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Posted by: Rudy Jun 11 2015, 10:11 PM
So, it's been just shy of 13 years since Initial D World Forums came into existence in its current format. In this time period, a lot of changes have happened to this tiny little slice of the Internet. Some big, some small. Some great, some not so good. While which are what is debatable, one thing that has been certain is that when you're dealing with a bad person - or perhaps, someone who simply can't co-exist with the majority of the members here - your only option after repeated warnings is to drop the guillotine on them.

Sometimes, this has been met with great fanfare by team members and normals alike. At other times, it has lead to an entire fallout/backlash and cascaded down into a total crapstorm that left a bad taste in most peoples' mouths for months on end. Regardless of the situation, the actions carried out by the forum staff can not easily - if at all - be reversed.

Now, for an extremely long time, more often than not when once someone's been shown the door, their account had been stripped clean. Here's an example of what I mean:
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While the group title "banned" may be a giveaway to the observant, the signature line and lack of avatar eliminate all doubts in anyone's mind where exactly this person stands in regards to their welcome here - or lack thereof.

Now, lower-profile members will get a "final straw" ban and be silenced while the rest of their account remains intact every now and then. Here's an example of such a case:

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As you can see, nothing has changed other than the member group that person is in. There's a few reasons why I find just moving the member to "banned" is unfavorable, and I'm more than glad to break them down:

-It's potentially misleading. [mobile]
I know that most people view this forum through a web browser, but in current mobile skin, the only so much as "hint" that a regular may no longer be with us, sort to speak, comes down to their very own avatar. It's kind of a given at this point in the history of the forums that if you come here a lot, you likely have an icon of sorts to represent yourself.


-It's cluttering up threads. [desktop]
A quick glance reveals the top post easily takes up less on-screen real-estate. When scrolling through a thread, more posts able to fit on screen means less time spent reeling the scroll wheel, mashing the Pg Down button, or worse, dragging your finger up and down the screen.

-It looks lazy.
Yes, I said it. It takes all of 30 seconds to quickly ctrl+a del a handful of fields, click on a couple more things (user title, signature) and be done with it. Under the current forum hierarchy where hours if not days are spent deliberating the fate of a high profile, but highly controversial person, it gives the appearance of a complete and total lack of effort on behalf of the forum staff to completely clean up this mess of a user and eradicate them once and for all from this message board.

-It's electronic blight.
Whether the visual imagery or quotes harken others back to a "better" time, or the image or text just reeks of the discord this person wreaked as they racked up their strikes, these are things that us as members are stuck looking at for the rest of our forum tenure. It gets old.

-It's disrespectful of that members' privacy.
Okay, not everyone here fills in their contact cards, but some of the people who do - and then get banned - don't have the luxury of being able to clear their contact cards out - such as Hotmail/Skype contacts or AIM addresses - sometimes even their own mugshot, which can be Google reverse-image-searched. I believe it is a rule of good morals to do that for them. They no longer have anything to do with these forums, and odds are, https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=47786&view=findpost&p=1317507 even the "legends" really just want to put this place behind them - yes, sometimes including everyone here. Odds are more likely than not the people who need their contact info already has it before the banning.

-It's against tradition.
Okay, this one is highly debatable since it was never officially written into the rules and regulations of the staff - to the best of my knowledge at least - but it has sort of been an unwritten law throughout the years to go ahead and leave the simple phrase, "This account has been suspended indefinitely. -The Moderating Team" throughout the years but it's also part of the legacy of these forums and part of what makes us different from every other forum out there - because, from all the places I've been, I've never seen this professional handling of exodus carried out anywhere else. And dammit, that's something to be proud of - and hold on to.


Well, I hope I made a case for this. I would like some honest answers here from members and staff people alike on whether or not to actually make this the case moving forward, and perhaps even https://idforums.net/index.php?showuser=3276





I know something this trivial in process probably doesn't matter all that much to you, but it means a lot to me and I'm hoping I'm not the only person - staff or otherwise - in this camp to feel this way, or any or all of the reasons listed above. If you feel it should or should not be policy moving forward, I welcome your feedback.



Please vote and voice your opinion!

Posted by: Tessou Jun 12 2015, 03:15 AM
In other words, you're asking us to clear out WRX Demon's account again or face the indecency of being called lazy for simply moving on.

Posted by: Kiroshino Jun 12 2015, 05:30 AM
I don't mind doing the work if a review of banned accounts is decided by the admins, but I don't see much of a point. The best argument I can make is to delete both the signature and avatar so that, for whatever reason you're reading an old thread page, the page loads just a little faster since there would be less content to download. Even that isn't a very compelling argument since it won't actually affect the vast majority of the traffic this site receives. Also, you can limit content in your Board Settings and change your Skin to make it as minimalistic as you want for faster load times.

Posted by: kyonpalm Jun 12 2015, 06:33 AM
Holy shit.

Posted by: Rudy Jun 12 2015, 08:00 AM
QUOTE (Tessou @ 4 hours, 44 minutes ago)
In other words, you're asking us to clear out WRX Demon's account again or face the indecency of being called lazy for simply moving on.

