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| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 8 2016, 07:16 AM | ||
Remember how we don't like to talk about politics on IDW? We're gonna talk about politics on IDW. Today is the day, folks. Will you be smashing the system or endorsing it?
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| Posted by: Saint Nov 8 2016, 08:37 AM |
| I'd vote The Douchebag. I honestly thought Obama sucked. That's when pc started to go full cancer, afaik. Another 4 years of mini Obama will not just doom US, but also the rest of the world. |
| Posted by: RalliKai Nov 8 2016, 08:54 AM |
A friend of mine who fell into the SJW/Tumblr snowflake world went off on me for just pointing out Hillary's flaws and basically likened anyone who supported Trump to criminals and supporters of rape culture. Yeah, this election has brought out the best in everyone.  As for me, will be voting for Trump. Not exactly a fan of him personally but Hillary has come to represent the worst of establishment politics and is probably the most corrupted politician to run for this office since tricky Dick. The DNC was planning to hand this to her as far back as 2008 if not earlier. Not even including her foreign policy record. |
| Posted by: Saint Nov 8 2016, 09:04 AM |
| They call Trump supporters not only as 'deplorables', but also 'racists', 'bigots', 'rapists', 'homophobics', etc anything that ends with -phobic or -ist. It's ironic that the SJWs insult and degrade others who don't agree with them. As Steven Crowder said, "You're not fighting for free speech. You're fighting for the right to be a pussy and not hear opinions you don't like." |
| Posted by: xiao Nov 8 2016, 09:11 AM | ||||
I thought you were Canadian Ralli don't cha know eh!  ★Welp I already did my part MaGa FoR ThE LaVa LaMp  →
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| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 8 2016, 09:59 AM |
| I'm thinking of voting turd sandwich this year. The giant douche just isn't doing it for me. |
| Posted by: RalliKai Nov 8 2016, 11:53 AM |
 When you reflect back on the 2000 election and think "Those were the days." |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 8 2016, 12:04 PM | ||
Yeah I really miss the election between the tree-hugging fruitcake and the mentally bankrupt daddy's boy. Those sure were the good days, way easier decision than the establishment-backed croney vs. the successful outsider businessman. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 8 2016, 12:10 PM |
| That heavily, heavily, heavily depends on how you define 'successful'. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 8 2016, 12:24 PM | ||
You're gonna look at what he started with, compare it to where he is now, and tell me about defining "successful"? |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 8 2016, 12:40 PM | ||
Yes, I can. http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/ If you use the estimate of $40 million from 1974, he'd have made roughly 4 billion, beating his net worth by at least a billion dollars. With $200 million in 1982, he'd have roughly 8 billion dollars, beating his net worth by almost a factor of three. And that's literally sit-on-your-ass-and-let-the-market-work. Zero effort on his part past putting the money in. Instead, he put in work, and his work did not result in higher-than-index performance for the same amount of input. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: RalliKai Nov 8 2016, 01:12 PM |
| The 2000 reference was to make light of the difference in civility surrounding that election and those before it or maybe that's just the difference in how fast information is sent and the ADD mentality today around technology. Also, just for lulz.  |
| Posted by: xiao Nov 8 2016, 01:42 PM | ||
wait wait... who's supposed to be Robo-Hitler & who's gonna chew bubble gum & kick ass while The Rock™ goes crazy-train on Karl Urban in Mars after the God_Mode cheat...?  Edit: I would've totally voted for John Cena if he'd ran for prez ~  https://youtube.com/watch?v=MX0D4oZwCsA Image size reduced, original size: 2688 x 1520. http://imgur.com/dyuCtJR.jpg to view the image in its original dimension. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 8 2016, 02:09 PM | ||||
You're assuming he started in 1974 with $40 million magically in his pocket and not whatever-he-had plus his father's loan of $1 million in ~1968. Kinda skipping over a lot of, what's that word, success on the way to that point. Even if I entertain that idea, frankly the bare fact that he put his money to work in the market for him is smart. And regardless of how much he worked to keep his fortune or how smart he was in doing it, the fact that he maintained his fortune is a marker of success to begin with. People come into large amounts of money all the time, do stupid shit with it and blow it all. Do we have as much money as he does? I don't think so. Even if you, for some reason, don't count money as a marker of success, then go ahead and look at his real estate empire. Look at all the shit he's built around the world. I don't care how many people's jimmies he's rustled or how many lawsuits he's had, that's all low-blow shit and irrelevant.
Oh yeah, totally. We've never been as divided sociopolitically as we have been this time around. It's really ugly. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 8 2016, 04:46 PM |
| The reason for the 1974 number, kyonpalm, is because that's the year his father's company was turned over to his children to be split evenly. It was valued at $200 million. As one of 5 children, that meant he would've had $40 million. This is research you can do just as well as I did, you simply chose not to. It's still money that was handed to him rather than being valued-added by him, which is why it's relevant to the discussion of investing in an index fund. As for maintenance of his fortune, it's hard to say. I used the rough estimate of his wealth that Forbes and others have put out, but unlike Hillary we don't actually know wha he's worth because even now, on Election Day, he hasn't released his tax documentation. Nor will he if elected, nor will he if not elected. He doesn't want anyone to know, period. That alone tells me he's not as big as his mouth claims he is. As for his empire, you can sweep litigation under the rug all you want, but litigation is the primary tool with which he has earned dosh. He's been sued plenty for all the skeezy business practices, but he's sued others even more. That guy treats being a plaintiff as a job. And, finally, using the "you don't have as much money as he does so your opinion is irrelevant" move is ignorant. Neither do you, yet our collective wealth does not somehow keep us from using critical thinking skills and doing research. Nor does the wealth disparity somehow mean that he's successful and we aren't. He came into a lot of money we didn't. If we came into his money, it would be interesting to see who would be 'better' but of course that's all hypothetical. So, since we can't literally come into his money, we can run his money through calculations to see if he did better than the market on its own. He didn't. So at that point, since he didn't earn as much as the average, did his material assets outweigh the loss he experienced? Perhaps. But perhaps the several lawsuits and debris field of failed ventures would argue otherwise. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: RalliKai Nov 8 2016, 09:12 PM |
| So apparently if Trump wins this, Barbra Streisand, Whoopi Goldberg, Miley Cyrus, Amy Schumer, Cher,George Stephanopoulos, and Al Sharpton say they're going to leave the country. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 8 2016, 09:22 PM | ||
The country will be better for it. |
| Posted by: xiao Nov 8 2016, 10:32 PM | ||||||
~ I liked her better when she was autotuned ~ ♫
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| Posted by: RalliKai Nov 8 2016, 10:43 PM |
| PA called for Trump. It's basically over. So much salt on Twitter.  |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 8 2016, 11:20 PM | ||
All the lib tears on my normiebook are priceless. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 8 2016, 11:55 PM | ||
I'd say he's pretty successful now. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 9 2016, 12:33 AM |
| I am satisfied. My votes ate shit at a state level. Incumbent senators are REALLY difficult to unseat. Nationally, I was part of Iowa moving into the red and handing it to Trump. I don't like him. He's made mistakes and he will continue making them. However, my burning hatred for Hillary could not allow me to vote on her experience nor her proposed policies. That's all I will say on the subject. Great thread. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 9 2016, 12:35 AM | ||
You helped create what we can only hope will be the biggest system breaker in recent history. Good work. |
| Posted by: xiao Nov 9 2016, 12:58 AM | ||
I would've voted ✓ Trump if  Being a Ck gap.com model isn't easy being cheezy my nuggaz~  ♡
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| Posted by: Saint Nov 9 2016, 02:36 AM |
| Oh man, mah nigga won. Gonna stay tuned for the next few days on YouTube to see burthurt libtards crying in their safe space. :3 It'll be hilarious! |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 9 2016, 06:56 AM | ||
And I truly, honestly hope it works out for you. |
| Posted by: APX Nov 9 2016, 07:01 AM |
And now we're the well oiled up and loose asshole of the world now. Come get us big boys!  |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 9 2016, 07:27 AM | ||||
A handful of hours into Trump being the president-elect, relations with Russia and Britain have improved automatically. I have hope. ;^)
lol |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 9 2016, 07:35 AM |
| And as for me, one of his campaign promises was killing my health insurance, so that's pretty great right off the bat. Plus that whole FADA pro-discrimination bill, which is also pretty great. I don't have nearly the same level of hope you do, but perhaps you aren't affected by any of those changes, in which case...well, like I said, I honestly hope it works out for you. |
| Posted by: xiao Nov 9 2016, 08:33 AM | ||
★ Well it was a cool movie while it lasted ~ cast your votes for next election in 20/20 cause I'm voting for Kanye Westsssaiiiiid! (and so should YOU!) → ↓ ← ↑ → ↓
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| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 9 2016, 10:17 AM |
| Ron Perlman is running against Yeezy, though, so fuck Yeezy. Then again, if Ben Shapiro runs, I'll probably vote for him instead. |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 9 2016, 10:46 AM | ||
Fuck Affordable Care Act. $1200 a month for a bronze plan with a $5500 deductible is not affordable. |
| Posted by: RalliKai Nov 9 2016, 11:09 AM |
| Premiums here in PA to spike by as much as 60% in 2017. I can't afford the ACA premiums now. Sure as hell can't afford it next year. |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 9 2016, 11:27 AM |
| I never bought into it. I've been eating the IRS penalty every year since ACA passed, except in the years when I was in the USAF since I was under automatic federal health coverage. Last time I calculated the predicted rates for next year, we'd be paying $740 each per month for an incredibly shitty plan. Fuck that. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 9 2016, 12:34 PM | ||||
Yeah, my better half has been pretty fucked as a result of it too. |
| Posted by: teknoman Nov 9 2016, 01:23 PM | ||
Actually, Howard Stern and the rest of the gang was commenting on Donald Trump winning the Election. check this out
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| Posted by: xiao Nov 9 2016, 01:28 PM | ||
 ~ Although if my plucky BF Ben Afflac the Batman runs for prez I will yield my children to that man! |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 10 2016, 09:08 AM |
| I don't get it. I guess I don't get it because I'm below the poverty line and that changes something? If my premiums were $1200 I wouldn't have health insurance, because even when I was working two jobs I was probably only just barely making that much per month. I definitely don't pay that, and I'm definitely covered, and that definitely only happened after ACA passed. I see there's a very different side to it for some people, and that's rather eye-opening. From my end, it's done nothing but keep me out of bankruptcy proceedings. |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 10 2016, 11:12 AM |
| It takes two jobs to make "barely" $1200/mo? What economy are you living in? |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 10 2016, 11:23 AM | ||
I can only assume he means $1200 after taxes and all bills/living expenses, but even then, for two jobs that seems strangely low. Calicucks must have it real bad. |
| Posted by: 207 Nov 10 2016, 01:45 PM | ||
to be honest, id have rather seen Hillary serve for 4 years and get bumped out by better candidates in 2020. she's not the most trust worthy but she's not an insane kook like trump. heck, if trump manages to impeach himself before his 4 year term ends then all the better for him. its funny that he was a fan of the song "you cant always get what you want". now im off to watch the delayed South Park se20 e7 on YT and enjoy the chaos. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 10 2016, 02:38 PM | ||||
After taxes, yes. As for what economy, it was the one that wouldn't net me full-time work, so I had to pull one part-time job while also doing unreliable contract work that paid a lot better but had more wild and unpredictable hours. That's kind of why I decided to finish my degrees, so that maybe then McDonalds would hire me full-time or something. It's pretty shit, don't move out here. |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 10 2016, 03:04 PM |
| Gotcha. I thought you were talking about gross instead of net for some reason. Me, I make roughly 3 grand per month, net, on a "bad" month where I'm not getting 40 hours every week. They want me to pay nearly half of my wages on fucking health care that I never use because I don't treat my body like a sewer. My old plan when I was working at my previous job gave me more benefits than Obamacare's bronze package, for $225 per month, as the company was footing a portion of it for me. My current company can't do that with their revenue this year, but it's in the works. As soon as it's available I'm springing for it. If Trump kills ACA, more power to us to make our own fucking decisions. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 10 2016, 04:43 PM |
| During Bush's administration, I took myself to the ER for the first time in my life over abdominal pain that I worried might be appendicitis as I had never had it removed. They did some diagnostic tests, ruled out appendicitis, then gave me painkillers and told me to wait and see what happened. The problem resolved itself after two days of rest at home. They then sent a $11,000 bill. My work paid about half of that, leaving me to pay over $5,000 out-of-pocket. I had maybe made that much money (after tax) since I had started working a year prior, but that would be if I hadn't spent any of it, which of course is insane. I was going to end up being bankrupt at age 21. Thankfully there was a loophole in California related to MediCal about being under age 21 under a certain income level, because I was admitted to the hospital roughly a week before my 21st birthday. In the end, I didn't have to go bankrupt. Had I been admitted two weeks later, I would have been. That was 2007. Since then, I have been to the hospital three times. One ended up being innocuous, the other two correctly diagnosed and treated bacterial infections. With those three, total cost out-of-pocket was the cost of antibiotics, so about $25. All that is the ACA. So, if you're telling me that he's repealing the ACA and going back to how it was under Dubya, hopefully this illustrates in detail why I might have something against that. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: RalliKai Nov 10 2016, 06:36 PM |
| I've been very fortunate healthwise. Aside from the normal dental checkups, I've never even had a visit an ER in my life. I try to help out though by not treating my body like crap either. When Obamacare premiums started climbing, I gave them the finger and chose to pay the penalty. I'm seeing so many left-leaning friends guilting anyone who voted for Trump by stating essentially you voted to take healthcare away from millions. My old healthcare was already taken away by the current system however and I don't think "tweaking" it is going to make it affordable all of sudden. It's just too broken. Sidenote, cost of living near Pittsburgh isn't cheap but I don't want to think about CoL in Cali or surrounding D.C. |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Nov 10 2016, 07:32 PM |
| So after the shock and 5 stages of grief wore off, I realized there were actually a few wins On Election day in America. Pot legal in 4 out of 5 states' referendums? Victory. Nebraska restores the death penalty, California speeds up their tremendously slow death penalty system. Nice. But that's peanuts compared to Maine, who now does SINGLE TRANSFERRABLE VOTE/RANKED CHOICE VOTING. That is definitely something to get hype about since it essentially eliminates the spoiler effect. Also, Trump sitting down with Obama and essentially going "Okay, I have no idea what I'm doing. Teach me, Mr. Myagi." in what was supposed to be a quick tour of the white house. Also, it looks like he ain't going to go all Gestapo on clinton anymore... for now, at least. That doesn't mean for one second that I have any intention of going "okay, maybe it won't be so bad, time to go back to not caring or doing anything." Gotta stay woke, be vigilant and push for that 28th amendmant. Otherwise, we'll end up with something way worse than Trump in 2020 or 24. |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Nov 10 2016, 07:47 PM | ||
Seconded and thirded with Hannah. I hope it works out for all of us. It's hilarious how the mainstream media predicted a blowout in Hillary's favor. Whoops. Only person who came close to predicting it was Kyle Kulinski, and even he was like 'she's going to barely squeak by with 279' Then PA was called. Yeah. |
| Posted by: xiao Nov 10 2016, 07:55 PM | ||
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| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 10 2016, 08:54 PM | ||
To be honest, I'd have rather seen Hillary serve time in jail and been replaced by an actually-good Democrat nominee (whoops, that doesn't exist). At least there's still hope for the former bit. |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 10 2016, 09:42 PM | ||
I don't know if he'll kill ACA. I do know that he recognizes some severe problems with it and may simpky take measures to make it actually affordable for everyone instead of just one group. I'm happy to see it simply tweaked. |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Nov 10 2016, 09:45 PM |
| He'll probably make a few minor revisions, dub it "Trumpcare" and then proudly declare he repealed and replaced Obamacare. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 10 2016, 10:01 PM | ||
He has claimed repeatedly that he wants to completely repeal and replace the plan, but hyperbole and overzealous rhetoric has been a hallmark of his campaign (see Scott Adams' theories on Trump's persuasive ability) so who knows. |
| Posted by: xiao Nov 10 2016, 10:37 PM |
| *smurf* !! |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 10 2016, 11:40 PM |
| Exactly. He stood with the GOP ideal for the nomination but his own policy is known only by him and his staff. I hope he finds a consensus that works for the people. |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 11 2016, 04:35 AM | ||
Got any other settings on that spin cycle? That's not at all what Trump suggested at the WH meeting. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 11 2016, 06:35 AM | ||
And that's a good thing because...? |
| Posted by: RalliKai Nov 11 2016, 08:36 AM |
| Like alot of different polices, I think we'll have to wait and see. Also, the hysteria on display on the left and even acts of violence and threats over the results of a fair democratic election really does their cause well. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 11 2016, 09:25 AM | ||||||
Yeah man, fuck whitey, amirite?
