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> Minimum wage in Washington DC, Risen to $11.50
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  Posted: Dec 17 2013, 03:29 PM


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I just would like to know some of your opinions about this matter, and how this might affect where you may live due to some people having financial issues.

Discuss.

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Anyone with a brain should know that raising the minimum wage is a double-edged sword. Yes, people's wages will be higher. But their hours may be cut, and people may even be laid off to compensate. It's not a magic fix as many people (read: idiots who can't into economics) believe.
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I agree with kyon, raising the minimum wage is a double-edged sword.

Raising the wage is great but it will have numerous repercussions, as what kyon said. Plus it can cause an inflation in prices...I think...been a while since I thought of economics.
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From what I have already seen is that prices are already affected here, well in California homes are expensive cost of groceries and tax increase does not help at all. I also agree that raising the wages will not solve anything. Last time I checked it was $6.75 an hr when I started, then it goes up by $8.50 which is when I started to notice prices increase slowly creeping in.

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There's no value to be received in work ethic when you give some half-assed kid a shit job and pay him as much as what a grown-ass adult would start at with a professional position, or even of one who's held a position long enough to have earned the equivalent pay raise. Yes, everybody needs money, but people at minimum wage level ALWAYS bitch about, "Oh, this job sucks, it doesn't pay much", and I hear that all too often working in retail.

So then the minimum wage is bumped up, right? Well, what's stopping people from only increasing it a dollar here and there? It's coincidental that the law-makers that pass these minimum wage bills to help people with the cost of living are also the ones increasing the cost of living with higher tax rates and other secondary effects that cause businesses to increase the price of their products to compensate for loss. So let's not stop at $11 or $12 an hour. What's keeping these politicians from raising minimum wage to $20 an hour?

Where does it stop?
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Posted: Dec 17 2013, 07:49 PM


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Honestly, minimum wage should be adjusted to the rate of inflation. I think that'd be a pretty good solution. However, that's the pragmatic side of me speaking.
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Well damn, guess my state no longer has the highest minimum wage. In any case I think $11 is pretty fair considering how crazy inflation has been. I do wish we would copy the Europeans and have a separate minimum wage for minors and adults though. In the UK for example your minimum wage if your under 18 is about 4 pounds, from 18-20 it's 5 pounds and 21+ It's about 6.50.. Considering the teen unemployment is 30% last time I checked I think we should be focusing on that.
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QUOTE (Lupin_III @ Today, 4:38 AM)
Well damn, guess my state no longer has the highest minimum wage. In any case I think $11 is pretty fair considering how crazy inflation has been. I do wish we would copy the Europeans and have a separate minimum wage for minors and adults though. In the UK for example your minimum wage if your under 18 is about 4 pounds, from 18-20 it's 5 pounds and 21+ It's about 6.50.. Considering the teen unemployment is 30% last time I checked I think we should be focusing on that.

Wait, aren't you in Washington? Sea-Tac Voters (AFAIK) wanted to raise the wage to $15. Mind you, this is for airport workers.
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http://truth-out.org/op-ed/item/10489-the-...century-america

Take this with a grain of salt, of course- but it gets you thinking at least. But fwiw, I have, and have always felt, the minimum wage in most of usa is completely, and utterly disgusting. Current minimum wage in cali for example is 8 bucks an hour, working full time (if youre lucky enough to), will net you 320 bucks a week, before taxes. The last time I looked, the average cost of rent in LA was floating around 1300-1400 bucks. If you applied all of your income (without taking out anything for tax), you would not be able to afford the average rent in LA on your own- Of course on your own you shouldnt "need" the "average" home (and socal is a bit more expensive than other locations), but ffs, were talking about applying all of your "I just worked 40 full time hours this week" income towards paying for the "average" home- AVERAGE. This doesnt take into account any other expenses, utilities (gas, water, electricity for the basics, but might as well toss in tv/phone/cellphone/internet/etc), food, travel, obamacare (fuck this shit too, btw), nothing- And you still cant afford the average home. Again, disgusting. But thats just my thoughts.

Im extremely glad to be making just under 23 bucks an hour here in australia, which is my industries "minimum wage". Me and my partner make enough that were actually currently looking at building a home together. Not too shabby a thing to be doing on whats essentially a minimum wage job.
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I dunno. The whole thing is crap. We need to not have money at all and people just need to do work because it needs to be done, but people are selfish or lazy and always want more. If we want a world to exist properly, the whole human race is going to have to move forward. And I think we will destroy ourselves before we get to that point. It will just be super-rich and their "lazy slaves". And it will all come crashing down. Probably before it even gets that far.
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The problem with Minimum wage is that they want to give SKILLESS people more money.

I tell people all the time, Fast food and "min wage" jobs are meant for teenagers.

When I was 15 I was a lifeguard, I made 8.25$, which was above min wage. From there I worked in computers, set up POS systems for people, I was a ski instructor, and I am a certified personal trainer.

Basically people who are lazy, and entitled, want to be rewarded, without putting in much effort.