You weren't satisfied with my original input so I spent a good 3-4 days figuring out for myself why it didn't feel right.

I'm not calling anyone lazy, I'm just attempting to outline the message that just locking the account down sends. At the very minimum, I'm asking for personal info/photo to be deleted.

If I was a mod I'd simply take the responsibility of doing this all myself instead of asking someone else to do it.

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Posted by: Hannah Jun 12 2015, 08:18 AM
I too think it's clutter, as well as all the members who have long since abandoned this forum.
I.E.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO 1 ACTIVE MEMBER AND 2093479238 INACTIVE MEMBERS! YAY!
Clutter. Also, sometimes I like to start birthday threads, and 9/10 times I check the members profile, it's just like looking for a butterfly and finding an empty husk; disappointing, only for the fact that said user hasn't been online in 3+ years.
UGH
SO MUCH CLUTTER
MAKE IT STAHP

So please can we clear out ancient relics [inactive members] and long-since banned members? I'd say, anyone who's been banned over 6 months ago? This place is like an episode of Hoarders. :/

Posted by: Rudy Jun 12 2015, 08:21 AM
QUOTE (Tessou @ 5 hours, 5 minutes ago)
In other words, you're asking us to clear out WRX Demon's account again or face the indecency of being called lazy for simply moving on.

And on the subject of moving on, I'd like to argue that not wiping member accounts - and I mean EVERYONE who's banned, mind you - is the exact opposite of moving on. It's akin to leaving pictures of an ex lover around the house, instead of cleansing your memory of him/her completely.

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Posted by: Tessou Jun 12 2015, 09:34 AM
If you were a moderator, you wouldn't be able to get away with clearing an account because of "responsibility". Personally identifiable information that exists on an account is there because the member felt comfortable having it there. Being banned doesn't change that.

Load times for the site are not affected because of avatar and sig size limits. Removing would have an imperceptible effect on the time it takes to load a page.

If seeing a banned member's post bothers you that much, put them on an ignore list.

EDIT: Changed "inconceivable" to "imperceptible" due to incorrect definition of the first term.

Posted by: Möbius Jun 12 2015, 12:45 PM
He's in the banned group, right?

That's about all that's necessary.

( Voted null )

Posted by: Nomake Wan Jun 12 2015, 02:58 PM
Voted yes just to force the new guard to actually do some work. troll.gif

Posted by: Tessou Jun 12 2015, 03:02 PM
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Posted by: Shirogane Jun 12 2015, 03:52 PM
I don't really see why this is such a big deal, really. Voted no.

Posted by: APX Jun 12 2015, 09:42 PM
QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 6 hours, 44 minutes ago)
Voted yes just to force the new guard to actually do some work. troll.gif

You bad man you. troll.gif

Posted by: Cecilia Jun 12 2015, 10:40 PM
Ugh. This is not a damn democracy. I refuse to vote on something that is completely up to the moderators. I think if a banned member requests it, fine.

Otherwise, stop the childish foot stamping about things that don't matter.

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Posted by: Tessou Jun 12 2015, 11:05 PM
True, it's not a democracy. However, we are obligated as staff to address member grievances as they happen. Polls are a great way to gather data on forum trends, and while they typically don't end with a guarantee of things happening, they can influence the direction of the forum in the long run.

I'd like to add that when traditionally banning a member via the warn panel, the mod or admin performing the action is not presented with special options to wipe the account. The system just treats it as another warning, and automatically shifts them into the banned group. Warnings are not handled via editing a member's account.

Posted by: Rudy Jun 13 2015, 05:57 AM
QUOTE (Tessou @ 6 hours, 51 minutes ago)
1: True, it's not a democracy. However, we are obligated as staff to address member grievances as they happen. Polls are a great way to gather data on forum trends, and while they typically don't end with a guarantee of things happening, they can influence the direction of the forum in the long run.


2: I'd like to add that when traditionally banning a member via the warn panel, the mod or admin performing the action is not presented with special options to wipe the account. The system just treats it as another warning, and automatically shifts them into the banned group. Warnings are not handled via editing a member's account.

1: Exactly. I'm not trying to tell anybody here what to do, merely gather feedback and have it readily accessable to staffers for consideration.

2: What about editing their account pre -ban? I mean sure you'd have to be quick about it, but it could be done.

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Posted by: Sensation! Jun 13 2015, 04:09 PM
Can we have Rudy be mod for just one week? please?

Posted by: Tessou Jun 13 2015, 05:18 PM
Is there any specific reason why you want that, or is it just a rhetorical post?

Posted by: Sensation! Jun 13 2015, 05:32 PM
He's been going on about being a mod yeah?
Give him a week long sample. He'll either do the job right or fall flat. We'll either be impressed or we'll snicker at him.

He wants a taste, give it to him. Who knows, he might stop bringing it up in the future. Take it how you will, your call to make.

Posted by: Tessou Jun 13 2015, 05:36 PM
He was one of the four finalists in our moderator search a few weeks ago, actually. The suggestion of a "probationary" mod-hood was discussed.