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| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 11 2016, 10:17 AM | ||||
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2009/racist-backlash-greets-president-barack-obama http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Election-Night-Bashers-Sentenced-in-Federal-Hate-Case-58619537.html http://www.civilrights.org/publications/hatecrimes/african-americans.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2209719/Pictured-The-beautiful-family-slain-hours-church-mentally-ill-father-tormented-prospect-Obama-winning-election.html http://newsone.com/2081275/holly-solomon-arizona/ http://newsone.com/2082259/henry-hamilton-florida/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/university-mississippi-students-riot-obama-election_n_2088176.html See? I can post anecdotes too. Totes agree that this is the wrong response to an election result no matter which way it goes, though, and especially chuckle at the responses from far-left individuals who supposedly support 'peace and understanding' then do things like suggest the DNC be sent to Gitmo or that Trump's supporters should become an hero or whatever. What I wouldn't give to crack a peek at the riots in the universe where Hillary won, though. |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 11 2016, 10:34 AM |
I just got an email from DemandProgress asking me to sign a petition abolishing the electoral college. Gee, I wonder why I could possibly get this email.  This shit just won't end.Cecilia was talking to me about a hashtag that was gaining steam called "#fuckwhitewomen", aimed at white female Trump supporters. Interesting, considering these people are mad that a white woman wasn't elected. She's somewhat upset about this. Cecilia is obviously a woman, and she doesn't understand why women are acting this way. |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 11 2016, 10:38 AM |
| Did you read the rest of that post? Methinks the remaining supply of Obama's hopeium is going around as the denial rallies continue to justify our law enforcement's paychecks. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 11 2016, 10:58 AM | ||
The ones that wouldn't exist? Yeah I'd like to see someone write that HuffPo article too. |
| Posted by: xiao Nov 11 2016, 11:03 AM |
| > Those two vid's Kyon posted... - aaand that's why I run red-lights in those types of 'hoods.  - welp that violent teen's going to juvi ~ maybe that'll teach her never to raise a fist agains another human-being. In other news, http://urbandictionary.com is a mess right now ~ they changed their site-motif to a greyscale theme ~ it's kind'a sad that kiddo's are making a hooligan footie-match outta all of this. I'd be more excited if the Russians ♥ launched a nuke at the heart of Texas than an boring election. |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 11 2016, 11:13 AM |
| But that would kill you, Xiao, and I couldn't live with myself if that happened. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 11 2016, 11:13 AM | ||
Says the guy with the Steins;Gate avatar. Top quality ironic shitposting. EDIT: Nah Tessou, a nuke at the heart of Texas wouldn't hurt Xiao. He's on the extreme left end of the state.  [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 11 2016, 11:16 AM | ||
This is some A-grade deflection. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 11 2016, 11:20 AM | ||||||
I didn't want to have an aneurysm, but...
Can't call you an idiot for this, but I'll go on record saying I disagree.
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| Posted by: xiao Nov 11 2016, 11:23 AM | ||||||
I can deflect communists missiles with my bare man-tits like Tony Stark bruv'va!
Stop divulging my secrets dammit~!!! ☆彡 ~ yeah I'm practically in New Mexico / Old Mexico
It needs to be my Ritsu with that hat |
| Posted by: Perry Nov 11 2016, 11:24 AM | ||
I activated idforums' patented MultidimensionQUOTE feature and retrieved the quote above. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 11 2016, 11:27 AM | ||||
Yes, because I totally didn't say anything about a parallel universe, and that clearly is completely irrelevant to Steins;Gate.
See? Perry gets it. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 11 2016, 11:29 AM | ||
Disagree fundamentally with the concept of the death penalty, or disagree that California voted to keep the death penalty and make it simpler to proceed expediently, or disagree that Nebraska voted to bring back the death penalty? |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 11 2016, 11:29 AM | ||
I'll concede that point. A 100MT bomb could probably waste the entire state, but such a thing does not exist in the unclassified world. That and Xiao can apparently deflect them with his tits, so there's that. EDIT: Moved election posts from random thoughts into this thread. It looks a little wonky but there's nothing I can do about chronological order. |
| Posted by: xiao Nov 11 2016, 11:45 AM | ||||
~ だが、男だ。。。
I kind'a wanna grow a goatee now ~ imagine how handsomely devilish xiao-kun would look as Lucifer ~  https://youtube.com/watch?v=CHVhwcOg6y8 Image size reduced, original size: 2688 x 1520. http://imgur.com/FeMGTfs.jpg to view the image in its original dimension. ☆ y'all can call me Lucy from now on ~ |
| Posted by: RalliKai Nov 11 2016, 12:57 PM | ||||
And those were fringe jackasses too. Don't get me wrong, the right is hardly guilt free either and we can go on all day about "what if Hillary won" but this is what's happening now. People are free to express their anger and protest but rioting and threatening violence needs to be condemned at all levels.
Somebody should tell her she'll get another shot in 4 years to make changes she wants. Just not this year. |
| Posted by: Saint Nov 11 2016, 01:30 PM |
| I wonder why Hillary haven't said anything pertaining to the violent protests. Or maybe I missed it somewhere. Funny how when libtards don't get their ways, they get all emotional and start going against the democracy they're so proud of. Their hypocrisy is hilarious, but somewhere at a corner of my dark soul, I feel bad for those whose properties are affected. I believe there are many right thinking democrats who carried on with their lives the next day and hope for the best. Thanks to those libtards, democrats now look like a joke. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 11 2016, 01:56 PM | ||
Yes, that was my entire point. Glad to finally be on the same page. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 11 2016, 02:13 PM |
| I don't think Hillary will be physically able to campaign in four years. |
| Posted by: RalliKai Nov 11 2016, 05:21 PM | ||
There is always Chelsea down the road. The dynasty isn't over yet.  |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 11 2016, 05:33 PM | ||
She's looking at a senate run. Presidency is a loooooong way down the road. She's old enough to run but there is no way she'd have a chance at nomination when Bernie and Warren will probably be gunning for it in 2020. If not Trump, I would have voted for Bernie, but he folded like origami to the mainstream Democratic party line as soon as the nomination fell through his fingers. I don't like that. |
| Posted by: RalliKai Nov 12 2016, 05:59 AM |
| Would be much happier to see the Clinton's, like the Bush's, fade into history. |
| Posted by: 207 Nov 12 2016, 10:05 AM | ||
i totally agree with that. atleast we knew what she'd likely do and be prepared for it. i hope they put a nuzzle on trump so he cant do too much damage in his mandate. he can then happily fade into history after whatever shenanigans he has hidden in his head take form (or not). |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 12 2016, 10:52 AM |
| Too late. His team has already influenced a lot of change this week. |
| Posted by: xiao Nov 12 2016, 11:24 AM | ||
| ☆ We should all make the United States into a Kingdom... a Kingdom of ROCK!! ♪ ♫ But seriously: All of us peasants would elect a musician ~ any halfway decent musician like Danny Elfman or Keanu Reeves and then make-up a round table of 13 KNiGHTS that would act as checks & balances so Keanu Reeves doesn't go too crazy for the remainder of his rulership. Then every 6 years we the priests and noblemen and even the livestock would elect another KiNG to rule the United... wait we gotta rename this country into something cooler like → Rock☆World \m/™ -- Also Lord Keanu would have a wizard (advisor) (Gene/Earl Simmons) that would bestow upon him and every other subsequent KiNG of the United States of Rock☆World \m/™ a SiLVER guitar (made by Ibanez.co.jp) named Seibaー and with that sword he would ROCK the WORLD with great power & love!!  -- there would be no more Warz because Rock & Roll would be inscribed within all the hearts of humanity. The official Religion of the United States of ROCK☆WORLD \m/™ would be Freddie Mercury and everyone would live in the Kingdom of Rock all the days of our lives -- excellent! \m/™☆ I think we should do that ... who's down to vote✓ for Baron Elfman and/or Lord Reeves...? 
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| Posted by: 207 Nov 12 2016, 05:23 PM | ||
that has been rather clear with all these recent protests. the masses have been angered quite a bit. if his promises are stopped by the houses people might calm down and get on with civil life. i do hope he's humbled by all the things that are needed to do his mandate and smarten up and try to be a decent president. we have seen he can switch from civilized to raging rather fast so i cant take his current tone as a truth. the next 4 years will be crazy, just hope people/USA can recover from it. he's already trying to keep it all in the family and that is not a great sign........ im not sure how much influence/damage the FBI director did with his announcement on the emails did to her in the last week but it seems to have did sufficient damage to hurt her odds. i dont know what his exact motivation to announce the email investigation that late in the race was but he had no common sense in doing so. |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 12 2016, 05:42 PM |
| Comey announced the investigation reopening because Anthony Weiner willingly handed over his computers to the NYPD/FBI. No warrant necessary. Because Huma was stupid and kept an archive of Hillary's emails on at least one of those computers, FBI was forced to reopen the investigation to comb through the vast amount of emails. Dear lord, the FBI Director doing his job is beneath common sense? What promises of Trump's are causing people to go nuts? To end TPP, which he already did yesterday? To make Obamacare better (not repealed), which he outlined yesterday? To strengthen immigration law, which caused a lot of people to say they were moving to Canada, which has strong immigration laws that are similar to what Trump is proposing? McConnell has only said he pledged to stop Trump's wish to put term limits on congress. WOW, SO BAD! |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Nov 12 2016, 06:46 PM |
| So, being a bit behind on details... by improving Obamacare, does that mean possibly a public option? |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 12 2016, 07:29 PM |
| He basically said he's keeping the things that work, and improving the things that didn't. He won't drop it entirely (which CNN proudly trumpeted as "Trump waffling on his own policy already") because that would leave a lot of people stranded. He's just looking to fix the damn thing so it provides more benefits for less money. I am praying that he takes out the fines for those that do not want to participate in what is essentially a subsidized private insurance plan. This would pave the way for a public option. There is no official policy out there yet. He's just announced a transition team, so it's going to take some time to get policy language out there. |
| Posted by: 207 Nov 12 2016, 07:39 PM | ||
i just feel Comey could've waited for them to look at them first before announcing anything new. it was so close to election day that they should've been sure of what sort of content was in there. if its the same old emails they previously investigated then it shouldn't have been so urgent. she's no angel nor him for doing his job in announcing it. in the end they still need to know what was going in in both investigations for both Anthony and Hillary. i doubt he'll get Mexico to build a wall but he did scare and unnerve many Americans with his promises. |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 12 2016, 07:50 PM |
| But... he was announcing that the case was reopened. You'd think a criminal case being opened on a presidential nominee would be big news, and it was. They aren't announcing that they found anything, just that it was reopened. What if something like that happened with Trump, apparently not your guy, instead? Would you have been upset? |
| Posted by: 207 Nov 12 2016, 08:37 PM | ||
i guess its how some people viewed it, trump falsely claimed it was a criminal investigation while others just said the investigation was simply reopened. it did likely give him some ammo to bring others to his side even if facts have little importance to him. spilled milk is just that, spilled milk. i guess trump took it as a method to get more people to his side. personally id have rather he announce it if he found new emails to investigate than give trump some sort of advantage. im not a trump follower but i do believe the people should know of any sort of indiscretion either candidate had at the time. |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 12 2016, 11:42 PM | ||
So the falsehood is based on a single word? If the FBI suspected anything, they treat it as a criminal investigation. Who was on the case? The FBI White Collar Crime Division. While she was cleared, it was still a criminal investigation, plain and simple. Trump's message was that Hillary was corrupt, in the pocket of corporations and foreign interests, and guilty of mishandling classified information. Leaked emails, which were verified by DKIM, show that her campaign was involved in many shady deals behind the scenes. She had many media corporations working for her campaign, violating journalistic ethics. All of this is available for public inquiry now, thanks to the leaks. Even if there wasn't a grand scale investigation "conveniently" before the election, this shit would eventually bite her in the ass anyway. Was he wrong? |
| Posted by: 207 Nov 13 2016, 04:40 AM | ||
no, she was guilty of all those allegations and she should face the consequences for them. she cant ever run away from them. im just still sour that trump was able to win. she wasnt the best DNP candidate ever but i hated how he ran his campaign. |
| Posted by: RalliKai Nov 13 2016, 07:30 AM | ||
A good example of what happens when the government ignores middle America (white-working class) long enough. They no longer care about the PC backlash or smashing the glass ceiling. I'm more curious about what this means for US/Russian relations and if greater cooperation will be attempted, atleast in the Middle East. Hillary's proposal for a No-Fly zone in Syria was far too late to be effective and I think ran too high a risk of creating a major incident with Russian military in the region. The S-400s being the biggest problem to a No-fly zone. |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 13 2016, 11:13 AM |
| He said it best. The forgotten men and women will not be forgotten any longer. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 13 2016, 11:40 AM | ||
You mean how Russia ran his campaign? I kid, I kid. Even without Wikileaks he would've still had the whole acting-a-fool thing to fall back on, so it wouldn't have changed his actual activity a whole lot. He just would've said the word 'emails' less. |
| Posted by: 207 Nov 13 2016, 12:17 PM | ||
lol, corrected my post. i doubt Russia directly ran it but the wiki leaks hack did originate from some origin. |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Nov 13 2016, 12:25 PM |
| She wasn't the best DNP candidate ever... !? She couldn't beat the most unpopular fucking candidate of all time, and on top of that, she repeated the SAME GODDAMNED MISTAKES that Obama handed her ass to her with 8 years ago. She reluctantly gestured herself as a "progressive" up until the DNC convention, then grabbed the most forgettable, establishment center-right corporatist puppet she could fine and ran STRAIGHT TO THE RIGHT, using the same goddamned strategy her husband used 24 years ago, except we weren't hurting then the way we are now and we wanted an actual progressive in the office. Oh, and spitting on Bernie supporters every step of the way for supporting the most liberal fucking candidate in the past 40 years yet claiming we're sexist and misogynists. Gee, I wonder why we didn't show up to the polls and support her smarmy, narcissistic ass? Fuck Hillary Clinton. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 13 2016, 01:38 PM | ||
Stop it. This is entirely untrue. |
| Posted by: xiao Nov 13 2016, 02:01 PM |
| This has now become the conspiracy theories thread ~ For another country to run a political campaign to elect a foreign leader, there would have to be some major iPhone-7 hacking & Bin Laden's zombie-Jesus Isis doppelganger involvement involved. Just like those crazy YouTube videos about how 9-11 has all staged by a secret cabal of philosophers called The Patriots™ then Ocelot magically appears with Liquid's arm in a mech. ♥ I love crazy military shizz, but for that to jump out of a Kojima-game there would have to be some major Konamiatrix RL haxx0ringz involved ~ |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 13 2016, 02:03 PM |
| There have been allegations that Russia had some sort of influence on Trump's campaign. They were probably behind the email hacks, but the only contact they had with both campaigns was establishing relationships with them in the case that they won the presidency. This is normal protocol and happens in every election. Red scare is an easy media "get", so there you go. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 13 2016, 02:53 PM | ||||||||
I disagree with the concept of the death penalty.
