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> When did eurobeat change?
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QUOTE (xiao @ 42 minutes, 26 seconds ago)
for Max Matsura & DJ Boss easier. SEB is a platform of experimentation for Italian producers, nothing else.

Eurobeat will never die... but Eurobeat will never be Pop either. It's gonna stay on the internet, as a pretty relic of a time long gone.


I don't want even to think, when they last time visited any italian studio to say "Not bad, change this or that, but keep going what do you planned".


These times gone completely too. As Avex Trax doesn't need italian sound, fresh, revolutionary in Japan, as they give the teams the total freedom, yes, to make everything easy and still worthwhile.

So I agree with you, freedom of composing means here just "I will do something", an experiment.

But it seems to be pointless, because the former point was different and we back what I said above - no sense, it can't be compared now and called the same "Eurobeat". The only reason to do Eurobeat is to be continued, becuase "I as a producer like to do EDM".
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If you would like to read the Eurobeat history, is a one place which contains objective and fully described informations ?

About commercial using the term of Eurobeat we don't have to discuss. Today on eBay auctions each dance style, european music, pressed in Japan is "Eurobeat".

But 80's Italo Disco, Euro Disco, Disco, various Hi-NRG don't have to be Eurobeat as the separated genre.

I'm sick about one thing in the history texts. Tell me, if I'm wrong, if you never met such point of view.

Any time when I look at different texts I see the following sense of the statement:

Eurobeat was first the commercial name for all imported dance genres to Japan, which were evolving till 1990, when Avex Trax invented "real" Eurobeat.

I understand, that 80's and 90's Eurobeat is perhaps considered as a too far mysterious era outside Japan and some european countries, hardly to discover, someone is too young, but it doesn't mean what are the facts about the name of "Eurobeat".

There were more CD series before Avex Trax foundation and within the first years of development of this company. Not only That's Eurobeat, which surely wasn't next commercial name, because made by italian producers, who totally focused on japanese market to be only "Eurobeat" artists.

I don't get, why Avex Trax music gained generally in people minds some "privilege" to be called "real" Eurobeat. The evolution after Italo Disco, between 80's and 90's is often shown as “not clear” Eurobeat, still something between, but every next evolution in 90's and later, on Avex Trax series is always "pure" Eurobeat.

I was wondering what one publisher has to do, to nominate what is unreal or more real sound of Eurobeat. I guess nothing. Fans opinion.

Several extremely important years in the Eurobeat history are introduced in one sentence as "some conversion" until Avex Trax took over the “right” beat. In fact the same beat already existed a little earlier, doing by the same people of future Avex Trax as well.

I can only add, that Avex Trax didn’t release a significant amount of Eurobeat, not only single tracks from cooperated labels, which were available in Italy… Fortunately the italian record companies co-worked with another publishers. Later apparently Avex Trax bought copyrights and put on their compilations what was popular, basical and successful before and somewhere else in Tokyo, but this may look different if somebody really thinks, that Avex Trax was the first “true” Eurobeat representative in Japan. I mean those few years of 80’s and 90’s.

I think it’s necessary for promotion, as a curiosity and just to be objective. Avex Trax wasn’t several first years neither determinant and monopolist. Producers weren’t sticked and enforced to write for them.

From the perspective of these all years, hundreds of thousands, millions sold records, which were awarded by the japanese market, what could be only a dream today, don’t belong at all to Avex Trax history, or sometimes were just reissued.

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QUOTE (Crockett @ Yesterday, 5:20 PM)
If you would like to read the Eurobeat history, is a one place which contains objective and fully described facts ?

About commercial using the term of Eurobeat we don't have to discuss. Today on eBay auctions each dance style, european music, pressed in Japan is "Eurobeat".

But 80's Italo Disco, Euro Disco, Disco, various Hi-NRG don't have to be Eurobeat as the separated genre.

I'm sick about one thing in the history texts. Tell me, if I'm wrong, if you never met such point of view.

Any time when I look at different texts I see the following sense of the statement:

Eurobeat was first the commercial name for all imported dance genres to Japan, which were evolving till 1990, when Avex Trax invented "real" Eurobeat.

I understand, that 80's and 90's Eurobeat is perhaps considered as a too far mysterious era outside Japan and some european countries, hardly to discover, someone is too young, but it doesn't mean what are the facts about the name of "Eurobeat".

There were more CD series before Avex Trax foundation and within the first years of development of this company. Not only That's Eurobeat, which surely wasn't next commercial name, because made by italian producers, who totally focused on japanese market to be only "Eurobeat" artists.

I don't get, why Avex Trax music gained generally in people minds some "privilege" to be called "real" Eurobeat. The evolution after Italo Disco, between 80's and 90's is often shown as “not clear” Eurobeat, still something between, but every next evolution in 90's and later, on Avex Trax series is always "pure" Eurobeat.