Liberals here in America believe we should give everything to the poor.

I think people who are poor and cannot eat deserve to, but not on my dime, and especially not if they have 10 kids and no one is working.

People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions.


There are 3 million "SHovel Ready" jobs in construction, welding, etc that pay great, but when I asked my Liberal buddy he said "Who wants to work those jobs?" Who wants to work those jobs? People who want an opportunity. When I talked about that he said "What opportunity?P eople in Walmart are retarded they wont get anywhere." Which was a disgusting comment for someone so "for helping people."

People dont' want to work hard, that's why they don't get anywhere. Even if I had to scrub toilets, I would be the best fucking toilet scrubber I could be, and guess what, people notice that, and you get promotions.

I "had" a boss who scrubbed toilets, and then became the manager of the entire mall he first worked at. It's called dedication, and somehow poeple think that the rich dont' dedicate themselves to their work is just FALSE.

How could anyone become "rich" or become a "CEO" without skills? Doesn't work.


Now again peopel deserve to eat, but if you're working at Mcdonalds at 50 years old there's a PROBLEM.


There are so many rags to riches stories there is no real way to put the blame on anything but yourself.

It sucks for people, but like It ell them my dad is 63 years old, and works 100+ hours a week to run his business. If my dad can still do that after 30 years of doing it, then why can't others? BECAUSE LAZY!



To the comment above... It's also like a tell everyone.


If you gave 1 million dollars to everyone in the world.

95% of the people would spend it all and struggle to make more(within a short time).

4% of people would be able to live comfortably for the rest of their lives.

and 1% of people will take that 1 million, and turn it into 100 billion.

So I ask people, which are you?


Some people want money, and those are the ones who fail. I don't work for money, I work for a goal, and that goal is the reason for me busting my ass.

People need goals.

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Interesting, but as long as money has to be involved, I think there should be 2 measures to empolyees worth. Skill level and the education required to perform the job, yes, but also difficulty of the job whether mental or physical. Someone who works themselves to death in a mine for example is certainly not lazy. The wage should reflect the effort put into the job. And no family that has someone working full time should make an amount that would put them in poverty classification, regardless of the job.

What makes me absolutely sick is when people simply don't have the means to improve themselves to get a higher tier job for whatever reason. The people that insist those reasons don't exist and you can find a way no matter what. Or presume that only lazy people work at certain places. I've been on both sides of it. A lot of these people are not lazy and work their asses off for a pittance, and that is wrong. I'll agree that people coming out of high school or for whatever reason take a low tier job and not have to support a family shouldn't be bitching about the expected low wages. I genuinely like that concept of a tiered minimum wage based on age.

But another big problem in all of this is just the sheer greed of employers, who are offering full time positions less and less. All the profits and tax write-offs they use never trickle down, they just mark it down and cut everything they can for profits. I believe there should be a limit on business size and a maximum wage limit.
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Interesting, but as long as money has to be involved, I think there should be 2 measures to empolyees worth. Skill level and the education required to perform the job, yes, but also difficulty of the job whether mental or physical. Someone who works themselves to death in a mine for example is certainly not lazy. The wage should reflect the effort put into the job. And no family that has someone working full time should make an amount that would put them in poverty classification, regardless of the job.


Which is why I mentioned construction/welding. Mining takes skill, you cannot just go be a miner and expect to be able to accomplish anything. Yeah it's skill level isn't up there with technology, but you need to be able to do the do.

The thing is, if someone is working at mcdonalds how are they going to get a "living wage?"

Again, my liberal buddy will go "but these huge corporations can pay them!!!"

Fast food especially are franchises, I've known franchise owners, and they are regular middle/upper-middle class people.

They cannot afford to raise their wages, without cutting people back, and honestly, why should they?


The problem is small businesses are always the ones who are hit the hardest.

It wont affect McDonalds if they increase the pay to 20$, it will affect the owner of that franchise who might now be out of a job, and 6 other employees be out of a job.


The thing is, if you are that "worthless" that you can only work at walmart or mcdonalds(at an older age especially) something is very very wrong.

Also, if you are in such a situation, why the fuck are you having kids/6 of them?


People don't take responsibility, and that's why this country is becoming such a shithole.

People will instead blame the gov't who "should be taking care of them." Govt's job is NOT to provide for people, it's there to allow people to do it themselves.


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What makes me absolutely sick is when people simply don't have the means to improve themselves to get a higher tier job for whatever reason. The people that insist those reasons don't exist and you can find a way no matter what. Or presume that only lazy people work at certain places. I've been on both sides of it. A lot of these people are not lazy and work their asses off for a pittance, and that is wrong. I'll agree that people coming out of high school or for whatever reason take a low tier job and not have to support a family shouldn't be bitching about the expected low wages. I genuinely like that concept of a tiered minimum wage based on age.



That's what I'm saying. There are so many high paying jobs in construction and welding, but like the lib said "Who wants to do that?" Idk maybe all of the millions of people the past hundred+ years? I'm glad we can decide on our jobs these days, but if you cannot get a job, and bitch about there being NO jobs that's your fault.

