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> Lan Evo III, mis-firing system?
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  Posted: Nov 19 2002, 07:38 PM


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lan evo III is eqipped with this miss-firing system rite?...or something like that....wat's this system all about and how does it make evo III able to drift?
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no no no, Ryouchi had it upgraded to his Evo III

you'd have to upgrade it because it doesn't come standard.
damn cool though

POP POP POP POP


Evo III can drift standard when you buy them if you know how

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isnt " a mis-firing system" a way of just cramming more boost into an engine and causing detonation? Just curious...cause the fire coming out of the exhasut system..

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stage 2 episode 6

Takumi vs Ryouchi

he has a misfiring system for his Evo III. A small pop comes out the back of his car randomly that lets him pick up speed


too bad Takumi's car had to blow up mad.gif
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ya that makes sense, misfiring, overbooosting prolly... I dunno though I'll do some more research tonight,
take care crono,
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a mis-firing system dumps a little fuel into the exhaust and it detonates it and the little explosion keeps the turbo spinning eliminating turbo lag. and u can drift in an evo III without it.
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heh, not trying to be picky, but the name is Kyouichi. tongue.gif
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QUOTE (Perry @ Nov 19 2002, 09:52 PM)
heh, not trying to be picky, but the name is Kyouichi. tongue.gif

you lil picky ass.hahahahahahah stfu !! laugh.gif
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Woah what if it misfired on a turn and made him crash? Course I'm a newbie so feel free to correct me wink2.gif
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errr, Kyouchi? my bad tongue.gif

no, dont think of the mis firing system as a thrust, because it's not (well maybe it is, i've never been in one)

what happens is that by doing that, your turbo comes in quicker and you dont have turbo lag.

My brother's WRX has a turbo that kicks in at 3000 RPM
but before 3000 RPM, its just a regular car (2.0 liter engine)

however, you can get things like a Blow Off Valve or that mis firing system that makes your turbo kick in earlier
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Dude, the misfiring system is simaliar to the anti lag system of the WRC and it kills the turbo faster. And yes u can drive a Lan Evo can drift but u have to be damn good and the car has to be tunned correctly cause the car was orginally enginnered to do grip driving.
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ok first this system is not street legal, and its the sevond solution to virtually eliminate turbo lag, it loads gas into the exhaust, then this fuel create a lilttle explosion that maintains the boost pressure...ok now this system is EXPENSIVE, you CAN"T find in a lil ricer shop near you, and it destroys a turbo and exshaut system in 500-1000 kilometers of DISTANCE on RACE cars, likely faster on street cars... so forget that, get a twin turbo instead
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yup... hey didnt we have this whole discussion a while ago on some other post??
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i think so ...but theres always a new guy that brings out old topics !
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QUOTE (SpecterC @ Feb 13 2001, 02:14 PM)
From what I figure out the mis-firing system seems to refer to the ALS system used in WRC cars. The ALS uses retarded ignition timing with bypass valves to explode air/fuel mixture in the exhaust manifold to keep the turbo spooling, which would also explain the flame coming out the back of the cars. Here's an exact link to the page that explains the system in a bit more detail.

http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/bangbang.html


Found this in the old message board. blink.gif
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QUOTE (Perry @ Nov 21 2002, 02:23 AM)
QUOTE (SpecterC @ Feb 13 2001, 02:14 PM)
From what I figure out the mis-firing system seems to refer to the ALS system used in WRC cars. The ALS uses retarded ignition timing with bypass valves to explode air/fuel mixture in the exhaust manifold to keep the turbo spooling, which would also explain the flame coming out the back of the cars. Here's an exact link to the page that explains the system in a bit more detail.

http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/bangbang.html


Found this in the old message board. blink.gif

that says what i said but mine is less technical and faster to read happy.gif
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wow..we are talking about the past topic again... anyhow... for the new members..
please read Tech Specs on Initial D car which i started many donkey years ago smile.gif

some ppl here explain pretty good and clear on mis firing system.. though some are misleading...


have fun



Hmm..i wonder where is my EG vs AE, Honda vs Toyota topics are? it's very informative.. and i didnt save a copy of it yet... (any1 can undelete it for me? tongue.gif )

Vtec.. where are you? havent been seeing you these days..
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The topic Honda V.S. Toyota had not yet been deleted. It's here.

http://www.4gigs.com/~go2id/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=74

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... any topic that older than 30 days will be on the second pages of the general discussion you mite want to look up on second page.!
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oh..sorry..didnt wear my specs to c clearly...

preparing for exam lately... no time to log in... infact... I just finish 1 paper and having another paper in 3 hours time... school life suckx... varsity life even more suckx... no adult incentives.... me being treated like a kindergarten school boy...

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QUOTE (karasac @ Nov 19 2002, 08:48 PM)
a mis-firing system dumps a little fuel into the exhaust and it detonates it and the little explosion keeps the turbo spinning eliminating turbo lag. and u can drift in an evo III without it.

this is basically it but do not expect your car to have a good mileage and expect it to last 100,000miles.

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They call it a miss fire system but its a translation thing....

Its actually anti lag. It removes the time a turbo needs to spool up meaning instant boost at all times.

It advances ignition timing and fuel to flow gas through the turbo at all times.

The issues arise in heat, massive heat. Some turbos get so hot they glow see through. It literally destroys its self internally as mentioned.

Most aftermarket standalone ECU's now come with the feature built in if you want to enable it.

99% of people dont or put it on a switch so they can shoot flames at shows etc. but for general non motorsport use its an extremely costly system to run.

Hope this helps.

Charlie

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QUOTE (CharlieParker @ Yesterday, 8:32 AM)
They call it a miss fire system but its a translation thing....

Its actually anti lag. It removes the time a turbo needs to spool up meaning instant boost at all times.

It advances ignition timing and fuel to flow gas through the turbo at all times.

The issues arise in heat, massive heat. Some turbos get so hot they glow see through. It literally destroys its self internally as mentioned.

Most aftermarket standalone ECU's now come with the feature built in if you want to enable it.

99% of people dont or put it on a switch so they can shoot flames at shows etc. but for general non motorsport use its an extremely costly system to run.

Hope this helps.

Charlie

It retards timing, doesn't advance it. The fuel still enters the engine at the same time it normally would, but ignition is retarded to just before bottom dead center so that expansion is still happening when the exhaust valves open, increasing pre-turbine exhaust pressure dramatically.

Also, the factory system doesn't eliminate all lag.

And now that that's settled, consider this a pre-warning on necro-posting. There's no reason to revive threads that don't have active discussion unless there's relevant content that will re-stimulate it. In this case, there hasn't been in previous necro-posts.
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