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| Posted by: RakeRon Apr 24 2005, 05:27 PM |
| Hopefully this'll end the "What would be a good 1st or 2nd car" madness. Probly work better if someone *cough*sideways*cough* sticky this *hint*hint*nudge*nudge*. Anyways if you want to know what would be a good first, backup, or project car ASK HERE with what your plans are for the car (age and finacial situation would help too in the case of a 1st car deal). |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Apr 24 2005, 05:34 PM |
| now if a kind mod would just sticky this and add a rule that states no more making individual threads for X car suggestions. |
| Posted by: Ayako Watanabe Apr 24 2005, 05:44 PM |
| we could also organize it by drivetrain or by manufacture too, but i agree more on by drivetain like for example,something like this: Top 3 FF: 1. 2. 3. Top 3 FR: 1. 2. 3. Top 3 MR: 1. 2. 3. Top 3 RR: 1. 2. 3. |
| Posted by: Manji Apr 24 2005, 05:48 PM |
| Cars change every year, and these categories are way too generic... specific threads are much better because everyone has different interests. Otherwise I think most of our choices will end up being Ferraris and Porsches in sportscars, and Bentleys and Rolls Royces in comfort. Or do we just exclude comfort? |
| Posted by: babba-r32 Apr 24 2005, 05:48 PM |
| ayako, that is a great idea, but you are missing one, 4WD. Can a mod please merge all the "good car" threads to this one? and maybe pin it. |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Apr 24 2005, 05:49 PM |
| Before you ask your stupid questions you should give us the fallowing details.. 1)Your budget, keeping in mind that just because you have the money to purchase the car doesn't necessarily mean you can to afford it. This includes regular maintenance, keeping gas in it and insurance which is a nice luxury incase god for bid you didn't watch enough initial D and you drifted your shitty car into a tree in some park. 2)What are your interests and plans for the vehicle? Do you want to start autox'ing? drag racing? drifting? Or do you just want to buy an overrated car for too much money because of a cartoon, movie, magazines or biased interweb video's? Will it be a dolled up street car. 3)What are it's practical requirements? Will it be a daily driver? Do you live in a place where it snows a lot? Will you be able to afford to repair things that go out with out interfering with your daily routine? Do you need to have room to hall people/stuff or even tow something now and then? It would be advised that you should be open minded. Many say they want a front engine RWD car because they handle better then a typical front engined FWD vehicle which in theory can is true but each platform is so different that its really something that should be over glorified. There are many great handling affordable FWD cars! Also, be willing to do alot of research for what ever car your interested before you are dead set on it. And I mean search up more things then what rims look best on the car and what ricer drift style body kits and conventions they have it. I mean find out what kind of common problems and issues they have. (IDW is not that great of a resource btw. Go to a msg board thats dedicated to the car your interested in. Also I recommend automotiveforums.com just because one registration gives you the ability to ask questions and discuss many different cars. 6)SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH Message boards. Toyota/Lexus http://www.mr2oc.com http://www.supraforums.com http://www.clublexus.com http://www.supras.com http://www.yotatech.com http://www.6gc.net http://www.newcelica.org http://www.club4ag.com http://www.toyotanation.com http://www.clubtrd.com http://www.celicasupra.com http://www.socalsupras.com http://www.everythingcelica.com http://www.alltrac.net http://www.echodrivers.com http://www.supramania.com http://www.is300.net http://www.vvti.net http://www.vvt-i.net http://www.tacomaterritory.com/ http://www.customtacos.com http://www.hachiroku.net/forums/ http://www.aeu86.org/ http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/board/ http://www.spyderchat.com/forums/index.php Honda/Acura http://www.nsxsc.com http://www.nsxprime.com http://www.preludeonline.com http://www.honda-acura.net http://www.honda-tech.com http://www.teamdelsol.com http://www.clubsi.com http://www.clubRSX.com http://www.s2ki.com http://www.crxresource.org http://www.K-series.com http://www.ephatch.com http://www.7thgenhondacivic.com http://www.cybernationmotorsports.com Nissian/Infiniti http://www.thevboard.com http://www.nissanforums.com http://www.zilvia.net http://www.freshalloy.com http://www.240sxforums.com http://www.z31.com http://www.twinturbo.net http://www.300zxclub.com http://www.zcar.com http://www.nissaninfiniticlub.com http://www.classiczcars.com http://www.everything350z.com http://www.sr20forum.com http://www.nicoclub.com/ http://forums.hybridz.org/ Subaru http://www.i-club.com http://www.nasioc.com http://www.imprezawrxsti.com Mazda http://www.protegemp3.com http://www.protegeclub.com http://www.mx6.com http://www.miata.net http://www.teamfc3s.net http://forum.mazda6club.com http://www.nopistons.com http://www.rx7club.com http://www.rx8club.com Mercedes-Benz http://www.mbnz.org/forums/default.asp Mitsubishi/DSM http://www.dsmtalk.com http://www.dsmtuners.com http://www.3si.org http://www.starquestclub.com http://forums.evolutionm.net http://www.lancerregister.com/index.php?styleid=4(good evo forum) Isuzu http://www.isuzuperformance.com http://www.kipanderson.net/forum/ Volkswagon/Audi http://www.vwvortex.com http://www.VWfixx.com http://www.quattroclubusa.org http://www.mnaudi.com http://www.20Vturbo.com http://www.volkswagenforum.com http://www.audizine.com http://www.audiworld.com Ferrari http://www.ferrarichat.com http://www.ferrariownersclub.org http://www.ferrariownersclub.org Porsche http://forums.rennlist.com http://www.roadfly.org http://www.flat-6.net http://www.968.net Lotus http://www.elisetalk.com http://www.roadfly.org BMW http://www.r3vlimited.com/ http://www.e30tech.com/forum/ http://www.bmwcca.org http://www.bmw-club.org.uk http://www.bmwccaclubracing.com http://www.maxbimmer.com http://www.roadfly.org http://www.mwerks.com http://www.e46fanatics.com http://www.bimmerforums.com http://www.m3forum.com Volvo http://www.vcoa.org http://www.brickboard.com Hyundai http://www.sonataspeed.com/yabbse Ford/Murker http://www.stangnet.com http://www.corral.net http://www.mustangworld.com http://www.hardcore50.com http://www.allfordmustangs.com http://www.modularfords.com http://www.probetalk.com http://www.mafca.com http://www.mtfca.com http://www.mustanggt.org http://www.FocalJet.com http://www.forpower.net http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum http://www.ffoc.co.uk/forum http://www.tcf-v8-focus-conversions.com/forums http://www.mustangsandmore.com http://www.norcalwildhorses.com http://www.feoa.net http://www.mustang.org http://www.turboford.com Dodge http://vca2.viperclub.org/forums/ubbthreads.php http://www.viperclub.com http://www.neons.org http://www.dakotart.com http://www.asog.net http://www.aseclub.net Chevy/Pontiac http://www.thirdgen.org http://www.ls1.com http://www.corvetteforum.com http://www.lt1tech.com http://www.camaroz28.com http://www.fiero.nl http://www.aveoclub.com/forums 4X4 http://www.pavementsucks.com Bikes http://www.sportbikeworld.com http://www.sportbikes.com http://www.sportbikes.net http://www.superkaos.com Genera http://www.autotrader.com http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com/ http://auto.consumerguide.com/ http://www.scca.com http://www.sccaforums.com/index.php http://www.turboforum.net http://www.deeperimage.com http://www.shatter-box.com http://carspyshots.proboards2.com http://www.autopia.org/forums/index.php http://www.automotiveforums.com http://www.jdmuniverse.com http://waterinjection.info/phpBB2 http://www.supercarfreak.net http://www.carforumz.net http://www.supercars.net http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi http://www.tysonracing.com http://www.speedmagazine.com http://www.mrperformance.cjb.net http://www.corner-carvers.com http://forum.bettercarcare.com/index.php? http://www.turnfast.com http://www.autocross.com/evolution/ http://www.autocross.com/ http://www.autoxforum.com/ http://www.grmotorsports.com/board/index.php Local http://www.ImportLounge.com http://www.brevardmotorsports.org http://www.sbcars.net http://www.ok-speed.com http://www.californiafords.com http://www.sandiegoimports.com http://www.socalevo.net http://www.roclife.org http://www.texasracingscene.com http://www.racingsouthwest.com http://www.ttora.com Last but not least... http://www.google.com |
| Posted by: Ayako Watanabe Apr 24 2005, 05:56 PM |
| damn...you really outdone yourself there Nick o.O |
| Posted by: babba-r32 Apr 24 2005, 05:56 PM |
| forgot to add. one really good consumer guide. http://auto.consumerguide.com/ |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 24 2005, 07:03 PM |
| Another Subaru message board link, for the uber-est of Subarus--the first-gen Legacy! http://bbs.legacycentral.org (There's absolutely everything in that forum... the members have done everything under the sun, and if you ever need to know something, it's there. It's what makes modifying my car so damn easy!) |
| Posted by: sideways Apr 24 2005, 07:04 PM |
| Well i wont merge the other topics into here, youd get a mixed-mashed thread of "Wtf" if you know what i mean, it aranges the posts by date, so itd be difficult to say the least to understand. |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Apr 24 2005, 07:07 PM |
| for all the folks out there who want to grab the RS (really slow) version of Bunta's car from the anime, there are two forums i can think of: 1. rs25.com 2. if you are in Canada, specifically Toronto, Ontario - join www.toronto-subaru-club.com |
| Posted by: Möbius Apr 24 2005, 08:28 PM |
| http://contour.org/ for contours/mystiques |
| Posted by: Godigy Apr 24 2005, 09:02 PM |
| Yea Nick you phucking out did yourself!!! |
| Posted by: DGoReck Apr 25 2005, 11:07 AM |
| Top Gear's Power Lap Times::http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps/ Gotta love the show, and jeremy clarkson. Yes, the price range varies, but it is a good comparison of the cars, run on the same track. More Subaru Boards. http://www.rs25.com http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/ No particaular order, but here are some of my prime choices. MR: Lotus Elise Carrera GT FR: AE86 RX-7 (FC/FD) AWD: EVO (V) STi v5/6(22B) Skyline (R34) Maybe we should do it like a poll, and tally up everyones top 3 choices. |
| Posted by: Spirit_R Apr 25 2005, 04:49 PM |
^Then find me those cars please and bring them to Illinois  |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Apr 26 2005, 06:23 PM |
| heh so...... is anyone gonna start the first X car? If no one minds then I will go first But what about currency wat u guys gona do when other ppl other than can or US I got 2,157.60 USD to spend........ on an S13.......... to drive around and maybe the odd insticnt to attack a corner.... something that i can have fun drifting in the rain cause i dont wanna spend too much in tire damage. The begginers car? Damn straight! I dont even know if want to spend this money on a car, or my collage/university funds  Souce: http://www.refcofx.com/currency-trading.html?engine=overture&keyword=currency+converter EDIT: If you really want to know all i want is a drift spention setup(nothing wrong with keeping on ur toes on a rainy day huh?). And the odd bits and peices like nice gearknob(not those stupid ricy lightemup ones) pedeals to do heal toe and maybe a kit which makes shifting to each gear quicker (shortens the distance each throw of the knob) 2nd EDIT: na, ok forget it now, i think im gonna spend it on my collage degree |
| Posted by: Jabberwocky Apr 28 2005, 06:45 AM |
| If you have 2k to spend, get something like a CRX, miata, or a EF civic. I dont think you can buy a problem free s13 at that price. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 28 2005, 12:53 PM |
| If you have 2k to spend... First-gen Subaru Legacy! Just not a turbo edition, 'cause you'd be spending more getting it in proper working condition than you would if you just went with an NA. The turbos are kinda finicky. |
| Posted by: Jabberwocky Apr 28 2005, 07:35 PM |
| My belief is that a 15 year old turbo can't possible be that great, especially considering that the turbine has to spin much much faster than the engine. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 28 2005, 07:59 PM | ||
It isn't, really. It's a small turbo that causes lots of problems. Most people with Sport Sedans (who actually care about performance) get newer turbos. ...but that's why I'm saying not to get a turbo model. They're more trouble than they're worth... so if you're not willing to spend more on getting the engine running well than you are on the car, don't get one. It's also why my major engine upgrade is a 2.5L NA swap rather than a turbo swap. I can get the same power out of a newer EJ25 than I can get from the EJ22T... with less of the complications and hassle. ...but don't most turbos spin faster than the engine they're attached to? |
| Posted by: mujjuman May 8 2005, 05:13 PM | ||
they should... |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet May 11 2005, 08:28 PM |
| Never going to get a turbo or anything too powerful. Otherwise the insurance company will give me a good slap across the table |
| Posted by: .:SE3P:. May 17 2005, 06:06 PM |
| umm in 16 and im getting a car soon but my parents said i have 2 get a car under 20k i said theres no good cars under 20k but can u help me and tell me if theres any like fast tuneable car under 20k |
| Posted by: flohtingPoint May 17 2005, 06:09 PM | ||
Can it be used? If so, you can EASILY get a wrx for under 20k... 3000GT VR4 too. You can score a 300ZX TT for under 20k also. There are ALOT of options. |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer May 17 2005, 06:10 PM |
| toyota prius hybrid. You can tune that B*tch to get 100mpg |
| Posted by: sabishii May 17 2005, 06:12 PM |
| Used? If so, I'm also looking for used under $20k for a sporty and competitive car, and I've found the SRT-4 (I'd go 2004 for the LSD), WRX, and the RSX-S are well under that, all clustered around about $15k without too many miles. |
| Posted by: flohtingPoint May 17 2005, 06:15 PM | ||
VR4 would spank all those cars... badly. If I had the cash and the will to pay the outstanding insurance, that would definetly be my car. |
| Posted by: .:SE3P:. May 17 2005, 06:24 PM |
| moms said i have 2 get a new car her rules shes buyin and tune a hybrid lo fhkin l |
| Posted by: sabishii May 17 2005, 06:27 PM | ||||
*IF* you could find one... that's in good condition. Not the most reliable thing after 100k miles, especially twin turboed.
