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Posted by: odomi_san Mar 11 2006, 07:46 PM
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okay I am confused.

What is the approximate date of this series?

I think we can determine that since Godfoot is driving a R34 nur(2002). If the R34 is new or could be less than 6 months old, what year would the initial D world fall in to?

The show started in late 90's right? so they didn't know the existence of R34 yet. And all the drivers have cars on that era. Like Ryosuke with the FC which is no later than 1990, Sudoh with Evo III which is I don't know what year, is it '95 maybe.

A good explanation would be that since they are amateur drivers, none of them have the money to buy a new car and use it in street racing. Godfoot could afford it since he's in his 40's.

So I would say that Initial D fall around 2002-2003.
If that is true, then the 86 would be close to 20 years old if older.
And a 20 year old car driven everyday would have about 240,000 miles if not more (it could even be close to 300,000 miles)

What year do you think Initial D falls under?

Posted by: kyoichi Mar 11 2006, 08:01 PM
I don't know what time new cars come out in Japan and from Episode 1 of First Stage and till Episode 18 of Fourth Stage, it is stated in the anime by Koichiro and Itsuki that exactly one year has passed.

Therefore the anime could be 2000-2001, 2001-2002, 2002-2003.

Posted by: Indecisive Mar 11 2006, 08:03 PM
initially, when Initial D came out, like you said, it would seem that it was the mid to late 90's, however, because the new cars are far cooler than the old cars..they had to include them heh.

This shifted the timestage to like you said, early 2000's/the present.

Remember that the engine of the AE86 blew early into the series. Way back in 2nd stage, which was only like 6 months in to the Initial D timeline due to the high mileage and the abuse that the car was given through the years. And since then, it's only been less than a year and a half.

Posted by: BOZZ Mar 11 2006, 08:04 PM
Although it is a NUR, the story seems more like it takes place in 1999 rather than in 2000+.

The first R34 GT-R (in the manga God Foot's GT-R is just a normal R34) came out in early 1999, as did the S2000 and Lancer Evolution VI.

The timeline of Initial D is odd anyway you look at it, as the God Foot/Hand races apparently take place a year after the original Keisuke vs Takumi race, which took place in or around 1996/1997 (since Takumi's car is referred to as being 10 years old).

Posted by: Indecisive Mar 11 2006, 08:09 PM
I have a theory...

1st - 3rd stage took place in what I like to call.."Universal Century"...that's basically 10 years from our current time, so 1996ish

and 4th stage is a completely new series that takes place in the "After Colony" universe. Basically, in this timeline, everything is exactly the same, except that everything that happens in this universe is shifted 10 years forward...

They just never told us...





sorry...I just re-downloaded Zeta Gundam, Gundam ZZ and Gundam Wing in the past week...lol

Posted by: odomi_san Mar 11 2006, 08:10 PM
^ I am pretty sure it was the R34 M-spec Nur.

Because I looked closely when they flashed the back of the R34.

Let me research it and find out which episode it is.

Posted by: bROCKoLEE Mar 11 2006, 08:15 PM
The show is suppose to take place in like mid to late 90's for the 86 to still be considered a 10 year old car if that were so then how the hell do you have all these cars that came out in like the 21st century? Thus coming to a conclusion that Initial D doesn't follow normal time and space. An example would be a race/run that would normally take no more than 10 minutes in real life takes around 30-60 minutes in Initial D lol =P

Posted by: EA99 Mar 11 2006, 08:15 PM
what about the altezza? that car is like 2000ish!! i reckon the story is screwed seeing how in 4th stage they even state its what 6 months since takumi owned the gunma scene?

Posted by: odomi_san Mar 11 2006, 08:32 PM
No wait. Episode 20 around 6:15 in it says V-spec II Nur.

V-spec II Nur came out 2002

How about the Imprezza that Bunta have? Isn't that a Ver V which was released on 1998?

So it wouldn't fall under a used car category if the setting took place in 1999. I don't know the standard lease agreement in Japan but in US is 3 years. Even so, the Imprezza would be practically slightly used.

Then if Takumi drives the Imprezza, he can easily beat Ryosuke and his middle-aged FC

If I am right (circa 2002-2003), then Iketany found a mint S13, if he bought it used. They must have taken care of their car very well, cause I got a used 1996 Accord last year and looked like a "1996" Accord. But then it's anime, can't bother with the details too much.

Posted by: AzNMaVbOi Mar 11 2006, 09:58 PM
I'm betting when Shigeno and Co. put out the first season/series of mangas, they never expected Initial D to be such a hit. But after realizing Initial D was such a huge hit, Shigeno kept cranking out the comics and episodes. He probably never even realized he's messed up his own timeline.

Posted by: Phantom_R32 Mar 11 2006, 10:06 PM
Yeah...I never really understood the time line...

If it was 1999 back in first stage why didn't Nakazato or Keisuke get a R34 GT-R or a Spirit R RX-7...


I think in the manga it doesn't mention the date or anything..but I think the anime is the one that screwed the whole timeline up.

