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What's the difference between the two's racing style? I don't really remember if it was just drift vs grip or if it was that distinction and something more?

Well, we all know FFs can't drift. ;^)

This post has been edited by kyonpalm on Dec 20 2014, 09:58 PM

I see what you did there. I am going to tell Donz0rz.

No Pear. N1 comes in when you say FFs can drift.

(or worse, powerslide)

The main difference is that Shinji brakes in an entirely straight line, releases his brakes before the corner and maintains a more or less consistent speed from entry to exit; whereas Takumi brakes later and a little more suddenly, keeps braking into the turn to slow down in time, and tries to accelerate as much as possible coming out of the turn. Shinji's style is more focused on simply being smooth, whereas Takumi's style is now focused on saving as much time as possible when transitioning between straight and corner.
What this boils down to is that they're actually not too different in sheer cornering speed, but Takumi saves more time on entry and exit and is ultimately faster, whereas the real benefit to Shinji's style is keeping the front tires lasting a little longer. Takumi did initially feel like he was losing in cornering while winning in braking and corner-recovery (with the opponent consistently getting away a little in the middle of the corner), but that was just down to Shinji having a better knowledge of the course and driving a slightly better line (plus the fact that Takumi tends to late-apex his corners, which would naturally sacrifice a little bit of apex speed for the sake of a faster exit speed). That threw him off at the start and made him worry about falling behind in consecutive corners, but he eventually saw through that (with help from that little stunt Shinji pulled at the S-turn) and figured out how to beat it (by simply closing off Shinji's line and nullifying his course-advantage).

Shinji technique better or God Arm(1-handed steer) technique?


God Arm seems way cooler(and better) to me.

This post has been edited by Klad123 on Jan 1 2015, 11:55 PM

Hmm... Start a new topic on that? I was talking about Shingo here, not Shinji. Whoops sorry read things wrong.

This post has been edited by Falbere on Jan 2 2015, 04:38 AM

What the hell are you talking about? You've never posted in this thread until now.

I wonder if you are talking to me or Klad123 xD

I was talking to you.

Forgive me for my silliness I didn't read things properly ><
Actually, I thought it is pretty amazing how my brain managed to post stuff in that half-awake mode.

Forgive me :3

Falbere basically confused this thread with this one, which is him asking how Shingo would've fared against the Emperors.
Your confusion has now been cleared.

And here I thought we were all collectively high at the same time.

Back on topic, the answer here is simple. Shinji is simply smoother, with a style designed around upsetting the chassis the least. Lines that require less braking are going to be his first choice. his ability to do this better than Takumi is simply due to the fact that he's intimately familiar with the road. Takumi, while having watched videos and driven it all of the previous night, is still not INTIMATELY familiar with it. The nuances that Shinji innately understands, he doesn't. It's literally that simple. Shinji is more practiced on that stretch of pavement, and thus, with similar car control abilities, is faster. Takumi won simply because of his competition experience and abilities, with which he was able to catch him off guard.

And no matter who won that match, it would be a disappointing end to the series.

Both techniques are good but like others have said, this was Shinji's course that he had driven on since he was a kid.

That said, I personally believe the technique of Takumi allows him to be a bit more flexible whereas Shinji appears to be boxed in to this "Smooth Driving" technique with no other skills to fall back on.

It's like Takumi said during the race, that Shinji's braking is kinda sloppy and was like how Takumi's was a year ago and then there's the heal toe technique that Shinji used without even having a proper reason to use it which one of the spectators mentions(Nakazato? Daiki? Sudo? One of them...).


PS. Shinji was one of the crappiest characters in the entire series especially with his arrogance. Takumi became a legend because he was never arrogant not like this stupid kid Shinji.

I was kinda confused; grip vs drift, it seemed like. Suspension of disbelief, sure, but grip will always win, especially with cars like these. But I enjoyed watching it so I didn't give a ****.

Does Shinji have more driving experience than Takumi?

I remember a discussion about a claim of how Takumi supposedly had less driving experience than Shinji as Shinji started driving before Takumi started driving. Basically the backstory of Shinji was that the minute he could reach the pedals and see over the steering wheel he began to drive, similar to how many Finnish people begin motor racing at an early age.

Shinji does have more driving experience and he is like Kimi Räikkönen. The gap between when Takumi and Shinji starting to drive is one middle school grade difference.

hmmm I never really went into detail between the racing styles because to me it was just Old Takumi vs New takumi. Basically show how takumi used to race vs how he has improved. Shinji is a master of his home course but would not be amazing on any other course. Kind of like how the original takumi was on Akina. They even said that Shinji shifts slower and doesn't heel toe as well like how Takumi used to be.

I've watched the duel several times and found these things:

Shinji's style is pretty much like a touring car racer. He jumped on the brakes in a straight line, does conserve his tires by not powersliding too much (to a point where I think Shinji grips the whole race) , taking the corners smoothly and driving a bit more cautious than Takumi. Yet he also drives a bit arrogantly by nudging Takumi off, which is a typical thing in touring car races. Takumi on the other hand, takes the advantage of both his powerful and rev-happy race engine and his extreme familiarity with his 86 by driving fearlessly. There are downside to this, such as having worse tire wear than Shinji, shown in a scene where he lost to Shinji because his tires lacked grip (I suspect the culprit may be his race engine, which may be a bit too powerful for the sports tires to handle), and eventually, his blown engine.

Takumi wins, he cannot be beaten, unless it's his dad, or Emperor, or a man in a mercedes.

Or an Impreza

Shinji Has More Of An Circuit Approach, Simply because when he was a child he saw the road from the opposite side. that gave him the ability to enter in a out of the corners enhancing his abilities of whats beyond the corners also he would use the drift approach because it would wake his mom while while driving once he was able to drive.One of The Reason Takumi drifts is because it provides a safety margin of not knowing whats beyond the corners ( incoming traffic, etc). Its simply A circuit Vs Drift Style of Corner Entry Speed ....


Drifting effects Rear Tire Grip
Circuit approach depending on the car Effects the front tire grip

I think this kid was an unrealistic character. And his driving too, like... what? He's better because he's younger version of Takumi? And he observed the road as a toddler? What??
Takumi as a natural plus son of a racer (did the boya have racer parent? his mom wasn't), then all theory and practice pumped into him by Ryosuke, couldn't handle... someone who barely ever raced? Whatever his natural talent was, Takumi should see and think "oh, this boy is like me, some year ago, before all Project D after which I jumped few levels and am a God compared to myself prior to that." and then play with him in some kind sparing way, shido-go style.

PS. I don't recall any specialty of driving manner that would give him any advantage good enough for any chance of winning at all.

This post has been edited by SpeedySpeedGirl on Oct 24 2015, 02:05 AM

Shinji is a like a F1 driver. They don't drift and they grip a lot and likes to take chances. Map awareness is their strong point so they can plot out their plans in the long run. Shinji is aware of his car's Gs, tires, road quality, exits & entrances, and etc. Kinda makes him look like a "Formula" car computer.