You can't talk to her and tell her that one year used would be such a better buy because of depreciation? Anyways, the SRT-4 is right at the $20k mark, new. The Mazda3 might be a good pick, too, as while it's not that fast, I remember people recommending it to me when I asked for suggestions for a sporty car. The Scion tC is also a good buy at $16k, nimble handling, I heard. Also not the fastest, but there will be a supercharger option later, I think, though. |
| Posted by: flohtingPoint May 17 2005, 06:30 PM | ||||
Finding one is never an issue, look on autotrader, here even use my mom's middle of nowhere zip code of 96022, there are several within 300 miles of her location. FYI: They're all TT... |
| Posted by: Lakersfanman33 May 17 2005, 06:31 PM |
| Sentra SE-R is a possibility. |
| Posted by: sabishii May 17 2005, 06:34 PM | ||
Good condition? And not overpriced (I would check KBB.com/Nadaguides.com)? (And I meant "especially because of TT") |
| Posted by: flohtingPoint May 17 2005, 06:37 PM | ||
Since you have to get a new car, I'd say a ZX3 focus, or a civic si off the top of my head. Leaning more tward the SI. |
| Posted by: zerocool_designs May 17 2005, 06:40 PM |
| how much does the Cobalt SS run for... I hear it's supposed to compete with the SRT-4. No lag. |
| Posted by: flohtingPoint May 17 2005, 06:41 PM | ||
21k+ busts the 20k cap, thats why I didnt say it =( |
| Posted by: sideways May 17 2005, 08:09 PM |
| Sorry gonna close this, theres a pinned thead, "The Good X car thread". Post your questions in there well be happy to help (as seen above ) Edit; On 2nd thought, i COULD just move it into the proper topic...  and now he shall wonder where his thread went, didnt mean to kill the old one, im so winning the best mod award  |
| Posted by: 7m-gte Jul 18 2005, 10:09 PM | ||||
get a scion tC, then work up for a turbo kit and slap it in, instant competitor of the srt4.  |
| Posted by: Ayako Watanabe Jul 19 2005, 01:45 PM |
| Ive been doing on some research about the 300zx(z31) model. Theres one in good condition,color silver, by Piñones(here in Puerto Rico). I ike the info about the stock specs and everything. I'll be keeping an eye on it until it goes up for sale. But i was wondering is there anything I should be warned or expect from this specidic car(the bad things i mean). |
| Posted by: zerocool_designs Jul 19 2005, 02:19 PM |
| My mom has had a 85 Z for about 6 years now. One thing I can tell you is, the non-turbo's ARE SLOW (My car is dramatically faster). They are heavy, and in most cases aren't very reliable. The back-end loves to come around on you, so drifting is almost out of the question. We've had to do a lot of work on her car. The tranny has been our biggest problem, but it's an auto. One thing I can say in the cars defense... the car with original motor has at least 200k miles. I'd love to have a turbo Z31, but I would advize against any 300zx that isn't boosted. |
| Posted by: Ayako Watanabe Jul 19 2005, 02:28 PM |
| ^^im looking for the Turbo version. I wont be using it for drifting of course.Theres a course for Auto X around here in Puerto Rico which im still wondering where it is so i will be using it for Auto X and as a daily driver too..and as long as it can go fast when I need to. |
| Posted by: zerocool_designs Jul 19 2005, 02:35 PM |
| They probably don't make the best auto-x car, as turbo's usually aren't good for it. There is a guy on these forums with a turbo z31 (JoeyFeets), he could probably tell you everything you need to know about the z31, eample: how laggy it is. Hopefully he'll chime in sometime. I really have no experience with turbo Z's so, I won't be of much help. |
| Posted by: Ayako Watanabe Jul 19 2005, 02:58 PM |
| I'll PM him sometime when i can on anything that I should expect from the Z31 then . |
| Posted by: Sasuke.Uchiha Sep 18 2005, 12:29 AM |
| Well Im gonna buy a new car pretty soon (one week) and I was wondering if any of you have any suggestions I have 10K to spend and I was set on buying a 2001 honda accord with 80k miles and it has like $2000 in after market upgrades but my dad said to wait a week and look for something else and we are gonna go car shopping in a few days..... the car I would want the most is and rx-7 (3rd generation I think, kiesukes car) but I dont think I can find one for 10k.... anyways I want something that can be a show car and a "go" car also my 2nd choice would be a silvia but I cant find one so any suggestions and to as why I should get that car It would be very much appreciated. |
| Posted by: Jabberwocky Sep 18 2005, 01:07 AM |
| where do you live. That affects price. Generally. A late model DSM has quite a bit of potential if you get the awd turbo version, they have pretty crappy stock suspensions though. A camaro is the most powerful car you can get for that price. A used celica can be had for that price as well. What do you want in a car? 4 seats? Luxury? Power? Handling? And how much of each are you willing to give up for another. |
| Posted by: backalleyracer Sep 18 2005, 01:53 AM |
| if you want to buy a Rx-7 with 10k, you can get a beat up 3rd gen or a uber clean 2nd gen |
| Posted by: sideways Sep 18 2005, 02:18 AM |
| ^-- What he said. A good FD will fetch about 15 grand on a good rebuild, but keep in mind theres the cost of keeping the car- gas which is going up BIG time, the fact they get horrible gas mileage, and require premium- insurance, whatever breaking (usually going to happen often enough on an fd/rotary car unless its been taken car of properly the whole time). A good TII fc will run around 5k, around 3 for a good NA. Theres a pinned topic pinned about this, ill merge this into there soon. |
| Posted by: Iceman Sep 18 2005, 11:25 AM |
| 10k for an 01 accord with modzzzzz what a dumb idea seriously slap the guy thats selling it. as you refer to an FD as "keisuke's car" you make me doubt your YOU KNOW WHAT in fact get an S14 240sx actually and then you'll have some money left over |
| Posted by: Kerxn Sep 18 2005, 11:57 AM |
| get a conquest or starion |
| Posted by: Rose Gold Sep 18 2005, 12:03 PM |
| save for another year and cop a FD. |
| Posted by: Möbius Sep 18 2005, 12:06 PM |
| 10K for a car? Very easy decision... Get a junker for about $1K, then invest the remaining $9K in savings of sorts... |
| Posted by: Kerxn Sep 18 2005, 12:07 PM |
| f**k the FD, gas mileage sucks... repairs suck, most shops cant repair rotaries these ID fanboys will f**k your car (literally), they will f**k you just to ride in the car its gonna get stolen (as it is rare) or horribly keyed, slashed, or dented or just strripped of parts and u find it in a local junkyard |
| Posted by: Silent121 Sep 18 2005, 12:35 PM | ||
Of course most shops don't do rotary, it's cus they don't know s**t about it. That's is why you find yourself a Rx-7 Mechanic or a shop. Or just do it yourself, which is what I always do. |
| Posted by: Rudy Sep 18 2005, 02:04 PM |
| Or find an FD with some sort of pistion engine swap. Be it SR20 like I've seen once, or a V8... ect |
| Posted by: HorizontalMitsubishi Sep 18 2005, 02:12 PM | ||
you could pick up a starquest for around $2K-$3k for a really clean one then have a kdm do one of his word class motor builds with the rest of the cash. |
| Posted by: flohtingPoint Sep 18 2005, 02:21 PM |
| Newish Ford Focus ZX3. Thats what I'd buy. Plenty of miles left on it to last you many years, good start on a decent solo II vehicle. Low insurance cost and not enough power to get yourself killed. |
| Posted by: Macher TX Ranger Sep 18 2005, 02:27 PM | ||
I'm guessing you didn't consider insurance, gas, and repairs into that... And the fact that he probably knows little to nothing about rotaries. |
| Posted by: Rose Gold Sep 18 2005, 02:31 PM |
| owning a car like that.. theres only one thing that comes with it. What are you willing to sacrifice? |
| Posted by: gReAtWaLL4o8 Sep 18 2005, 03:30 PM |
| maybe u should just get a 240sx....spend like $2000-$4000 on the car and u have the leftover money for mods or repairs |
| Posted by: Silent121 Sep 18 2005, 03:44 PM |
| If you really want an FD, save your cash up to about 14-15k, you can get a good FD around that price. |
| Posted by: Iceman Sep 18 2005, 03:51 PM | ||
there are cheaper ways to kill yourself |
| Posted by: HorizontalMitsubishi Sep 18 2005, 03:51 PM |
| i have a friend that is selling his 240. its got an s15 sr20 in it, the sr with vtc. it has 13.5 inch rims out back and the fenders have been tubbed. it has 275/35 tires on those rims and the car spins those tires through first second and third gear at only 10 pounds of boost. he wants to sell the car he is asking $8K. |
| Posted by: Jabberwocky Sep 18 2005, 04:16 PM |
| Although it is a very good proposition. I doubt your parents want you to buy a very old car. With that is mind here is a run down of some your options. I will try to be as unbias as possible: e36 BMW 325-330ci - Great car. Overshadowed by the M3, but a very good car by itself. You still havent said where you live but good examples like http://www.craigslist.com/sfc/car/98298118.html can be had if you pay attention. Nice and luxurious. Usually rear wheel drive. Sporty. Every time I've gotten a chance to autocrossed one, I've enjoyed it. Appeals to old folks cause it is a BMW. Appeals to younger folks cause it is sporty. Appeals to chicks who dig luxury cars, as well as those who like sporty cars. Unlike some other sports cars, it is easy to find ones that have NOT been abused. My personal choice if I had to pick. I'd go for a rwd model though. Celica GTS: Good engine. Was the one of top autocross cars for autocrossing in Gstock until the supercharged Mini came along. It is still a very good car. 4 seats. The car's light weight (~2300 lbs) make this car worth while for me even if it is front wheel drive. This car's lightness alone is why I would choose this over the newer civics, integras, rsx, focus, jetta, etc. Sentra Spec V: Surprisingly a good autocross car. A hair slower than the integra type R, which is out of your price range. Accord: Heavy, will never be as nimble the lighter front wheel drive cars. I dont see many people even bother autocrossing this. However,the interior is nice, if you get the V6, it has some power for the freeway. Not the 240 honda claims though, the car has more like 200-220. Heavy heavy heavy. But nice semi-luxurious interior. Talon / Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX: 4 wheel drive. Turbo charged engine. More power can be had for cheap cheap cheap. Chronic understeer problem. Can be fixed with suspension tuning. LS1 Camaro: Power, Power, and more rwd power. This is by far the most powerful car you can get for around 10 grand. 340 hp stock means that it will keep pace with a new m3 or an Sti. This thing can be made to corner very quickly, however it will cost you. The stock shocks suck, brakes are good. I autocrossed in Fstock for almost a year. With just 800 bucks in parts, this car is corners suprisingly well. The bad, it doesn't hold its resale value well, partially because of its redneck stigma. Poor gas mileage in the city 17-18 mpg. Decent highway- 33-35mpg. The real cost of ownership is how much you get back when you sell the car eventually (if you do). In that case, the camaro's cost of ownership is high since its value tends to drop pretty quickly. Probably not great for insurance, and your parents will hate it. Mustang - Slower than the camaro. Unless you have the supercharged cobra, which has a terrible weight distribution. Same problem as the camaros when it comes to resale value. The GT has less hp than it is rated at. The Bullitt has more power and decent suspension. The Cobra R rocks, but is out of your price range. Mazda miata - The absolute best car to go for a drive with your girl friend in. Just a perfect 2 person car. Suprisingly good acceleration once you get going despite what its stats are on paper. Due to lightweight, high gearing, and low unsprung weight. Great autocross car, this car cuts through a slalom like nothing else. Con: Acceleration is not that great from a stop, dont drag race any minivans, especially the v6 ones, they will spank you. Don't even try to seat 3 people, ask me how I know. =) |
| Posted by: Iceman Sep 18 2005, 04:32 PM | ||
Stickshifts and safetybelts, Bucket seats have all got to go. When we're driving in the car, It makes my baby seem so far. I need you here with me, Not way over in a bucket seat. I need you to be here with me, Not way over in a bucket seat. But when we're driving in my Malibu, It's easy to get right next to you. I say, "Baby, scoot over, please." And then she's right there next to me. I need you here with me, Not way over in a bucket seat. I need you to be here with me, Not way over in a bucket seat. |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Sep 18 2005, 04:41 PM |
I know what I would buy if I had that kind of money again but I'm not going to tell you becuase I dont want you to ruin one.  |
| Posted by: Sasuke.Uchiha Sep 18 2005, 06:23 PM |
| Thanks for the recomendations and just to let you guys know I already own a rx-7 2nd generation (FC) and my dad owns an rx-8 and know a bit about rotaries also I want an import car..... my dad wouldnt get me an american car anyways...... but anyways to narrow it down I only need two seats and I dont plan on racing it or anything but I want it to have some power. sidewaysstarion where is your friend from im from california in the bay area, near san jose sacramento modesdo tracy manteca and whatever else is around these areas so if hes from around here which I doubt send me some pics at Caliguy69696969@hotmail.com |
| Posted by: Maverick Sep 19 2005, 08:22 AM | ||
dont buy a car. Play with your FC. Thats all you need. Not to be a dick, but these threads make me untrusting of the guy asking. IF you cant make up a decision for what kind of car you want for yourself as a person. You dont need to buy a car. I say spend a couple in your 2nd Gen and make it a little better. You dont need a FD. |
| Posted by: flohtingPoint Sep 19 2005, 09:10 AM | ||
If you would have mentioned you had a car already, I'd have said exactly what Mav typed. If you're still living with mom and pop, you dont really need two cars, all thats doing is chomping away at your pops pocketbook, it honestly sounds like you're spoiled. As for your pop not getting you a domestic vehicle, I totally agree with him. I mean, who would want a car that is cheap to repair, parts are abundantly found in junkyards, broad knowledgebase and you can take it just about anywhere to have it serviced? Not me. Oh wait, crap, I already own a Ford and a Chevy right now. |
| Posted by: Tezza Sep 19 2005, 09:23 AM |
| i'll be honest, i think i can my hands on a second hand 7 Spirit. with 10k USD. since they're ultra cheap here... except the Insurance and Maintanence is gonna make you go ballistic. are you keen on domestics or imports? |
| Posted by: HorizontalMitsubishi Sep 19 2005, 01:49 PM | ||
the guy live in azusa which is about an hour north form me. i live just south of la. ill go up there next weekend nd take pictures for you. |
| Posted by: Sasuke.Uchiha Sep 19 2005, 04:43 PM |
| The cars not really mine its my dads but he never uses it so it is basically mine.... and anyways my dad has plenty in his pocket book but that doesnt matter cuz im mainly buying this car...... and ya I think american cars suck to not just my dad and dont tell me that you think honda isnt reliable because it is............ f**k ford and chevy cuz my moms old ford is a piece of shit which used to be mine which is a 97 thunderbird which was not very cheap 2 fix....... |
| Posted by: Turbocharged killa Sep 19 2005, 04:50 PM |
| buy a 1000 dolor civic get a h22a 3000 other exterior stuff 3000 and instialation 3k there u go |
| Posted by: Iceman Sep 19 2005, 04:57 PM | ||
whats a exterior stuff |
| Posted by: flohtingPoint Sep 19 2005, 05:06 PM | ||
LOL he said ford sucks but he likes Mazda. Do you hate milk but like icecream too? Man, where do they find these guys... |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Sep 19 2005, 05:11 PM | ||
not just mazda, but an rx7.. oh the irony  |
| Posted by: sideways Sep 19 2005, 05:19 PM |
Hey i hate milk but like ice cream  . But yes, irony follows this kid around, hell figure it out one day. "old" btw; MERGED to the WHAT THE HELL SHOULD I BUY thread. |
| Posted by: zerocool_designs Sep 19 2005, 05:29 PM | ||
H22 civics make for shitty daily drivers (from what I've been told)... stick with a B-series, and if you got the resources, K-series |
| Posted by: Maverick Sep 19 2005, 06:28 PM | ||||
Seriously, rename this thread that.