I don't know..I just don't get it. x_x

Posted by: BOZZ Mar 11 2006, 10:10 PM
Actually aside from the R34 being a Nur in the anime (it's a normal GT-R R34 in the manga, from 1999), the other cars are all from 1999 or before. That could very well change considering how much further Initial D has to go.

Posted by: odomi_san Mar 11 2006, 11:55 PM
QUOTE
I'm betting when Shigeno and Co. put out the first season/series of mangas, they never expected Initial D to be such a hit. But after realizing Initial D was such a huge hit, Shigeno kept cranking out the comics and episodes. He probably never even realized he's messed up his own timeline.


I agree. Because 1st - 3rd actually have closure.

Since they are making money anyway, might as well milk it.

I wonder what kind of cars are they gonna come out with in 5th stage.

Imagine they come out with cars later than 2005 and only a few weeks has passed from the ending of 4th stage. Then they will really screw it up.

Did they forgot about this or didn't think that the fans would notice?

Posted by: Chidoki Mar 12 2006, 01:24 AM
odomi-san...next time edit your post above instead of making a double post when you're posting so you know. Anyway i fixed it for you but next time.

The timeline is already screwed especially with the S2K and the V-Spec Nur but even though just like stated above the series could act as a Universal timeline when Keisuke called the 86 a ten year old relic waaaay back after all, and timeline suddenly shift with more newer cars added.

But when comparing it with timeline of a series, what date do you think the races took place. For example, Kenta taking a tan and everyone bothered by the heat was the hint of summer starting so the Godhand/Godfoot battle could be in June, while the rain race and most of the raining tofu delivery while during the Saitama challenge times was hinted of somewhat Spring (april showers bring may flowers?).

After all the whole series does take in a one year time zone.

So 5th Stage could take place from End of June all the way through beginning of September.

Posted by: YusukeSenpai Mar 13 2006, 12:48 AM
QUOTE (Chidoki @ Yesterday at 1:24 AM)
odomi-san...next time edit your post above instead of making a double post when you're posting so you know.  Anyway i fixed it for you but next time.

The timeline is already screwed especially with the S2K and the V-Spec Nur but even though just like stated above the series could act as a Universal timeline when Keisuke called the 86 a ten year old relic waaaay back after all, and timeline suddenly shift with more newer cars added. 

But when comparing it with timeline of a series, what date do you think the races took place.  For example, Kenta taking a tan and everyone bothered by the heat was the hint of summer starting so the Godhand/Godfoot battle could be in June, while the rain race and most of the raining tofu delivery while during the Saitama challenge times was hinted of somewhat Spring (april showers bring may flowers?).

After all the whole series does take in a one year time zone.

So 5th Stage could take place from End of June all the way through beginning of September.

In Japanese whenever something is 10-20 years old, they use the tenth year for some odd reason as the basis for the years between 10 and 20. So even if someone did say the car is ten years old, the car can range from ten to twenty years. Saying anything between those years gets too long and sounds awkward to japanese.
You may hear phrases like "Jyuunen hayai" in other animes which literally means "you are ten years too young", but in Anglish terms it means "you're still green; a noob". Japan loves to use the number ten for some odd reason. Still don't understand why...

In the Japanese manga, you see Shigeno put the year 199X in the very first pages of VOL. 1, so it could be anywhere in the 90s. But we're seeing cars like the R34 and S2000 and LanEvoVI which are 1999-2000 releases, and through deductive reasoning, Takumi graduated in the year 2000.

***Spoiler***















In vol 32, Takumi and Itsuki goes up Akina for fun and noticed that a lot of people are hangin' out on the touge. Itsuki then says "A lot of people gather around here once summer came around."




So at the end of Purple Shadow, we are looking at the beginnig of Summer in the year 2000.

But then again, Shigeno can do whatev he wants.... happy.gif

Posted by: Soran Mar 13 2006, 01:11 AM
Dont try to make sense of the Initial D timeline, because you will go crazy trying to do so.

Just look at the appearance of the Evos in the series. In second stage Seiji's Evo IV (1996) was made out to be state of the art and brand-new, which was why every one of Emperor's opponents looked as though they wanted to piss in their pants. However later you have the guys on Tsuchisaka with an Evo V (1998) and a Evo VI (1999). However, according to the manga and anime, it has been only a year since Takumi's first battle with Keisuke's FD

In Fourth Stage it's even more confusing by the fact that you have the God's Arm driving the S2000 (2000) and God's Foot driving the Skyline GT-R V-spec II (manga, 2000) or Skyline GT-R V-spec II Nur (anime, 2002)

The only advice i can give would be to hell with the timeline of the cars and just enjoy the story.

Phantom_R32: Illegal street racers for the most part dont have deep pockets, which would explain why Nakazato's using a R32 instead of a R34, because the R32 would be much cheaper on the used car market than the R34. Also, for the FD Spirit R, it was a limited edition car that required major connections and finances to buy, which may be out of the reach of even the Takahashi brothers.