I appreciated the movement for Bernie at first but the more I saw the worse I felt. He was a total pussy, letting BLM hijack his speech and shitting on whitey in debates, and in general just way too much of a socialist. And yeah, he ended up being a complete sellout, so no surprise there either.  Image size reduced, original size: 750 x 533. http://puu.sh/shh0M/0f93940f5a.jpg to view the image in its original dimension.
What exactly do you mean by this?
To be fair, it is waffling to some degree, if only for the fact that he pushed that promise so hard and it was one of his biggest points during his campaign. However, the disappointment in this flaking is at least offset by the hope I have for whatever he does decide to do, because it could still be good. I'm not holding my breath. |
| Posted by: 207 Nov 13 2016, 05:58 PM |
| trump can act civilized/presidential when he wants to but he can just as easily go off on a tangent and say things that can unnerve others. look at the example during the 1yr period to gain the nation's favor. he acted a bit confrontational for most part of it, switched to presidential behavior for a few weeks and then fell back to confrontational politics. IMO he can freely switch between these 2 modes when he wants to. that makes any sort of effort from him hard to judge if he's actually learning or just acting on his best behavior on an temporary basis. id have to see a longer term concerted effort of proper behavior to be able to be convinced he can act like a good president |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 14 2016, 10:20 PM |
| I'm getting a lot of shit shared to me regarding a petition to either sway the votes of or just abolish the electoral college from the Constitution, because Hillary has the popular vote by about 700,000 votes. For the former to happen, it would require a herculean effort that is basically impossible. You'd be asking, individually, for droves of Republican electors to switch their vote on the basis of lack of faith... in order to put Hillary Clinton, the bane of the GOP, in office. She would need a ton of electors the change their vote so she can cross 270 from her existing 232 (against Trump, who now has 306 after winning Michigan). The latter choice would require senate AND state intervention, and guess what? The senate is stacked with Republicans. It's not going to happen. Trump is going to be President. Even the media isn't giving this shit credence, it's so farfetched. Did anybody else see Trump's 60 Minutes interview? |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 15 2016, 01:56 AM |
| I saw it. Nothing much of substance. While I can already facepalm as he picks the people to replace the heads of agencies like the EPA and FCC, I can't really armchair-criticize until January and shit actually gets rolling. As for the popular lead, wow. That's already over Gore/Bush. Ah well, we had to eat it then, we have to eat it now. I don't understand people posting the "here's how Hillary could still win" or "here's how Bernie could still win" shit. It's over, folks. Shut up and move on, we've got better, more important things to worry about. |
| Posted by: xiao Nov 15 2016, 03:54 AM | ||
| If you want Catholic America's vote (and he won it alright) tell 'em you're gonna phase-out abortion. That's why Bush Jr won in 2001 and 2004 ~ cause even a huge if not every portion of the denominations in the USA, hell even other non-Christian religions, are Pro-Life/Anti-Abortion/etc etc call it what you will. That was a huge reason why Trump won; and maybe he will phase-out abortion I don't know & I don't care?  I'm not religious at all, tho I used to be; to me God is love and that's where it ends. I don't really give a hoot about Pro-Choice or Pro-Life or Anti-this Anti-that... but when I heard that in the 60-interview, I knew it immediately why a huge number of voters voted for him. The only issue I really give a shoot about is Snowden's pardon ... every other blah-blah this & that Hillary & Trump said doesn't fly by my forehead for even a millisecond. I don't care about the wall cause it's been a tedious-topic ever since I was a wee-laddy so the only beef I have with it is that oops there goes more tax-payers dosh on a useless construction project. Casey Neistat said it best ~ who ever you voted ✓ for it doesn't really matter cause the outcome of your nation & ultimately your life is in your hands ~ not some old dude or witch-lady in the White House. Twas a hella fun election tho'
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| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 15 2016, 04:24 AM |
| Isn't it illegal to photograph/videotape your ballot in NY? |
| Posted by: prince_david Nov 15 2016, 07:21 AM | ||
I think it is but I also think nobody cares. I also believe if it gets challenged in court it is valid in first amendment freedom of speech. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 15 2016, 07:31 AM | ||
Pretty much. I can't really imagine anyone giving a shit about something like that. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 15 2016, 07:33 AM |
| Just sayin'. There are plenty of dumbass laws on the books (lookin' at you, shoulder-thing-that-goes-up!), but that doesn't stop them from being laws until they get struck down, so...yeah. Ignorance of the law is not a defense, etc. I'm just shit-stirring, really. There's not much left to talk about. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 15 2016, 07:36 AM | ||
Not to get off-topic, but wut? |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 15 2016, 08:14 AM | ||
The 'barrel shroud', one of the 'evil features' that defines what an assault rifle is by law. When NY congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy was subsequently asked what a barrel shroud was--since she was so strongly in support of banning them--she responded that, "I actually don't know what a barrel shroud is. I believe it's a shoulder thing that goes up." Because the majority of people who are anti-gun, especially those who are against 'assault weapons', cannot actually define what it is they're banning. Which is hilarious until you remember that these same ignorant fools are the ones making the laws that affect those of us who do know better. Then it's not as funny anymore. The 2nd Amendment shit is, on its face, about the only good thing about Trump...assuming he actually does push for what he says. As with anything he says, it's not worth putting any weight on until January and balls start rolling outta the oval office. Until then it's all smoke and mirrors. Or, as Seamus McFly so eloquently put it back in good ol' 1885, "Hot air from a buffoon." |
| Posted by: APX Nov 15 2016, 09:41 AM |
| I'm for the Death Penalty. That or we can have it be like in the Latin America's, anybody accused of rape is basically dead in prison. (Those videos are sure... fun to watch, cannibalism, murder, etc.) I'm sure the taxes that the new Weed jobs/selling we get will be dumped into our prison system as well (Aside from what I hear of 3-4 million a year in research on how to arrest someone if they smoke and drive) And the whole abortion thing is also retarded, i'm sure he won't answer it, but what if a woman was raped, it's her fault for being raped and she's forced to keep the child? Might as well as force her to marry the person then, like the good old story book the bible says!  |
| Posted by: xiao Nov 15 2016, 10:05 AM | ||||
☆ For a second there I thought you were talking about a Saiyan-scouter Nomake-P my man  ~ there's a law here in TX that says you can't spit on the sidewalk or else you get fined just like jaywalking
☆ Just put the little zygote up for adoption or in a nun-filled boarding school & tell him Brad Pitt was his daddy like xiao was raised by a pack of crazy ruler-wielding nunz ~ (Brad Pitt really is my dad! )https://youtube.com/watch?v=dsUXAEzaC3Q Image size reduced, original size: 972 x 722. http://imgur.com/q5WXraC.jpg to view the image in its original dimension. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 15 2016, 11:02 AM | ||||
You realize shit like that is exactly why we don't do things like Latin America does, right? That shit like that is half the reason illegal immigration from those countries (Mexico in particular) is such a contentious issue?
I disagree wholeheartedly with the GOP's general stance on abortion, and indeed Trump's current public stance as well. But when considering how it applies to his potential policymaking, I'm not as worried about it as I could be, as he's mentioned before that he would like it to be a state-handled issue rather than a federal one. So even if he were the most hard-line anti-abortion proponent, it wouldn't matter as long as he sticks to his word and leaves it in the hands of everyone but himself. Frankly this is something all the anti-Trump folks should be rejoicing about, but they're too busy focusing on his character to notice. http://uproxx.com/news/trump-timeline-abortion/ |
| Posted by: APX Nov 15 2016, 11:19 AM | ||
You mean keep people in over crowded prisons? It's what we do, but they are more.. lazy in a sense in patrolling the areas. (I mean, look at that Tent city like prison we had for however many years, it only recently got the main guy charged for abuse or whatever) The whole pinoy thing to with the drug dealers/druggies is also laughable. He's basically feeding them for having them turn themselves in or be murdered. We can go on and on about this, it's what makes humans fun to study and try to understand. The bottom line for me is this, I support the death penalty, and it being rushed on the ones that have a elephant size full of evidence on them for murder/multiple rapes/etc. Firing squad? I'd vote that shit in too rather than the gas chamber. |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 17 2016, 10:59 PM |
| Mitch McConnell pledged to stop Trump's proposal for term limits on congress at all costs a few days ago. Then earlier today, Paul Ryan said he supports the proposal. One of these people is a long term senator that has the lowest approval rating in the Senate, while also being the majority leader. The other has been in politics for barely two decades and has the big chair in the House. Maybe they should have a fistfight to determine the winner, before things get truly bloody in congress. December 19th is approaching fast, guys. I hope you sent letters to your state's electors to get them to change their vote to Hillary despite her concession. |
| Posted by: RalliKai Nov 18 2016, 07:09 AM |
Hillary looks like she's aged another 10 years since last week.  It will be an interesting fight if Congressional term limits do make it to the floor. It also looks like Pelosi's job is under threat (not surprisingly) from OH congressman Tim Ryan. |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 18 2016, 11:42 AM |
| Hillary looks that way because she doesn't have a 300+ staff that included a makeup team anymore now that her campaign is over. |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Nov 30 2016, 05:10 PM | ||
Hey look, Trump's already done more to fix American jobs before Inauguration Day than Obama's done in his entire 8 year term.
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| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 30 2016, 05:28 PM | ||
I'm afraid that Carrier keeping 1000 jobs (out of 1400, mind you) in the US does not amount to 'doing more to fix American jobs before Inauguration Day than Obama's done in his entire 8 year term'. When Obama took office in January 2009, unemployment was skyrocketing due to the financial meltdown you may or may not recall. It hit its peak in October of that year--at 10%--and has been inching back down since. Unemployment, as of now, is at roughly 5%. I'd say that reducing US unemployment from the highest it had been since the bubble burst in the 80s back down to its usual 'idle' state of 5% constitutes far greater an improvement than a mere 1000 jobs. It's a great start, don't get me wrong, and as I've had to say several times already I truly, honestly hope that those who wanted Trump in the White House have this work out for them. I really hope that what they believe Trump to be is what he actually turns out to be. Until then, I'll be sitting back and watching. Source: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000 |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Nov 30 2016, 07:20 PM | ||
| First off, the awesome face was my cue that it was at least mostly tongue in cheek. With that out of the way, one thing I would like to point out is that while unemployment itself has been greatly reduced to what economists consider 'full employment', the fact that manufacturing jobs are at least starting to be corralled to within our nation's borders is a huge deal, because most of the jobs lost during and before the recession were replaced with low-wage service-industry jobs. So for me, this is kind of a big win and a small glimmer of hope in a very dark time for America... but if President-elect Trump really wants to make a splash, he'll get on the phone with that old jew from Vermont and discuss implementing the Outsourcing Prevention Act.
Source: commondreams.org |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 30 2016, 09:09 PM |
| Unemployment rate is fixed anyway. That number the fed throws around is not the actual number. Watch. The real number (which is not good) will be revealed on Trump's first day so the media can say he lied. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 1 2016, 07:38 AM | ||||
That's...not a source. What were you actually trying to source, here? Anyway, like I said, I'm not saying that this isn't a win for Trump--it is--but I'm merely not allowing your partially-tongue-in-cheek comment to slide without a little frictional fact-checking. 
Yes, let's just say that anything I disagree with is fake, and Trump will reveal the truth. Quoted, see you in January. |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 2 2016, 11:05 AM |
| Obama willingly allowed tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs to disappear from US shores, then created incentives for minimum wage employers to hire more people. What this did was create an economy where people work two or more jobs to make the same money they did ten years ago. On paper, "jobs were created", even though employment barely increased. At the same time, wages have decreased on average in the past year. Is that really progress? I spent years working in a place where I had unfettered access to govt programs and data... but I guess I'm just pissing in the wind with conspiracy theories. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 2 2016, 03:09 PM |
| Yep. If it can't be sourced, then until it is, I'm not going to give it any credibility. That's my own personal belief system. So, as I said, I'll see you in January. If you're right, then you're right, and the data will support you. Until then, here's what portion of your last post, at least, can be sourced: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38181041 [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Dec 4 2016, 07:41 PM |
| Obama finally stopped DAPL and I'm glad for it. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 4 2016, 08:40 PM | ||
The fed pulls a lot of tricks in order to get the number as low as possible. The bar is set extremely low right now. If you work at least one hour per week and make at least $20, you are considered employed, even though you'd be far below the poverty line. Without context, it's just a number people throw around as a success story. The truth is that it's been set so that almost anybody can be considered employed even if they aren't. If the unemployment rate is said to be 9.3-9.6% next year, I will happily take a potato chip... and eat it. Because that's the real number, and it's been at or above that range since the beginning of 2016. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/02/unemployment-rate-fell-but-a-more-realistic-rate-is-higher.html Mind you, the BLS has always had the U6 freely available on their site. What is reported is the U3, which takes great lengths to negate a lot of the groups of these people that are not in sustainable "jobs". Mowing the lawn and making $25 despite not actually having a job means you're not included in the U3 statistic. Not working at all, but simply putting in an application one time in a year's time means you're not included in the U3 statistic. The raw number is the real number, and my point is simply that the media, in their frenzy to jab at Trump, could easily pull a switch on us and say that Trump is responsible for the "insane" shift from 4.6% to 9.6%, and audiences would believe it if they didn't take the time to do some research. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 4 2016, 11:08 PM | ||||
And I think you--and anyone who supported the protest--is braindead. This is proof that if you kick and scream and whine and terrorize loudly enough, you will get your way; facts be damned. It's an awful precedent to set. Then again, that precedent was started with BLM, so I can't say I'm surprised. Disappointed, yes. Surprised? No.
I've taken ECON-200, I'm well aware of the different methods for calculating unemployment. However, you can be damn sure that I'm not a moron who doesn't do research. You can think whatever you want about me, but when I see an article that looks sizzling my first thought is usually, "That sounds weird, where the hell did that even come from," followed by digging that usually results in defusing the situation at hand. It's how I, rather impressively, got called both a shill for the Hillary conspiracy and a Trump supporter on the same fucking day back before the election. So, once again...see you in January. |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 5 2016, 04:43 PM |
| I wasn't insulting your intelligence, N1. I think you're one of the smartest members on the site, truly. My aim was to explain myself, with a source. If it was taken as a personal attack, I apologize. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 5 2016, 07:58 PM |
| Fair enough. I apologize for the overreaction. Hopefully you can understand, since this thread has been rather tense (and is exactly why there was an unspoken rule about not having political discussions). But since we're on the subject, riddle me this, AJ--when are they gonna dig up and move the existing pipeline from 1982 that goes through the same supposed holy ground? |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 5 2016, 08:26 PM |
| 18 months of question marks (especially on the GOP side) followed by one of the biggest upsets in election history by an incredibly unlikely candidate. I feel that it would be a disservice not to allow members to discuss it. |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Dec 12 2016, 10:25 PM | ||
Wow dude, that was completely uncalled for. Maybe try looking into the facts about the pipeline, like *where the stream goes, how many people's lives will be affected when the pipe leaks *fact that Energy Transfer Partners tore right through land officially unceded by the Fort Laramie treaty, NOT part of North Dakota whatsoever *the fact that it took over 4 months and 4,000 vets to show up before an environmental impact study was mandated despite the fact that it should have been conducted before the drilling pad was even setup *the fact that it was ACTUALLY the police doing the terrorizing this time, spraying people down with water cannons at sub freezing temperatures, teargassing peaceful protesters and shooting them with rubber bullets indiscriminately even when the crowd never showed any hostility whatsoever *the fact that this pipeline was never even intended for US oil distribution, but exportation? BLM is absolute and total horseshit, however this ain't BLM. This is the people versus the oil industry, and this time the facts favor the people. I'm against pipelines in general. They leak. They explode. I'm also against fracking and have been since I looked into what fracking is and what it does. Oil isn't the way forward, sustainable energy is. You want to have a pro-or-anti-oil discussion with me, that's fine, but don't pull a hatchet job saying it's anything remotely like BLM. Unless there's like, footage of a bunch of Sioux people going up to Bismarck, lighting fires, turning over cars, smashing storefronts and looting en masse while screaming "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon!" and shooting the place up. I'll happily sing a different tune if that's the case, but it just plain isn't. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 12 2016, 11:15 PM | ||
| Totally uncalled for? Telling me to look up the facts? Oh, that's golden. So, you wanna see where the pipeline goes? How about right fucking next to the one that's been there since 1982? Don't believe me? Here's the fucking map, you dolt:  Image size reduced, original size: 1280 x 366. http://i.imgur.com/02kaad1.png to view the image in its original dimension. See how it says "Existing Pipeline?" That's the Northern Access Pipeline, been there since 1982, and did I mention it was https://books.google.com/books?id=Lfk0AQAAMAAJ&lpg=PR11&dq=northern%20border%20pipeline%20nepa%20north%20dakota&pg=SA5-PA65#v=onepage&q&f=true Funny, why weren't there ancient burial grounds in 1982? It's the weirdest thing! So, now that we've got the basic lie out of the way, let's go ahead and shoot down the rest of your bullshit. How many peoples lives will be affected when the pipe leaks! If, not when. Again, existing pipeline from 1982 hasn't had any issues, and compared to alternatives statistically speaking pipelines are safer. As for the stream you refer to? Were you aware that that very same stream was being dammed and relocated regardless of the pipeline? Oh, shit, you didn't know that, did you?
