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Two Keisuke.

Pre-Project D Keisuke and Project D Keisuke.

Let's say downhill at Akagi and Irohazaka. What are your predictions?

Interesting, let's see..........


Akagi
Pre-Project.D Keisuke - Hard to tell since Keisuke has the home course advantage while Kyoichi is very professional.

Project.D Keisuke - PAWNAGE!!! MORE THAN PAWNAGE EVEN!!! PWNZ0RD!


Irohazaka
Pre-Project.D Keisuke - Kyoichi. Juz cuz it's Pre-Project.D Keisuke we're talking about.

Project.D Keisuke - If they start off on the same line, the one that took the lead would most probably win. If Keisuke leads, he'll have to block Kyoichi's last bridge attack. If Keisuke is chasing, he'll have to find an opening after all those hairpins.

But wouldn't Kyoichi know about the "line" on Irohazaka? And wouldn't Akagi be an uphill?

Edit: Well, I suppose Keisuke could downhill Akagi. Silly me.

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This post has been edited by KyoukoFD3S on Mar 20 2013, 06:34 AM

Akagi can be Downhill.


And i think Project D Keisuke will win all of the races, pre-Project D: idk. He was not better than Takumi at that time. And he barely won from Seiji.
You remember Sudo vs Ryousuke, Ryousuke had a hard time, and then: Keisuke wasn't better than Ryousuke.

And that brings me an idea: Why nobody has used a counterattack in Project D???

This post has been edited by Vortrex on Mar 20 2013, 07:00 AM

This kind of depends on WHEN pre-D. If it's just before D, then Keiske may have a chance. More than likely not. Doesn't matter the course.

And Kesike would win if you say, post Toudu school.

Jose

Ah, the famous Invisible Line of Irohazaka. Kyoichi knows about it, of course. But does he have the guts to JUMP?! Don't forget he drives an Evo III, is it capable of doing jumps and not damage the car?

This post has been edited by Takahashi Rensuke on Mar 21 2013, 05:12 AM

I wonder how that'd work out if he did, considering the misfire and all.

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Kyoichi uses racing techniques: His pride doesn't allow him to do that stuff.

Oh yeah, totally forgot about that.

The Evo III is a rally car, it's much more capable of doing those jumps compared to the 86 or MR2.

This post has been edited by Phantom_R32 on Mar 22 2013, 07:55 AM

Pre project D Keisuke would have a hard time beating Sudo, especially in Iro.
Project D Keisuke would have a chance if it is uphill, it doesn't matter what's the course as long as it is uphill.

Before project D Keisuke would have a hard time and most likely lose. Project D. ver. he would defeat him without too much trouble.

Not so true. It's nature is from tha rally, but rally susp is 100% rally and not street/stock. It's shock absorbers are in a hole new context and price.

Evo and subarus are known for the handling they have, and to be able to drive over tarmac, gravel and snow, but not for jumps from stock.

In Irohazaka, the jumps are not that huge as rally ones, but they may cause some damage to the car, ever more if the car has been lowered to it's limits like the S2000 who can't ever go over the shoulder of the corner.

I'd say Sudo would win at both Akagi and Irohazaka pre-Project D.

Like Vortrex said, Ryosuke barely beat Sudo on Akagi and it wasn't until the very last high speed corner. Given Sudo's skill at that time, I'm sure he could beat Keisuke on Akagi. Remember, Ryosuke probably still had the car tuned to when he raced Takumi at the end of stage 1 (lowered his HP). When Ryosuke took the FC out for a test drive, Keisuke couldn't even keep up.

Even during Project D, i'm not sure Keisuke could beat Sudo on Irohazaka. Sudo was considered a professional. Moreover, a twin turbo wouldn't come close to the misfiring for the tight and slow corners on the slopes. Sudo's counter-attack relies on his understanding of adjusting from slow speed section to high speed section--something he insists only "one" person was able to do, Ryosuke (Takumi was able to do it too). Depending on what part of Project D we're talking about, i don't think Keisuke is on Ryosuke's and Takumi's level of instincts yet.

On Akagi, if we're talking about after the battle with Kyoko and Ryosuke telling him to train his "human timer" instincts, then Keisuke would be really competitive and most likely win.

This post has been edited by htt36 on Apr 9 2013, 10:51 PM

Oh come on! He was holding back! (Sorry if I sounded a lil' too worked up, a huge fan of his )

i doubt it takahashi. if you rewatch the race you can recall ryosuke say he had only "one shot" to win and he had to make it precise. also, when takumi calls ryosuke in stage 3 to ask where sudo’s home course was, ryosuke told takumi that sudo will be very hard to beat, especially on his home course.

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Hmmm, is that so? Guess I'll have to rewatch Second and Third Stage. If only I have the time, damn...

Pre project D Keisuke has no chance against sudo at Iro, the biggest problem being hus engine. His sequential twin turbos would be useless, he would lose ground at every corner exit. And as far as jumping is concerned after losing to Ryosuke and tieing with Takumi he would definitely put hus pride aside to halt any further black marks on his racing record.