the internet. DUR. |
| Posted by: Sasuke.Uchiha Sep 19 2005, 11:17 PM | ||
I do hate milk and like icecream and whats wrong with disliking ford and liking mazda? I liked my 97 t-bird when I got a new paint job and body kit...... for like a month than I needed a new transmission and needed the A/C fixed which the A/C was shitty to start with before it broke and than a new intake manifold which ford is currently in court for to see if that will get recalled and that my friend is why I think ford is a royale pain in my ass. Now I am not saying a mazda rx-7 3rd gen is gonna be the best reliable engine in the world but that has nothing to do with why I want it. and if im not mistaken I just asked for a few nice sports cars that I can go look at with my dad when we go shoping....... god damn now I know why I rarely post on this forum.... |
| Posted by: BOZZ Sep 20 2005, 09:51 AM |
| Might be the whole Ford owns Mazda thing... Ford literally owns the Mazda Car Company... >< |
| Posted by: Maverick Sep 20 2005, 10:10 AM | ||||
Oh no recalls. 
good. |
| Posted by: flohtingPoint Sep 20 2005, 10:15 AM | ||
Tell them what they've won Bob!!! |
| Posted by: BOZZ Sep 20 2005, 11:36 AM | ||
A whole lot of nothing |
| Posted by: sabishii Oct 2 2005, 08:42 PM |
| What would be the best year/trim Miata to get if I want the sportiest handling (among the years/trims) and cheapest upgrading for power (enough power to hit about 15.0 in the 1/4, for *example*)? |
| Posted by: Maverick Oct 2 2005, 10:27 PM | ||
i dont know about miatas, but you could get a 1st gen for dirt cheap practically. Im a tall guy and would just feel ridiculous driving one though. |
| Posted by: Godigy Oct 8 2005, 07:43 PM |
91 model is the lighest model of them all. But if anything, any model is a good model, which I suggest is the sport "R" trim that comes with an LSD, Bilstein Suspension and such. I prefer the 01 model but rite now Im stuck with 96 model which is ok but rite now, i have the need. THE NEED FOR SPEED!!!  |
| Posted by: sabishii Oct 8 2005, 11:09 PM |
| Thanks. I'm just curious for now as the car I have now I got fairly recently. But the engine of the MSP isn't built for turboing so I can't add much power unless I build internals, and the suspension is already pretty damn good, so I would need a lot of $$$ for either power OR handling. Plus the fact that it's FWD... So I'm anticipating the day I get a Miata or some car comparable. Not that I don't love my Protege. =) |
| Posted by: M3D1C Oct 19 2005, 05:04 PM |
| ok, i think this is the place to ask, i was wondering what would be a good first car (daily driver, work, school, arcade, everwhere in between) i have a few choices that i would like to have. So i am just asking which is better costwise and reliability wise i guess.. From An early Rx-7 300zx and 240sx basically price range like 0-4500'ish give or take a few hundred is what im looking at as of right now, any suggestions on other cars or cars i have listed will be kindly welcomed.. thanks my computer is broken as of a few weeks ago, im at the school computer, i wont read what/if any person has wrote until next wednesday when i have computer again, thanks again. |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Oct 19 2005, 06:22 PM | ||
| If its just a daily driver/beater then I wouldnt bother with any of those vehicles. Just get a cheap car with good AC/stereo and is reliable, easy to drive in bad weather conditions and cheap to insure. Otherwise:
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| Posted by: M3D1C Oct 22 2005, 08:27 AM |
| well, i want a car that looks cool, i don't want a cheap like civic or anything. I am sure any car i get ill drop some mods in it. Also i want one that is different from what everyone around here has, but also still good. |
| Posted by: gReAtWaLL4o8 Oct 22 2005, 10:34 AM |
| 98 eclipse gst or gsx look nice...and i dont see dat many on the streets |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Oct 22 2005, 06:25 PM |
| You just want a good looking car for a daily driver.As far as looks are concerned Thats up to you since that is basicly just an opinion. I would recommend avoiding a turbo car or something that will only hinder its practicality as a dairly driver(insurence, gas milage, duribilitiy/reliability and most turbo cars have had the hell beaten out of them from previous owners). A 2g eclipse RS/GS are nice looking IMO(I have NO complains about my RS as a daily driver!) 3000GT's are really cool looking too, not sure what kind of gas milage they get... or how reliable the base models are. Perhaps an Acura Integra coupe or honda prelude? Those can be nice looking as well. |
| Posted by: EA99 Nov 8 2005, 08:41 PM |
omg my mum sed i can go learn to drive yeah! but now i need a car for end of year to work 2wards!! like im looking around the 4-6k range! do you guys have any like ideas? cos im stumped! i mean i seriously want a toyota for a 1st car but this may not be wise so yeah help please?  |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 8 2005, 08:49 PM |
| Celica, Supra, MR2... you can find older generations easily in that price range. If it were me, I'd go with a 5th Gen. Celica, but they are the weakest of the Celica breed, so... |
| Posted by: EA99 Nov 8 2005, 08:55 PM |
| hmm well the JAZ70 and JAZ80 are both out of the price range a lot! the SW20 obviously is out of the price range too! not too keen on the AW11 either!! but i was thinking maybe a AE86 o damn yes initial D fanboys but a celica? hmmm an ST185 reaches how much nowadays? |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Nov 8 2005, 08:57 PM |
| Sounds like you just need a beater. Just find the nicest car you can find in that price range... I dont have anything bad to say about the celica's. Sporty, cheap to run and cheap to insure. So I guess thats my vote.. Unless you want something bigger and less cramped then I would say a Camry or corolla? *shrugs edit: Okay I guess your looking for a sporty car... Then I will say Say a sport model Celica... http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=190283418&dealer_id=56661268&car_year=2000&model=CELICA&bkms=1131512073239〈=&isp=y&start_year=1995&certified=&search_type=used&distance=0&make=TOYOTA&min_price=1&address=76017&advanced=&end_year=2006&max_price=7000&cardist=1580 I also highly recommend sportier honda's such as the civic si's. Since its your first car I would say avoid any idea's of a 'project' car. Get something to learn to drive on now and work on the basics before worring about the limitations of the car. Giving a sports car to someone who is learning to drive is like giving me the macromedia fireworks software program. Sure its cool to say I have it but I'm not able to use it for what its worth and I am just as well off with MS paint(this is a true story btw). No need to worry about reliability, gas money, insurence, getting your self overly caught up in a sitsuation your unable to correct(thinks of the 16year old kid with the viper... wrapped around a tree...). |
| Posted by: APX Nov 8 2005, 08:58 PM |
| Go with the good ol Datsun 510! |
| Posted by: EA99 Nov 8 2005, 09:10 PM | ||
aww damn did i forget to mention im in australia >< well thanks for the tips anyway so: 1. shytbanger 2. low fuel 3. cheap as crap 4. insurance doesnt cost an arm and leg a car liddat should be good for a first eh?  |
| Posted by: supra rz Nov 8 2005, 09:13 PM |
| get a 200sx |
| Posted by: EA99 Nov 8 2005, 09:16 PM |
| if u can find me a S14 or S15 for 6k AUS ill give u a cookie |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Nov 8 2005, 09:18 PM |
| 200sx as in the turbo 2.0L or...?(they made so many different 200sx's..) IF it is then I wouldnt recommend it for insurence and gas milage issues. and I'm sure if flohtingpoint was here he could give you a 10page essay about the engine being very capable of being a major pain in the ass... but then again he whines allot. I'm thinking HONDA is what your looking for. Super cheap, super reliable, great on gas and in their sportier packages they can be a hoot to drive too if thats a concern. So yeah, I say find the nicest 4cyl. honda you can find. *also its hard to say becuase I'm not sure what all cars are imported/produces in Australia... |
| Posted by: Iceman Nov 8 2005, 09:52 PM | ||
yeah. if you bought a car like that knowing it was a shitbox econo 4-banger beater cheapass word string noun as adjective and not thinking it was a sweetass sportscar you would be cooler than most people on this forum. thats like the worst sentence ever. also check my last claim in it lmao but yeah thats the idea. |
| Posted by: EA99 Nov 8 2005, 10:32 PM |
lol hondas........... naahh  |
| Posted by: zerocool_designs Nov 8 2005, 10:46 PM |
| Is there a "rolls eyes and sighs" emoticon? |
| Posted by: EA99 Nov 8 2005, 10:57 PM |
| well its just that theres too much rice nowadays and i just dont like teh civis or anything anymore |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Nov 8 2005, 11:02 PM |
| So dont rice it out or worry about what other people have done to them. There really are very few, if any better options then some honda if your goals are "cheap, reliable, easy on gas, cheap to insure, practical, ect ect". |
| Posted by: EA99 Nov 8 2005, 11:43 PM |
| lol ok hey its just a 1st car anyways nothing BIG then my next car cough cough something nice cough cough o wait my sigs gone uhh an MR2 |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Nov 8 2005, 11:49 PM |
| haha dont get too set on one specific car that you have never driven before. Try to stay open minded. Not to say anything bad about mr2's though.. but there are other different cool cars out there. Who knows, by then maybe you will want a wrx or something that isnt MR2 like.. Thats actualy one of the reasons I'm not trying to "recommend" a sports car to you. As of know with out much or any driving experience I/we simply can not say what it is that you will actualy like. We all have different prefrences hence why there are so many different types of sport car offerings to choose from. |
| Posted by: sideways Nov 9 2005, 01:24 AM |
| agree with nick there.. NOTHING wrong with an si, damn u ff bashing idiots. btw, ill merge this soon into the PINNED topic |
| Posted by: EA99 Nov 9 2005, 02:14 AM |
| lmao i have not much against FF's i love the corolla, celica and EK9 very much and more but but... its just those other RICED civics who think they r teh shyt when obviously they aint meh well thanks for ur help b4 this gets merged |
| Posted by: DeeBo Nov 9 2005, 05:02 PM |
Get a miata.  Seriously. DIRT CHEAP!! |
| Posted by: sabishii Nov 20 2005, 11:57 AM |
| Here's an idea. Can anyone come up with a list of cars with a good-sized aftermarket - Hondas, etc, of course, but there must be some or quite a few cars that are less well-known? I thought of this because I realized the crappy aftermarket of my car after I bought it and got infected with the modding bug. |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Nov 20 2005, 12:04 PM |
| Do you have any idea how long that list would be? lol Perhaps just try to purchase a car that already has your performance goals in stock form... ???(which is a noval concept that seems to to be overlooked these days) |
| Posted by: sabishii Nov 20 2005, 01:38 PM |
| Perhaps some people just like working on their cars? |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Nov 20 2005, 01:47 PM |
| Well then might I recommend an AWD turbo DSM? HUGE aftermarket, HUGE potential for track use, they look good(I even like the 1g dsm's) and you can work on it all you want plus some if you purchase it from a teenager who flogged the shit out of it.(thats the biggest problem with dsm's) |
| Posted by: sabishii Nov 20 2005, 01:52 PM |
| Good suggestion. I heard they had some reliability problems, though? |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Nov 20 2005, 05:56 PM |
| they are no honda thats for sure. But the majority of their problems come from people who just dont take care of them as much as they flog them. REason being, look how cheap you can get one? And what age group usualy clings to cheaper go-fast cars? Then add turbo and mix well. lol If you find one that was taken care of well you shouldnt have many problems, find the typical lower priced ones owned by boy racers and you should expect to take a few trips to autozone or a junkyard everyonce in awhile. |
| Posted by: snapcase452 Dec 27 2005, 07:30 PM |
| After a snow/ice storm here in portland i've decided to trade in my Ford focus for something 4wd, but I Dont want to spend more than 10k. I've been looking at the Audi A4 but I'm still not sure. Drove in my friends WRX... yeah it was fun. but I really want to limit myself at or below 10k Any suggestions? |
| Posted by: EA99 Dec 27 2005, 07:34 PM |
| if ur looking NEW then idk for 10k.. but maybe a Celica GT4? ST185/ST205 hmm wheres Sainz when u need him |
| Posted by: snapcase452 Dec 27 2005, 07:54 PM |
| not new, I was thinking something 99+ |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Dec 27 2005, 07:54 PM |
