Zero/Infinity have any frickin' cut-scenes~!! Curse you Junji Okubo and your cheapass video game company... you left us high & dry!!

Posted by: BOZZ Apr 26 2016, 02:55 PM

QUOTE (xiao @ Apr 20 2016, 10:26 AM)

Also, Strike Suit Zero! For pete's sake why didn't Strike Suit Zero/Infinity have any frickin' cut-scenes~!! Curse you Junji Okubo and your cheapass video game company... you left us high & dry!!

I'd watch it if you're doing something else on the side, like levelling up in an MMO or RPG. As a Gundam fan I've only ever watched G Saviour once, which was IMHO, more than enough.

Posted by: xiao Apr 26 2016, 05:58 PM

QUOTE (BOZZ @ 3 hours, 3 minutes ago)

I'd watch it if you're doing something else on the side, like levelling up in an MMO or RPG. As a Gundam fan I've only ever watch G Saviour once, which was IMHO, more than enough.

You know Johansson would actually make for a pretty sexy doctor or something in a new live action Gundam done right... but yeah GitS... not her bag of tea by a long-shot!

Posted by: kyonpalm May 24 2016, 04:55 PM

Get ready for all the complains about http://en.rocketnews24.com/2016/05/24/live-action-adaptation-of-anime-fullmetal-alchemist-coming-to-theaters/! Oh wait, that won't happen, because SJW logic.

Posted by: BOZZ May 24 2016, 06:20 PM

QUOTE (kyonpalm @ 1 hour, 25 minutes ago)

Get ready for all the complains about http://en.rocketnews24.com/2016/05/24/live-action-adaptation-of-anime-fullmetal-alchemist-coming-to-theaters/! Oh wait, that won't happen, because SJW logic.

Heh, well, I'm sure the argument against it will be that it's a Japanese product catering to a Japanese audience and not intended for the West. The other thing is I'd imagine that there isn't exactly a lot of foreign actors living over there who speak Japanese fluently.

Looks like this movie now has http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-live-action-ghost-in-the-shell-movie-is-adding-anot-1778712744.

Posted by: BOZZ Aug 26 2016, 12:37 PM

Seems like leaked images have popped out for the film:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-08-26/leaked-photos-give-potential-look-at-live-action-ghost-in-the-shell-section-9-task-force/.105769

Posted by: kyonpalm Aug 26 2016, 02:32 PM

QUOTE (BOZZ @ 1 hour, 55 minutes ago)

>black Boma
>black Ishikawa
How progressive.

Posted by: The Sixth Element Aug 26 2016, 08:09 PM

Oh god, Borma and Batou don't have ranger eyes and Beat Takeshi is Aramaki.

This is gonna be bad

Posted by: Seri Aug 27 2016, 01:52 AM

You say that like it's surprising.

Posted by: RalliKai Aug 27 2016, 04:57 AM

Togusa got old.

Posted by: xiao Aug 27 2016, 01:07 PM

QUOTE (BOZZ @ Yesterday, 2:37 PM)

eh~ can't really complain... they nailed Saito. & Johansson looks kind'a cute. ♥

to be honest... I'd hit it

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★ Kitano back in acting is uber-sweet user posted image

I wouldn't pay a movie-ticket to go see it ~ but I'd give it a watch if Blockbuster still existed.

Posted by: Master0fMadness Aug 27 2016, 01:55 PM

I'll bite.

I'm willing to bet that like Tron or Robocop, I'll thoroughly enjoy it while those that know me give me strange looks and judge me.

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Posted by: xiao Aug 27 2016, 04:40 PM

QUOTE (Master0fMadness @ 2 hours, 24 minutes ago)

I'll bite.

I'm willing to bet that like Tron or Robocop, I'll thoroughly enjoy it while those that know me give me strange looks and judge me.