Now project d Keisuke is possibly a different story but the same disadvantages remain. Now on Akagi he would utterly destroy Sudo uphill/downhill or both together.

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Keisuke pre-D in Irohazaka, no chance ... but in akagi, I think he would win, if it was uphill. Although the misfiring system of Kyochi, give him an advantage in corners unless kyochi come out in front, (which I believe would not happen, because he likes to study the opponent from behind), do not think Keisuke be easily overcome, because in uphill, what counts most is the skill of the pilot and the horse power. At this point, Keisuke's FD is better than Ryosuke's FC and remember that, Keisuke, even without using logic or thinking, could keep the same pace of Ryosuke, so I believe Kyochi lose.

Keisuke Project D - Kyochi not have a chance ... Irohazaka or Akagi. Ryosuke even says that in Akagi, he can barely follow Keisuke and even when he was in his glory days, he was not like Keisuke is now.

Ryosuke won Kyochi twice, then I think the victory would come in downhill or uphill. Keisuke did the same training that Ryousuke, he's a monster now, hehe.

The problem here is that pre-Project.D Keisuke had a different car. It wasn't nearly as refined as it became when he joined Project.D and before you comment, no, I'm not referring to the RE-Amemiya race car. I mean his original FD. Kyoichi's EVO III was plenty refined and he knew exactly what he was doing. He was a race driver and had a pretty darn cool head. It was actually his race driver nature that Ryousuke took advantage of.

Interesting, then, that race drivers later in the series never seemed to have his same shortcoming...

So I'd put it a lot more simply than others here would. Pre-Project.D, Kyoichi would win. Post-Project.D, Keisuke would win.

Hard to say. I still think Kyoichi has a shot at beating Project D Keisuke. He's not going to be a push over, I'm sure he's learned from his mistakes. Same thing goes for all of Takumi's and Keisuke's past opponents. It's not like they quit racing for good after they lost to them(except Tohru). I'm sure they've all been practicing and improving as well, even though the anime or manga never shows it. Kyoichi is still a top tier Initial D character in my books.

I think that, even Keisuke Pre-D would win in Akagi. Kyochi plays mind games, but Keisuke, can not play that way, however, Keisuke answers first with his body, as well as Fujiwara. I think that Keisuke would not fall in the Kyochi provocations even he being a hot-heated.

  As for the car Keisuke be different, remember that keisuke won the Emperor Seiji's Evo , who was also prepared, with the same FD in Akagi Uphill.

You're assuming Kyoichi would hold back against a Takahashi. We've already seen that he wouldn't do that. He might underestimate someone like Takumi on his home course of Irohazaka, but there's no way he would be wasting time playing mind games against a Takahashi on Akagi. He'd go straight for his best from the start.

As for your implication about beating Seiji, you're assuming that Seiji's car and skills are somehow on the same level as Kyoichi, neither of which is true.

Kyochi wouldn't hold back against Keisuke, but could not pass it easy, mainly because Akagi has several high speed corners and being uphill, Keisuke take a good lead early, and your problem would be the last section, where the curves are low speed and misfiring system would bring a hard time for the lag Keisuke's FD. but the fighting spirit of Keisuke could keep him in front, then we can consider it 50-50, Chance of victory at least. Assuming, Ryosuke advise his brother on the weaknesses of Kyochi, I bet Keisuke would win.

 

well, I've been reading the manga again, then what I said about Seiji, I based on what was said of him in the race against Fujiwara on Akina. however, recognize that Kyochi is on another level. Moreover, the emperor team wanted to beat all teams in Kanto, I believe that someone like Kyochi, would not take a person without good skills, to be their second driver. Kyochi cherishes the chance to win 100%, he would not allow anyone on your team. Therefore, I believe that Seiji's Evo, was well prepared too.

Do not forget, Kyochi prepared his evo, only to win against Ryosuke. That car, as well as their training was aimed from the start to win Ryosuke. I believe that would be the same effect, as Ryousuke made ​​when ordered Ae86 to meet the Todo Juku's pro driver, while everyone was waiting for the FD ... ie, Keisuke is Ryosuke different in many ways, he risks more, he does not care for his own safety.

Nakazato told him he would not live long, riding the way he runs.

I went ahead and left out all the stuff I didn't feel like arguing with and left in the part that was worth debating.

I dunno, the Emperors seem to be kinda scrubby guys who win because they have a good leader (strategist) and decent cars. Their cars are good, but none of them are nearly as prepared as Kyoichi's EVO III. Their drivers aren't really bad, but there's no way any of them are on Kyoichi's level. Besides, there are plenty of other teams who have second-place racers who aren't on the same level as their leader. The Night Kids, for example? The Speed Stars? If you want to get kinda technical you could say that Todo was the same way--neither of the students it put up against Project.D were on Tomoyuki's level.

It appears to be more rare to have double aces than it is to have a straight-up tier system in Initial D's race teams. I'm sorry, but I just cannot accept Seiji being on Kyoichi's level. It just isn't so.