| truck |
| Posted by: sabishii Dec 27 2005, 08:37 PM |
| You could try getting a non-WRX Impreza that is AWD. |
| Posted by: Apex Dec 27 2005, 08:41 PM |
| Non wrx impreza is the only impreza you will find for those years and price. |
| Posted by: lotteman Dec 27 2005, 08:52 PM |
| get a AWD emblem and stick that thing on your trunk. JK JK. the GT4 is nice or get a truck. |
| Posted by: Möbius Dec 27 2005, 08:56 PM |
| I don't see the connection between wanting to get an AWD drive and a snowstorm... The commercials must've gotten to you.. |
| Posted by: Turbocharged killa Dec 27 2005, 09:34 PM |
| im guessing the impreza is the best choice |
| Posted by: CrypticApathy Dec 27 2005, 09:57 PM |
| Anything subaru is AWD |
| Posted by: Rudy Dec 27 2005, 10:15 PM |
| Get an ST165 Celica alltrac |
| Posted by: evo4life Dec 27 2005, 11:28 PM |
| $10k and 1999+ is kinda limiting But pretty much: subarus volvo s70 awd turbo audi A4 Quattro VW Passsat 4motion eclipse gsx u can find some good deals on these but some may be closer to 11k |
| Posted by: AzNcOoLbOy85 Dec 27 2005, 11:39 PM |
| pre 01 impreza |
| Posted by: Iceman Dec 28 2005, 12:17 AM | ||
no. not enough of them out there as it is. also, dsm awds aren't supposed to be as good in the snow as you think. |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Dec 28 2005, 12:47 AM |
| an eclipse gsx isnt a bad idea at all. its like an evo or WRX but actually looks good. i had a gst and loved it. |
| Posted by: blitzmage_89 Dec 28 2005, 12:50 AM |
| I believe that AWDs are usually for rugged terrain or uphill. As for snow , I'm not quite sure but I know FF and FRs are enough for snow. It's okay to buy AWDs but be ready for the massive fuel consumption. Make sure you got cash for it. |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Dec 28 2005, 12:56 AM |
| my ~220 hp awd turbo talon got an average 18-21mpg. not great, but better than most SUVs. though, i didnt notice it getting much different gas mileage between that and my fwd turbo eclipse. seeing as they share the same engine, it doesnt seem that there is much of an effect awd has on fuel consumption vs fwd. |
| Posted by: flohtingPoint Dec 28 2005, 01:13 AM | ||
Tell him what hes won Bob! |
| Posted by: EA99 Dec 28 2005, 01:31 AM |
| u do realise he did say CAR xD |
| Posted by: 7m-gte Dec 28 2005, 02:58 AM |
| all wheel driven vehicles tend to fair better in snow, but when it comes to ice, if tires lose traction, they lose traction, no matter rwd,fwd, or awd. as for that price range and year specification, i'd recommend a 2.5 rs impreza or legacy. or you could use that 10 grand as a hefty down payment on an evolution or sti. lol. |
| Posted by: Cubits Dec 28 2005, 05:33 AM |
| The focus is one of the best handling fwd's on sale today (check the magazines)! You'll have more understeer and less steering feel if you trade to a regular subaru impreza/talon/eclipse. I say stick with the focus! |
| Posted by: EA99 Dec 28 2005, 05:37 AM |
| ^ HELL convert the focus into an AWD car just like its WRC counter part hahaha |
| Posted by: Medic-kung Dec 28 2005, 06:19 AM |
| Why don't consider Lancer Evo3? It's AWD too and it's handling a bit understeer. (grip happy) My dad use to drive this car on slippery road and it perform quite well. |
| Posted by: Kakashi Dec 28 2005, 07:35 AM |
| You can try to find a all trac celica, 98-01 impreza, or a old DSM. The guy lives in USA if you ppl didn't know, he can't buy a evo 3 or celica GT4. |
| Posted by: sabishii Dec 28 2005, 10:03 AM | ||
| Yeah, honestly, where the heck is he gonna get a GT4 or Evo3, or even an All-trac? The DSM sounded like a good suggestion at first, but now that I think of it, sudden turbo boost in the snow may not be such a good idea.
Stick a rear sway bar on the Impreza. =) |
| Posted by: EA99 Dec 28 2005, 11:13 AM | ||||
evo 3 maybe not but GT4's are seen quite commonly in aus |
| Posted by: hellbent Dec 28 2005, 12:14 PM |
| I love how he clearly states that he lives in portland. Yet people continue to suggest cars that arent even available in U.S. (EVO3, GT4) If it was my money, Id go for the 2.5Impreza RS. Id fare away from the Audi A4 1.8T. Personal experience tells me for that price range their rubish. @EA99- The U.S. Focus and the EU AWD Focus are two completly different cars. Ive searched into it and see if its possible. and no thanks, just not worth the hassles. Iam not saying it cant be done. But with enough money anything can be done. |
| Posted by: MidnightViper88 Dec 28 2005, 12:22 PM | ||
He's referring to the chassis, in which both are the same, as in the US Focus still has the driveshaft tunnel of the European Focus which is used in WRC which actually is AWD...You have to connect the dots, even though the dots are spread miles apart... It's possible to convert a Focus to AWD, but you sure as hell aren't gonna keep buying the car and the powertrain conversion under $10-grand budget all-together... |
| Posted by: buk sasuke Dec 28 2005, 01:46 PM |
| evo 3's....Celica alltrac..... 98-01 impreza's....GT4's... he says he lives in portland...and people still blurts out these cars... he's in the U.S... Not Japan too get those imported cars...or rare. but he can try too ship from japan too get those cars if he got $$$$$$ |
| Posted by: 7m-gte Dec 28 2005, 01:54 PM |
| i know two brothers who used to drive an 88' and 91' celica all-tracs. they sold em off though. one drives a 02' wrx now and the other a sentra. i dont think it would be 'that' hard to find an all-trac. there's also this other guy i've met before that owns 2 alltracs. thus makes a total of 4 alltracs i've seen in the last few years. they're rare, but still around. |
| Posted by: MidnightViper88 Dec 28 2005, 02:00 PM |
| No one's denying that they're not in the US, since people import them...But that's just it; In order to have one, you must import one...You just can't go to a used car dealership and wish for luck that they'll have one...And certainly with the budget he's on, he's not going to waste time and scower the country for less than a handful amount of Celicas out there with all-trac... |
| Posted by: sabishii Dec 28 2005, 02:03 PM | ||||
98-01 Imprezas don't need to be imported... 
I popped a search for the All-Trac in Autotrader once, and it only gave me two... in the ENTIRE country.  |
| Posted by: sideways Dec 28 2005, 02:41 PM |
| Thisll be merged into the X car thread tonight |
| Posted by: BOZZ Dec 28 2005, 03:54 PM |
| I'd suggest an Impreza RS from 1999-2001 (I can't remember if the 1999 or the 1998 had some kind of defect for the DOHC engines in this car) as Subarus tend to be insanely safe to drive... As long as you don't drive through a flooded lane that you see only SUVs driving through... Before anyone jumps on me, what I mean is that the car could be completely totalled in an accident and the driver and passengers will most likely come out with just a few scratches and bruises... The All-Trac Celica is also another good option that should be under 10 grand. |
| Posted by: HorizontalMitsubishi Dec 28 2005, 04:07 PM | ||
so the subby 360 is awd? i think you should get a galant vr4. |
| Posted by: snapcase452 Dec 28 2005, 05:38 PM |
| Well the main reason for me wanting a 4wd is when the snow storm hit I was at a stop light and when it turned green I had no traction and just started sliding to the side, just when I got some traction an Evo8 behind me started honking and drove around me.. he went pretty fast too. He didnt even have chains on why are guys in evos mean? |
| Posted by: MidnightViper88 Dec 28 2005, 05:51 PM |
| Throttle control can help play a part... Hell, I had no trouble driving in f**kin' ice when a snowstorm hit Louisville a week ago because of that, and I drive a RWD Mustang...And my car's got more torque than a Focus does! |
| Posted by: Kakashi Dec 28 2005, 06:07 PM | ||
Good luck finding that, you should get old skool legacy, turbo model if you can find it. |
| Posted by: Frost Dec 28 2005, 06:18 PM |
| ZOMG! AWD GIVES ME MORE TRACTION BY DEFYING LAWS OF PHYSICS!!! ZOMG! Do I smell another Impreza fanboy? Get proper snow tires. Learn how to drive in the snow first on a 2WD and then move on. AWD only helps you accelerate faster on whatever traction there is but not slow down nor does it increase the amount of traction present. All the road see's are 4 contact patches from four wheels and NOT your drivetrain. Frost` |
| Posted by: snapcase452 Dec 28 2005, 06:54 PM |
| Hmm did I ever once mention getting an Impreza? No, all I said was that I drove in my friends WRX which IMO handles and performs better than my focus. And as far as throttle control theres not much you can do when the snow turns to ice, as far as I know the Evo may have had snow/studded tires |
| Posted by: MidnightViper88 Dec 28 2005, 06:56 PM |
| Well, for one thing, chassis rigidity won't help you any when you have near-zero traction in ice, and neither will drivetrain type... You're better off investing in tires... |
| Posted by: snapcase452 Dec 28 2005, 07:08 PM |
| Yeah I really need new tires, I'm just about rolling around in slicks. Well thanks for all the suggestions guys. |
| Posted by: buk sasuke Dec 28 2005, 07:21 PM | ||
but notice i said.... "the cars have too be imported,or rare" not gonna find a 98-01 imprezza easily on the streetz.. |
| Posted by: snapcase452 Dec 28 2005, 07:38 PM |
| ^^^^ I see these Impresa's often here in portland although most are RS a few weeks ago I saw an Sti by my work. |
| Posted by: Möbius Dec 28 2005, 08:47 PM |
| I think now is the proper time for one of my "stupid stuff I see while I'm driving" stories : I was driving home last year on a particularly slippery day ( it was basically icy rain with the temperature just dipping below freezing point, turning to snow, then just dumping snow on top of a thin layer of ice that was already on the road ). I came up behind a big Ford SUV, which was stopped at a stop light. The road was slightly uphill. I changed lanes and stopped in the next lane ( why I did this I do not know, it was a gut feeling, but it turned out that I was right ). When the light turned green, both of us started off... All I saw was the big SUV next to me start spinning both the front and rear wheels, and basically stay in the same spot. I just put it in 2nd gear, gently eased on the accelerator, and started pulling ahead. The SUV driver ( probably upon seeing this and getting frustrated that his AWD SUV was getting nowhere ) floored it even more. The next thing I saw was the SUV slowly sliding over into the lane I was in , but luckily I was far enough ahead by that time that he didn't hit me. So let's recap: He had more traction ( bigger and wider tires ), He had AWD... So what went wrong? |
| Posted by: CrypticApathy Dec 28 2005, 10:04 PM |
| you can get a used Toyota Matrix XR. My friend has the XRS its FWD but there nice cars, lots of room and comfy seats. New they go for about 17k. So used i can imagine them being around 10k. The Matrix and Matrix XR come with AWD. the XRS doesnt . |
| Posted by: sideways Dec 28 2005, 10:05 PM |
| Topic merged |
| Posted by: sabishii Dec 28 2005, 11:37 PM | ||
They're not THAT rare. If you want to get one, there's usually one for sale an hour or two drive away. They're less common than the average car, in that you may have to wait a week or two for one to come up for sale, but not spectacularly rare. And here I'm only speaking about the 2.5RS... The non-2.5s are AWD as well and even more common. |
| Posted by: BOZZ Dec 28 2005, 11:56 PM |
| Someone suggested a Eclipse GSX, I've heard that they have all sorts of problems, any truth to that? |
| Posted by: Frost Dec 29 2005, 04:41 AM | ||
You're comparing a Ford Focus to an Impreza WRX. That is more than I need to say about that. Toss on some snow tires and learn to drive on snow l repeat yet again. I've driven in plenty of snow storms in a FWD Corolla and have had zero problems. Frost |
| Posted by: sabishii Dec 29 2005, 10:21 AM | ||||
He's 21 years old and lives in Portland. Ever consider that he's been driving in snow for more than a year now? Ever consider that he likes the Impreza more than the Focus and that it's okay to like a different car? Ever consider that what he wants to do is to accelerate better in the snow and an AWD would do that? See
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| Posted by: zerocool_designs Dec 29 2005, 10:26 AM | ||
yes... but mainly when you tune and drive (read; up the boost and launch at the rev-limiter) like the typical DSM-guy. |
| Posted by: Frost Dec 29 2005, 03:43 PM | ||||
Point 1: Age does not directly relate to experience. Older not necessarily wiser. I've out accelerated tons of older folks on snow who have apparently been living here longer than I have. Does that mean they're stupid / I'm a genius? No. I just figured out how to use the tires / gas modulation properly. Point 2: So you mean I can compare apples with oranges? Shit man! Someone call the debate police! Man, that Corvette is soooo much sweeter than the 'rolla! Null point. Point 3: You think he would have more traction in a AWD? See my post regarding physics. Guys like you are destroying the facts. AWD does not mean better traction. It just means better use of whatever traction you HAVE. The road sees 4 contact patches regardless of your drivetrain (and assuming same weight and pressure in tires). Frost |