ETP just fucking tore through land that wasn't ceded, the bastards! It's not North Dakota at all!!! What's your source for this? Because all the reports I read (like http://www.scribd.com/doc/323278826 one that's actually the full report on the pipeline?) showed that it was moving through private property and, as mentioned earlier, also happens to follow the path of an existing pipeline that's been there since 1982. It took over 4 months and 4000 veterans before an environmental impact study-- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. See the link I posted above? Enjoy your 1261-page environmental impact study. Or you can use this bite-sized 3-page conclusion version https://www.fws.gov/uploadedFiles/DAPL%20FONSI.pdf. The police were terrorizing the-- Let's conveniently ignore the protestor who supposedly was mauled by a flashbang, except that it turned out she was part of a group that was rolling improvised propane bombs towards the police line and got caught in the explosion when one prematurely detonated. See http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/11/23/really-injured-sophia-wilansky/. The pipeline was never intended to distribute oil to the US! I'm sorry, why is this part of the discussion? The discussion is whether it's legal or not, and whether this is an awful precedent to set to allow a whole bunch of yelling, screaming, ignorant people to dictate the actions of industry. I say nay, but I see you clearly don't care about facts as much as you care about opinions. But do go on, I'm all about facts.  |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Dec 13 2016, 03:18 PM |
| Wait... there was already a pipeline there? What the actual fuck [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: xiao Dec 14 2016, 10:05 AM | ||
Did someone say ... Presidential PIPE LINE ... ??    |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 14 2016, 12:54 PM |
| Curious to know what y'all think of Trump's cabinet nominees. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 14 2016, 05:04 PM |
| Almost all of them are garbage, and the very swampwater he said he would be draining. To steal a phrase from someone else, it's as if he drained the swamp and found his cabinet at the bottom of it. The only decent thing on there is Mattis and he's not confirmed since he needs an exception in order to be there, so that's not exactly a sure thing. Pretty much to be expected.  Image size reduced, original size: 960 x 768. http://i.imgur.com/svk9SVt.jpg to view the image in its original dimension. |
| Posted by: Cecilia Dec 21 2016, 01:23 AM |
| I abhor the vocal, vitriolic 'feminists' that are running the media circus from Teen Vogue to CNN to NBC. From their hate mongering of Dr. Laura (they accused her of being racist for saying 'nigger' a bunch of times in rapid succession, while making a philosophical point, yes, it sounds bad out of context, bc that's what MSM does) to glorifying women that are DIY-ing motherhood. Anyway. I voted Trump to stick it to Hillary and all the deaf, blind, and dumb bitches that follow her around like puppy dogs. You can't build an empire saying that men don't matter and get my vote! What began as a protest vote came to grow into an earnest interest in the man. I read his book, 'The Art of the Deal', dismissed the ten seconds of sound bytes the media shoved in my face and watched whole footage to decide for myself what he actually meant by 'grab 'em by the pussy'. (He was telling the truth, actually. When you're independently wealthy and a celebrity, OF COURSE high class skanks with expensive tastes will allow him to have his way with them. Of course the media will run with it, ten years later, when he's running for president.) [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 21 2016, 04:55 AM | ||
I really hope that works out for you. I honestly, really, truly do. |
| Posted by: xiao Dec 21 2016, 06:19 AM |
| My old US Gov teacher used to say: The true nature of politicians is inherent within their name itself ~ Politics. Poly = Multiple Ticks = Parasites I feel the same way about the Pope & every political & religious leader from the dawn of time to the end of our lives. A true leader leads by example in trenches with the rank of a soldier, and will never be called a leader till the day he or she dies. --- --- --- That's why I have no faith politics and religion ~ regardless of the person up on the podium. |
| Posted by: Cecilia Dec 21 2016, 12:05 PM | ||
What are you, a terrorist? You mean you hope it works out for US. Cause it affects you, too. 😜 [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 21 2016, 01:17 PM | ||
It does indeed affect me, but I did not vote for Trump. Thus, as someone who did not vote for Trump, I do not have to live with the consequences of my decision. I have to live with the consequences of yours. Thus, I hope that your decision works out for you. Because, by extension, if it works out for you then it might work out for me. However, he's not even in office yet and already I've got "I told you so" stocked and ready in spades. I don't know what people thought Trump was--except for you, who saw him merely as a petty way to stick it to intersectional feminists--but it looks like it's slowly becoming clear to folks that he's not what they incorrectly assumed. It'll be a fun four years, I'm sure. Can't wait for the midterms. |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 21 2016, 02:04 PM | ||||
It was originally a protest, but she did her research and made a decision on election day. I honestly didn't know she voted Trump until the next day. --- I like some of his cabinet picks. I dislike others. If Mattis is confirmed, our military is going to be backed by an incredible mind. I'm hoping that we withdraw from the Syrian bullshit. I'm hoping that our intelligence programs are rethought. I'm hoping that people can regain the amount of respect for our service members that they deserve. The VA needs to be overhauled. We're not being taken care of. Veterans are dying because of this incompetence. What I look forward to the most is a dedicated effort to get rid of the PC culture that has infested our society in every aspect. |
| Posted by: Cecilia Dec 21 2016, 02:18 PM | ||
I don't like what you're saying you straight(?), white, privileged, gringo!!!11 REEEEEEEEEEEE. Jk Seriously though, I do appreciate his thoughts on illegal immigration. If he can find a way to cut down on illegals crossing the border, legals that overstay their visas, I believe this country would be headed in the opposite direction of Argentina, Peru, and Mexico. I don't hold out hope for an actual wall. It would be nice to see our resources go to our vets and civilians first. If you've never lived there, you just don't know what it's like. They don't have PC terms like we do here. They wear their prejudices out in the open. If you can't handle it, tough. That's just how it is. My own father didn't want Obama in office. Pop was a very smart man. He knew allowing millions of illegals to stay here would destroy America, and it slowly is. It's too bad I didn't inherit his critical thinking skills, but my talents lie elswehere, otherwise, I'd have better arguments. Well, that and I haven't trained myself how to think circuitously. I'm curious, what are your thoughts on your fellow Americans attacking white males in this country? I find it disgusting. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Dec 21 2016, 03:17 PM | ||
Well, people can be stubborn. The people you're talking about in particular are especially stubborn about their beliefs, and on top of all that, government meddling in the people's beliefs has only ever inflamed opposition even more, so I don't see SJW/PC culture fucking off just by the election of Trump alone. The only thing he and the government in general can do is not cater to the whims of these children and refuse to placate them with whatever ass-backward laws and regulations they may want to introduce in the future. Government resistance is better than no resistance, I suppose. The best thing to do is ignore them when they spout dumb opinions, and invalidate them whenever they spout falsehoods. Only society can keep itself in check. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 21 2016, 03:23 PM | ||||
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661
Now who's speaking as if it's not their problem? Heh, just jabbin'. Anyway, could you please be more specific as to what you're referring to? I would be more than happy to answer your question, but I would rather be 100% sure what your question actually is before doing so. |
| Posted by: RalliKai Dec 22 2016, 07:13 AM |
| Not sure what everyone's interpretation of "Drain the Swamp" was. I think he's met part of it. All I want are qualified individuals and so far, I like a fair number of the picks, and dislike certain others. Mattis is a breath of fresh air from Ash Carter in my opinion. I don't know what to think about Flynn. The window for doing anything about Assad closed years ago. Current administration opened the door for Russia and Iran to walk right into Syria and there is little we can do about it now or should. China's actions in the South Pacific is a greater strategic threat along with ISIS. I hope now that spending in the military, cyber and intelligence can be directed towards the right resources. I don't think we need to still be building new Abrams tanks for example. I think we're stuck with F-35 regardless. I'm not happy with Trump's choice for Secretary of State but am willing to wait and see what he does. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 22 2016, 08:52 AM | ||||||||
Well, I assume it had something to do with what Trump himself said it was...
So here, he says he doesn't want lobbyists, because lobbyists are bad, mmkay?
Here he says that it's the constitutional amendment to impose term limits on Congress (but not the Supreme Court?).
And finally, you have Trump admitting that it's all bullshit anyway. Yep. Real bang-up job. |
| Posted by: MidnightViper88 Dec 22 2016, 01:22 PM | ||
Actually, yes we do. Maybe we don't need to be building entirely new chassis by the production lines worth, but the M1 Abrams is still a vital part to armored ground war/infantry support, and still needs constant upgrades and service extensions as the years go by. The only thing is that armored combat is not entirely a progressive art of war; little changes, with only slight advancements to technology, materials, and shifting enemy landscapes pushing tanks in different directions as required. But it still needs to be relevant, lest we find ourselves in a Middle East war where we're getting stomped by T-80s that haven't seen upgrades in over a decade. The F-35 is also more than necessary, since air superiority is the part of military strength that's constantly dynamic in context, and what was good 10 years ago when a plane was in development may need to fit a new need once it actually enters service. Is it an expensive plane? You bet your ass it is, way more than anyone could have expected. But it could be even more expensive if it wasn't a joint strike fighter project that was a shared investment among several of our best buds directly across the Atlantic and Pacific. I love the F-15, the F-16/F/A/-18/AV-8B are also great planes, but they're aging in a rapidly-changing skyline, and there needs to be something that can fit multiple niche rolls, reduce overall logistics of supplies and service across branches, and has current stealth capabilities. And I do NOT see us sending the golden F-22 apex predator for actual combat in anything less than direct war with Russia or China. |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 22 2016, 01:50 PM | ||||
I think this is a crossed wire. She meant to ask what you thought about the constant barrage of attacks on white people in the country, not foisting the "responsibility" or "ownership" onto any particular person here. |
| Posted by: RalliKai Dec 22 2016, 05:18 PM | ||
A presidential candidate overreaching on promises to get votes? How unprecedented. I wanted Rubio or Kasich for the longest time and didn't break for Trump until the final few weeks leading to the election. I didn't think he'd strip the bureaucracy down cause he's not a small government conservative. I'd love to see term limits on Congress and atleast an age limit for the SCJ but not expecting it. Granted, I didn't expect Trump to win either. @MV88: Unless we find ourselves defending the Baltics from whole divisions of Russian T-90s, I just don't understand the reason to maintain such a large force of MBTs. I thought accelerating the development and upgrade of current Abrams to the M1A3 could substitute for stalling production. The M1A2 SEP can certainly take on any tank North Korea has and even China. The F-35 was flawed from the beginning and always believed the DoD should have gone for 2 different airframes. The F-35 as it is for the Air Force, and a twin-engine derivative for the Navy. You're right in that the F-15, 16, A-10 and F/A-18 are getting worn out. Hell, the Marine Corps has had to cannibalize Hornets in the boneyard just to keep there F/A-18Cs still flyable. That needs to stop. I also thought Gates' decision to halt F-22 production was a mistake where we should have built it to around 280 aircraft. |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 22 2016, 11:14 PM | ||
Trump isn't a conservative, either. He's more or less a populist (depending on the decade), which is partly the reason why he drummed up so many middle class blue collar votes. |
| Posted by: RalliKai Dec 23 2016, 06:45 AM | ||
That's who I was referring to. Sorry for not clarifying. |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 23 2016, 06:52 AM |
| I was clarifying that he's not a small business conservative, or even a conservative at all. He was widely criticized by the GOP during his campaign for not being "conservative enough". |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 23 2016, 09:13 AM |
| I personally believe that there is a huge difference between "overreaching" and "flat-out lying to get gullible voters energized and then drop their dumb asses once I've clinched it," but hey. Like I said before, maybe I'm totally wrong about my analysis of his actions leading up to the election. Maybe I'm totally wrong about how he's gonna cut the EPA, the FCC and plenty of other agencies and set us back 5 decades in scientific progress and human rights. Maybe I've totally misread his absolutely disgusting bunch of cabinet members and the massive shift about to occur in the judicial and legislative branches. We'll find out soon enough. I've got "I told you so" cannons locked and loaded and I pray, with tears in my eyes, that I never have to use them. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: MidnightViper88 Dec 23 2016, 09:49 AM | ||||
I did not mention the A-10, but that is actually an indispensable asset in the niche of air-to-surface/anti-armor aircraft, advanced technology be damned. There's nothing like it that can both make it rain fire and take fire with its reliable and durable airframe. Not many planes retain flight capability when shot to hell.