Posted by: Taku_E70 Mar 13 2006, 03:06 AM
Okay Initial D really screwed up here (PG rated language)

Rofl it doesnt matter anyway. As long as we get what we want..

More episodes turned.gif

Posted by: mrs86 Mar 13 2006, 06:17 AM
96 to 02 I believe, takumi is now 24 in the 4th stage.

Posted by: WRX Mar 13 2006, 07:20 AM
QUOTE (mrs86 @ Today at 10:17 AM)
96 to 02 I believe, takumi is now 24 in the 4th stage.

how did you know his 24? I think his 19 or 20

Posted by: odomi_san Mar 13 2006, 09:10 AM
Thanks for the edit by the way Senior Moderator.

Takumi is only 19, they said so, or I think he said so (forgot which ep).
It was only a year since they graduated.

I am enjoying the episodes by the way, and I am happy enough that there are more.

A good explanation provided above that they do use the number 10 and we do to as a simple estimation since some models lasts for a few years in the market.

Another point. If you guys play Gran Turismo, you probably come accross with the Toyota Trueno Shuichi Shigeno Version. It is dated as year 2000 and it has the new hood and head lights so I think I can conclude that it would be circa 1999-2000 after all. If it is, then it is kind of reasonable to have those new cars, but still Bunta's car is not so old but they make it sound like it is so used for it to have a bargain price.

I have not read the manga yet, so I didn't know about the difference from the anime about the R34. Thanks for the info guys.

It was kind of amazing too how Project D conquered a lot of teritory in just 3-4 months span.

Spoiler











I was very surprised when Ikatani mentioned that it was a year ago when the Redsuns first appeared. That is actually the scene that got me started with this whole thread. Since it took a long time to produce the 4th stage I just felt that the setting should have been given at least 2 years gap from the 3rd stage specially the way the 2 drivers have developed to their level. I was shocked too that Ryosuke have organized Project D very quickly.

Posted by: mrs86 Mar 13 2006, 12:04 PM
QUOTE (WRX @ Today at 7:20 AM)
how did you know his 24? I think his 19 or 20

cuz in the manga takumi was 18 in 96, and the GTR nur was made in 02. you do the math.

Posted by: Chidoki Mar 13 2006, 12:53 PM
QUOTE (mrs86 @ Today at 12:04 PM)
cuz in the manga takumi was 18 in 96, and the GTR nur was made in 02. you do the math.

Don't forget when Sakamoto asked how old Takumi was...Takumi's response was 19 years old as mentioned on episode 13.

Posted by: YusukeSenpai Mar 14 2006, 01:23 AM
QUOTE (odomi_san @ Yesterday at 9:10 AM)
Thanks for the edit by the way Senior Moderator.

Takumi is only 19, they said so, or I think he said so (forgot which ep).
It was only a year since they graduated.

I am enjoying the episodes by the way, and I am happy enough that there are more.

A good explanation provided above that they do use the number 10 and we do to as a simple estimation since some models lasts for a few years in the market.

Another point. If you guys play Gran Turismo, you probably come accross with the Toyota Trueno Shuichi Shigeno Version. It is dated as year 2000 and it has the new hood and head lights so I think I can conclude that it would be circa 1999-2000 after all. If it is, then it is kind of reasonable to have those new cars, but still Bunta's car is not so old but they make it sound like it is so used for it to have a bargain price.

I have not read the manga yet, so I didn't know about the difference from the anime about the R34. Thanks for the info guys.

It was kind of amazing too how Project D conquered a lot of teritory in just 3-4 months span.

Spoiler











I was very surprised when Ikatani mentioned that it was a year ago when the Redsuns first appeared. That is actually the scene that got me started with this whole thread. Since it took a long time to produce the 4th stage I just felt that the setting should have been given at least 2 years gap from the 3rd stage specially the way the 2 drivers have developed to their level. I was shocked too that Ryosuke have organized Project D very quickly.

I think the reason why the Toyota Trueno Shuichi Shigeno Version was dated as year 2000 was because 2000 was the year Shigeno introduced the new hachi (with the carbon fiber hood style) in Kodansha's Young Magazine which debuted at the end of 2000.

Posted by: BOZZ Mar 14 2006, 01:33 AM
Oh, and just to add a bit, the reason the GT-R R34 in the anime was a Nur was to spice up the anime a bit and make it a little different from the manga.

It doesn't mean that the story takes place in 2002.

Posted by: YusukeSenpai Mar 14 2006, 01:51 AM
^True that....

And if the book "Legend of Project D" (recap of the Project D races) follows the manga, then the R34 was a GT-R V-SPEC.

Posted by: Chidoki Mar 14 2006, 07:19 AM
That does make sense...anyway we've yet to find out the type of cars seen in future volumes/episodes which can add more confusion.

Posted by: BOZZ Mar 14 2006, 09:42 AM
True, it makes me wonder what car Shigeno will include next, he's running out of the more well known ones....