| Posted by: sabishii Dec 29 2005, 04:19 PM | ||||
1. What I read from you was, "Learn how to drive in the snow first on a 2WD" (direct quote) and chances are he knows how to drive in snow. Now you are talking about driving better-than-the-average-person in the snow, so apparently I've misunderstood your point, though don't blame it on me since you articulated your point wrong in the first place. 2. No. He said he drove his friend's WRX and he liked it. And then you come out with "OMG YOU'RE A FANBOY." 3. I only said acceleration, did I not? Maybe I should quote you:
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| Posted by: Frost Dec 29 2005, 04:35 PM | ||||
1. If he can't accelerate on snow with a 2WD and says he needs to get a AWD to do so, does this sound right to you? Your apparent need to defend him has clouded your ability to recognize that he apparently can't accelerate in snow. I love how when someone throws in the "I can't accel in snow but that Evo / Sti / WRX / Impreza / etc. can!" sob story and everyone forgets how prehistoric man ever drove on snow before AWD. Also note I never said to learn to drive in a 2WD. I said that I drove a FWD corolla and had no problems. I don't see a need to get AWD just to accelerate. To go faster on the other hand, okay, I agree but his quote was "I had zero traction" which raises the flag of "Either bad tires or inexperienced driver". I've been there and I know. 2. I was referring to another Impreza fanboy and not him. The one who kinda drove his Impreza like a SUV **hint hint**. Remember his crazy arguements on why AWD rules? Also, my point lies in how he can compare a sports sedan to a regular sedan. I've driven the 2005 Legacy GT and I loved every minute of it but does that mean I look at the Corolla and go "Aw this POS"? It's different. It's like comparing French Bistro cooking to Haute Cuisine at Thomas Kellar's French Laundry. That's almost a travesty! 3. Again go back to my point about WHATEVER TRACTION THERE IS. Now go back to his quote of: "ZERO TRACTION". If he had truly zero traction do you think an AWD would suddenly and mysteriously give him +4 to traction? Recall that I too am I a Subaru fan but not for the same reasons most of you all are. Everyone seems to think AWD is undefeatable which, I guess, is what Subaru wants you to think. Another point to bring up is: If he can't accelerate on snow, I wonder what his ability to stop / slow down on a whim on snow is? Frost |
| Posted by: sabishii Dec 29 2005, 04:43 PM | ||
1. You said "learn to drive in snow" and I said "he has driven in snow before." If you had said "learn to drive better in the snow" the meaning of your words would have been changed drastically and I would have understood your point from the beginning. 2. Oh, okay. 3. You honestly thought there was "zero traction" in that situation? Because if there was "zero traction" the Evo wouldn't have been able to go around him. There is still traction in the snow and, yes, throttle control can help, but AWD will help accelerate easier on "WHATEVER TRACTION THERE IS." |
| Posted by: Frost Dec 29 2005, 04:46 PM |
| Read my edited post. I've added more to point one. Learn to drive in snow is fairly obvious at to what I meant. When you go tell someone to learn how to drive, you don't intend for them to learn half assed, you intend that they learn how to drive PROPERLY. The fact that we're going down to this level of detail means somewhere, you forgot what I was talking about. As for my 3rd point, HE said he has zero traction to which I raise the "BS!" flag and therefore I rolled out my "learn to drive in snow" arguement. See the logic? Frost |
| Posted by: sabishii Dec 29 2005, 04:56 PM | ||
He said "I had no traction and just started sliding to the side, just when I got some traction" which I interpreted as he had wheelspin for a few seconds and then got going. He didn't mean a zero traction situation because of the second part of the sentence after the comma. Yes, learning to drive better in the snow would help, but AWD helps manage the traction better too. And, what do you know, maybe he could learn to drive better AND get AWD at the same time. |
| Posted by: BOZZ Dec 29 2005, 05:40 PM | ||
You forgot to add he drove it like an SUV on a flooded lane... Either way to the original poster regarding which car to get... Try researching a bit more before getting a new car... I've got to agree with a lot of points Frost made about AWD... It is not necessarily the be all end all... Realize that it also eats more gas than a 2WD... Just do research... It's a big purchase, when I went to buy a new PC I researched for weeks on what parts would be most suitable to me... And that thing is no where near as expensive as a car ($10,000 USD). Don't take what people are saying here for granted, go out and do research, ask people at car forums such as www.nasioc.com/ and people at car shops/shows... |
| Posted by: CrypticApathy Dec 29 2005, 06:07 PM | ||
Yes thats one of there main selling points. all subaru's are awd. I dunno what the hell a 360 is, but it aint on there website. I dunno if they have always been awd but they have for a long time now. I dont see how some of you can argue that awd wont be better on snow/ice. Same concept with going offroad, 4wd and awd are better then 2wd. If your front wheels get stuck you can still get yourself out with your rear wheels, if your rear wheels get stuck you can still get out with your front. Hell you only need 1 wheel to move a car anyway so you have twice as good of a chance at getting traction be it on mud,rocks,snow,ice. then you do with only a 2wd car. |
| Posted by: Frost Dec 29 2005, 07:35 PM |
| I didn't say it won't be better but "better" is a very very vague term. I don't know about the most of you but I've lived in a country that used to be mostly desert (changed a lot now) in anywhere but the cities. 4x4s were almost MANDATORY if you were to leave the city and I will swear by the Toyota Landcruiser as the one vehicle I would always rely on. 4x4's are great to get out of ruts, soft sand (assuming you have at least one free wheel on good traction) and rubble. The catch with 4x4's and AWD's is that people think they have MORE traction than any other drivetrain when in fact they don't. If you put a 2WD on a road coated with super slick oil, it won't go anywhere. Put my high and mighty Landcruiser and it STILL won't go anywhere. It's all about the tires at that point. A car can only move forward if the tires can catch the ground. If they can't, regardless of drivetrain, it won't go anywhere. Contrary to what most of you might be lead to believe, AWD is not the same as 4WD. 4WD's to most people who use it all the time in the situations I mentioned would kick AWD's asses anyday of the week. AWD is meant for rougher-than-normal conditions but not extreme conditions like say on a 35 degree incline on a rocky mountain. Correct me if I am wrong but 4x4s lock all 4 wheels to spin at the same rate. AWD's use a combination of differentials to get the power to whichever wheel does not slip. Both are not the same. Frost |
| Posted by: CrypticApathy Dec 29 2005, 08:28 PM |
| Theres a thread sticked about AWD vs 4WD. Thats what i was talkinga bout though, if you have 4 tires that can move as opposted to 2 that move. You have a better chance of finding some ground you can stick too. Your chances of finding the better ground just doubled or trippled depending if you have lsd or not. |
| Posted by: Möbius Dec 29 2005, 09:19 PM | ||
| This thread is too funny... AWD for everyday driving is not necessary, and is not much of a difference. Driving skill makes a much bigger difference than AWD vs. FWD. AWD is much better in low grip conditions, that is true... Provided you are pushing your car at 10/10... Now for people who are not called Sainz or Auriol... There are FWD cars for everyday driving. Point is: If you cannot drive a FWD car in the snow, and you get an AWD car because of that reason... You are going to wind up in the ditch with an AWD car, merely because you are getting into the "AWD is invincible" minset. How come most of the cars I see in the ditch after a snowstorm are AWD? ( Yes , I even saw Impreza's in the ditch already >_< Poor Impreza's >_< ) BTW, if we are going to talk about driving experience in the thread, I do not think anyone is going to compare to Frost or myself in the amount driven in all different driving conditions ( not boasting, just stating a fact that I'm not talking out of books, I'm talking out of experience ). Maybe I need to post more of my "AWD drivers think they're invicible stories".
Is that why I was able to outstart the AWD SUV with my FWD car in my previous post? |
| Posted by: CrypticApathy Dec 29 2005, 09:22 PM |
| Wow apex a little conceded? |
| Posted by: Möbius Dec 29 2005, 09:34 PM | ||
One more "AWD driver thinks his car is invincible" : Also last year, on another day, follwing a 10-15cm dump of snow, I was driving home again. This time I decided not to take the highway, and was taking local roads instead. The setting : A 4 lane road witha 60km/h speed limit, around 1am, no one else on the road. I was doing around 50km/h in the outside lane, as it had less snow in it. I started nearing a car that was going substantially slower than I was. I slowed down a bit, but I was still closing upon the other car. By this time I was doing around 40km/h and still behind the other car by a really safe distance. But... Even at 40km/h , I was still getting closer to the other car. I slowed down even more, but it became apparent that I was going to have to pass the other car unless I wanted to go all the way driving at around 30 km/h or so... So I changed lanes into the lane with all the snow ( no one had driven in this lane previously, so it had a buildup of snow ), and I started to go up closer to the other car to pass him. As I got closer, I saw that it was a Talon Tsi... The other driver saw I was getting ready to pass him, so he started speeding up.He was having trouble controlling his car, probably due to poor driving techniques... So I slowed down not wanting to risk a collision in case he came out of his lane due to inadequate control. When I dropped back behind him ( still in the othern lane ), he slowed down again. I eventually passed him, and he was trying his best to keep up. I was monitoring his progress in the rearview mirror, as he was , futilely I might add, to keep up ( I wasn't pushing it , either ). Then one second, I saw his headlights make a sudden turn ( snap, one might say ), to the left...He probably spun his AWD car. |
| Posted by: CrypticApathy Dec 30 2005, 06:53 PM | ||
I was refering to this
I doubt you are nearly as good as you claim to be. |
| Posted by: Frost Dec 30 2005, 07:05 PM |
| He's saying: "I do not think anyone is going to compare to Frost or myself in the amount driven in all different driving conditions." That means he's trying to say that the two of us have probably driven more distances in all sorts of conditions than most people here. Heck, with the mileage I put on, I doubt some of you put the km's that I put on in day than you do in a week. Does that mean I'm better? Hell no. But it certainly does mean I've seen more. Frost |
| Posted by: CrypticApathy Dec 30 2005, 08:34 PM |
| Hes bragging that he is better then soemone else when he really has no idea. I dunno what kinda conditions he drives in and how often, but he doesnt know what other people do either. |
| Posted by: Möbius Dec 30 2005, 08:59 PM | ||
If someone goes "I don't feel safe driving a FWD car in slippery conditons, I better get an AWD car", that tells me more then enough of how much driving experience he has... Not really bragging, I was just clarifying the point that some of us do know what we're talking about... |
| Posted by: Frost Dec 30 2005, 09:00 PM |
| Dude are you just blind or illiterate? He said: "IN THE AMOUNT DRIVEN". That has nothing to do with skill but everything to do with QUANTITY. I repeat: QUANTITY not QUALITY. Frost |
| Posted by: CrypticApathy Dec 31 2005, 02:49 PM | ||
what chu talking about frost?
i never said you didnt, but you cant say your better then most people b/c of how much you have or what kinda conditions you have driven in or what not. Hell i know i cant drive on show. i live in florida, ive never had a reason to learn to drive in snow, so yes more then likly ill end up in a ditch or smashed int o something if i try it. Does that make you better then me or anyone else b/c you drive in diffrent conditions? That just makes you more well rounded is all. Its the same affect as me bragging about driving in the rain. Hell it rains here atleast once or twice a week. |
| Posted by: Möbius Dec 31 2005, 03:37 PM | ||||
Never said I was better...