He was once a Democrat's best friend...until he took over the Republican party and ran against the Democrats. Half of Republicans didn't even give a shit that he wasn't Conservative at all anyway. |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 23 2016, 01:03 PM | ||
I think that's a little arrogant to be throwing around constantly. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 23 2016, 05:59 PM |
| I think you are welcome to your opinion and I am welcome to disregard it. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 24 2016, 01:05 PM | ||
Your position allows you to do that. Mine doesn't. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 24 2016, 04:12 PM |
| What are our 'positions' exactly, and how do they relate either to my praying I never have to say "I told you so" or to the freedom of expression in general? Basically, your nebulous statement could use some clarification. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 24 2016, 09:45 PM | ||
Nebulous? I thought my position as administrator was more than enough to understand. I read everything, in every subforum here, every day. I don't like passing off anybody's words as something to disregard, as I feel it devalues them, even if I don't personally like the person or their viewpoint (which doesn't apply here because I like you). When I did so in the past, it ended up biting me in the ass pretty hard. It's not about your freedom of expression. It's a personal view that all voices should be heard, and I will happily do so. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 25 2016, 12:34 AM |
| There is a difference between paying attention to every post and actively promoting or decrying every post. One is because you are a studious and engaged forum administrator. The other is...well, let's just leave it at it has nothing to do with one's position as administrator, and thus is by no means related to the comment in question. Even as admin, you are free to disregard someone's opinion if you do not agree with it. Disregarding it does not cause the opinion to magically vanish from the forum, nor does it silence either the person giving the opinion nor those who choose not to disregard it. Only by stepping in and making commentary would make any difference, and that would only happen because you have something to say. If you don't have anything to say--either due to lack of opinion or actively disregarding the opinion--your position of admin does not necessitate posting regardless. Nor does disregarding the opinion necessitate that you erase the post or warn the member (or both), unless they have actually violated one of the forum guidelines or the ToS. Nice try Tessou, but in biology class, I'd give you a butt minus. |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 25 2016, 01:35 PM |
| Did Xiao hack your account to post that last bit? The last time I made a comment about what drives my decision to post or not post (or "stepping in"), I was rained on with the hot fire by our dear friend Logan510. I'm open to the idea of having my mind changed by the discussion here. It doesn't help me to only read pro-Trump stuff. If this was an echo chamber, it would serve no purpose. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 25 2016, 02:16 PM |
| Nah, the last comment was because in my Christmas-Eve-buzzed state I couldn't get the FLAT BUNS jingle out of my head. It had to be posted. Anyway, important lesson here...you can't please everyone, so trying to base decisions on pleasing Logan510 is silly! Still, doesn't change the fact that our positions as member an administrator have nothing to do with the discussion at hand. And definitely agreed with that last bit. It's why I haven't unfriended anyone for political crap. I have my opinions, other people have their opinions, but how am I supposed to get the whole picture unless I hear it all? Id rather form my opinions based on hearing all the arguments than having them filtered out beforehand. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: APX Dec 26 2016, 12:31 AM |
| Did xiao... post a fucking response with no xiao-isms?!?!? Fucking christmas miracle mate. |
| Posted by: Tessou Jan 8 2017, 10:19 PM |
| Clapper released the official intelligence assessment on Russian hacking efforts during the election. Did any of you read it? |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 8 2017, 10:52 PM |
| I had not read it yet, but it's only 25 pages, so I'll give it a squiz now. I'm not sure why this is in Political Discussion, but fuck it, you're the admin. https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3254229/ICA-2017-01.pdf EDIT: Finished reading it. Says pretty much as expected, and doesn't overreach like certain people would (for instance, explicitly refuses to make claims about the actual amount of influence the campaign had on the US election's outcome). However, while certainly an interesting read, it's too bad they didn't go into detail in places they could have (for instance, we already know what links Guccifer to Russia's Fancy Bear hacking group, so they could have included that). It's also too bad that so much information is actually classified. Without the supporting evidence, it's just...well, not likely to sway anyone. And, of course, the only person it could potentially sway has already just shrugged his shoulders and gone "so what," so that's that. |
| Posted by: Tessou Jan 11 2017, 06:37 PM | ||
An assessment of Russian hacking of the 2016 National Election, which has been a major (if not leading) talking point in the media for two months, has nothing to do with politics? There's also the alleged leaked intel document showcasing Trump taking trips to Russia for illicit (illegal?) activities. Debunked ten ways to Sunday, but it was certainly interesting seeing which outlets would take the bait and run it as a headline anyway. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 11 2017, 06:59 PM |
| I'd like to see where it was debunked, actually. I don't believe anything about it, whether it's that it happened or not or that /pol/ was behind it or not, mostly because there hasn't been any fact to base it on in the first place. We have a 35-page PDF that's just photos of a printed paper. As far as I know, that's the only 'evidence' there is of anything. If you have more evidence that's actually evidence, I'd love to see it. And on that note, I hope that those of you in support of Trump watched his 'news conference' today. If you did not, here is the full transcript: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/11/us/politics/trump-press-conference-transcript.html As someone who has not supported Trump since the beginning, and who has seen through his gaslighting since the beginning, I ask you all: do you still support this man? Do you still believe anything that comes out of his mouth? Are you at all regretting the decision you made at the polls in November? I'm afraid I just cannot understand anyone who supports him. I didn't understand it at the beginning, I didn't understand it when his staff had to take Twitter away from him, I didn't understand it after reading the transcripts for the debates, I didn't understand it on election day, and I don't understand it after today's conference. It doesn't make any sense. So, please, enlighten me. Is he still the man you wholeheartedly put your faith in last November? |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Jan 11 2017, 08:07 PM | ||||||
Anons have confirmed the details of the events described were a fake story some /pol/lack wrote up around November pretty much verbatim, AFAIK.
I have.
Insofar as he is our president-elect and was, in my opinion, an infinitely better option than Hillary, -I do -Not any less after today -Not at all What would I have to regret anyway? He's not even in office yet. As you've said elsewhere, "see you in 2017" (well, later in 2017 now). ;^) |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 11 2017, 08:47 PM | ||
Do you have any evidence of this? I saw the thread on /pol/ and it didn't have any evidence that would confirm or deny a damn thing. It was just "here's a thing where some random anon said he said something to someone in November with no context" and then HOLY SHIT /POL/ WUZ CIA AND SHIT. That's all there was. If there was actual hard evidence, I missed it in the cesspool of shitposting. As far as what I've actually been able to find, there is no evidence on either side. As always, I don't have eyes everywhere, so there's a damn good chance I missed something and if so I'd love to see it. And yes, see you later this year indeed. |
| Posted by: Tessou Jan 11 2017, 09:46 PM |
| The "Pissgate" document that was given to various #nevertrump figures before ending up on McCain's desk does not represent what a classified document and/or any CIA document would look or read like. The classification caveat used, "SECRET/SENSITIVE SOURCE" is completely invalid, incorrectly written even if it was valid, and has never been used by any intelligence agency. There is no intel field classification, which tells me the information was gleaned from absolutely nothing. That told me that it was a fabrication, before reading any of the contents. If it was "leaked", it wouldn't look like that at all. As for the press conference, I think Trump was out of line on a few points and dodged some questions that I wanted to hear answers on. He claimed almost nobody wants to see his tax returns even though a large horde of people (myself included) do. Did he handle the CNN representative well? No, he didn't. He was disrespectful for a personal reason. He can't be dealing with foreign powers like some sort of hot shit gunslinger. His first year is going to be heavily scrutinized, and rightfully so. I voted for him, I'm rooting for him, but I am always looking at this skeptically. I want to give him the chance to back up the rhetoric and promises like I did with Obama. |
| Posted by: MidnightViper88 Jan 12 2017, 10:31 AM | ||
The thing about the /pol/ post is that it's a surreal level of hilarity. Prefaced with the obvious statement that things on 4chan are hard to verify with the imageboard's inherent anonymity, where it's completely possible some anon is just trolling a troll report. But assuming that it was a legit post and is told of truth, then it's weird that in the context of fake news being rampant in the media over the past month or so, that someone in the media AND the federal intelligence community ran with a story that appears to have an apparent /b/-style level of humor without vetting it. Even if the post is just a bluff, there's still no evidence that shows that anyone ever vetted the leak for credibility. Either way, the post struck a chord somewhere, these news outlets are embarrassed to hell about it, trying to distance themselves from the story and taking shots at each other over a difference in specifications, probably because they knew or now know it was fake and yet still ran with it for some arbitrary coverage attention and/or pushed agenda. Who knew it was this easy to set fire to America. |
| Posted by: Tessou Jan 12 2017, 01:38 PM |
| The file originated sometime late last year, high probability from the UK. Still questionable if this 4chan user had much to do with it as there is no proof available on that end (and by their own admission). There is a lead on a marketing firm in the UK that has a history of creating smear campaigns, but it's not concretely linked to this file, so I'm not giving it too much credence until I know more. If this was actually taken from hidden cameras, I have to ask why the complete document doesn't have a SIGINT and/or ELINT caveat on it. Otherwise this should be a HUMINT caveat file. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 12 2017, 02:11 PM |
| Yeah... so I'm gonna go with this whole thing is just BS through-and-through. I hope BuzzFeed crashes and burns for their hubris. |
| Posted by: xiao Jan 13 2017, 09:31 PM |
| Shit's gonna hit the fan in the TX/CA border once Trumpy starts building the great wall of taxpayer's dosh with imaginary money... Looking at the election thoroughly, I neither support him or hate him ~ Hillary & Burns are out of the picture for 4 years so who cares about 'em. But yeah, another prez acting like he's gonna change something; all SOP in America as usual. (xiao can actually make sense when he's under the limited power of a mobile device...  ) |
| Posted by: RalliKai Jan 14 2017, 07:40 AM | ||
The Great Wall he has promised is something I simply don't think will come to reality. His DHS cabinet pick I think will convince him of that. If not, Congress will put its foot down. I still believe what will come to pass will be more along the lines of electronic/surveillance wall with greatly increased number of border patrol guards. Also read the unclassified report and thought it read like something out of Foreign Policy magazine. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 14 2017, 01:46 PM | ||
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006 |
| Posted by: RalliKai Jan 14 2017, 05:28 PM | ||
Perhaps. But a better fence. Made from smart liquid metal. Oh Rosie. http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/314070-rosie-odonnell-supports-imposing-martial-law-to-stop-trump |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Jan 14 2017, 05:37 PM | ||||
Never forget.
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| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 15 2017, 01:42 PM |
| Anybody see Pence on Face the Nation this morning? Absolute farce. The guy was just allowed to say whatever he wanted (like talking about the 'landslide victory' popular vote) without correction, and when asked direct questions (like feelings on Russia, the situation in Crimea, etc) he instead dodged with "We're gonna make America respected again" bullshit that didn't even remotely answer the question. So basically, just like Trump, he talked a whole lot and said jack shit. Brilliant stuff. If you think I'm blowing smoke, go watch it for yourself. I'm sure someone must've made it available for viewing, it's a public broadcast and all. |
| Posted by: DeeBo Jan 15 2017, 02:59 PM | ||||
Not really surprised. The whole election has been filled with that type of rhetoric. In my humble opinion, one of the few good things to come out of this election is General James Mattis becoming the Secretary of Defense, especially as a Marine. #freedomboner I watched half of his confirmation and it was great for him to be able to articulate so well. And then there was this shit from NY Senator Gillibrand: 
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| Posted by: Tessou Jan 15 2017, 11:43 PM | ||
CHANGE WE CAN ALL BELIEVE IN, RIGHT? (I agree with you) |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 16 2017, 05:17 AM |
| At this point I just want to get the show on the road. I'm tired of the political analysts, tired of the meaningless rhetoric, tired of 'countdown to inauguration', all of it. Just put the people in the seats, get their hands on the reins and let's bake this potato. |
| Posted by: Tessou Jan 16 2017, 01:49 PM | ||
Incoming Veritas vid. Take it as you will.
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| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 16 2017, 04:26 PM |
| >chilling in a bar I have said CRAZY shit to friends in bars/restaurants. I've had all kinds of insane technical discussions with friends of things I would never actually do but are really fun to think about. Unless you can prove that these were serious discussions with a single thread, then these videos, taken out of context as they are, are useless. Which, as we have been over time and time again, is Project Veritas's modus operandi. Yawn. Moving on. |
| Posted by: Tessou Jan 16 2017, 06:01 PM |
| "Take it as you will." Didn't need the soapbox again. If there is any shred of credibility to this, the protesters will have a wall of military to somehow get through before they can do anything. I personally know a few Airmen that are traveling across the country on orders to protect the inauguration. This video is mostly talking about infiltrating the "Deploraball", which will feature the likes of Mike Cernovich and Alex Jones in attendance. I don't see the point of ruining a party, if they've already done everything they could to convince the public that alternative media figures are only capable of disseminating fake news and conspiracy theory. Why hurt them further? It seems like a load of shit. Maybe these guys are crazy, maybe they're serious, but actually committing such a stupid act of pseudo terrorism would take a lot of balls to pull off at a time where security in DC is already on high alert. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 16 2017, 09:17 PM |
| If you didn't need the soapbox, don't post Veritas crap. I soapbox for the benefit of people who might lack the critical thinking skills to realize that heavily editing shit can in fact make stupid shit look SUPER SEKRIT SERIUS. That said, I'll be shocked if it's in any way tangentially related to reality, and will laugh heartily as they get wrecked in every orifice. Doubt it'll be an issue though for aforementioned reasons. Seeya Friday! |
| Posted by: Tessou Jan 16 2017, 09:37 PM |
| So you're effectively directing what is and is not allowed in a political discussion thread. Okie doke. I'll show myself out. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 17 2017, 01:22 AM |
| Nope, but excellent attempt at a false dichotomy. If we force it into a dichotomy, it's more that you're suggesting posting Veritas (or anything else, for that matter) while directing that only comments that aren't 'soapbox' are allowed about it. I'm free to post commentary. You're free to post commentary. I'm free to post content. You're free to post content. That's how this works. If you don't like what I have to say, that's your right. If I don't like what you have to say, that's my right. But I'm not telling you what you can and can't post. What I am saying is that if you post something that reeks of bullshit, then you can bloody well expect me to have something to say about it. |
| Posted by: RalliKai Jan 17 2017, 07:16 AM |
| As with leading up to the election, I simply want to get to Friday so this period of political limbo comes to an end. Mattis is still the one pick I'm most excited about. Looking to see an end to the sequester and ironing out some of the issues facing the military currently. I'm very curious if there will be push to replace the 5.56 NATO round with something more effective. |
| Posted by: MidnightViper88 Jan 17 2017, 11:15 AM | ||
Good fucking luck with that. The cost and labor of changing the arms logistics of literally every single rifle and LMG (with exceptions to those that use other NATO standardized cartridges, of course) used in the armed forces over an ammunition switch would need a damn better reason than simply having a cartridge that's "more effective". There's always going to be a push for some sort of agenda; it just depends on the realistic feasibility of it. |
| Posted by: DeeBo Jan 17 2017, 08:39 PM | ||
What round would you like to see? Unless there's something revolutionary being developed it isn't happening, in addition for the reasons MV88 stated. I believe the 5.56 NATO round is effective for today's type of warfare, especially when augmented with DMR's with match grade MK262 ammo and better ammunition such as the MK318 SOST. The versatility seems great, ie short barreled AR's for CQB to DMR's capable for 1000 yd. engagements. Plus you can carry a lot more 5.56 than 7.62. |
| Posted by: MidnightViper88 Jan 17 2017, 09:01 PM |
| The only feasible alternative I could ever see remotely replacing the 5.56 NATO cartridge is the 6.8 SPC proprietary cartridge currently in use with special forces. It's a good round that allows for ballistic performance similar to the 7.62 NATO while being less load-bearing as the 5.56 NATO. The actual casing has dimensions that are shared with the 5.56, so logistically, you can consistently use 5.56 magazines to feed 6.8 cartridges. However, it's only a cartridge developed since the early 2000s so it's hardly a standard display anywhere, still expensive to produce because of limited/niche usage, and it would change the dynamic of literally everything if implimented as a replacement. Say, rhetorically, the US Armed Forces replaced the 5.56 NATO with something else, arbitrarily anything else. Current rifle and LMG systems would need to be re-evaluated to see if any particular platform could run this new cartridge, and if barrel and/or upper receiver assemblies can be even changed out. If they can't, entirely new rifles will need to go through submission, trials, and testing before being deployed, which can take years. If pre-existing platforms can still be used, personnel will need to be retrained to account for new ballistics performances, and sights/scopes need to be recalibrated appropriately, which would still need to be done regardless if working with a new platform anyway. Nevermind the additional logistics of purchasing new maintenance parts, and the ammunition itself. Assuming all of this even gets this far, considering the cartridge itself will need to go through submission, trials, and testing in the first place, which is another several years pre-empted before all of this. Yeah, it's not so simple, and probably not worth the effort when the 5.56 NATO still gets the job done today and tomorrow for everybody. |
| Posted by: DeeBo Jan 17 2017, 09:29 PM | ||
Perfectly put. Any change is just a logistical nightmare for the military, which in some aspects is already experiencing that. In the end, the 5.56 is good enough for today's demands. |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Jan 20 2017, 01:23 PM |
| Well. The experiment has begun. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Jan 20 2017, 01:53 PM | ||||
 Good to see MSM
Say it with me: MISTER PRESIDENT, TRUMP.