Posted by: Sensation! Jun 13 2015, 05:41 PM
QUOTE (Tessou @ 5 minutes, 4 seconds ago)
He was one of the four finalists in our moderator search a few weeks ago, actually.

There we go. Question answered.

See, at least you were considered Rudy. Better luck next shuffle.


EDIT: On topic, I voted no. Who cares. I wanna laugh at the banned members anyway and remember the good times. In example, wrxdemons weeb as fuck moonrunes signature and his contrary LOL YOU'RE A BIG WEEB AND IM NOT HAHAHA dissociative attitude. What a classic. Its like the people in online games with thousands of hours played who go LOL NERD GET A LIFE when you wreck their shit.

Posted by: Rudy Jun 13 2015, 05:44 PM
I was kept up to speed through the events. Truth be told, half the forum staff believes me and the other half think I'm going to relapse into a lunatic street-racing non-green-text-reading vigilante crackpipe weeaboo.

I'll simply stay the course and continue to give them more and reasons not to believe that.

As for being "region locked"... still working on that one. RUD-1989's are extremely hard brains to crack.

Posted by: Saint Jun 13 2015, 06:11 PM
Personally, I find banned members' posts that got them banned amusing. Cleaning up their avatars and signatures would mean less joy in reading their banning posts. :3 Banned member group should suffice.

Posted by: Kiroshino Jun 14 2015, 07:11 PM
QUOTE (Tessou @ Yesterday, 8:36 PM)
He was one of the four finalists in our moderator search a few weeks ago, actually. The suggestion of a "probationary" mod-hood was discussed.

Ignoring #3 for a moment...

Would you consider "probationary" mod-hood for Rudy if I were to voluntarily step down for the duration? He's more active than I am on IDW and has a much greater interest in being a mod. If it doesn't work out, I'll resume the position. If it does, he can keep it.

Posted by: Rudy Jun 14 2015, 07:21 PM
While I appreciate your concern, I don't want this thread to steer into that direction. It would be disrespectful to other staffers.

The skeptical staff members have their reasons for not believing in me, and their reasons are justified. Just look at my warn log. If it is a concern, I welcome a discussion thread in the mod forums about the situation. I don't want any free rides. I want to earn my way into modhood.

Posted by: Kiroshino Jun 14 2015, 07:43 PM
Fair enough. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

I'll reserve my opinion should such a thread be created.

Posted by: Rudy Jun 17 2015, 10:25 AM
I just want to put it out there that Perry is in favor of the tradition he started. Make of what what you will.

Posted by: kyonpalm Jun 17 2015, 01:47 PM
QUOTE (Rudy @ 3 hours, 22 minutes ago)
I just want to put it out there that Perry is in favor of the tradition he started. Make of what what you will.

I already knew that.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Jun 17 2015, 03:07 PM
QUOTE (Rudy @ 4 hours, 42 minutes ago)
I just want to put it out there that Perry is in favor of the tradition he started. Make of what what you will.

Pretty sure the staff would know what Perry is in favor of. Since, you know...they're the staff.

Posted by: Tessou Jun 17 2015, 03:28 PM
"My dad can beat up your dad."

So?

Posted by: Rudy Jun 17 2015, 03:41 PM
QUOTE (Tessou @ 12 minutes, 44 seconds ago)
"My dad can beat up your dad."

Uh... what?

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Posted by: Tessou Jun 17 2015, 06:16 PM
Perry doesn't call the shots anymore, amigo. Whether or not he thinks it's better to follow tradition is non-influential.

Posted by: Falbere Jun 17 2015, 07:54 PM
QUOTE (Tessou @ 1 hour, 38 minutes ago)
Perry doesn't call the shots anymore, amigo. Whether or not he thinks it's better to follow tradition is non-influential.

Hello hitler bye1.gif

I wouldn't say he is 100% non-influential. You are here for the longest times, so he probably influenced you anyway.

Posted by: Kiroshino Jun 17 2015, 08:12 PM
Well, he's no Putin... or so I hope. Don't kill me.


Posted by: Tessou Jun 17 2015, 08:56 PM
If he wanted it a certain way, he would tell me. Plain and simple. He didn't. Rudy asked him a question and got an answer. It goes no further than that in terms of purpose or weight.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Jun 17 2015, 08:57 PM
QUOTE (Falbere @ 1 hour, 1 minutes ago)
Hello hitler  bye1.gif


QUOTE (Kiroshino @ 44 minutes, 6 seconds ago)
Well, he's no Putin... or so I hope. Don't kill me.

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I SPIT HOT BORSCHT WHILE I'M DROPPING THESE BEATS
BLOW IT UP LIKE A TUBA
WHILE I'M BALLIN IN CUBA
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Posted by: Rudy Jun 20 2015, 12:50 PM
Well, I was never expecting the opinion to be so evenly split among members. 16 is roughly the number of truly active posters here, who knew it'd end up 50/50?

Hopefully this thread provided some useful feedback on which direction the board goes concerning this.

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