Only once or twice a week? That's like everywhere else... |
| Posted by: Frost Dec 31 2005, 03:44 PM | ||
Do you know what the meaning of "WELL ROUNDED" is? More talented in all areas than the average guy is. MORE TALENTED. It IMPLIES that the person in question is BETTER in all areas than the average person. While it does not mean the best, it certainly does mean better overall. You, of all, people said that about me. Not me. So what does that mean? You just shot yourself in the foot. Of course I can say I'm more experienced than most because I have driven and still am driving more clicks than the average joe. Never said I was better though. I plainly stated I've seen much more to make better decisions that's all. How many times need I repeat that? Find me my post where I explicitly say I'm better. You can't even see your own friggin' arguement let alone understand others. Frost |
| Posted by: CrypticApathy Dec 31 2005, 05:55 PM | ||
no it just means your average with things, a person can be great at alot of things and suck at 1 thing and be better off in a well rounded person. Well rounded is minicore. Frost, i dunno how you got in the argument you werent the one that commented on yourself being better then other people. Apex was i never said anythinga bout you. id give it more credit that you are since you got credit from someone else instead of tooting your on horn. |
| Posted by: Frost Dec 31 2005, 06:19 PM | ||
Stop butchering the english language. Definition of well rounded: "well-rounded: Main Entry: well-round·ed Pronunciation: -'raun-d&d Function: adjective : fully or broadly developed: as a : having a broad educational background" http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/well%20rounded Fully or broadly developed. DEVELOPED being the key word compared to the average person. What the heck is "minicore" I got in the arguement because I love how people can point their finger at people for no apparent reason. Apex was not being arrogant (I hope you also know the meaning of that word) and I just jumped in because you stated he was arrogant (plus his post involved me in it anyways). Frost |
| Posted by: Cubits Dec 31 2005, 09:24 PM |
| Back on topic, AWD's suffer the understeer characteristics of both fwd and rwd platforms (unless they're loaded with technology). Lifting off will often result in understeer where a fwd will be able to tighten it's line. The way to corner fast in an awd requires far more commitment than in either a fwd or rwd, and once you've run out of grip you have fewer options to gather it up. |
| Posted by: boss Jan 17 2006, 04:30 AM |
I want to know if a Saturn is a good beginner car? Are they even race worthy? Do you think someone can inform me plz? I'd be very grateful thanks.  |
| Posted by: awdrifter Jan 17 2006, 04:54 AM |
| The older Saturns sucks. Not sure about the new ones tho, the Ion Redline Supercharged looks nice. |
| Posted by: RandRace Jan 17 2006, 11:38 AM |
| http://www.teamscr.com/racefaq.html Light, IRS, DOHC engine... they can be worked with. |
| Posted by: zerocool_designs Jan 17 2006, 01:10 PM |
| Saturns get a bad rap. They cost next to nothing (my 89 Acura has a better book value than my roommate's 96 Saturn), they are really light, as in <2400lbs (the coupes), and there is a decent DOHC 1.9l. When compared to a Honda DOHC I4, the Saturn 1.9 seems pretty weak, ~125hp, but when coupled with the body lighter than an EK hatch it's not bad. My roomate's SC spent the first half of its life as a rice-car (I remember him hooking-up under-body neons to his turn signals, and creating his own LED halo headlights back in high-school), but now he's lost all that shit, and is working on boosting the thing. A couple of months ago he completed his engine and tranny swap (SOHC to DOHC, then Auto to 5-speed done seperatly), and I lent a helping hand or two. And with nothing but a CAI, custom exhaust, and some poor tires, the thing barks 3rd. But I can tell you the thing is pretty simple to work on, every imaginable part can be found in a junkyard (we actually pulled his current engine from a junkyard Saturn and sat it in his passanger seat for the ride home ). If you have any interest in Saturn, check-out the forums over at http://www.turbosaturns.net/ ... I've seen video's of a Saturn sedan beating a high-boost 4th gen Supra. Or even pictures of a V8, RWD Saturn SC. Your biggest problem with Saturns will be available parts. It seems like my roommate has to custom fab everything he does to the thing. |
| Posted by: takahiro1985 Jan 17 2006, 03:18 PM |
| They are pretty good. My family has a 95 SL, with the SOHC and a manual tranny. It moves, and gets good gas mileage. We got up to 40 MPG once. The only problem is that it has 160,000+ miles on the engine and the oil rings are gone, so it burns oil, but not too bad tho. It has even surrived being rear-ended by a Chevy sport truck at 50mph(we were standing still) and being shoved under a GMC full sized dually truck. No frame damage. It may not redline high, but it has some pull for a little econo car. |
| Posted by: sideways Jan 17 2006, 08:35 PM |
| If racing is your thing id turn else where. About 120 hp/torque from a dohc 1.9 isnt all that special. ive never heard about their curb weight nor their chassis/suspenion geomtry- but i think its safe to say theres a reason you dont see them battling it out with cones in autox. Of course you could probably make a decent one if you bring out the forced induction bat, but thats youre call. If its a cheap daily beater that can get decent gas usage, sure go nuts. If youre looking for a cheap sports car theres some better options depending on your price i think- CRXs are still at the top of my list. A honda suspension/chassis coupled to a curb weight under 2k pounds makes for some good fun. Theyre still pretty cheap, and aftermarket support is huge. b16 swaps are to my knowledge easy to do, and very easy to find one done already for a decent price (around 2k). This will be merged into the X car thread later |
| Posted by: Jabberwocky Jan 17 2006, 08:56 PM |
| Although I they they are very decent cars. I would not buy one base on resale value alone. I would not buy a Hyundai or Kia for the same reason. The car depreciates too quickly. The true cost ownership is backloaded - you pay once for the car, then you lose money again when ytou sell. I would advise you to only buy one if you dont intend to sell. |
| Posted by: zerocool_designs Jan 17 2006, 09:09 PM |
| I should've mentioned that since high-school (~2002), my roommate has gone through two or three CV's, he's on his 2nd alternator, 2nd set of shocks, and 3rd engine. It's also left him stranded on the side of the road 1/2 a dozen times. Jabberwocky has a good point with resale value, but actually, the car will probably end-up in a junkyard before the bulletin board. But, if you're looking to build a car to race, you should have the automotive know-how to keep the thing running. And the beauty of the Saturn is, whenever you blow your engine due to too high of revs and/or boost, you can go to the junkyard and pick-up a "fresh-to-you" engine for ~$150. |
| Posted by: sideways Jan 18 2006, 12:06 AM |
| Ya but do you want to -keep- spending the 150, to go through the trouble of dumping it in there, full well knowing ahead of time its going to take a crap on you as well? You get what you pay for |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Jan 18 2006, 01:03 AM | ||
*cough* rx7 *cough* |
| Posted by: sideways Jan 18 2006, 04:15 AM |
| Once again, u get what you pay for Buy a cheap rx7 on its last leg, dotn B*tch when it dies on u. Spend the extra bucks to find one on a rebuild and youll get a lot of life out of that thing |
| Posted by: M3D1C Jan 23 2006, 05:30 PM |
| What is a good fast car for the least amount of money? (talking under 8,000) |
| Posted by: zerocool_designs Jan 24 2006, 08:16 AM |
| 1st gen AWD DSM with a giant turbo... It should last you a good summer. Looking for something fast out of the box, and with some relative reliability, Get an LS1 F-body (mid/late 90's), they can be had for ~$5,000. *EDIT* DSM= Eclipse/Talon/Laser; F-Body= Comaro/Firebird. Figured I should probably clear those up. |
| Posted by: Gizmo Feb 9 2006, 03:08 PM |
| im currently 15, and very soon going to be 16, around the same time i leave school and get a job, and the first thing to do is obvious, SAVE FOR A CAR!!! so, i looked around, and found several cars i like, i just cant decide which to start saving for, and most importantly, how much am i looking for a decent looking car (although im looking for a project) anyways, heres my List... Toyota Trueno (total Fanboy car, but, i love retractable lights )Suzuki Cappuccino (kinda fell in love with car quite recently) EG6 Vtec (nice, cheap, reliable, but, a RICER's car :/) 1st Gen RX7 (Oldskool rotary, cheap, possibly easy to insure to  i would like to keep it japanese for my first and last. so, what are your thoughts? |
| Posted by: lance Feb 9 2006, 03:16 PM |
| get your license first would be a good start car can come after that ZzzzZ your not legal to drive (or get a permit) untill your 17 (in uk anyways) |
| Posted by: Bishop Feb 9 2006, 03:19 PM |
He's in the UK  Shouldn't this have been posted in, https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=14621 |
| Posted by: Gizmo Feb 9 2006, 03:31 PM |
| well, i know how to drive (i do oval racing) so my test will be a breeze, but i was mainly looking for any bad things about my car choices, like, engine troubles, and how much im looking for a decent one |
| Posted by: Bubs Feb 9 2006, 03:45 PM | ||
I suggest you wait on that car until you have the money to import one, and that can be trouble. This is guessing that you live in the US, I could be wrong. An RX-7 probably wouldn't be the easiest thing to insure, and you need to think about the reliability of an old rotary. Not trying to bring down hopes or anything, just giving suggestions. Give us some more details about exactly what sort of car you want, and that can make it easier for us to help you out. |
| Posted by: Gizmo Feb 9 2006, 03:47 PM |
| i live in the UK. my ideal car would be "jap" and "Rear Drive", i dont want to go towards the escorts and stuff, i like my jap 4 cylinder muscle. although, the cappo was about the same level as the 86 on my list. |
| Posted by: DALAZ_68 Feb 9 2006, 03:51 PM | ||
then why include EG6!? or is that ur final choice ovarall the other cars |
| Posted by: Gizmo Feb 9 2006, 03:58 PM |
| well, i would like to re-plicate something the 86 would be the stage 4 86 Cappo would be the siatama allaince, and the EG6 would be shingo's |
| Posted by: lance Feb 9 2006, 03:58 PM | ||
lol, well enough said, insurance for male 17 year olds, will most likely cost more than the car... good luck, you should jst stick to what all other british ppl get, a peugot 206 or renault clio |
| Posted by: Kerxn Feb 9 2006, 04:00 PM |
| Ah, fanboys. They make me want to puke. |
| Posted by: DALAZ_68 Feb 9 2006, 04:00 PM | ||
our eg6 was a beutifull replica but some drunk smashed into it, we re plicated to a point were me and my bro decided not to since it would cost to much |
| Posted by: Untitled Feb 9 2006, 04:01 PM | ||
QFT I remember when i wanted to get a corolla to be like takumi. Those were crappy days |
| Posted by: Bubs Feb 9 2006, 04:11 PM | ||
Alright, so then getting a Cappuccino won't be a problem. One thing to consider is, do you plan on going out with a bunch of friends, or giving rides and such? An 86 might be a better option. If not, then the Cappuccino sounds good. |
| Posted by: lance Feb 9 2006, 04:14 PM |
86 in UK costs atleast 3k.... unless your pretty well off, or your parents are, get urself a 206! and forget all about the initial d bullshit...  |
| Posted by: sideways Feb 9 2006, 04:29 PM |
| It shouldve been put in the "good car" thread, i move threads in there all the time- but i always give warning of when i will first, so the author doesnt go wondering where his thread went. This of course is no different, This thread will be moved later tonight. The Eg would be a great car, honda power plant and chassis, as always the double wishbone suspension- theyre great cars for laying down times. If youre interested, a 2nd gen crx (like later 80s, had the double wishbone where as the first gen didnt) is also a great choice, easy to find them for around 2k with a b16 already swaped into them. Cappos are just grossly underpowered, theres not a lot you can do to a 3 cylinder engine either (theres examples of them with around 100 hp or more and theyre probably fun, but thats a highly boosted engine so ive my doubts the engine will last too long). he ae86 is good imo but expensive for what it is- as long as you dont buy a lemon you shouldnt have any problems with it. The 1st gen rx7 is a bit of a wild card, being such an old rotary it can be rather pricey to buy one in good condition, and it will probably have problems all along the way. __ Really just comes down to what you want to be doing with the car, how much you want to spend, and how much you will be able to spend down the line. |
| Posted by: Mr. Shine Feb 9 2006, 05:10 PM |
| I imagine the Cappucino will be hard to find regardless of where you live unless you have the money. Even in New Zealand where imports are comparatively (to most of the rest of the world) dirt cheap, Cappucino's are expensive and impossible to find. I'd stick with getting an EG6, you can't really go too far wrong with a Honda reliability-wise. If you're set on FR though, there's also the 200SX as an option. I'm not sure how expensive they are over there, but my first car was a 180SX here in New Zealand. Loved it, still do. Miss it dearly - the best car I ever owned and I sold it |
| Posted by: crazyman Feb 9 2006, 05:17 PM | ||||
unbrainwash ur mind of ID and get a good reliable starter car like a peugeut (sp?)
well said lance |
| Posted by: cynlix Feb 9 2006, 05:30 PM |
| Rx-7s sure are cheap to buy, but definitly NOT cheap to maintain. Maybe an old NA Mazda Mx-5 would be a good choice? Cheap, reliable, great handling. And since you seem like a fanboy type, there was an mx-5 in the beginning of forth stage. |
| Posted by: Kakashi Feb 9 2006, 05:47 PM | ||
another initial d fanboy! Get your license first and learn how to drive before you start fixing up cars. DO you like any euro cars since you live in europe? |
| Posted by: Alex Feb 9 2006, 06:05 PM | ||
oxymoron of the day. The 1st gen RX7 would be a handfull maint. wise. |
| Posted by: lotteman Feb 9 2006, 06:21 PM |
| SAA2 would have some reliability problems for the engine. I think the EG6 is nice. And no its not a ricer car. Anything can be a ricer car depending on how the person "tunes" it.(if you wanna call it that) I'd go for the EG6 only because of your age. The Trueno sounds nice too. |
| Posted by: Rudy Feb 9 2006, 06:27 PM |
| Can people please stop bashing on him for his car choices? If he didn't really want them, he wouldn't've made his choice clear. Thx in advance. Now. Of the choices I'd go with the EG6. Why? Because they're extremely light hatches, have pretty damn good suspension setups - so do as GTS stated the 2nd gen CRX (the choice I'd personally lean torwards anyways) and are as reliable as anything to ever come out of a Honda factory. As frugal, as well. Because it's FF you'll probably have a good chance of getting cheaper insurance, and - since I'll tell you from experience... - RWD's are a handful in the snow - especially to new drivers. If anything it'd be a draw off between that and the AE86. Personally I'd get a 92 but out of that selection my preference would be an 86. Just no tofu stickers, please? Edit: One more reason I'd lean torwards the EG6; I'm fairly sure the B engines don't require 93 octane; the 4A line does. |
| Posted by: TRD-hachi-roku Feb 9 2006, 07:52 PM |
| blue top, big port 4ages do not require only the 87 octane in US... only the high compression 4ages (redtop small port, silver top, blacktop) require high octane the ae86's suspension layout is archaic...(sad to say it...) but it definately works...the eg however has much more potential for better road holding power...the ae86 will be more fun to drive...the eg can be much more competitive...if you so desire |
| Posted by: Jabberwocky Feb 9 2006, 07:52 PM | ||
Seriously, it is like the bad rerun that wont go away.  The best first car is the Hyundai Accent. I comes standard with things like a steering wheel, driver's seat, brakes AND gas pedals, and 4 wheels just like a real race car. Rice is old school, it is all about the KDM now.  |
| Posted by: lotteman Feb 9 2006, 07:57 PM | ||
oh man! Get a CRX and gut it and supercharge it! Stick some nice coilovers and stuff, and you got one hell of a track car! |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Feb 9 2006, 08:38 PM |
| All the best of luck to the guy. My little brother is 16 and only now learning how to drive my dad's auto dodge neon on public roads w/ my dad riding shotgun (must have a driver with over 5 years experience riding shotgun - as indicated on his license). After he passes the Neon, the next test is known as IMPREZA. |
| Posted by: shi. Feb 9 2006, 08:38 PM | ||
Haha Yeah, if you can't locate a Hyundai (seeing as they're rare and in high demand these days), I'd go with the Kia Spectra. It has four doors and an e-brake, so you can put STi or Ralliart badges on it and make a WRC replica. My sources tell me it's going to be the car that beats Project D Keisuke on the uphill, so you'd better get one before the bandwagon is standing-room only... |
| Posted by: bearbox Feb 9 2006, 08:55 PM |
| a Cappuccino |
| Posted by: Kerxn Feb 9 2006, 10:10 PM | ||
Oh wow, nothing to do but bash on Korean cars, huh? You've got to hand it to them they've improved a whole lot during the last few years, granted the Azera was a Motor Trend finalist, while it's competitor the Avalon, wasn't. (don't compare it to other cars, we're talking about about price, class and looks) Safety has improved, there has been a sharp increase in Hyundai enthusiasts thanks to the sporty coupe Tiburon. If you took off the badges of the Hyundai Azera, you wouldn't know it by looking at it (Unless you've seen it of course) or by driving it. Improving reliability with the same good ol' 10 year/100,000 mile warranty. I've got to hand you the bad points as well, long-term reliability and resale value, but I feel that if you're looking toward a car in the U.K, go for Malaysian, Korean or French unless you want insurance to rape you and call it's 10 other friends. At least a cheap, non-piston, non-turbo car. So out of those I'd say the Cappo (can you say slower than a moped) 86 (getting a car older than yourself is not a good idea) and the EG6 (Awesome!) Narrowed down to: EG6 |
| Posted by: ~Rev Free~ Feb 9 2006, 11:46 PM |
| get a FF so you don't die. haha. thats what everyone tells me. but for me im 16. i need the RE its just in my blood. so it narrows my choice down to a RE car. |
| Posted by: Jabberwocky Feb 9 2006, 11:50 PM |
| The Hyundai Accent is the Korean Ferrari. It combines refinements like reclining seats, carpeting, heating, air conditioning, and windows that roll up and down just like the Bentley Arnage with the reliability, drivabilty, and gas consumption of the Honda Civic. This car is bound to become a classic collector's car. Think of it not as a car but as an investment you can drive. A car this good can only go up in value. It is a no brainer really. Hyundai makes the best cars in the world. If you ever go to South Korea, virtually everyone drives a Hyundai. Thirty-eight million Koreans can't be wrong. Just look at how fast the Hyundai Accent WRC rally car is. Many professional racing teams piloting their EVOs and WRXs have fallen to the wayside as the Accent triumphantly blazes its path to the top. The Hyundai Accent is a street legal rally car with a racing pedigree that can not be denied. The crooked H badge is a symbol of Korean pride and ingenuity (those Honda guys are just cheap copycats). Sure you can buy a Porsche or Ferrari, but those are cars for rich snobs who don't know better. If you want to stand out in the crowd. You need something that both distinguishes you as a true sports car aficionado and serves as a status symbol to show off your wealth, something that announces to the world that you've finally made it to the top - No car makes that statement clearer than the Hyundai Accent.  <sarcasm off> |
| Posted by: DALAZ_68 Feb 10 2006, 12:07 AM | ||
very true so many think that fr and ff handle the same they dont iv seen stupidity at it most go with Eg6 man it rocks |
| Posted by: chrisfromda909 Feb 10 2006, 12:47 AM | ||
| im just gooing to repeat someone else here (its probably me) your 15. you dont need a car. you dont need to drift. you need to learn how to drive. you need to learn how to drive safely. when your old enough to buy your own car with your own money, then you can go f**k around and kill yourself. i see kids like you all day long screaming im 16 i wanna drift what car do i buy i need mods and turbo blah blah blah.