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| Posted by: xiao Jan 20 2017, 02:36 PM | ||
Damn nigga … chocolate lain.  |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Jan 20 2017, 05:05 PM |
Let the social media casualties begin. Image size reduced, original size: 848 x 2390. http://puu.sh/ttFLI/3ad0fd33ae.jpg to view the image in its original dimension. |
| Posted by: xiao Jan 20 2017, 06:07 PM |
| ^ If he still has your phone number … that unfriending didn't mean shiz ~ I expected more Trump supporters down here, but we're technically not in Texas. People support the Carlos Slim in this carzy ass city. I'm putting a Trump sticker on the back of my Jeep so I can collect the insurance money when people Ryu & Ken it before the Blanca stage. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 21 2017, 05:55 AM |
| Zach, your 'friend' isn't worth it if they'll unfriend you over political bullshit, and especially if they're someone who admits that they need an echo chamber in order to survive. Absolutely disgusting. I see civil rights and climate change have been removed from the White House website. While certainly nothing new to swap site content with a new administration, it does indicate that certain things aren't exactly critical policy to the incoming staff. Fun times. Let's start the best four years!  |
| Posted by: xiao Jan 21 2017, 06:05 AM | ||
To be fair ~ she's probably a girl *looks at bra collection* … I'll shut-up now :x |
| Posted by: RalliKai Jan 21 2017, 08:06 AM |
| As with Obama, I'm giving Trump the benefit of the doubt to see what he actually does. I have my share of issues with him, especially on trade but will wait and see what does. Speaking of unfriending over politics. I got into a very brief argument with a friend of mine, who's the big feminist type, just before the election when I said I thought both candidates suck and they went on a tangent about Trump. I didn't yield in my argument and they've basically refused to speak to me since. Waiting for Baby Huey over in North Korea to start stirring shit up. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Jan 21 2017, 08:49 AM | ||||
Pretty much how I feel about it.
Tons of stuff isn't on the website because it's still being built (no clue why they didn't have it prepared by inauguration day, but whatever). You'll notice there isn't a page for his much-talked-about immigration policy either. |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Jan 22 2017, 05:50 AM |
| You know what Kyon, nobody's raised that point but yeah you're probably right. |
| Posted by: 207 Jan 25 2017, 08:31 AM |
| why is trump so stuck up on the so called "massive voter fraud"? i dont like him one bit but he's got to move on and act presidential. you cant always get what you want so why does it bother him so much that he lost the popular vote? he got the job/position he wanted in the end anyway. if he can make America great again then let him prove it with his policies if not then he should just go back to being a billionaire business man. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Jan 25 2017, 08:58 AM | ||
Policies like... eliminating voter fraud? ;^) |
| Posted by: APX Jan 25 2017, 09:10 AM |
| Gonna enjoy us digging ourselves more into debt with the sudden signing of the 'wall' he wants to build. Is it going to be like the Berlin wall or a more shitty quality? Either way i'm sure we'll see a tax hike soon. But we can get some more info/links if anybody has them on hand. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 25 2017, 09:24 AM | ||
So kinda like assault weapon bans eliminating gun crime? ;^) You kind of have to have a problem in the first place in order to enact a solution. Unless of course you're a shitlord, in which case you either create a problem and then offer a solution to the problem you created, or you simply offer a solution to a problem that never existed in the first place but sell it so hard that people start believing the problem existed. I'll go with the last one, since he's such a fan of alternative facts and all. |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Jan 25 2017, 12:32 PM |
| Not happy with him crippling the EPA, or going on and on about his Thought the TPP pullout was very appreciated. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Jan 25 2017, 03:35 PM | ||||||||
The wall Mexico will effectively be paying for? I'm not sure that's gonna happen.
False equivalency.
Regardless of whether or not you believe voter fraud exists on a noticeable scale, let's just take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_States In fact, let's see what they look like in your state!
...uh oh! |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 25 2017, 05:14 PM | ||||
How so? If you 'create strong voter ID laws to fight the rampant voter fraud committed by 3 million illegals' you kind of should be proving that there was rampant voter fraud committed by 3 million illegals first. If you don't, then it's no different from the strong 'assault weapons' laws that don't do jack shit about the vast majority of gun crime (which is committed with handguns that aren't assault weapons). You're solving a problem that does not exist.
Heh! Lucky you, I live in this state, and I've voted in this state! As such, lemme walk you through the process. 1.) The state sends a ballot to every vote-capable state resident via registered mail. If you did not register to receive a ballot, you will receive instead a notification of your polling place. If you receive neither, then you can go to your nearest polling place to register (more on that in a moment). 2.) You fill out the ballot if you received one, and either mail it back or seal it in your envelope and drop it off at any polling place. If you received instead your polling location, you visit that location, state your name, they check against their registered voter list, and if you're on it you get a ballot. If you're not, or you lost your ballot, or you didn't receive your ballot, move on to 3. 3.) If you want to register on-the-spot you can, but you'll only get a provisional ballot rather than a real one. You cast it like a normal ballot, and indeed don't have to show ID... but that's because the provisional ballots are then counted separately as they must be individually verified to be from legitimate voters. If you want to read about how shit works in our fine state, check out the following resources: http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/voter-registration.php https://cavotes.org/vote/how-vote/voting-person Hopefully that helps. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Jan 25 2017, 05:38 PM | ||||
We know the specific problem of gun crime used to justify "assault weapons" bans is a problem that doesn't exist. We don't know the true nature and extent of voter fraud conclusively. Another thing that separates the two is the fact that applying strict voter ID laws can have no negative consequence whatsoever - you're either a citizen with the right to vote or you are not. Doesn't really get much simpler.
Thanks for the clarification about provisional ballots, but for instance, who do you think runs the polling stations in sanctuary cities? AFAIK it's 100% super illegal to ask for ID for anything government-related in CA, and since the DMV will pretty much give you an ID (as they can't ask if you're a citizen) you could probably pull it off even in non-sanctuary cities. In other news, https://worldisraelnews.com/state-department-freezes-obamas-221m-gift-palestinians/ |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 25 2017, 06:10 PM | ||||
It depends on how you want to define 'conclusively'. It's kind of like how Jill Stein justifies her batshit crazy conspiracy theory dog-whistling with "We're just asking questions." No, you're dog-whistling and giving legitimacy to bullshit. Prove it's a problem first, because so far all of the evidence we have says that it's not. If you can provide evidence that it is, then I'll change my stance. Then again, we're living in the era of alternative facts, so... As for 'no negative consequence whatsoever', the problem is that it depends on how the law is actually written. There were certain states that were located in the southern half of the country and were ostensibly right-leaning that enacted voter ID laws which were then struck down as being unconstitutional due to putting undue burden on the individual to prove that they were a citizen. It failed constitutional muster. It's easy enough to suggest a voter ID law, but it's not so easy to actually write one.
You're quite welcome. However, I will not let you get away with what you did right after that first comma--begging the question. You're trying to assert that fraud exists where it has not been shown to exist. You're suggesting, without evidence, that California just ignores its own laws in order to allow people to illegally vote. Unless you have some evidence to back up that statement, then your baseless comment runs afoul of the actual evidence I just presented from the CA government itself. To receive a state ID from the DMV, you require your social security number, corroborating ID (previous CA ID, out-of-state ID, passport, birth certificate), and two documents to prove residency (utility bill, title to property, pay stub). You can find this information on the CA DMV's website http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/id-cards.php. It is not "100% super illegal" to ask ID for anything government-related in CA and I literally have no idea where the hell you got that from. I've lived here since 2007 and yes, I get asked for ID for government-related stuff. How do you think I got my firearms licenses? How do you think I got my CA ID after moving from NY? How do you think I registered to vote in the first place? Hopefully this helps clear things up. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Jan 25 2017, 07:12 PM | ||||||||||||||
Again, we shouldn't have to prove the current existence of voter fraud to want to ensure it never happens in the future, as long as doing that doesn't end up infringing on peoples' rights.
>muh alternative facts kek, you keep parroting this all over the place. It's literally a phrase Conway made up on the spot in the middle of an interview which - if taken in the context of said interview - makes sense. People taking this shit so seriously just end up looking like they have to latch onto any little thing to validate their narrative. Don't be that guy.
Obviously. This applies to every law and has no bearing on whether the idea of the law itself is justified or not.
Actually, it kinda is. Ready? All persons voting in any U.S. general election are required to present a valid form of identification verifying their citizenship status (driver's license/ID, passport, military ID, etc.). If they cannot do so, they cannot vote. Woah.
Therein lies the problem, because if illegals are getting driver's licenses (more on this in the next paragraph) and committing voter fraud "legally", there is no evidence left behind to examine.
We're mixing up IDs with driver's licenses, my bad. There's a big difference here, as you do not even need to present an SSN in order to get one, and as icing on the cake you can automatically be registered to vote through the application. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/bb16ade8-ef21-4400-85a0-5811783eda1f/dl44sample.pdf?MOD=AJPERES And by the way, that bit in the voter registration field about filling out a form doesn't even apply, thanks to http://myfreshnews.com/california-signs-law-allowing-illegals-vote
Anecdotal evidence from another CA friend whose father is a government worker. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 25 2017, 07:51 PM | ||||||||||||
Therein lies the issue. If it's 'so easy', clearly the states trying to enact one shouldn't have had a problem of running afoul of constitutional law, but they did. You have to be very careful about how you phrase the law, and have to do so in the context of existing law, and defend it against the law of the land--the constitution. When I say write, I mean actually write, as in what you have to do in order to pass a law and have it function properly. Woah.
Sorry, I'm gonna be that guy. Sean Spicer, Press Secretary of the White House, defended 'alternative facts' thusly: "The press was trying to make it seem like we were ignoring the facts. The facts are, sometimes when you look at a situation, in the same way that you can look at a weather report. One weather report comes out and says it's going to be cloudy, and another says it's going to be light rain. No one lied to you. It just means you interpreted the data in a way that you felt got you to a conclusion." No, Sean Spicer, alternative facts are like getting yesterday's weather report wrong.
Still off. If you're talking about driver's licenses specifically, then the law you're trying to quote is Assembly Bill 60 from 2015. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/11a86d62-f848-4012-bc7d-4192bdef4f00/doc_req_matrix.pdf?MOD=AJPERES And http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/ab-60-drivers-license.php Hope this helps.
I just read through https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1461. Scroll down to Chapter 4.5, which is the actual law. You will find the following text:
So, by the actual text of the law itself, this is merely a means to also submit voting registration records that coincide with applying for an ID or Driver's License to the State the exact same way you would register to vote. Don't take my word for it--read the bill yourself.
Your friend is feeding you incorrect information, or more likely, is feeding you misconstrued information. There may be some situations where you don't need to flash an ID, but I have run into several government-related situations where I needed to provide ID, so the crux of his statement is inherently false. |
| Posted by: 207 Jan 25 2017, 09:41 PM | ||
i dont mind if he strengthens voter fraud measures but he really does fixate on such ridiculous claims/arguments. didnt they go over this massive voter fraud thing in the last month or 2 of the election campaign and prove his claims were widely overstated? he has a flair for the dramatic and overstating things. heck, they even fixated on the crowd turn out. go ahead strengthen measures to cut down on voter fraud but dont huuugely overstate the numbers to justify your moves. did this become a big pissing contest to see whose numbers were greater? he's made some huge economic choices and still a good amount of things which id call childish issues. he has had a few too may screws loose in his head for many years and im just seeing then more as he indulges in his fantasies. he likes to see big numbers roll his way and raises a huge fuss when they dont point to him. get on with it and focus on the real numbers ie jobs, wages?, economy, social plans?, new heath care plan etc etc |
| Posted by: APX Jan 25 2017, 09:50 PM | ||
The one tax payers will be paying for is going to happen. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Jan 26 2017, 09:26 AM | ||||||||||||||||
So what, you think they did that by accident?
This looks mad easy to forge yourself into, especially in sanctuary cities.
Not exactly. See:  Image size reduced, original size: 1748 x 616. https://puu.sh/tBc39/9d3f812cf1.png to view the image in its original dimension. There is no solid citizenship verification listed as needed here. In fact, as described by the law...
...all you have to do is lie.
Again, it's hard to prove anything conclusively about voter fraud.
The left fixated on the crowd turnout, not the Trump administration. People, on a very large scale, purported falsehoods about the crowd size. The administration corrected this information and then the MSM pounced on it and inflamed the situation even more. For the record:  Image size reduced, original size: 976 x 1200. https://i.redd.it/qy5kix2ycwby.jpg to view the image in its original dimension.
As Spicer said in, I think it was the first or second official press briefing, people are tired of hearing what Trump can't do. The narrative has constantly been negative, so the response has always been to fight back, ergo he boasts a lot. He probably does that a lot anyway, who cares?
Whether it's proactive or retroactive, they will be paying for it (for better or worse).  |
| Posted by: APX Jan 26 2017, 09:34 AM |
| Those the protestors in the back? This is America, we don't speak the ching ching chong talk. False media at it's finest. So, where's the proof? So far the only proof he has said as of today is that American's will pay for the taxes upfront, then maybe mexico will pay for it. Which another President, well and a former President of Mexico stated "lol no." |
| Posted by: xiao Jan 26 2017, 11:54 AM | ||
Whether Mexico will pay for it within his presidency or even our lifetime; remember to look at the bright-side. ☆ I for one need a job & since I'm at border ~ hell a construction gig might not be such a bad-idea if they don't do a background check. You need a jorb too & you're approx 2-hours away from San Diego ... so get crackalakin' like your little sis xiao! $$ cha-ching! |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 26 2017, 02:58 PM | ||||||
No, I don't. It doesn't change the fact that things are not nearly as simple as you seem to think they are. By all means, though, pursue a career in constitutional law. I'm sure it would be enlightening.
Do you have any evidence for your seemingly baseless claim? If you have no evidence of it occurring, then I will point out your lack of evidence. If you do have evidence, provide it. "It looks that way" is insufficient, as I'm sure there are lots of things that 'seem' that way but aren't. For instance, firearms purchase agreements include the question, "Are you a felon?" You would think you could just answer 'no' there, but that doesn't mean they don't then find out whether you actually are or not. Evidence, evidence, evidence, evidence, evidence!