I won't judge ya my sexy mango... however I will bite you!

fufufu~ ♥

✝✝ I forgot to add: that shirt Scarlett Kusanagi is wearing → needs more nipple action... more wet-ACU-action to be precise. Tess & Jake know what I'm talking about ~

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Posted by: Tessou Aug 31 2016, 08:55 PM

She looks hideous. Besides, her nudes are out there, and they are nothing special. The movies doll her up to be far more than she actually is.

Posted by: xiao Aug 31 2016, 11:35 PM

QUOTE (Tessou @ 2 hours, 35 minutes ago)

She looks hideous. Besides, her nudes are out there, and they are nothing special. The movies doll her up to be far more than she actually is.

Years without a real-life woman has [de-calibrated] my [sexy-sensors] ~ I really need to f☆p harder & I completely agree... she looks like a plastic muffle diver.

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(xiao has no backbone

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Posted by: BOZZ Sep 22 2016, 10:00 AM

So apparently some teaser clips from the movie were shown during Mr. Robot this week:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/simulation-becomes-reality-in-the-first-live-action-gho-1786928711?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_twitter&utm_source=io9_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Posted by: xiao Sep 22 2016, 09:41 PM

QUOTE (BOZZ @ Today, 12:00 PM)

So apparently some teaser clips from the movie were shown during Mr. Robot this week:

☆ I kind'a like this one ~>

YOUTUBE ( https://youtube.com/watch?v=q7Tm73m0VZs )

☆ I only wish she should've been naked ... would've added more nostalgia from the 1st film.

☆ 99.9% says this'll probably be another Aeon Flux 2.0 tho ~

Posted by: RalliKai Sep 23 2016, 06:01 AM

It's an intriguing clip. Looking at the other footage, this Makoto doesn't seem as cool-headed as the original anime Makoto.

I spared myself from Aeon Flux but now I'm curious about checking it out.

Posted by: MidnightViper88 Sep 23 2016, 06:26 AM

I remember literally nothing from the Aeon Flux movie, other than a general story element and that too was far from its original animated source material.

But I'm willing to give a live-action GitS a fair chance, because when it comes to movies, it's not worth thinking too much about them. Not until you've seen them, anyway.

Posted by: The Sixth Element Sep 23 2016, 08:47 PM

the clips seem to be pretty good and we even have a release date as well on the YT description as well. March 31, 2017

Posted by: RalliKai Nov 15 2016, 12:59 PM

So, new trailer's out.

YOUTUBE ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4VmJcZR0Yg )

Definitely adapting Oshii's adaption.

Posted by: xiao Nov 16 2016, 06:34 AM

QUOTE (RalliKai @ Yesterday, 2:59 PM)

So, new trailer's out.

★ peoples can say what they want ~ but I frickin' like it ~ user posted image

★ probly won't be going to the movies to watch it but... will definitely give it a go sooner or later!

☆

...needs more Lancia Stratos tho'

Posted by: The Sixth Element Nov 16 2016, 08:19 PM

Paramount is hyping me with this movie and they ruined the way that Batou looks in the trailer. Hope it changes perspective with these movies (i kinda doubt that)

Posted by: xiao Nov 17 2016, 05:43 AM

QUOTE (The Sixth Element @ 9 hours, 22 minutes ago)

Paramount is hyping me with this movie and they ruined the way that Batou looks in the trailer. Hope it changes perspective with these movies (i kinda doubt that)

☆ It ain't dat bad brotha but yeah hype is most-definitely imminent s'pecially with that super futuristic Ferraru Testarossa googly-eyes 👀 Batou is racin' down the corridor!

Posted by: RalliKai Nov 17 2016, 06:46 AM

Also noticed the Lotus Excel with a body kit making an appearance.

I thought they portrayed Batou off pretty well.

Posted by: xiao Nov 17 2016, 09:11 AM

Saito's not that bad from the teaser shots & Scarlett doesn't look half bad with purply-hair ~ though that fugly plastic lookin' robo-body really does look gooey & outta place ~ like when Neo 1st got outta the Matrix. It would've been edgier if she had actually been naked those scenes.