Posted by: REDSUN Mar 15 2006, 04:40 AM
in the 1st episode of first stage when takumi says he doesnt know anything abouth the 86 iketani says it couldn't be helped the 92 was out when they were in the 3rd or 4th grade.

Posted by: Rudy Jun 12 2006, 05:45 PM
There's an interesting argument that was brewing in another thread about the cars used in the timeline, started by me - I'll bring it up.


See, considering when the series started, 1996, and paired with the fact the timeline continues only to about a year from when it started, why must Shigeno continue to go against the general rules of all things chronologic?

I'll take the two latest examples... from the anime, and give two alternatives - hell, I'll even replace Nobuhiko's car.


God Foot... whatever his name is, it slips my mind: Alright, we're talking about a "god"-class driver, with an unbeatable AWD car that is almost like a RWD car in its handling prowless and is considered relatively "undriftable"? - How about the car that somewhat inspired the ATTESA ET-S system, Porsche's famed 959?

God Hand... Why not turn the clocks back a bit and have Takumi face a truly unique opponent? Why not use another relic-ish car with a very similar attitude, such as... a heavily modded FB? That would be awesome, if he raced a high-strung NA 13B FB, because I would imagine the car's characteristics - handling and power-curve-wise - very similar to the 86's. Just, say, update it with FD suspension.

Nobuhiko? What other car matches the profile of the Altezza/IS300?... Mid-size, 3.0 liter inline six midsize performance sedan, hmm... E36 330i?

Come on, Shigeno. With the latest two cars, the new Roadster and the Evo VII, you keep using the same models just with newer updates. Dig up some original material, willya? It would make the show more interesting to watch.


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Also, I never really saw the 86 being an underdog to "high-tech" newer cars. More powerful, yes, but really, the only major trump cards played on Takumi that I've seen in terms of vehicle advancements have been the GT-Rs -leave alone the fact he only raced one-, and the lag-less twin-turbo setup of Keisuke's FD. The rest of the cars have in my honest opinion not that much of an advantage technology wise.

I'll even argue on the part of the EVO's, since their forebears - the Galant, and, further back to the 86's time, Starion - weren't much of a... backwards slide compared to modern cars. Anti-lag is a little bit more of a modern system, though.

From what I've seen, it's been more of simply matching one less capable car against one more capable car.

Posted by: fuji_tak Jun 13 2006, 03:50 AM
i think at the begining (first, second and maybe third stage) Shuichi Schigeno have a timeline in his story. But in the fourth stage with the apparition of S2000, GTR 34 and now lan-evo 7 the timeline has been broken. It's a good thing i think. Now the posibility to see more cars of our generation is biggest than never.

Posted by: Rudy Jun 13 2006, 10:32 AM
But that.... totally kills the point of what I'm saying. sleep.gif;

Posted by: extra_peter Jun 15 2006, 08:15 PM
Meaning they are making these shows about the future? I was also thinking when initial D took place.....I thought it was impossible for the r34 to come out in the 90s.....i thought it came out in the 2000s only....

Posted by: RedComet Sep 10 2014, 10:20 PM
I came across this thread while having this discussion with my fiancee, and figured there was a thread here on IDWF. And, guess what? I have an answer for you guys.

The anime timelline can be more or less pegged down. Why? Season 1 (First Stage), Episode 22, after Takumi gets challenged by Ryousuke for their first battle. This is one of the only times you EVER get a direct hint as to when it's supposed to take place.

The date of the battle is Saturday, 9/15. If it was in the mid 90s, 1996--like the manga--that would be impossible. 1996 was a leap year. Sept. 15th was a Friday in 1995 and a Sunday in 1996. The calendar in which they pinned the challenge note shows it as Sept. 15, Saturday.

The only year in the 1990s in which Sept. 15th falls on a Saturday is 1990. That obviously doesn't work. When is the next possible date, since 1996 was a leap year and the 15th fell on the day after? 2001.

If Ryousuke and Takumi first battled on Saturday, Sept. 15th, 2001, it all makes a good amount of sense. The V-Spec II Nur, the S2000, Zero's Z33 Fairlady Z, Nobuhiko's Altezza, etc. First stage was produced in 1998, so they probably animated it with a mild mix of both 1996 and 1998 tech, which gets stealthy updates over the course of second, third, and fourth + stages.

Posted by: Tessou Sep 10 2014, 10:32 PM
Look at the timestamps, jackass. Half of the members involved in this thread don't even post here anymore.

Posted by: Perry Sep 10 2014, 10:46 PM
Bravo, I gotta hand that to you, RedComet. I honestly did not notice that small detail about leap year and the Saturday 9/15 part. But one thing doesn't add up with the 2001 theory is that we clearly hear Takeshi refer 86 as a "10-year-old junk" I don't they made any more new AE86 in the 90s. It was only made in the 80s. So while I think the 2001 theory is interesting, it doesn't fit with the rest of the plot such as how smoking was a very cool thing to do in the 90s. That was real. It was like that in Asia. Then people stopped and realize smoking is bad. You probably notice they don't smoke anymore towards the end of the series. (Except Bunta of course)

Posted by: Tessou Sep 10 2014, 11:22 PM
The series was written at a glacial pace, and Shigeno put more current-era cars in the series to keep it interesting for the key shonen demographic. Trying to put a specific date on the series is pointless. It runs on Shigeno time in a fictional era.