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| Posted by: darkpaladinzz Feb 10 2006, 07:10 AM |
| yeah..dont mess ID with real life |
| Posted by: sabishii Feb 10 2006, 12:54 PM | ||||
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Anyways, out of those cars I'd go for the EG6. The AE86 is a good car, too, but as mentioned before it can be expensive due to hype. Otherwise, if you find one for a fair/cheap price, then there's nothing wrong with getting one. And don't worry about it being an FR... it's not like you're putting 300hp to the wheels so that you spin out if you tap the gas. But the 86 isn't really much better than the Civic, so don't get the 86 if you have to pay a premium. The Cappucino as others have said is quite slow, you may not like it. If you REALLY want it, then give it a test drive, and maybe you'll like it. As for the RX7, maintenance may be a problem. |
| Posted by: Untitled Feb 10 2006, 07:12 PM |
| If a car is going to be your first one is has to be practical. A civic is a very practical car, My brother bought one really cheap like 1500 dollars with 130k miles on it. Still ran strong. You should be looking at cars that are great first cars and not cars that are 'OMGZ LOOK IM TAKUMI 11K REDLINE DRIFT LAWL!!!!1. Im 15 right now and i understand that. I already know what my first car is gonna be, its gonna be a 200sx.My brother( A ) got it as his first car,He crashed it twice then he got a new car and our older brother( B ) took it for himself.He was the one that got it for ( A ). He fixed it up it a regular nice car. Now im gonna get it from ( B ) when its my time to learn how to drive. Im either gonna receive it or im going to pay for it. Either way im happy. |
| Posted by: sabishii Feb 10 2006, 08:05 PM | ||
I don't see how the Corolla is anywhere near impractical. Really, there isn't any list of "good first cars." Any car that is safe in a crash, not too powerful, not twitch-oversteer-happy, not overpriced or too expensive for your budget, not a super gas-guzzler, is reliable enough not to break down every few miles, easy to maintain, etc. is fine as a "first car." |
| Posted by: Untitled Feb 10 2006, 08:38 PM |
| I think its Way too old. Come on a 1986-87 corolla would never come without any problems and if it did they would cost a crap load of money. Also newer cars are alot more safe. I dont think a "trueno" came with Abs or Traction control or power steering to that matter. First cars should be as safe as possible because you know new drivers tend to get into accidents and i know i may get into a accident when i start driving. |
| Posted by: lotteman Feb 10 2006, 09:04 PM | ||
<3 i love that celica.... |
| Posted by: sideways Feb 10 2006, 09:12 PM |
| Beyond a stupid buy in price (which in the long run is still fairly cheap if you plan on doing sports) the corollas fine. You dont need abs nor traction control, especialy in a 2300 pound car that put 100 to the wheels when the engine was brand new, you can bring the car to near redlien and sidestep teh clutch and get a few feet of tire spin. Its possible to drift by really pitching it hard into a corner and laying on the gas, but if youre sliding and slaming onthe gas in an accident chances are you shouldnt be driving. The abs is debatable, of course a trained driver can normally out-do most abs system, you jsut have to squeeze the brakes rather then slamming on them- this requires a calm and alert driver, this is the where the troubles come in. Ive even had a handfull of situation where abs caused more problems then it solved (in a miata of all cars). The ae86 does however commonly have power-steering, not that i see how thats an importance of safety though. To top it off the insurance is cheap, it gets good gas mileage, has plenty of space- etc. And theyre fun cars. Theres plenty about them that is "practical". Theyre about 3k to buy in "good" condition, thats one thats clean inside and out, sound mechanicly- maybe ab it "rough" around the edges due to its age, but itd be more then capable. If not you bought yourself a lemon. As ive said, if you want this for a performance car, thats still a decent buy in, the potential is there, the fun is there, and theres a huge aftermarket with their popularity. And face it, if you find yourself going "Ennnhhh...." at that type of buy in, chances are performance driving in general will be way out of your price range. If youre just buying it for a grocery getter with no sports in mind, then yes- there are LOTS of much better alternatives. For the rest, well read the sig. |
| Posted by: lotteman Feb 10 2006, 09:17 PM |
| Celica supra nO? or maybe i just can't see. w/e still hot either way. |
| Posted by: chrisfromda909 Feb 11 2006, 08:32 AM | ||
It aint no Celica Supra with 2zjgte. and yes its very hot. regarding the "86", its a 20 year old car. your going to have to replace a lot of stuff and its going to get expensive. BTW my first car was an 86 accord with suspension. got more hp to the ground than a corolla and still got it sideways. |
| Posted by: spoon ek9 Feb 25 2006, 02:41 PM |
| What about a EF9 or EF8? |
| Posted by: spl1nt3r Mar 5 2006, 08:20 PM |
| so i'm looking for a new car, summer car that is, but i'm getting stuck at the decision of what i really want... Price Range: about $12K Drivetrain: MR, FR, or AWD Others: large aftermarket * reliable -i was thinking bmw e30 m3, bmw e36 m3, or maybe an audi a4 1.8t w/ quattro or maybe a toyota mr2, or nissan 240sx [i'd love to do an s15 conversion on one] *in regards to the aftermarket, i'm not needing anything like civic support, but i don't want to custom fab everything [just some stuff] edit: or i could i keep my '98 accord and swap in a k24a2 from a tsx with a 6 speed [just putting in some other options] so let me know what you kids think i should do |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Mar 5 2006, 10:04 PM |
| This is just a shot in the dark... But most of the vehicles you listed are quite different from each other so I'm guessing you really arent sure what you want.. I would try to take a test drive in all of them to decide what is you like most. |
| Posted by: spl1nt3r Mar 6 2006, 09:20 AM |
| yea that would be a good call i really don't know what i want, besides of course a good platform to build on handling and acceleration are pretty high on my list.... but i like tall gears hey if anyone owns or extensively drove one of those cars i listed, please IM me on AIM or YIM, i have a couple questions for ya |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Mar 6 2006, 06:04 PM |
| Your Honda Accord has a much bigger aftermarket than any of the cars you listed. Just letting you know. I drove 98 Honda Accord Sedan the other day, MT and "V-Tec" - had 175000 km's on it. It wasnt the most fun car to drive, not fast either, the seating is awkward, but i got to admit, these cars drive real smooth. EDIT: The accord is also much more reliable and easier to maintain than the rest of those cars. I can tell you right now that an AWD is going to cost you a hefty amount to keep it from clunking out on you - and if you are not familiar with differentials i recommend you have it taken care of by a professional (which most times will cost you big $$$). All those luxury sports coupes/sedans you mentioned btw are also going to cost you alot in the end if you dont know the specific requirements the need to be kept in top running condition - and the requirments are pretty expensive too. Out of the list you made, the 240SX is the only one that I would go with if i was in your situation - and since it's a summer car you want, RWD shouldnt be bad at all. |
| Posted by: spl1nt3r Mar 6 2006, 08:03 PM |
| thanks for the input the next summer car i plan on getting is going straight performance, and i've done enough "parts shopping" that i'm happy with what those cars have to offer. i know my poor accord is slow, but the intended k series swap would solve most of that problem, especially because i would finally have 16-lobe real v-tec the only awd that i listed, the a4, i have large support with in the form of other tuners in the area who have literally broken almost everything on their cars and tuned them quite nicely (except for the one poor kid who experienced detonation) chances of this car staying naturally aspirated are slim to none, should it start its life that way the whole beautiful part of this being my summer car is that it can have some down time the cars i'm shooting the blindest at are the 240 and the mr2, thugh i'm sure the internet would yield quite a bit of 240 support i guess i'm leaning most towards the ///Ms or the a4 (it been a dream since i was 14 or so to have an ///M), but i hear you about the expensive side of things aftermarket, i guess should have been more specific about, i just don't want to go somewhere and have the people go "you have a what? with a WHAT?!?" reliability, i don't want something like horror stories of what i've heard with some of these poor late model 13Bs, poor rotaries (i love 'em though ) |
| Posted by: xkhol Mar 7 2006, 05:59 PM |
| I'm looking to buy a car in a few months. I want something relatively cheap, but that I can also learn from and have fun in. I was thinking about a 240SX >_> How are they in terms of reliability and gas consumption? Good first car? I'm going to college soon, so a cheap, reliable car is a must. Thanks in advance |
| Posted by: Ayako Watanabe Mar 7 2006, 06:33 PM |
| Okay right now I'm in a bit of a decision going on. I am planning to get a car by September at the least. And I'm choosing between a Lexus IS300 or a Subaru WRX 4 Door from 1992. Which one of these should I choose? O.O |
| Posted by: zerocool_designs Mar 7 2006, 07:25 PM |
| Did you just ask weather you should get a 2001-2005 Lexus, or a 1992 Subaru? (and may I ask, where are you finding a '92 WRX?) |
| Posted by: Ayako Watanabe Mar 8 2006, 02:41 PM |
| There is a WRX STI by a dealership around here, those small dealerships that sell imports and such. its a Blue 4 door model. And yes thats what I am basically looking for, unless you can recommend me something better and affordable that I can take on a track event yet drive it as a daily driver (well maybe), then Im on all ears |
| Posted by: spl1nt3r Mar 8 2006, 02:47 PM |
| hmmm, not to be mean, but..... ::slap:: ....IS300 |
| Posted by: Ayako Watanabe Mar 8 2006, 03:54 PM |
| ^Well I'm just asking. I had cars that I wanted to pick and I ended up with these final two. |
| Posted by: sabishii Mar 8 2006, 07:17 PM |
| I'd take the WRX. What are the prices/mileage (for the WRX especially)? |
| Posted by: Möbius Mar 8 2006, 07:28 PM |
| Wouldn't the '92 WRX be RHD? Not sure, but I think there was no WRX outside of the japanese market at that time... Maybe Demon could clarify... |
| Posted by: spl1nt3r Mar 8 2006, 07:47 PM |
| well he claims its a '92 STI which doesn't exist, the first STIs, even in Japan were made in '93 |
| Posted by: Möbius Mar 8 2006, 07:55 PM |
| Oh, completely missed the STi part... Good catch... |
| Posted by: spl1nt3r Mar 8 2006, 08:05 PM |
| thanks... a recommendation for ayako, if yuo don't want to spend quite so much cash on an IS300 would be something like an a4, i have a friend on campus who has a ridiculously fast set-up he's got a race suspension on it, which he still drives in the winter (just adds snow tires) its got a t3/t4 turbo (sry i don't know exactly what one) and is making close to 350 whp i think he said, last time he dynoed it its still a 4dr and awd this kids set-up is pretty much why i'm thinking of selling my honda for an audi [by thinking, i mean trying] its real quick, but on the other hand, this kid's roomate has a wrx with a built sti motor and a gtr40 (estimated 550 whp) |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Mar 8 2006, 08:07 PM |
| WRX version 1 only in Japan. Didnt come in "STi". Just WRX. Came out sometime in 93-94. But early Imprezas did come in both sedan and coupe. |
| Posted by: Möbius Mar 8 2006, 09:10 PM | ||
So only RHD, right? |
| Posted by: BOZZ Mar 8 2006, 09:33 PM |
| Yeah, most likely. There could be a few cases where early Impreza WRXes were made with LHD and released in Europe. I know I saw a few GC8 WRXes in Turkey that were LHD, but I doubt any were Version Is... |
| Posted by: Ayako Watanabe Mar 9 2006, 02:21 PM |
| Well im kinda confused on the whole Subaru thing since i dont know which one is an STi and the other a WRX, only IMpreza, need to do more research. I CAN tell you how it simply looks like if it helps.The one Subaru I am looking for is the one that everyone seem to hate after its release, the one with the rnd beetle headlights. THATS the Subaru I am looking. But I just didnt get a time to check what model was it. Only thing I know is that its from 1992 or 1993 |
| Posted by: Möbius Mar 9 2006, 06:05 PM |
| The bug-eyed ones? Then it kind of makes sense... But that wouldn't be a '92 WRX... It would be a '02 WRX ( first year NA market WRX I think ). |
| Posted by: Ayako Watanabe Mar 9 2006, 07:08 PM |
| Aaahhh okay, thank you for the correction Apex |
| Posted by: sabishii Mar 9 2006, 07:21 PM |
| Ah 2002. I'd take whichever one is cheaper; they're both great cars for the money. |
| Posted by: BOZZ Mar 9 2006, 07:30 PM |
| Ah yeah, that version, the GDB Type I, was offered I believe in two models, the 2.5RS (non-turbo) and WRX (turbo) model. It wasn't until the redesigned GDB (Type II) came out in 2004 that we finally got an STi. Either way, an STi is just a regular WRX modified slightly, I find it to be similar to the differences between say a Celica GT and GTS, in that the GTS is slightly more modified than the GT. |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Mar 9 2006, 09:13 PM | ||