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The thing I always look forward to in GitS is the ending scene of the manga where they're all drinking sake under a shrine's garden with a bunch of fuchikoma's; then Aramaki gives 'em a call & they all swoop down the highway in their robo-arachnoids.

~ That's supposed to be the start of Oshii's SAC Laughing Man story.

Posted by: The Sixth Element Nov 19 2016, 07:34 PM

QUOTE (RalliKai @ Nov 17 2016, 06:46 AM)

Also noticed the Lotus Excel with a body kit making an appearance.

I thought they portrayed Batou off pretty well.

There was a certain scene with Batou without the ranger eyes which I kinda saw it being iffy.

Posted by: BOZZ Mar 6 2017, 03:48 PM

We're about a little over 3 weeks away from the film's release. I'm thinking of checking it out, but on a Tuesday when the tickets are cheaper.

Anyone else hear about some backlash about Steve Aoki doing a remix of the theme from the '95 film?

Posted by: kyonpalm Mar 6 2017, 05:06 PM

QUOTE (BOZZ @ 1 hour, 17 minutes ago)

I'm just done being triggered by it at this point. It's gonna be the next DB Evolution and that's that.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Mar 6 2017, 07:22 PM

Gonna go watch it, because fuck it. The rage alone is worth it.

Posted by: xiao Mar 6 2017, 08:40 PM

~ y'know aside from Scarlett playing Motoko ~ it actually looks quite rather faithful to the manga & Oshii's 1995 film. I guess the only problem really is ... Johansson herself.

Like the upstanding weeaboo I am. I think had they picked a Japanese girl to do the role everybody would've been happy with the movie. Not just the Japanese themselves

YOUTUBE ( https://youtube.com/watch?v=CZg2fpr8eus )

Needs more rated NC-17 lesbian-droid arm-detaching in a boat scenes ... sayin'

☆

Posted by: BOZZ Mar 7 2017, 09:04 AM

QUOTE (xiao @ Today, 12:40 AM)

I'm not gonna go see John Wick 2 I'm not gonna go see John Wick 2 I'm not gonna go see John Wick 2 I'm not gonna go see John Wick 2 I'm not gonna go see John Wick 2 I'm not gonna go see John Wick 2 ...

Funny how all the Japanese kiddo's on the internet are super hyped for & loving the trailers ~ while the English speaking fanbase the world over is grilling every small detail about the film. https://idforums.net/style_images/1/icon4.gif

~ y'know aside from Scarlett playing Motoko ~ it actually looks quite rather faithful to the manga & Oshii's 1995 film. I guess the only problem really is ... Johansson herself.

Like the upstanding weeaboo I am. I think had they picked a Japanese girl to do the role everybody would've been happy with the movie. Not just the Japanese themselves

~

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CZg2fpr8eus
Needs more rated NC-17 lesbian-droid arm-detaching in a boat scenes ... sayin'

☆

What's wrong with John wick 2? I was under the impression that the John Wick movies are great though?

QUOTE (kyonpalm @ Yesterday, 9:06 PM)

I'm just done being triggered by it at this point. It's gonna be the next DB Evolution and that's that.

Oh man, I don't think it looks even remotely as bad as DB Evolution.

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Posted by: Seri Mar 7 2017, 10:17 AM

I dunno, unlike DBE, these people seem to at least somewhat care about the movie.

Posted by: xiao Mar 7 2017, 12:57 PM

QUOTE (BOZZ @ 3 hours, 9 minutes ago)

What's wrong with John wick 2? I was under the impression that the John Wick movies are great though?