The entirety of content spanning First through Third Stages happen in the space of about one year, since Takumi is in his last year at the beginning of the series, and graduates at the end of Third Stage. Ryosuke's race with Takumi cannot feasibly happen in 2001 if the series is stated to BEGIN in "199X", along with the fact that their race probably happened within a few weeks of Takumi's big victory against Keisuke.

Your key point in the date being shown in the anime is also rather weak since the animator probably just scribbled in any random date that would take place in late Summer or Autumn. Aligning it with an actual, real world date is hinging entirely on whether or not the animator meant it to be a concrete date and not just an offhand scribble. Either way, the date does not fit in with the grand scheme of things.

Posted by: RedComet Sep 10 2014, 11:29 PM
I think at the least, it's food for thought. I remember fondly the days where '19XX' or '20XX' where the standbys for dating events in anime and manga. But I thought it was just an interesting tidbit, if you wanted to try and look for clues. I'm not saying it's a concrete thing. The whole deal reminds me of how trying to find out when the Universal Century was supposed to have started, for the Gundam franchise, and it came down to a date on a newspaper in Zeta Gundam (oh boy).

In general though, I agree; trying to look for, or pin the timeline to a certain window kind of takes away some of the cool. It's more accurate to say it's supposed to take place in a corner of your nostalgia for those cars, and that scene in general.

I did look at the timestamps, Tessou. And I don't really care that it was an epic necropost. No need to get angry.

Posted by: Tessou Sep 10 2014, 11:43 PM
QUOTE (RedComet @ 13 minutes, 56 seconds ago)
And I don't really care that it was an epic necropost. No need to get angry.

You think that was me being angry?

Nah, I just sent a link to your post to Perry with the flavor text "the latest dumbassery". That's not anger, only pity. This is a topic that has been debated time and time again, just not in this thread. If it was a hot topic that really needed the attention, the thread would be updated more recently.

Except it's not. The answer was known all along.

Posted by: RedComet Sep 10 2014, 11:49 PM
QUOTE (Tessou @ 5 minutes, 50 seconds ago)
You think that was me being angry?

Nah, I just sent a link to your post to Perry with the flavor text "the latest dumbassery". That's not anger, only pity. This is a topic that has been debated time and time again, just not in this thread. If it was a hot topic that really needed the attention, the thread would be updated more recently.

Except it's not. The answer was known all along.

Wow, you're a real charmer man. I shudder to think what happens when there's a serious topic at hand.

Posted by: SVX Sep 11 2014, 01:09 AM
QUOTE (Tessou @ 1 hour, 26 minutes ago)
You think that was me being angry?

Nah, I just sent a link to your post to Perry with the flavor text "the latest dumbassery". That's not anger, only pity. This is a topic that has been debated time and time again, just not in this thread. If it was a hot topic that really needed the attention, the thread would be updated more recently.

Except it's not. The answer was known all along.


Would you rather him start a new topic then? Hah, probably not.

Also, nice work RedComet, I see where you're thinking. smile.gif

Posted by: Falbere Sep 11 2014, 02:41 AM
If internet forums had laws, one of the few unspoken, universal law that applies on almost all forums in the world, is not to dig up old threads. I would rather create a new thread to discuss about this.

Posted by: kyonpalm Sep 11 2014, 07:45 AM
QUOTE (Perry @ 8 hours, 49 minutes ago)
But one thing doesn't add up with the 2001 theory is that we clearly hear Takeshi refer 86 as a "10-year-old junk" I don't they made any more new AE86 in the 90s. It was only made in the 80s.

He didn't necessarily mean exactly 10-years-old, though. If it was 2001, the AE86 was between 10 and 20 years old, so calling something 10 years old would still be reasonably accurate since it was a little over 10 years old. Of course, I don't think the date was intentional, but it is neat how it does make everything fit almost perfectly. I don't think there's any car's existence that date wouldn't account for.

Regarding the thread bump, the guidelines include one definition of spamming as "Bumping / reviving old topics without any valid reason(s)". This thread wasn't just bumped for no reason, so please don't take it off-topic by complaining about post dates. And no further provocation between Tessou and RedComet, please.

Posted by: Tessou Sep 11 2014, 01:36 PM
Admin passes it over, regular mod picks it up. Back in my day there would be a massive fight over that kind of override.

Posted by: RedComet Sep 11 2014, 05:38 PM
QUOTE (kyonpalm @ 9 hours, 53 minutes ago)
He didn't necessarily mean exactly 10-years-old, though. If it was 2001, the AE86 was between 10 and 20 years old, so calling something 10 years old would still be reasonably accurate since it was a little over 10 years old. Of course, I don't think the date was intentional, but it is neat how it does make everything fit almost perfectly. I don't think there's any car's existence that date wouldn't account for.