That doesn't cover what the Secretary of State has to do in order to verify eligibility, it's only what is submitted during voter registration--which is the same whether or not it's the DMV doing it. Now, if you have a problem with how voter registration in general works that's another thing entirely, but it's also a different part of California law not covered by this bill, and is completely independent of this bill. You are shaking AB1461 like it's some bogeyman without understanding what it does in its own text, because apparently you're more willing to believe some far-right website's interpretation than the law itself. Again, if you don't believe me, you can go ahead and look at the actual California code referenced in order to see how voter registration in general works and how the Secretary of State verifies eligibility for each citizen. Don't take my word for it, and don't take some bullshit website's word for it either. Do your own legwork. |
| Posted by: APX Jan 26 2017, 03:55 PM | ||
Your geography of where you think I live is appalling lol. I'm no where near two hours away from San Diego. That's about the time I can reach Bakersfield on the 5. (Nomake knows this, well depending on where he's at when he travels down here) or maybe another hour if there's traffic going through the grapevine. Lol. Also funny to have trump say he'll have a 20% tax increase on goods from Mexico coming in. Meaning well be paying more for products, which is basically what the post above was about, ultimately well be dropping money to something that does not work, period. How has the fence been doing? Not well if we're talking about a wall now that will crumble or be destroyed in certain areas on a daily basis, furthering the dumping of "our" money into it. Pointless but it made a point for brainwashed people who think it's going to do something. |
| Posted by: xiao Jan 26 2017, 04:09 PM | ||
My sense of direction is like Ryoga from Ranma 1/2 ... and I have u'r address!! XD We have a little loop on I-10 here our city calls "the psghetti bowl" ~ I can only imagine what the grapevine is with the stories I've heard of LA traffic bruv ~ @__@ omg |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Jan 27 2017, 04:44 PM |
| That 20% tax thing I fear might spark a trade war. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Jan 30 2017, 09:11 PM |
| So, from what I can ascertain, the Muslim ban was carried our willy-nilly by I say we better start getting prepared for President Pence. Because at this rate, Trump won't last long. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 30 2017, 11:13 PM |
| How so? The only legal way to expunge him would be for the Legislative branch to do something about it, and they won't. If you want to harbor that particular dreamland, then you had better fucking vote in the midterm elections. Otherwise I don't want to hear about it. |
| Posted by: RalliKai Jan 31 2017, 07:35 AM | ||
The temporary "Muslim ban" is based on 7 countries vetted by the previous administration. No where in the executive order is there a mention of people being restricted based on their religious affiliation. The moratorium itself isn't as bothersome to me as the way it was implemented as well as being done with only a skeleton cabinet. Alot of headache could have been avoided with a simple 24 hour notice that would have atleast allowed enough time to properly brief DHS officials and prevented Green card holders from being stopped at the airports. To put it shortly, the WH botched the execution completely and are paying the PR price for it. I don't see a temporary ban as necessary to have our immigration vetting system reviewed but I don't see it as the horrid act as it's being portrayed by many either. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Jan 31 2017, 08:35 AM | ||
Exactly. There is the matter of priority access promised to persecuted Christians, but the key word there which people seem blind to is "persecuted". Of course, I'm sure Jews are just as persecuted in the countries on the list, so the administration would do better to more appropriately encompass people in this priority list. You could argue the priority list is pointless entirely since anyone could just say they're Christians, unless the vetting process involves thorough checks into religious backgrounds that would reveal a recent conversion... it's just a big headache for basically nothing. It should just stay as-is, no one gets special treatment for their religion, everyone stay out ree. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 31 2017, 09:29 AM | ||
He's prioritizing Christians because look what party he has to pander to. Which, in and of itself, makes this a religion-based EO. Then of course you have the whole thing about the purpose being, and I quote from the EO itself:
Wow, what a noble goal, protecting the US from these dang Muslim terrorists. Except...wait a minute here...shit, what countries were all of those people from? Oh right, none of the places that this ban affects. Instead, this ban decides to affect countries where our troops are still based, leading to rather interesting commentary from the Iraqi military who have been fighting alongside us to stop terrorism about how it sends the message that the US sees them as nothing but terrorists. Good stuff. I posted these on FB earlier, but I guess I'll share them here too. Little light reading for y'all. http://www1.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2017/01/27/brody-file-exclusive-president-trump-says-persecuted-christians-will-be-given-priority-as-refugees https://lawfareblog.com/malevolence-tempered-incompetence-trumps-horrifying-executive-order-refugees-and-visas EDIT: As a bonus, here's one for that whole EO about "if you implement a reg you have to remove two regs" shit. Enjoy: https://twitter.com/i/moments/826172897836269573 |
| Posted by: RalliKai Jan 31 2017, 12:56 PM | ||
One area where I agree. I understand Iraq's central government isn't stable but including them and Iran on the travel ban was foolish simply due to U.S. forces on the ground with Allied Iraqi and Kurdish forces. |
| Posted by: APX Jan 31 2017, 01:22 PM |
| I like how he fired the acting attorney general for someone who didn't like what he signed (the ban) Wish everybody can do that, you know, fire someone for one thing they don't like. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Jan 31 2017, 04:18 PM | ||
Fixed. And they can, it happens all the time. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 1 2017, 11:52 AM |
| http://imgur.com/a/EORaO So here's our esteemed president's Black History Month speech, for anyone who cares. While the whole thing is nothing short of inspirational big-league speech mastery, one of my favorite lines is "But I don't watch CNN, so I don't get to see you as much. I don't like watching fake news." On top of having nothing to do with Black History Month, well... https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/794259252613414915  |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Feb 1 2017, 12:03 PM | ||
Wow, checkmate, Drumpf. |
| Posted by: xiao Feb 1 2017, 12:36 PM | ||
| I remember when Satellite Surveillance & hacking CIA/FBI data outta Top Secret servers was a national pastime ~ Now all we do is break our heads over iPhones, dissect elections, & nitpick the Prez's grammar on myspace ... Where's the 007 James Bond fun in all of that…?? Our fat-asses are getting lazy. We need some SpyGame™ with Bratt Pitt type of cheeze to make government exciting once again! --- --- --- Speech was nothing more than a breakfast club at Tiffany's brunch ☆
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| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 1 2017, 03:29 PM |
| For a fun comparison, here are speeches from 2007 and 2008 from THAT NIGGA YA LOVE TA HATE, BIG DUBZ: https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2007/02/20070212-5.html https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/02/20080212-3.html You know, just for giggles. |
| Posted by: RalliKai Feb 1 2017, 05:15 PM |
| On a more serious note, it being tax season and I'm digging around seeing if the ACA mandate is still being enforced. I wasn't insured through part of the year and would like to avoid the damn penalty again. Haven't found anything that officially says if it is or not. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 1 2017, 06:30 PM |
| Yes, it's still being enforced. https://www.learnvest.com/2017/01/why-todays-big-obamacare-deadline-still-matters-to-you/ |
| Posted by: xiao Feb 1 2017, 08:05 PM |
Nothing much we can do about the wall & tax thingies tho' …  I voted for Bush & subsequently McCain ~ Next time I'm voting for Kanye & Hellboy ~ ☆ (if they run together)for reference → I was impaired from voting this election … |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 1 2017, 08:50 PM |
| Except vote in the midterm elections if we don't like how things are going. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: RalliKai Feb 2 2017, 09:02 AM |
| I've voted in presidential and mid-term election since hitting 18. Also, hard-left and anarcho UC Berkeley students (certain not all were students) are setting the bar for "Unhinged". http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38837142 |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 2 2017, 11:31 AM |
| Yeah, on the one hand I'm depressed because I had no idea he was gonna be speaking nearby because I would've gone, and on the other hand I'm glad I didn't go because it ended up being cancelled anyway and then riots. Berzerkley indeed. |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Feb 2 2017, 12:25 PM | ||
| "The fascists of the future will be called anti-fascists." Fuckin' animals, man. Welcome to Tolerance 2017.
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| Posted by: Master0fMadness Feb 7 2017, 01:51 PM | ||
Why don't you tell me not to forget to breathe while I'm at it? *eyeroll* Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, presenting with the help of Mike Pence to nuke the filibuster, our new Secretary of Education, Betsy DeVos! Kill me now. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Feb 9 2017, 03:04 PM |
| And now, Attorney General Jeff Sessions! [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 9 2017, 03:14 PM |
 I am getting so much mileage out of this and we're only on month 2 of 48. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Feb 13 2017, 10:04 PM |
| John Oliver's evil twin is now Secretary of Treasury. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 13 2017, 10:54 PM |
| And his National Security Advisor stepped down, too, since he was caught being a scumbag in a way that didn't jive with the accepted world-view of the leading group. Thankfully it's not so bad having a wacko like Flynn resign, and it does prove that perhaps it's not so great to surround yourself with incompetent yes-men when you yourself are incompetent, but it does bring with it The Pence Dilemma: Which is, of course, who is replacing Flynn on a permanent basis? Is it going to be someone less or more crazy than he was? |
| Posted by: RalliKai Feb 14 2017, 07:36 AM |
| Ret. Lt. General Keith Kellog is now the acting national security advisor. Whether that becomes permanent has yet to be seen. It was going to be him or Petraeus I thought. I understand Trump values loyalty but your cabinet cannot be comprised of a bunch of "yes-men" competing with each other for favor. |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Feb 15 2017, 07:00 PM |
HAHAHA, the guy in charge who bungled installing the transitionary government in Iraq?  |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 15 2017, 10:36 PM |
| In other news, the Carls/Hardees guy is a no-go for labor secretary. Something about being unelectable. I think he gave up too early--just look at the rest of Trump's cabinet! They got in, so you totally had a chance! We're one month in and already there's been more absolute shit than the past three presidencies (24 years!) combined. Okay, that's an exaggeration...but the sad bit is it's not that much of one. Every day I wake up and there's some new nonsense, and on most days you get at least three new amazing new incidents to wrestle with. It's astounding.  Image size reduced, original size: 960 x 828. http://i.imgur.com/9bd8NK1.png to view the image in its original dimension. I'm just waiting to hear back from the Trump voters I know as to how long the rest of us are supposed to 'wait and see' before officially calling this presidency the shit-show it is. They've been letting the non-Trump-voters talk undisputed too much in this thread lately, I think. Come on, Trump voters! Don't worry, we won't bite--we'd just like to have an adult discussion with facts and evidence and snarky smiley faces! EDIT: Hey, can we talk about how the GOP wants to "move on" from investigations into their latest shitstorm...the same GOP that did, what, 30 investigations into Benghazi over 2 years? Or how about this gem right here, straight from the man himself:  What a great idea, President Trump! EDIT 2: Holy fuck he's holding a press conference. A reporter just asked him what specifically he's going to do about the inner cities since that was a strong message he used as part of his platform. HE SAID NOTHING FOR TEN MINUTES. "We're gonna be strong on inner cities." He then just told a bunch of stories about inner cities. ZERO POLICY. ZERO!! Holy fuck, then he asks the reporter--who asked if he was including the CBC in the hearings--to set up the meeting because she's black so she must be able to do it! Trump voters, please, how? What is it about this guy that made you go, "Yeppers, this guy totally earned my ballot!" He has zero policy! Nothing! He just talks and talks and says nothing! I don't understand it! I don't understand how I have friends who are perfectly intelligent human beings who honestly cast a vote for this person thinking it was a good idea! EDIT 3: https://twitter.com/Diane_7A/status/832310730925961218 Uranium's bad mmkay? |
| Posted by: xiao Feb 17 2017, 09:45 AM | ||
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| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 17 2017, 09:56 AM |
| And still crickets from the Trump voters. Come on! You all thought it was a great idea, right!? You had faith in him as your president, right!? So come on out and defend your convictions! [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: xiao Feb 17 2017, 10:06 AM |
| Hindsight 20/20 in some far distant future ~ I think we'll all look back in retrospect when living under a new form of autonomous rule ... akin to be called something like ~ I don't know maybe 'The United States of Google' And we'll laugh to ourselves & say: "Remember when our country, filled with so much vast awe-some land & beautiful people of diverse cultures & backgrounds, was governed by 45+ congressionally elected buffoons and an exo-democracy whence rule wasn't actually ... ya' know democratic per se?" And we'll laugh ~ cause everyone will be rich and young and healthy & remember that human beings in general are either lawful or chaotic good - but good nonetheless! And there's actually no need for the law because ~ the law was already written in our hearts from birth to death & possibly beyond~ ღ ..... yeah ~ one day! |
| Posted by: RalliKai Feb 17 2017, 11:40 AM | ||
He's dismantling the ACA so I'm actually kind of pleased so far and I'm not even a Trump surrogate. Outside of the sand kicking that's going on between both parties and the media, I'm surprised with the amount Angry Orange has pushed through and the equal amount of hysteria coming from the left. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 17 2017, 11:48 AM |
| Dismantling the ACA without a replacement is a good thing? I'm sorry if I don't quite see eye-to-eye with you on that, what with my health insurance coming directly from the ACA and all. If it's dismantled and has nothing to replace it--which he has admitted is the case--then I'm back to the situation I was in a decade ago when I nearly had to declare bankruptcy at age 21 because of a single ER visit. No thanks. And the amount he's pushed through...such as what, exactly? I mean, no doubt he's been going ham with the executive orders, but a tragic few are actually worth talking about in a reasonably positive light. Are there any particular ones that you think are worth discussing as a net positive? Do the net positive orders count as a majority or a minority of what he's 'pushed through'? Kind of important questions. "He's just doing what he said he would on the campaign trail" and "he's been doing a lot of stuff" are not valid defenses of his insane policies. Those campaign promises were insane when they were on the campaign trail and they're still insane now. Plus you still have that his administration, only a month in, is now caught in even crazier shit than what he accused Hillary of and oh, wait, no, we don't wanna talk about that, can't we just move on? Why don't we just ignore all of this, because MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.  And Xiao, we get it, you don't like it when people get 'heated' online, but hopefully I can get some solid answers from Trump voters here without too much jazz hands getting in the way, eh? |
| Posted by: xiao Feb 17 2017, 12:00 PM | ||
☆ I know I know ~ I'm sorry haha ...  ♥ ~ |
| Posted by: RalliKai Feb 17 2017, 01:33 PM | ||
It was because of the ACA that I was kicked off my insurance originally and had to go without health coverage up until only 6 months ago because the premiums were just too far out of my budget. Had a few scares along the way. Do I want a replacement in short order once there is a repeal? Absolutely. Revival of the keystone pipeline, picking Judge Gorsich, withdrawel from TPP, along with ongoing deregulations. That doesn't even touch the travel ban for all its controversy and how shortlived it was (for now). No big legislation has been pushed through but what he's done isn't peanuts. What's seen as a "net positive" to one person under their circumstances though may be seen as negative to another. I think the level of polarization in this country speaks for itself in that regard. I haven't agreed with all his moves nor his appointments but I see some of what was listed above as positive and I feel more positives coming from his proposed plans than I do negatives. Particularly in the potential for improving economic and wage growth. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 17 2017, 01:51 PM | ||||
| Once I'm not on mobile I'll go through what he's done since the inauguration and list positive/negative item by item. That should make it much more clear where I'm coming from, and why the majority of what he's done has been a net negative thus far. Or more Trump voters can offer their thoughts, that would be pretty awesome too. I do agree that withdrawing from the TPP and restarting DAPL were good moves, but then he goes and kills net neutrality and ruins everything, so... EDIT: I'm back. Here we go. Spoiler because this is a huuuuuuge bitch. EXECUTIVE ORDERS:
So out of 12 EOs, we have and 1 positive, 4 negative and 7 neutral. Hardly a net positive, and most of them don't actually do anything and are nothing but a waste of time. Let's move on. EXECUTIVE MEMORANDUMS:
For the 12 memorandums, we have 4 positive, 3 negative and 5 neutral. Slightly positive, but memorandums don't have as much effect as EOs. Still not a good split. Let's move right along to the people Trump surrounds himself with and puts into power. You see, for this one, I'm just going to go ahead and say that the one person I respect is Mattis, and the one person I don't know about yet is Gorsuch because he doesn't have enough of a record in issues I care about. He does have some interesting beliefs regarding religion--saying one thing and then doing another--but I'll keep him neutral for now. Then you have Betsy DeVos, who has a distaste for public education and a love of private religious academies. As her first act in office, she sent out a letter that essentially said, "All you school districts should keep abiding by that one anti-discrimination thing and whatever, but just FYI, we're gonna try to strike it down so you might not have to care but for now you do so keep up the good work." You can read her letter here: https://www2.ed.gov/documents/press-releases/02102017-essa-letter.pdf Next up we have Steve Bannon. 'Nuff said. Next we have Ajit Pai, Trump's head of the FCC, whose first action in office was to kill the investigation into zero rating by several cellular companies for violating net neutrality. He was a clear opponent of net neutrality before being placed in that position and it's obvious he's going to do his best to kill it while there. Total net negative for normal people, but I guess if you work for a service provider in upper management you're taking a sick vacation right about now to celebrate. I don't fall into that category, so this is definitely a no-go. Next is Scott Pruit, head of the EPA, who hates the EPA and denies that any change in climate over the course of human industrialization has anything to do with human industrialization. Net negative. Oh, how about Rick Perry to head the DoE? The same department he couldn't remember the name of during a debate. The same one that, during his confirmation hearing, he had this to say about: "My past statements made over five years ago about abolishing the Department of Energy do not reflect my current thinking. In fact, after being briefed on so many of the vital functions of the Department of Energy, I regret recommending its elimination." Oh man, my bad, I had no idea they actually served a purpose when I shouted about axing them completely, my bad! And none of this--none of this--gets into Trump's day-to-day activities where he makes shit up, spouts off blatant lies, proves his incompetence, gets into fights on Twitter, claims that everything he doesn't like is fake news, and causes several snafus. Nor does it touch on the national security issue that he'd like to sweep under the rug and not talk about, nor does it touch on himself and his fellows doing many of the same things they accused Hillary of at the top of their lungs, nor does it touch on the fact that Trump still can't separate his previous businesses from the presidency, nor does it touch on Kellyanne Conway... I can keep going! That's the sad part--I can keep going! It's a comedy. Actually it's a tragedy for the American people, but it's at least comical how ridiculous Trump's picks have been. So, in short, there's my analysis of why this has, so far, been a net negative. Discuss. |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Feb 19 2017, 07:27 AM |
| I'm not a fan of pipelines at all, but everything else I totally agree with. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Sensation! Feb 19 2017, 09:44 AM | ||
Since my name was brought up
I think its worded rather poorly. It can be taken to mean it will exclude Non-US citizens and Lawful Permanent residents, or it will exclude Non-US citizens and not lawful permanent residents. (ie: Carl is not smart or attractive. Carl is not smart and Carl is not attractive, rather than Carl is not smart, but Carl is attractive) Only the big bosses know what its supposed to mean. That said there's several types of immigration classes, This DOES however mean that those under student or work visa's aren't subject to the privacy act. Legally, a permanent resident refers ONLY to those who hold green cards. So if you don't have a green card and aren't a US citizen, you can legally be snooped on. Do I think it sucks? yep. Do I think its necessary? not really. Do I think does anything? I think screening and vetting should happen prior to issuing people visas. At least that's how it should be in an ideal world. That said, as an immigrant in a foreign country, you sort of have to expect to be scrutinized, and as sad as it sounds, you really can't expect equal representation or treatment. You weren't invited to come, so it's up to the graciousness of the house. After all, their house, their rules and their people can show you kindness or skepticism. I'm 100% okay with that and any peaceful immigrant to any foreign place should put away the notion of expecting to be treated as a king. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 19 2017, 10:18 AM |
| @MoM: We've had this discussion before. The facts of the pipelines in question show that the primary arguments against them are total and complete bullshit. They were halted for political reasons to look good in front of terrorist snowflakes. @Sensation: Whoops, I may have misread, shiz. I thought it had said it excludes lawful permanent residents. It's still questionable but it's not as bad as my first reading. Won't change the verdict. I don't expect you to be treated like a king--just as a human being. I do agree that the vetting takes place before issuing a Visa and if someone disagrees then that is in itself disagreeing with the vetting process. So, that being the case, lay out your disagreements with said process and work them out. Trump, to my knowledge, has not done that. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: 207 Feb 24 2017, 01:26 PM | ||
this is one of the finniest jokes i came across so far. Seth Meyers did a great job here.