I was saying it as in trying to stop myself from going to see John Wick 2 given it's a unanimously better movie than this GitS iteration, which is ruined by mis-casting Scarlett in place of a Japanese actress

The John Wick movies are basically the Matrix 2 ... they're flipping sweet! Plus Keanu's one of my fave actors since like Bill & Ted ~ heck even Sweet November too

My all-time favourite movie's The Matrix so yep ~ even if faithful to the manga & Oshii ~ I still wouldn't go see it instead of JW2 user posted image

QUOTE (Seri @ 1 hour, 57 minutes ago)

I dunno, unlike DBE, these people seem to at least somewhat care about the movie.

Some things aren't meant to be translated into live action ... for example if ADV's Evangelion ever takes off the theoretical ground; that'd thing be so horribly campy like the Speed Racer movie!

Best live-action adaptation ever made in my book ~ is Raimi's Spider-Man with Tobey Maguire. No previous or subsequent actor will ever nail Peter Parker like Tobey. Bale got super-close on the Batman Begins but no dice compared to Maguire ~ Raimi's 1st film was da bomb-diggity damn since the Twin Towers trailer.

Honestly speaking, I liked the Green Lantern & the new Lupin movie ~ but I think they just weren't meant to be adapted into live action from the comic & the anime. Likewise GitS ~ & Johansson just doesn't amount to Motoko's character.

DBE and Aeon Flux are SOOO frickin' bad ahaha ~ just my 2 cents. Tastes differ & I still haven't seen Dead Pool user posted image

~ ☆

Posted by: BOZZ Mar 9 2017, 11:30 PM

QUOTE (xiao @ Mar 7 2017, 04:57 PM)

The John Wick movies are basically the Matrix 2 ... they're flipping sweet! Plus Keanu's one of my fave actors since like Bill & Ted ~ heck even Sweet November too

My all-time favourite movie's The Matrix so yep ~ even if faithful to the manga & Oshii ~ I still wouldn't go see it instead of JW2 https://idforums.net/style_images/1/icon4.gif ~

Some things aren't meant to be translated into live action ... for example if ADV's Evangelion ever takes off the theoretical ground; that'd thing be so horribly campy like the Speed Racer movie!

Best live-action adaptation ever made in my book ~ is Raimi's Spider-Man with Tobey Maguire. No previous or subsequent actor will ever nail Peter Parker like Tobey. Bale got super-close on the Batman Begins but no dice compared to Maguire ~ Raimi's 1st film was da bomb-diggity damn since the Twin Towers trailer.

Well, for one thing ADV technically went out of business and its remnants formed a new company which I doubt will ever be as financially well off as ADV did at its pinnacle when they proposed a live action Evangelion.

I don't know if Evangelion would be campy, especially in light of Pacific Rim, plus Speed Racer being as campy as it was kind of fit, it'd be so weird if an Evangelion live action film was remotely close to it in terms of campiness.

I'm probably going to go see with my one buddy who enjoys Scarlett Johanson films (I was super disappointed by the last one I saw that had her as the main lead - Lucy).

Posted by: xiao Mar 10 2017, 12:33 AM

I began watching Lucy when I was on dual-monitors & started doing something else... then by the time I focused on Lucy in the 2nd screen, the credits were rolling. I vaguely remember something about a gringy scene that looked like a torture chamber, but otherwise the only Johansson role I've ever liked was the Perfect Score girl with the 🍒 panchira fanservice at the intro. Lost in Translation was saved by Bill Murray & amazing story telling but the part she played was too bleh. Totally not Johansson's fault, but I like her better when she's playing the nerd, like in Perfect Score.

Thinking about it over re-watching Oshii's 1995 film & re-skimming through the manga however... I think it's gonna be a very polarizing movie.

On one hand fans of the comic are problably gonna think Scarlett is mediocre as the Major, and will just tell you to watch Stand Alone Complex cause it's the most faithful adaptation of the procedural nature of the manga, even though the plot's set months before the start of the Puppeteer's story... where Oshii came in to do an actual version of the manga's plot ~ but totally missing the procedural cop-drama spirit of the comic book.