Regarding the thread bump, the guidelines include one definition of spamming as "Bumping / reviving old topics without any valid reason(s)". This thread wasn't just bumped for no reason, so please don't take it off-topic by complaining about post dates. And no further provocation between Tessou and RedComet, please.

Roger.

Yeah, if you take a tentative date of 2001 at a grain of salt, things fit in. Like the marked absence of an R33 (until Kozou mentions he used to own one, but he's older, and wealthier) because most of these cars are owned by young dudes. Even Nakazato, who probably isn't even twenty-five, is still driving an R32. It makes sense then that someone like Iketani, who has only a low-rung service full-time job can just manage a lightly-used S13. Those would have been reasonable buys in the early 2000s when the S13 was at its rock bottom in price (same with Kenji's RPS13).

I know I've often called cars '30 years old' when they were in fact 20, or a 15 year old car a 10 year old car. As time goes by, you don't seem to notice it quite so accurately. biggrin.gif

Posted by: HyperSonic Sep 12 2014, 12:30 AM
I am not so sure if I will make any sense here. If redcomet is actually correct with the 2001 theory and Perry throws in the 10 year old piece of junk theory (no offense rolleyes.gif ). That would be a big contradiction, then Kyonpalm points out it doesn't have to be exactly ten years. Here in the Philippines we don't exactly know the dates when these cars come out of the market but we base the age of the car from its registration date. That info can be seen on the cars license plate. I don't how they do it in Japan, since unregistered vehicles are illegal in the street and since here we have to re-register the vehicles in a yearly period you can see how old is the vehicle by looking at the number of stickers and/or the oldest registration sticker found at the vehicles license plate. Although this method might be as accurate as needed you can always base on its written registration on that country's vehicle registration office.

Now going back in Japan, if they are doing the same (I am not sure facepalm.gif ) We can conclude that Redcomet and Perry can be true at the same time if the 86 has 10 stickers on its license plate or the date of its first registration falls down to 1991 (that is again if they have the same system in Japan facepalm.gif ).

But then again Kyonpalm might be right saying it doesn't have to be exactly 10 years. blink.gif

Posted by: Tessou Sep 12 2014, 01:23 AM
As I said earlier, this has been debated many times. The timeline takes place in a fantasy world where Shigeno can simply throw in whatever cars he wants to make things interesting.

If we factored IDAS into this, it would be entirely impossible to make the timeline work in any sort of realistic fashion, considering the GT86, GT-R and RX-8 alone.

Posted by: RedComet Sep 12 2014, 01:38 AM
QUOTE (Tessou @ 15 minutes, 21 seconds ago)
As I said earlier, this has been debated many times. The timeline takes place in a fantasy world where Shigeno can simply throw in whatever cars he wants to make things interesting.

If we factored IDAS into this, it would be entirely impossible to make the timeline work in any sort of realistic fashion, considering the GT86, GT-R and RX-8 alone.

You're totally on point about IDAS. No way to reconcile that. But, there are arguments for either or for the anime. All this really to be taken at a grain of salt. Personally I think the turn of the millennium era fits just fine. There are a couple of other hints here and there (Iketani suggesting Itsuki and Takumi would have been in elementary when the AE91 Corolla came out, for instance, which still leaves a window of time to play with). Or that Bunta's GC8 was already a few years (3-5) old by the time he bought it in Fourth Stage.

I can understand Shigeno not wanting to be bound by a concrete timeline (it's kind of a trivial subject to begin with, but fun to discuss anyways) so that like you said, he can work with a greater selection of cars.

Posted by: Falbere Sep 12 2014, 02:40 AM
The GC8 was bought to show Takumi the potential of "New Cars" so it must be new/slightly used, not 3-5 years old.

Posted by: RedComet Sep 12 2014, 04:00 AM
QUOTE (dummyinthecity @ 1 hour, 19 minutes ago)
The GC8 was bought to show Takumi the potential of "New Cars" so it must be new/slightly used, not 3-5 years old.

I'm pretty sure what Bunta meant was 'newer cars,' but he'd said to Takumi that he was getting a used car. To me, 3 years is still fairly new. That's three full model years, sure, but go on any Japanese car listing exchange--people don't put as many miles on their cars yearly, especially not performance cars, which is why you can still buy things like FDs with less than 100,000km (more often 60-80,000kms despite being 15+ years old. If it were supposed to be newer than that, it would probably have been a GD and not a GC8. By comparison to a AE86, even the GC8 is a modern marvel.

Posted by: Tessou Sep 12 2014, 11:07 AM
QUOTE (RedComet @ 9 hours, 28 minutes ago)
Personally I think the turn of the millennium era fits just fine.