that may have been true for some of the past STi's but any recent Sti is quite a few steps above the WRX. Both engine and especially transmission are a lot stronger then the wrx. Reason for this is becuase in the past the wrx was easily modified to match the sti and people knew this and thus it hurt the STi's image and sales. So subaru made steps to change this. And thus now we have many many wrx owners grenading their transmissions at some point in time at around 300hp. For a car this new that shouldnt be happening if the tranny is anywhere near the same as the STi, which is built to take 300hp strate off the showroom floor. Also brakes, diffs, suspension, steering colum, engine it self it compeltely different(not sure how the 2.0 turbo engine the STi got everywhere else differs from the wrx though..) You name it and it was probably replaced on the STI. WRX is a great car, but it's no STi. They are about as different as the RS is to the WRX. Same chassis but the simularities pretty much ends there. |
| Posted by: Kakashi Mar 19 2006, 01:30 PM |
| Right now, i'm wanna get a acura integra, 90-93 LS. Would the 2 door version of the car be a sedan or sports car? |
| Posted by: DALAZ_68 Apr 3 2006, 12:16 PM |
| i didnt wanna reopen my poll thread so ill just say it here thanks to those who responded in my thread iv decided to buy the civic SI ( withing 2 months period ) im getting my tax check in about a week ( roughly 1200 + ) and will help with my 4g's down payment on the sucker thanks guys |
| Posted by: h4x1ng n00b Apr 22 2006, 12:11 AM |
| hey, ive got a personal question which can really only be answered by a subaru freak so here it is, im thinking of importing a subaru into the usa. i am using this site: http://www.j-garage.com/index.html they specialize in importing bad ass cars into the US. i asked them to find me either a 22b or a GC8V (2.5RS in america) i got a reply back saying that thye would look around but i just wanted to know what would be a better buy in terms of cost, the 22b or the 8V? ill keep you up to date with the info as it comes in from them. thnx |
| Posted by: BOZZ Apr 22 2006, 12:21 AM | ||
Ummm the GC8V is not a 2.5RS in America just to let you know... The 2.5RS is to the GC8V/WRX STi what the AE85 is to the AE86... The 22B is pretty much a road-legal rally car from 1997/1998, and was made in limited number, which means it might be pricey... Whereas the WRX STi Type R (GC8) Version V (late 1998-1999 I believe) was a production car that is no where near as rare as the 22B. If you can afford it, by all means get either of the two, but you might also want to check if it is legal to import it and what modifications you would have to make to it to ensure it passes emissions tests and what not, remember that JDM cars (I believe) do not come equipped with a catalytic converter which USDM cars have installed... |
| Posted by: hellbent Apr 22 2006, 09:15 AM |
| Dude, you release that only 400 22B were made and they all sold out in 48 hours. Did you also know that only 400 Ferrari F60 Enzos were made. My point is, that if looking for a 22B, might as well look for an Enzo. cause thats how hard it is to find a 22B. Iam not saying it cant be found, Iam saying it a B*tch to find one. And being in the U.S. I highly, let me say it agian I highly doubt the 22B can be Road legal there. Your better option would be GC8, but even then you would have to do quite a few modifications to make it street legal. Unless you have extra free money, its not worth it. Just go buy urself a new STI with a warranty and I garuntee you'll be happier. |
| Posted by: Möbius Apr 22 2006, 03:50 PM |
| You have to be a real fan to import a WRX... To put up with the steering on the other side, I mean, it's not like a Skyline that came only like that... |
| Posted by: h4x1ng n00b Apr 25 2006, 10:59 PM |
| wow thnx for the input you guys and btw, they were able to find a 22b in Japan for sale thru j-garage. they said that all i would have to do to buy it would be to give them a deposit and then they go and find the car and once they find it, they then buy the car and you buy it off of them and pay for the shipping and importing charges on top of the FOB price. and btw, the FOB price for a 22b is around $30,000 and they even have one in stock ready to be bought O__O !!! check out the site im serious!! |
| Posted by: Forza_Semper Fi May 16 2006, 10:55 PM |
| (takes a deep breath and prepares to look like an idiot) As a graduation present, my dad is giving me $13,000 to spend on a car. I might wait until I come back from boot camp, because I will be earning about $1500 from it. For now, I have $500 in graduation money from relatives. He has set a few limitations, however. He wants me to get a car that I can drive from college to my Marine unit (about an hour drive) and from college to my hometown (about an hour and a half) for the next four or five years. So it has to be long-lasting -can't have more than 30,000 miles -can't be made earlier than 2002 (which would make it a 2003 model, I guess) -can't have more than 180-200 horsepower (assuming I'm buying a coupe, probably 200-240 for a sedan) Keep in mind that these rules are flexible. For example, he said that I can get a car with as much horsepower as I like as long as I can get a job to pay for my own insurance. And the model could probably be earlier than 2003, as long as it still had lower than 30,000 miles and the interior was in good condition. I guess the only rule that isn't flexible is the mileage rule (unless you guys can find a reason to bend it). I can drive (and prefer) a manual car. These are the cars that I think I want: Chevrolet Cobalt (http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=22&paId=192654130&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&recnum=5&leadExists=true&criteria=K-%7CE-ANY%7CM-_40_%7CG-40000%7CB-15000%7CH-%7CD-_378_%7CN-N%7CR-100%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CX-popular%7CZ-39560&aff=sherald) Camaro Z28 (http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=22&paId=197922626&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&recnum=0&leadExists=true&criteria=K-%7CE-ANY%7CM-_18_%7CG-40000%7CB-15000%7CH-%7CD-_214_%7CN-N%7CR-100%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CX-popular%7CZ-39560&aff=sherald) (http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=22&paId=197435562&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&recnum=4&leadExists=true&criteria=K-%7CE-ANY%7CM-_14_%7CG-40000%7CB-15000%7CH-%7CD-_179_%7CN-N%7CR-100%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CX-popular%7CZ-39560&aff=sherald) These are the cars that I prefer, but I want your guys' opinions and suggestions. Keep in mind that I don't know a lot about cars, so I'm going to need some help here. Also keep in mind that I've had a 1989 Volvo station wagon for the last year and a half, so I want a car that looks as greater and is as faster as possible. How much is maximum coverage per year for a 370+ horsepower car? (camaro Z28) Based off of these cars, can you guys recommend any other ones for me? The cars that I linked are possibilities for the next few days (if you want to know what cars I can buy, go to cars.com and make sure the car isn't more than 100 miles from 39560). Even though I will be leaving in four days, three of my friends have gotten brand new cars and I might not get a chance to show off my new (not necessarily brand new) car if I wait until after boot camp. It would also be nice to have something to look forward to driving when I get home from boot camp. I'm kind of an impatient person, too |
| Posted by: Taku_E70 May 17 2006, 02:37 AM |
| Where abouts do you live dude? And you want to think about fuel bud, prices are costing me 60$ AUS for a full tank. |
| Posted by: 7m-gte May 17 2006, 02:48 AM |
| put that 13 grand as a downpayment for a lightly used lotus elise. should be less than 30,000 miles, between 180-200 horses, and is after 2002. lol. best fit in my opinion. or you could opt out for the mr2. |
| Posted by: Forza_Semper Fi May 17 2006, 08:23 AM | ||
Southern Mississippi That's also a good point. It's almost $3.00 for a gallon of gas here, so almost $40 to fill up my Volvo, which has a smal gas tank. http://cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;jsessionid=2UD1Y3Q5VAD21LAZGRDU2UY?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=22&paId=198761486&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&recnum=16&leadExists=true&criteria=K-%7CE-ANY%7CM-_47_%7CG-50000%7CB-17000%7CH-%7CD-_429_%7CN-N%7CR-500%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CX-popular%7CZ-39560&aff=sherald |
| Posted by: hellbent May 17 2006, 08:38 AM |
| I'll say this much, Stay away from the MR2 u posted. Ever thought of a Celica. Their good little cars, and being Toyota, Relieable as a wood burning stove (thx May;) ) . And u asked about Manual or not. Personally go with the Manual. not only is it better, but it also saves fuel. I believe in some cars that u can save up 10% fuel if u opt for teh manual. |
| Posted by: Forza_Semper Fi May 17 2006, 08:54 AM | ||
what's wrong with the MR2? The Celica looks nice, but the GT model only has 140 horsepower. And the GT-S model, which has 180, isn't available in my price range and mileage. Is 140 alright for its size? How hard would it be to add more? |
| Posted by: zerocool_designs May 17 2006, 10:31 AM | ||
Wow, I don't think I've ever met a person interested in 2 out of 3 of those cars, let alone someone who likes all three. If I had $13k to blow on a car, it'd probably be spent on a Lexus IS300. Practical, sporty, and comfortable. |
| Posted by: Rudy May 17 2006, 11:47 AM | ||
 Civics and Camaros serve their purposes extremely well. They're great cars. And the light-weight of early Civics is really appealing. Guess you just met another person interested in 2 of those 3, heh.Forza. If you're going to spend $13,000 on an MR2, find a real MR2. Screw the ZW generation. Oh, by the way, MR2 means you're in the market for Toyotas? 180-200 horsepower? Have you considered a really clean Mk. III or IV NA Supra? They're around. If you drive 'em not like a nut, they can get around 20-25 MPG. |
| Posted by: sabishii May 17 2006, 12:30 PM | ||
...Can't be made earlier than 2002. Anyways you can get a Nissan Sentra SE-R for $13,000, probably a Spec V too, but I'm not sure. Similar to that is my car the Mazdaspeed Protege, I bought that for $13.5k but it's a limited edition car so some people sell them for higher. I don't see why the GT-S doesn't fall in your price range though, it should be ~ the same as the cars I mentioned above. Another similar FWD sporty car is the RSX Type S. Besides FWD one of the earlier WRXs could probably fall in your price range, but they'd probably be mid-high mileage and likely to have been abused, which isn't quite good for a AWD turbo car. |
| Posted by: crazyman May 17 2006, 02:17 PM | ||
u planning to race in this car or wat? u seem to be more interested in HP more then anything |
| Posted by: sideways May 17 2006, 02:23 PM |
| Within most limitations the Celica GTS is easily within your range. The only difficulty would be finding one with 30,000 miles- 50,000 might be doable, and being a toyota the cars only just been broken in. Theres a pinned topic but ill like usual merge it later tonight or tomorrow once youve gotten some answers. Added: Quick example from ebay motors; http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-Celica-GTS-6-Speed_W0QQitemZ4639664487QQcategoryZ15288QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Now mind you im not saying to BUY from ebay (thats your choice, do your research on the seller- check his feedback, always go for a local car you can go test drive- think of ebay as advertising for that specific car)- but it can give you a good idea what a specific car will roughly go for. |
| Posted by: azninnovation May 17 2006, 03:38 PM |
| Toyota Yaris. |
| Posted by: 4g63 May 17 2006, 03:42 PM |
| I would get a Honda Fit... Good on gas, 5 people can fit in it. |
| Posted by: Rudy May 17 2006, 04:05 PM |
| Oh, christ, model year... never mind. But I -know- there's a low-mileage SW or MA lurking around in mint condition. I'm sorry, the mention of MR2 alone threw me off. I keep forgetting the ZW gen. Uhm... Camaro/Mustang V6? |
| Posted by: Macher TX Ranger May 17 2006, 04:27 PM | ||
Well, I did see a yellow SW with 4,000 original miles on it... For $30,000. An Acura RSX would be a pretty nice car in your price range. If you're patient, you might even be able to get a Type S for $13,000. You're gonna have to bargain some, though. |
| Posted by: lotteman May 17 2006, 04:54 PM |
| I'd go for a honda Fit... not much power but you can always add more right? |
| Posted by: Wheels84ss May 17 2006, 05:13 PM |
| Chevrolet S-10/GMC Sonoma or the Chevy colorado/GMC canyon... can find them used in your price range and in manual and they run like tanks.... Besides if your going to marine boot wouldn't a truck me more fitting.... |
| Posted by: Macher TX Ranger May 17 2006, 05:16 PM |
| S-10s suck. Silverados are where its at. |
| Posted by: Forza_Semper Fi May 17 2006, 05:20 PM |
| I bought an '03 LS Mustang today. It has a V6 3.8L engine with 200 horsepower...not a V8, but much, much better than my 115 horsepower Volvo station wagon. |
| Posted by: Macher TX Ranger May 17 2006, 05:28 PM |
| Wow, that was pretty quick. Congrats on your new car! Do you have any pictures of it? |