Then you have the fans of Oshii's 1995 film, that are probably gonna love everything about the movie. Thanks to the kickbutt job the portrayal of antagonist the Puppeteer/Puppet Master is gonna do just based-off the previews of him in the shadows. But they're still gonna hate Johansson as Motoko because YES she's an android, but NO her appearance isn't vague and sure-as-shine isn't American either.

I think I'm gonna fall under the people that are gonna love it as its own stand alone opus, with no merit to Johansson as Major Kusanagi. But just be too enamoured with The Puppeteer's presence in a semi-live role, barring all the CG stuff they're gonna add to him, to hate the film one bit.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Johansson at all, I love her as an actress... but only when she plays the right roles. I mean I can't wait to see her on SNL this weekend, but she's just not Major Kusanagi fabric in my shop.

And if you ask me frankly. Oshii's movie is deep, but boring and dated. We're not living in Blade Runner or the cyberpunk 80's anymore. So the best iteration, even better than Shirow's x-mas scramble mumbo-jumbo technobabble drudgery outdated art of a comic book... is Stand Alone Complex. 2 Seasons, 1 OVA, and 1 Movie.

That's the best Ghost in the Shell in my book.

~ now why is this thread feeling like an episode of the Anime Round Table podcast...?

Posted by: MidnightViper88 Mar 20 2017, 02:04 PM

I went to see the original film in theaters when that was airing in theaters like almost 2 months ago. First time I saw it I tried watching it late at night with one of my brothers and ended up falling asleep during certain scenes just because I can't stay up late anymore, so it felt like I was watching it for the first time all over again. From a philosophical standpoint, it's still a very relevant film over 2 decades later the more "intelligent" humans create AI, and with how even more vicarious people "live" on the internet these days.

I feel the live action film will play homage to the original animated film, but will have its own very different story to tell, so trying to make direct connections will probably be arbitrary. I love seeing Scarlett Johansson play Black Widow in the MCU films, so I think she'll do a good representation of The Major.

People can never go through a movie without making a big deal about the race/ethnicity of the actors playing a character. Sometimes it's justified concern, other times it's pointless fluff. I was thinking the other day that if you really think about it, The Major's body is fully prosthetic, so as far as her external appearance goes, she doesn't have a biological race/ethnicity, per se, so there's technically there's nothing wrong with a non-Japanese playing her. Remember that businessman in the Jameson body with the fake Texan accent in the English dub of SAC? Yeah, race/ethnicity is also kind of arbitrary for full-prosthetic cyborgs in that universe too...

Posted by: xiao Mar 20 2017, 04:56 PM

QUOTE (MidnightViper88 @ 2 hours, 36 minutes ago)

People can never go through a movie without making a big deal about the race/ethnicity of the actors playing a character. Sometimes it's justified concern, other times it's pointless fluff. I was thinking the other day that if you really think about it, The Major's body is fully prosthetic, so as far as her external appearance goes, she doesn't have a biological race/ethnicity, per se, so there's technically there's nothing wrong with a non-Japanese playing her. Remember that businessman in the Jameson body with the fake Texan accent in the English dub of SAC? Yeah, race/ethnicity is also kind of arbitrary for full-prosthetic cyborgs in that universe too...

I like Johansson too and it makes absolute sense in my head from a logical viewpoint that Major Kusanagi could be any ethnicity since she's an android. And Hiro Protagonist from Stephenson's Snow Crash was actually Blackanese.

But this isn't a novel or a dissertation thesis on cyberpunk subculture, it's a movie. 90% aesthetic, 9% T&A, 1% logic.

That 1% just doesn't justify putting her in that role. Visually, I'd rather see another actress play the Major. I mean it wasn't any secret that they casted Johansson cause of her affiliation with Lost in Translation & Japanese culture. And I would've been equally disappointed if they'd casted Chiaki Kuriyama, another A-list Hollywood actress, as Major Kusanagi in this live GitS ... cause she just doesn't look good as the Major, like Johansson.