I was wondering what one publisher has to do, to nominate what is unreal or more real sound of Eurobeat. I guess nothing. Fans opinion.

Several extremely important years in the Eurobeat history are introduced in one sentence as "some conversion" until Avex Trax took over the “right” beat. In fact the same beat already existed a little earlier, doing by the same people of future Avex Trax as well.

I can only add, that Avex Trax didn’t release a significant amount of Eurobeat, not only single tracks from cooperated labels, which were available in Italy… Fortunately the italian record companies co-worked with another publishers. Later apparently Avex Trax bought copyrights and put on their compilations what was popular, basical and successful before and somewhere else in Tokyo, but this may look different if somebody really thinks, that Avex Trax was the first “true” Eurobeat representative in Japan. I mean those few years of 80’s and 90’s.

I think it’s necessary for future promotion, as a curiosity and just to be objective. Avex Trax wasn’t several first years neither determinant and monopolist. Producers weren’t sticked and and enforced to write for them.

From the perspective of these all years, hundreds of thousands, millions sold records, which were awarded by the japanese market, what could be only a dream today, don’t belong at all to Avex Trax history, or sometimes were just reissued.

    huh.gif ... Okay in 3 sentences, just like the intro to a 9th grade essay... explain what you just said to me like I'm 5 y/o.
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QUOTE (xiao @ 1 hour, 38 minutes ago)
    huh.gif ... Okay in 3 sentences, just like the intro to a 9th grade essay... explain what you just said to me like I'm 5 y/o.


I hope you're joking again? If I wanted I would wrote 3 sentences... You have lunch break, too short to read or you're so lazy and don't treat seriously the topic, the user, so I must repeat ? cool.gif

Some discussions require more engagement, passion and if you want to participate, please don't ask for text for a child. wink2.gif

I shared some facts being sick how Avex Trax is treated around as "first, better and the one and only real Eurobeat publisher", but I don't really care anymore about replies, especially trying to turn on the light in minds... after 30 years and when everything is on Discogs.

I always liked this thread, but too often I see, that any older Eurobeat out of Avex Trax isn't "original". smile.gif

This post has been edited by Crockett on Jan 4 2017, 07:59 AM
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QUOTE (Crockett @ 5 hours, 23 minutes ago)
"first, better and the one and only real Eurobeat publisher"

I should've just read the bolded parts! tongue.gif

To be fair Avex made Eurobeat what it is today with the SEB anthology ~ if Max Matsuura wouldn't have Commodore Perry'd Alberto Contini, Aleph, & Bratt's arses... I think Eurobeat would've never even sailed a mile past Milano.

We owe the success of modern dance music & EDM to the Swedish pop artists & producers from the 90's. Eurodance took off thanks to those guys like Lady GaGa's producer etc etc.

You can't blame for people that credit Avex as the pioneer of the Eurobeat genre, especially since modern Eurobeat sounds nothing like Italo disco. happy.gif
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QUOTE (xiao @ 44 minutes, 34 seconds ago)
To be fair Avex made Eurobeat what it is today with the SEB

You can't blame for people that credit Avex as the pioneer of the Eurobeat genre, especially since modern Eurobeat sounds nothing like Italo disco. happy.gif

So my post alludes just to the texts from many sites about first selected years of the history of the genre.

We can write how many years Avex Trax keeps continue the series Super Eurobeat, but not that all the rest discographies aren't right to be called "true" Eurobeat, depending on who is the last current publisher. The more if Avex Trax also re-released something, what the market in Japan got earlier...

Pioneer or the forerunner? That's a huge difference.

And yeah, traditionally about "Italo Disco"...

One thing here too. Neither fan of "real" Italo Disco (1982 - 1987) doesn't want to touch unduly the later kinds of Italo beat, so early Eurobeat, but for some fans who say like you in quote, older Eurobeat is more Italo Disco only because of similarities.

Do you see contradiction ?

Evidently, respecting Avex Trax contribution, the most logical is to divide Eurobeat for many generations, styles without choosing the "right" names of publishers.

And please remember, that although for you and much much more people "modern Eurobeat sounds nothing like Italo disco" and early days perhaps, this sound can't be proud of any big live shows, awards and thousands, millions sale, what was normal a long time ago under various publishers...

This post has been edited by Crockett on Jan 4 2017, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE (Crockett @ 57 minutes, 23 seconds ago)
Evidently, respecting Avex Trax contribution, the most logical is to divide Eurobeat for many generations, styles without choosing the "right" names of publishers.

Imagine if Avex starts a compilation series with the Italians all about dubstep...

We Love DUB Steping ... w00t2.gif (?)

That would totally sell with the kids today! XD

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