Eh, considering that the manga started in 1995 and the newest cars featured were from the same era (FD being the big hint), I think the series starts in or around 1995. Being a series based on cars, Shigeno cannot possibly put it into the future without either coming up with fictional cars, or simply telling the real world calendar to take a hike. The latter is easier.

On a side note, Papa and his apparent riches bug me, considering his Benz 190E is at the latest a 1993 model in the manga. If he was some sort of muckety muck executive, he would have traded up for the newer model already. Or maybe he's spending too much money on his little girlfriend... tongue.gif

Posted by: SimplyRaka May 26 2015, 11:21 PM
Somehow, I think that Initial D has a "floating timeline" similar to that of The Simpsons.

Posted by: Rain197 May 27 2015, 11:47 AM
1st page of chapter 1 it said
"199X"

Posted by: Blues May 28 2015, 03:42 AM
It did but trying to place an actual year is pointless since many of the car featured in fourth stage create a huge time gap.

Posted by: GoP-Demon May 28 2015, 05:49 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_timeline

Posted by: kyonpalm May 28 2015, 03:56 PM
QUOTE (SimplyRaka @ Yesterday, 3:21 AM)
Somehow, I think that Initial D has a "floating timeline" similar to that of The Simpsons.

Spoiler alert: Mrs. Krabappel is Takumi's mom.

Posted by: The Sixth Element May 28 2015, 10:33 PM
The timeline of Initial D doesn't make any sense with the line of cars being sold at different times. Its better to not put pieces that don't even fit to each other.

Posted by: CaroFDoom Jun 24 2015, 03:01 PM
My two cents are that Project D takes place only a year after these events (First Stage), meaning that if we take the statement from Legend 1, this is 1997 at the latest, + 1 year until Project D means 1998 If the entirety of Project D takes place over a year, which it didn't as it winter didn't go through until after the series ended, it's mid- 1998 at the end of Final Stage.

Some cars that break the timeline are:
SPOILER

Edit 2: Placing list under spoiler tag because this is taking too much space.

Posted by: BOZZ Jun 24 2015, 08:57 PM
Heh, I think we can all agree that Initial D's timeline makes no sense after you add in that the second last opponent is driving a car that also came out in 2002.

Posted by: CaroFDoom Jun 24 2015, 09:29 PM
Did everyone watch 5 & Final Stage?
Second to last opponent was an NA1, which can fit the timeline.

Posted by: BOZZ Jun 24 2015, 09:40 PM
Ah my bad, been a while since I saw Fifth Stage, forgot that it was pre-facelift NSX.

Posted by: GoP-Demon Jun 25 2015, 04:22 AM
Well not exactly canon, but there was the GT86

Posted by: Falbere Jun 25 2015, 07:52 AM
Clearly, no more than 1 fuck was given about the timeline of cars.

Posted by: The Sixth Element Jun 30 2015, 10:42 PM
Initial D didn't care about a timeline. Its like asking Shigeru Miamoto to make a correct Legend of Zelda timeline (which still doesn't make any sense). I can make up Takumi battling against a GT86 or a MKVI Golf GTI

Posted by: CaroFDoom Jul 2 2015, 04:46 AM
That doesn't change the fact that we, the people still want our timeline.

Posted by: Blues Jul 2 2015, 09:10 AM
You can want it all you want but you'll be waiting forever.

Posted by: Taro Maki Jul 2 2015, 09:48 AM
Who says that all the things you've had seen in Intinal D happened in our Universe ?
Maybe Shūichi Shigeno created a Parallel Universe with an different timeline where all the events take place ?

Posted by: TodoRacingDC5 Jul 4 2015, 07:23 AM
You guys all seem to be forgetting that the Speed Stars each have a Flux capacitor installed in their cars. Time lines matter not due to their ability to time travel.

Posted by: Todeshornisse Jul 9 2015, 01:11 AM
QUOTE (GoP-Demon @ May 28 2015, 02:49 PM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_timeline

I think this answer covers it all.

Posted by: r35gtr Nov 23 2015, 10:11 PM
The time line is dedinitely screwed . Remember that stage1-stage 5 happened with in a year (corrext me if i am wrong) . Then at the end of stsge 5 takumi sees a new toyota 86 which came out in 2013 so what the hell? Unless as one of the members pointed out, takumi
And ryoske where driving old cars because it is their choice(or what their father owns)

On first stage Episode 2, Keisuke said that the ae86 is a 10 year old junker
On second Stage Episode 4, Seiji also refered to the ae86 as a 10 year old junker.

the ae86 is in produciton from 1983-1988. so let us assume that the race occured in 1998 right about when evo 4 came out.

here is the time line. any of you guys can correct me if I am wrong . I do not want to sound like a trekkie fighting over warp drives etc. etc,

summer 1998 stage 1 and stage 2 happened

Autumn and winter of 1998 , Stage 3 happened

then summer of the following year , project D happened.

they refer to the project as something that will only last a year right. then there are cars such as godfoots r34gtr which game out in 2002, then at the end of the 5th stage, the gt86 came out which was released on 2013.

so the timeline is really screwed. but floating timeline may explain most of it

Posted by: eightsixofakina Jul 27 2018, 06:49 PM
Sorry for commenting on an old thread, but Takumi's Eight-Six is a 1983 Sprinter Trueno if I'm not mistaken.
Nakazato and Seiji mention that it is a 10-year old car, so doesn't that make First, Second, and Third Stage take place in 1993? (yes, I know Nakazato's R32 is a 1994, but it could have come out that year as a 1994 model)
Assuming the above is true, I believe this makes the Project D arc take place in 1994.