I'm super thrilled about the film cause of the previews of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ghost_in_the_Shell_characters#Recurring_characters we've gotten via the trailers, but I still think that role could've been better casted. Not necessarily Japanese, even though subconsciously that's what everyone thinks cause of her very Japanese name: Kusanagi Motoko.

I think it'll be a good film ... just not 'classic' Blade Runner good, another film that hits all the brain-logic points, but remains a totally boring flick in the action department. At least this GitS will be more entertaining like the Snatcher video game tho.

Posted by: BOZZ Mar 20 2017, 06:17 PM

QUOTE (xiao @ 1 hour, 20 minutes ago)

Blade Runner was pretty good, funny you bring it up since it's got a sequel coming out this year, and you're probably right about this live action GitS probably having no chance of b coming a cult classic like Blade Runner.

Man, bringing up Snatcher, such a great game, here's hoping Kojima's Death Stranding game and other future projects are more like Snatcher (which was super inspired by Blade Runner) and Policenauts and less Metal Gear.

Posted by: xiao Mar 20 2017, 06:33 PM

QUOTE (BOZZ @ 11 minutes, 2 seconds ago)

Yeah! I like Blade Runner cause of the aesthetic & detective'y theme, but it sometimes leaves me wanting in the action department. It's one of Harrison Ford's classics imo.

That's what attracted me to Snatcher, it was essentially Kojima's take on Blade Runner. Cause back in the day video game companies had a smaller budget than even anime Co's, so he made due with what he had & pieced-up a sweet tribute to one of his favourite films ... and to day I still think Snatcher was a better/juicer story than even the Blade Runner movie itself. Likewise Policenauts with Lethal Weapon right! ♥

I usually can't talk Ghost in the Shell & cyberpunk without bringing up Blade Runner, anything by Kojima sans MGS, or Bubblegum Crisis lol.

Kawajiri is a beast by himself, so I usually leave him out of 80's discussions. But I think his movies would make for a super interesting and/or hilarious live action if Takashi Miike ever adapted any of his anime to screen.

Posted by: BOZZ Mar 20 2017, 08:26 PM

QUOTE (xiao @ 1 hour, 53 minutes ago)

Yeah! I like Blade Runner cause of the aesthetic & detective'y theme, but it sometimes leaves me wanting in the action department. It's one of Harrison Ford's classics imo.

Heh, it still boggles my mind that Takashi Miike directed the live action Ace Attorney film a few years back.

Posted by: xiao Mar 21 2017, 12:43 AM

QUOTE (BOZZ @ 3 hours, 57 minutes ago)

Heh, it still boggles my mind that Takashi Miike directed the live action Ace Attorney film a few years back.

I still haven't seen it but wow! By the trailers it looks like Miike's most civilized film to date. Usually when I think of him, I picture Show Aikawa swinging a poodle over his head then flinging it at a yakuza parlour's window lol

SPOILER

I'm pretty hyped for Miike's Blade of the Immortal adaptation tho'

... I loved the manga Dark Horse put out, and Manji the main character is like a really coarse Kenshin. Which reminds me I still gotta see the live Kenshin movies with Tatsuya Fujiwara as Shishio. Man I've been slacking-off on my live action these last couple of years.

YOUTUBE ( https://youtube.com/watch?v=FnuyEkBU16Y )

I guess people are just expecting too much out of this Ghost in the Shell movie. Like, it's got a lot of name & nostalgia to live up to, and people myself included, are just being grumpy cats about the whole thing. And maybe that's why the Japanese themselves don't actually see it as a bastardization of their beloved franchise. Cause in Japan, Ghost in the Shell was never really something so iconic it garnered a God-like status. It's just another good anime from the 90's with no Blockbuster video rental or Suncoast VHS nostalgia to make people hate a live action iteration by a Western team years subsequent & later.

If we look at it from the viewpoint of another fun anime to live action adaptation instead of a cult-classic ... I think everyone will enjoy it for what it is. Another fun, maybe even slightly quirky movie from an oldie but goodie Sci-Fi anime from years gone by, like Miike's works.