It's also like I said if you have to clean toilets, be the best damn toilet scrubber you can be, because someone will notice.

There are people in shit jobs that work very hard, and there are people in high paying positions that don't work hard at all. Like I said above if you work hard, people will see that,but those people should also go take classes and go to school.

There are plenty of people out of HS and college taking high/low jobs, there is no set age for anything.

I also disagree that min wage should be based on age. IF your'e 50 at McDonalds should you be making 30$ an hour? Especially if you are a single person, compared to a 25 year old who has 5 kids? Again the only thing that wages should be based on is the skill and difficulty of the job. If anyone can do the job, why does it justify high payments?

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But another big problem in all of this is just the sheer greed of employers, who are offering full time positions less and less. All the profits and tax write-offs they use never trickle down, they just mark it down and cut everything they can for profits. I believe there should be a limit on business size and a maximum wage limit.


Again, there is a difference between big businesses and small businesses.

Also look at all the regulations in place. Do you think people are going to be giving workers more hours with something like Obamacare? Do you think we are going to get more jobs in this country with something like that? People bitch and complain but it's like my buddy Mike who owns an Ad Agency in NYC says.


"I could hire Americans, spend a ton on health, and other crazy benefits, with mediocre work, or I could goto the Philippines, for 4$ an hour and get much better work."

This is the problem, Americans are brought up to be greedy, lazy, entitled people, who wants top dollar, with no effort. Look at Occupy Wallstreet.

I remember Sean Hannity went over to a group of protesters and offered them a job, and instead they said "we want a 100k+ job, with benefits, etc." These pieces of shit are worth burger flippers and they want 100k+ LOL...

Am I greedy and entitled? You betcha, but I'm entitled to what I make for myself, and the hard work I put into my work, because of the father I had, who worked 100+ hours a week. Some people see parents coming home complaining about how their job sucks, and how they just get by, and that translates to your kids. My story is different.

People bitch about jobs, but why should a low level worker be costing this small business tons of money if it's not needed? People will think about their situations first, and honestly people should BE HAPPY THEY HAVE AN OPTIONS. They want to bitch about these big companies, well without these companies you wouldn't have a job.

EVERYONE can write off taxes, the problem is people don't know how, so they bitch and complain about it. Did you know you can write off gas usage to work?


Why should there be a limit on business size? That's really stupid. Tell that to IBM and their 300k employees, but without someone like IBM our world would be completely different.

Also if there is a "business size cap" do you know how many people would be out of jobs right now?

Again people bitch at these companies, but without these companies we wouldn't have computers, internet, cellphones, you name it, besides all of the jobs these companies offer.

Also a max wage? Sorry but, thats really stupid.... That's called Socialism. People make money off of their hard work. I own my own Software company, so you're basically saying if I made a billion dollars of of my blood, sweat, and tears that I should be CAPPED and have to do something with the rest of it.....


What happens to the rest of the money the company makes? They give it to the pooR? They give it to their employees? They would reinvest it into their company, so what would happen is everyone would lose int his situation, as the company kept on growing.

What happens when a company keeps on growing, but cannot increase it's business size?


Here's an idea, instead of blaming big business people should try and become bigger like big business.

Maybe if you want to enact something as ridiculous as that, get people working 100+ hours a week, just like my dad, and we will see what we should actually cut.

People think they cannot become huge, and that's why they fail.


Rags to riches stories all over the place.


Now I wont say that some businesses have shady practices, and do things like BP where they spill oil all over the place and fuck up people's lives, shit isn't cool.

But to say things like cut top wages and shit is ridiculous.

Again people rather bitch about becoming rich than actually becoming rich, well guess what that's on you, because others will be busting their ass to become what they want.

And you know "when you blame someone else for your actions you give control to them. When your life doesn't become what you wanted it to be just remember you gave control to someone else."

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Well, actually, I am a socialist. Its too bad almost nobody can implement it correctly because of greed. Socialism =/= dictatorship.

Also, I can't do many of those jobs thanks to my MS. Random fits of not being able to walk or think correctly and loss of fine motor kinda dampen your possibilities. I can't be a mechanic anymore, which is what I've trained for my entire life out of high school. Hell I couldn't even clean toilets without falling and hurting myself.

So my views come from a different area. Not here to bash people. Discussion is good, just letting you know where I'm coming from, and that is from a pretty clear hatred of money and capitalism as a whole.
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But all these new policies and laws dont account for the broad range of cases out there. In one case you have a guy busted for pot and goes to jail and has a record. He's fucked. Then you have the guy who buys the latest $600 plus phone, fancy clothes, and styling car and he can't get ahead cause he's a half wit. Pothead doesn't contribute to economy, buys weed instead of mocha latte's and shit. Half wit supports economy as we are lead to believe and gets a rebate to buy more useless shit. Which would you prefer to support if you were a policy maker, or business owner, or whatever?
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