But then again, Initial D's timeline makes no sense, given all the newer cars that have appeared were made after 1994.

Posted by: Racer4WD Jul 27 2018, 08:18 PM
For me,i really prefer to think that InitialD takes place in 2001-2002,due to cars on Fourth and Fifth Stage.
And again,not everyone would have an high budget to get an high-class sports car and many would prefer to have a certain old version of the car due to personal and technical motives.

Remember,Nakazato uses an R32 instead of a R34 because he did thought that changing his S13 to the car he got defeated,he would get more powerfull.

Also,the R32 is the most light of the GT- R's,but it has the 308HP stock engine versus the 332HP Engine from the R34.
Remember,GodFoot mentions that he drived an R32,R33 and the R34,so you wouldn't think that is strange that Nakazato never used an updated version of the GT-R?

Also about the technical part,there's lots of character cars who are inside the list:

-Kyoichi drive an EVO3 because it's the most powerful car from the First Generation of the LanEvo(Evo 1-3),also don't you think Kyoichi would have to install again from scratch the Misfiring System and the other parts if he bought a newer LanEvo,and again,you can see the EVO 5-7 on the last stages.
-Bunta's Impreza was the GC8F,made between 98-99,so why Bunta choose the GC if he could get an GD STI.
-Ryosuke's FC3S is last Version Mazda made of the FC(Infini 3),so he could bought it since it would be rare to find one,and he wouldn't never change his car,since as his says on the race between Takumi and Keisuke,"The monster isn't the car,instead it is the pilot".
-Keisuke and Kyoko drives the Series 6 FD,made between 92-95,so why both don't bought the series 7 FD,which was made on 98-02,and had much powerful engine than the series 6?
-Go-Hojo's NSX is the First Gen NSX-R,made 93-95,so why he didn't bought the NSX-R version.2,which used the C32B instead of the C30B?

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Posted by: Nomake Wan Jul 28 2018, 08:55 AM
QUOTE (Racer4WD @ Yesterday, 8:18 PM)
Also,the R32 is the most light of the GT- R's,but it has the 308HP stock engine versus the 332HP Engine from the R34.

As someone who works on a real GT-R, this sentence triggers me. The engines are the same (unless you get into actual special models, like Z-Tune or NISMO and such). The only difference between the two horsepower-wise is the base boost setting (R32 ~0.8 bar, R34 ~1.0 bar). Since this is done using only a solenoid in the engine bay and the engine computer's programming, it's utterly trivial to do the same thing on any RB26DETT.

Also I'm sure this thread has already said it, but the correct answer is Shigeno took too long to finish writing the story and kept including newer stuff as he wrote, ignoring the passing of time within the story. So the timeline for Initial D is utterly unrelated to real life and is in fact its own alternate universe version of the 90s where newer cars came out earlier.

Posted by: Racer4WD Jul 28 2018, 10:58 AM
Nomake Wan,sorry about the GT-R thing.
I thought the only thing who got updated on newer GT-R's were just Engine Parts.
I didn't thought GT-R had different Turbo Settings,Damn Genki TXRD games made me believe TwinTurbocharged Engines had 0.5 bar of pressure.
But again,R32 has 40kg lesser than R34,but i know you can decrease their weight.
But still,i believe InitialD took place in 2001-2002

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Posted by: Nomake Wan Jul 29 2018, 12:25 AM
QUOTE (Racer4WD @ Yesterday, 10:58 AM)
I thought the only thing who got updated on newer GT-R's were just Engine Parts.

You thought wrong, my dude. The engines actually changed the least between models. Each model had a unique interior and brought something different to the table (new rear subframes, active diffs, aero, updated ATTESA, etc etc etc). There were very large changes between the three Skyline GT-Rs in every department that wasn't the powertrain.

QUOTE (Racer4WD @ Yesterday, 10:58 AM)
I didn't thought GT-R had different Turbo Settings,Damn Genki TXRD games made me believe TwinTurbocharged Engines had 0.5 bar of pressure.

Yeah, no. If you remove the boost solenoid from the equation completely, the wastegate pressure for the RB26DETT is somewhere around 0.7 bar. The solenoid is programmed to increase that by a specific amount and allow the boost to build a little faster than it otherwise would. The design and settings for said solenoid are what changed the power outputs between models, not modifications to the engine itself.

Unless you mean you thought all twin-turbocharged engines in the world run 0.5 bar of boost pressure, which would be...silly. blink.gif

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