Posted by: BOZZ Mar 31 2017, 04:05 PM

So it's out, I'm thinking I'm going to pass on I consider it the reviews from anime/gaming sites are saying it's not that great, plus there was a bit of a spoiler I accidentally read in one review which made me think the whole movie is really stupid.

Posted by: The Sixth Element Apr 1 2017, 11:12 PM

I have watched the movie this friday and I would like to say that its a different story from the original which it did announce,

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Its not a bad movie neither it was a great movie, its sort of in the middle.The visuals were pretty cool and just gives off the Cyberpunk vive thats its well known for. (Also made me kinda hype for the new Projekt CD Red game Cyberpunk 2077) I won't spoil the movie for those who haven't watched it, but I think its worth a watch ONCE.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 2 2017, 12:06 AM

Yep, totally agreed. I enjoyed it, I didn't regret going to see it, it made sense, but I don't feel the need to re-watch it.

Posted by: BOZZ Apr 2 2017, 07:28 AM

QUOTE (The Sixth Element @ 8 hours, 15 minutes ago)

I have watched the movie this friday and I would like to say that its a different story from the original which it did announce,

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What did you think of....

SPOILER

Posted by: Tessou Apr 2 2017, 10:07 AM

The handwave of doom.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 3 2017, 07:44 AM

QUOTE (BOZZ @ Yesterday, 7:28 AM)

What did you think of....

SPOILER

Posted by: The Sixth Element Apr 3 2017, 10:13 PM

QUOTE (BOZZ @ Yesterday, 7:28 AM)

SPOILER

Its a big spoiler so I'd rather watch the movie before reading that. Its just my opinion on the matter but it still does spoil some parts of it.

Posted by: Tessou Apr 4 2017, 08:06 PM

QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ Apr 3 2017, 11:44 AM)

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B...but I was agreeing with you...

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 4 2017, 10:51 PM

QUOTE (Tessou @ 2 hours, 45 minutes ago)

B...but I was agreeing with you...

You have the wrong Asuka as your avatar, b-baka! So nyanners!

Posted by: xiao Apr 5 2017, 07:27 AM

The spoilers in this thread have actually sparked an interest in watching the movie now:

Still, they could've done any story from the zillions of spin-offs GitS has offsprung ... and they still would've been the same because Scarlett just doesn't make a good Motoko. It's not about having a white actress, it was about trying to make GitS appealing to the mindless masses with an A-list celebrity.

And it was neither appealing to the otaku that love GitS, or the little kids that would rather watch Power Rangers, or their parents that were wishing they could've gone seen John Wick 2 instead. If they would've made it a Rated R flick ~ it would've had a bit more success methinks.

QUOTE (Tessou @ Yesterday, 10:06 PM)

B...but I was agreeing with you...

QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 8 hours, 26 minutes ago)

You have the wrong Asuka as your avatar, b-baka! So nyanners!

There can only be ONE Queen of T-Back's ... If anybody gets that reference: you're going to hell with xiao too!

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 5 2017, 09:11 AM

>chu2 asuka
>not glorious german asuka

GTFO!

As for the film, I have two friends who haven't seen it who have decided already that it's horrible and an affront to the original and isn't worth the digital media it was mastered on yadda yadda yadda. Of course, they haven't seen it, so I just kinda chuckle. I then go into a belly laugh when they defend their position by posting an article where some SJW-leaning Japanese-American actresses get butthurt that they weren't cast.

lol k

The only thing that disappoints me is that the filmmakers are too busy pointing blame to advocate for their film, but ah well. It was worth seeing just to enjoy--and to make SJWs mad.

Posted by: BOZZ Apr 9 2017, 08:26 PM

I wonder how the whitewashing controversy really affected the movie's release cause judging from a few articles I've read, it's expected that the movie is going to end up being a bust financially and that the film makers are going to be losing $60 million.