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| Posted by: Master0fMadness Mar 4 2017, 01:16 PM |
| And now we have Rick Perry in charge of the department of Energy and Ben Carson in charge of housing and urban development. Yep. Pretty boned. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: 207 Mar 5 2017, 01:08 PM |
| i guess Obama found trump's paper cup and tube main phone line and hooked into it without trump's permission. i honestly dont know whatever trump will think of next, this newest unfounded claim just add to a long list already. i cant wait to see a pic proving a 3rd cup was connected to trumps phone line. though its probably a sideffect of staying up late posting comments on social media sites. |
| Posted by: Master0fMadness Mar 6 2017, 02:43 PM |
| "I just found out They tapped my wires!" Seriously, this guy, just... ugh... Is it any surprise why his administration is leaking like a civ? And hey, check who's hitting the Sunday morning talk shows!  Image size reduced, original size: 720 x 960. http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj62/reijidorifuta/0BF0CBB8-D2B2-42C9-84B4-E8302F61FBCA.jpg~original to view the image in its original dimension. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Mar 6 2017, 03:23 PM |
| And before Kyonpalm can chime in, that an Obama press secretary said "I know Obama did not do any such thing but I literally have no way of telling you about the goings-on of the justice department" is not a "smoking gun" vilifying Sigh. I was hoping the whole fact-checking critical-thinking-faculty-use shit would end once the election ended but boy was I wrong... [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: 207 Apr 24 2017, 06:26 PM |
| say what you want about this but it literally took me only 2 minutes to arrange the pic but IMO it rings very true for him. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 24 2017, 07:01 PM | ||
Make great deals! |
| Posted by: 207 Apr 24 2017, 07:43 PM | ||
lol and somehow he finds time for golf 2-3 times a week well look at the bright side, at least he isnt golfing 24/7. he divides the time equally between golf and twitter rants or is this one of the golf's secrets: invite foreign dignitaries/powerful people for a few round of golf to cunduct business on many thousand hectares of land better spent on better/more eficient use than hitting a ball with a crocked stick. atleast he got the crocked part right. im honestly not surprised he hasnt done much so far. he apparently cant close deals, rants like an angry 8 yr old boy on twitter, makes crazy claims/proposals, obsessed with ratings/suspense, places blame on everyone else for his own failures/deficiencies, isnt a fan of the environment unless it directly makes him more money, cant seem to remember his claims/selective memory span, lives in alternate universe with "alternative" facts, not very supportive of any reliable government intelligence agencies, a NOOB when it comes to foreign policies, has only 1 mode: crazy, very thin skin, doesnt know what diplomacy is, lives in LALA land, having tax returns under constant review to deny the population a clear picture of his life/hide questionable deals and just in general blows smoke up into everyones' asses. im sure i missed a few dozen other things but who cares about that any?? its just "Fake news" edit: i forget to mention the vacuous comments on his plans and how things are actually going. i post this picture with great regret as id rather not connect the 2 topics but i must do so |
| Posted by: xiao Apr 24 2017, 11:00 PM | ||
| Out of all the important candidates running for Prez in 2020: ・ Bernie ・ Hillary ・ Kanye ・ Perlman ・ Oprah Winfrey ・ Arnold ・ Trump ・ Snoop I think the one who promises to legalize Marijuana on a Nationwide scale (Oprah) will win the heart & vote of America.
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| Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 25 2017, 05:51 AM | ||
Just more reminders of how ridiculous this is. So Trump voters, how we doin'? Makin' America Great Again yet? |
| Posted by: xiao Apr 25 2017, 08:49 AM |
| And that is why I like late night talk shows http://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/827169996866347008 |
| Posted by: 207 Apr 25 2017, 09:02 AM | ||
i think you got he wrong tweet screen there. i beleive this is the right one. |
| Posted by: APX Apr 27 2017, 12:18 AM |
| That wall looks pretty good, can't believe he actually did it! /Sarcasm |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 27 2017, 07:21 AM |
| Yeah and pulling out of NAFTA and NATO and the UN! Wew lad, Mr. President sure is a strong leader who doesn't take shit from anyone! America First! Make America Great Again! I can only hope that the DNC doesn't push some fucking idiot in 2020. They would literally have to be completely and utterly retarded to lose. Which...hey, they could be, don't get me wrong. I just hope they aren't, because 2020 has got to be one of the easiest elections to win away from the standing president. |
| Posted by: 207 Apr 27 2017, 08:06 AM | ||
of course, its the greatest wall ever personally built by him. he just wants to do his crazy ideas regardless of how things work in real life. just look at how many walls against common sense he's built and the many other walls he's come up against. its quite the 100 day legacy he's built with walls already.honestly the scariest thing with pres trump*vomit* i find is his game of chicken with North Korea. yes both leaders of USA and NK are bonkers and they both hate to be out-crazied by other nation leaders. its a game in which leader will chicken out first without causing a new world war. as a Canadian, id rate trump as an E- rating simply BC war hasnt broken out yet but he gets a A+ for wall building. maybe trump should change his main motto to this "Trump First! Make Trump Great Again!" |
| Posted by: kyonpalm Apr 27 2017, 08:19 AM | ||
Careful. ;^) |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 27 2017, 09:54 AM | ||
Hey man, like I said, the DNC proved themselves incompetent once already. The question is whether they're willing to take that risk a second time now that they've experienced the full fury of the last election. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: 207 May 1 2017, 09:18 PM |
| well thats some great news, it looks like trump is doing a great job so far. all he's doing is blowing smoke up his ass and also into USA's ass. he's made crazy claims but hasnt yet been able follow thru on them. it looks like the world so far can call these 1-4 years a mild bout of insanity and get back to reality IF the DNC does its job properly and puts up a good candidate to bring USA back to its senses. he's starting to admit the job wasnt "very easy" as he previously thought. something tells me not to hold my breath for an apology for his actions so far. id like to say all the things he's done so far are easily repairable under a proper president but his distaste for the general state of the environment really does worry me. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan May 2 2017, 04:53 AM |
| That's because to compete with the industrial complex that is China, you have to turn the US into China. |
| Posted by: 207 May 2 2017, 06:54 AM | ||
its fine if one dreams with their heads above the clouds but its much harder to do so if you cant raise your head above the smoke/smog clouds from your "progress". does he have the old mentality where the bigger smoke clouds mean more progress in the economy?? |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan May 2 2017, 07:21 AM | ||
I don't think he has a mentality. That may be giving him a little too much credit. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: 207 May 2 2017, 08:54 AM | ||||
he might've been a good pres if his head wasnt stuck in his ass. he's too ignorant of the world around him. he thinks too highly of himself and likely the universe revolves around him only. his economic model/actions are rather cold hearted but the rules of economy were always cut throat. that Seth Meyers monologue was one of the better ones so far
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| Posted by: APX May 5 2017, 12:17 AM |
| Well, Obamacare was repealed. Might have to do some research on this since that's my only provider. But what are your thoughts on this, IDW? |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan May 5 2017, 12:28 AM |
 Image size reduced, original size: 960 x 720. http://i.imgur.com/HUQI3MB.jpg to view the image in its original dimension. GO TEAM GOP! |
| Posted by: xiao May 8 2017, 03:28 AM |
| Serious question. (not rhetorical) How's the economy doing compared to Obama's administration? --- --- --- I like ragging on all Politicians from Hitler to Mother Teresa but... I've been unemployed since 2008, with a few stints here & there, thanks to not being able to erase my name from a stupid Federal database and its overpaid employees/employers. But the only actual difference I've noticed in my life are: 1. More expensive electronics, ie. Cellphones 2. Higher Taxes on physical goods 3. More barriers to getting shit done, ie. getting a job Granted that's not the Government's fault... since jobs are given by Private Companies, that work more like elitist clubs that could deny you a job cause... lolol it's my Company, I can hire who ever the fuck I want wwwww- ...albeit the HR recruiters give you the spiel a bit more nicely.  I've never had healthcare or relied on the Govt for anything ~ hence why my teeth are so bad, I don't have a computer, and deal with disease like a poor Mexican. I would know. But watching Trump is like watching Obama and all the other 43 Stooges and their elected Knights of the Round this nation I was born in has ever had. I see no actual difference. But I guess those 3 problems I mentioned up there all have to do with the minimum wage being raised-up in the half a decade I was lockdown'd in a box, so everything's SNAFU as usual in Washington. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan May 8 2017, 05:22 AM | ||
Too early to tell. His fiscal year only just started a month ago. 1. That's not really fair. The cost of computing in general has plummeted overall over time. There was a minor blip upwards when Thailand went underwater and took a shitload of HDD manufacturing with it, but we've long since recovered from that and costs have gone down. As for cellphones, in general people do not buy them wholesale and instead get them through a subsidy from their provider. For instance, my amazing top-of-the-line iPhone 6S+ was the low-low price of trading in my 5c, dropping $100, and then paying $17/mo. So sure, the phone itself would've been what, over $1000 had I bought it without a cell plan? But you kind of need a plan to use a cell phone, so it makes sense to just get the phone through a provider and not pay full price up front. 2. Higher taxes is true, but I'd have to do a little more in-depth research to tell you whether your point is actually accurate at a federal level. Here in California where I've lived since 2007 it's true, but when it comes to physical goods that's not a federal tax, it's an increase in state sales tax. Is that the fault of the administration, or the fault of the state, or the fault of the local government (since each city has a different sales tax)? Where does the buck stop for you? 3. This one's tough too. I would argue that this has less to do with an administration than it does the companies themselves shifting their hiring practices out of pure capitalistic tendencies. While there is one specific example I can give to where an administration needs to step in and force a change (namely the H-1B program literally being used to displace American labor, the opposite of its intention), the biggest roadblock to getting jobs nowadays is an increase in the minimum level of education required for 'skilled' jobs and a shift to algorithmic digital hiring practices. Unlike in the past where you could at least get your foot in the door with a decent first impression and a relevant resume, now you had better have a degree and/or vetted industry training, and even then you won't get anywhere by just showing up to a business and shaking hands and exchanging resumes. You have to submit to a computer system which will drop you in an instant if you don't match up with whatever algorithm they happen to be using to filter out applicants. So I guess the real question is...can you be more specific? What time period are you referring to with these, and can you clarify your questions a little more? |
| Posted by: xiao May 8 2017, 06:27 AM | ||||
It was more complaining about my current situation than it was an overview on recent US Economics. My mom (who voted Hilary) out of the blue told me yesterday... 'Did you know that for all that people rag on Trump, the economy's doing better than Obama?'  So I was like hold-da-fugg-up. YOU voted Hilary! Did your boss, a hotel tycoon from India who voted Trump on expense of keeping his businesses wealthy, finally brain wash you!!? She was like... watch the news, it's real. Then I asked her... So are you gonna vote Trump in 2020? ...and she was like, Sonny I'm never voting again. So it got me wondering.
This is VERY true. I loathe when I go to job interviews and they tell me "Just apply online man, there's no interview!" as if that shiz is of any comfort. orz I don't know how many motherfucking Starbucks I've applied to, and not a single e-mail I've gotten back from any one of them. But things'll get better, I hope. I just gotta put more effort into being charming & presentable ~ wish I could clear my own history as easily as a web browser though haha. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan May 8 2017, 07:11 AM | ||
Your mother doesn't know how economics works. |
| Posted by: xiao May 8 2017, 07:20 AM | ||
She's an accountant and I would wholeheartedly agree! Which would explain why my dad was just face-palming |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan May 8 2017, 09:49 AM |
| Being an accountant doesn't necessarily relate to macroeconomics. It's kind of like someone walking into a retail store and trying to say that the terms on the back of the receipt are not binding because "they're a lawyer," but then you ask them what law they practice and they say marriage law. It doesn't necessarily mean that they don't know what they're talking about just because their primary practice isn't related to the content in question, but it also doesn't mean that they're experts in the field just because their occupation is tangentially related. So, yeah. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy Now have some conspiracy theory for the morning. |
| Posted by: xiao May 8 2017, 10:14 AM | ||||
I wish I lived in Cali... the trans-dessert time shift is real. It's brunch when y'alls are eatin' breakfast. I'm gonna join-in the cathartic political experience and say I liked the call https://youtube.com/watch?v=3mtZ60AvDQY&t=5m21s NYC number for 911 Seth Meyers aired last week:
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| Posted by: APX May 8 2017, 10:56 PM | ||
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| Posted by: 207 May 10 2017, 03:09 PM |
| so Comey is out of a job now. something smells rather fishy for the timing, incidentally this was spotted on trumps desk heck these past few months have been fishy enough as it is. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan May 10 2017, 03:11 PM |
| Nah man. Pence assured us it has nothing to do with the Russia investigation, it's cool. |
| Posted by: 207 May 10 2017, 03:20 PM | ||
at this point who really knows?? he's already done things that people havent been on board with for a while. he was also in charge of looking into russian hacking/deals up until a day ago. only time will tell what might have happened to make trump change his mind. at this point you can point the probably cause at 2 different reasons. trump only wants 1 type of news: good news (in regards to his affairs). anything that runs against it it bad/fake news. he's already secretive enough so its hard to tell what he even thinks on a daily basis. |
| Posted by: APX May 11 2017, 12:31 AM |
| Guess only Russians were allowed for the meeting between the president and a few russian people. No American staff/media. Hmmmm Is it a worker evaluation from Mother Russia to see how it's employee is doing? We may never know. |
| Posted by: 207 May 11 2017, 03:44 AM | ||
lol, if its so then he's likely gonna get a A on the worker evaluation test. im starting to want to see more collusion with russia as it might be so it makes a HUUGE (potential) mess when all is discovered when this nightmare in USA finally ends. thats because trump wants to leave a tremendous legacy when his time in the big seat is over so anything to "help" his legacy is very welcoming. |
