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kyonpalm | Posted: Apr 4 2013, 04:47 PM | ||
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Pretty sure it's blue, canonically. | ||
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Vortrex | Posted: Apr 5 2013, 01:52 AM |
1988 Toyota MR2 AW11, My Go-Kart AE86 Group: Advanced Members Posts: 559 Member No.: 38,745 Joined: Jul 2nd 2012 Location: Huizen, The Netherlands | It's both: In Anime Takumi has green aura: But the wings are white and a bit blue and in IDAS blue. |
Takahashi Rensuke | Posted: Apr 5 2013, 04:55 AM | ||
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So why not say: Takumi has a green aura, but when he's driving the 86 it became blue with wings There was also a blue aura of his 86 in Second Stage's Act 6. | ||
Seri | Posted: Apr 5 2013, 06:17 AM | ||
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And during the Wataru race, as well. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] | ||
hashiriyatakahashiry.. | Posted: Apr 5 2013, 08:15 AM |
IDW God Member Group: Members Posts: 185 Member No.: 33,875 Joined: Sep 6th 2009 Location: Brasil | well, I think, considering only the manga, the " Fujiwara Zone" is an acquired skill due to practice as Fujiwara has done over the years, driving in any weather conditions or road while making his deliveries. Ryosuke mentions that the first time he saw it, was in his race against Fujiwara in Akina, then it is something he had and he perfected during races and new roads used by Project D expedition . Fujiwara becomes one with the 86, because of his experience with this car, so he knows how it will behave before entering the curve no matter the weather, the road conditions or the condition of your tires. This may explain the fact that he has more grip during curve, even at high speed, giving the impression to those who are behind and the audience, that 86 behaves like a 4wd. Another reason is that it relies entirely on the car and acts recklessly, while their opponents usually reduce speed to avoid an accident. thus, he can be faster in the curves than your opponents and understand it, being the opponent in best condition, either tire, either with better car or even being a professional, disturb pride opponent, doing them to move beyond their limits and end up making a fatal mistake. (sorry for my bad english). This post has been edited by hashiriyatakahashiryosuke on Apr 5 2013, 08:18 AM |
Jhaqastar | Posted: Apr 19 2013, 11:18 AM | ||
IDW Member Group: Members Posts: 15 Member No.: 40,716 Joined: Mar 6th 2013 Location: Update Profile | @Ahmed1993 and @Takahashi Rensuki I'm glad somebody actually read that hahahaha. Well I did put effort into it @Takahashi Rensuke Waaaaaah I failed explaining it then ... That's what the basics racing schools don't teach their students yet. Basics are always, brake first... Then release... Then Turn... Then Throttle. The next step is technically how to link that all into one fluid motion. And the perfection of that motion is the Fujiwara zone (I think) @Filphil Yes. Technically it's that . Takumi can just use his tires really really really really well.
@Glocker MRs can also exit at alarming speeds too! Well not as much as AWDs at their full potential, but maybe at like a 300whp battle, the MRs won't be left that much at corner exits . I think (or refuse to deny) that Initial D is still pretty realistic. It's just that they've stopped explaining everything that's happening... It started when God foot and Keysuke battled. While KT was conserving tires, he wasn't using the clutch. He was clutchless up shifting and downshifting. Then when he spotted the R34, the next immediate scene was him using the clutch to downshift . Some people believe that KT's unbelievable get-aways are unrealistic, but they seem pretty possible to me! This post has been edited by Jhaqastar on Apr 19 2013, 11:19 AM | ||
Meteor | Posted: Apr 19 2013, 12:47 PM |
Were you expecting something else? Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,921 Member No.: 20,929 Joined: Oct 14th 2006 Location: Some place in South-East Asia | Here's something I quickly threw together in paint. This clear up anything for you Takahashi Rensuke? You'll get Jhaqastar's explanation straight away once you understand this. This post has been edited by Meteor on Apr 20 2013, 06:10 AM |
Filphil | Posted: Apr 19 2013, 06:03 PM |
IDW God Member Group: Members Posts: 185 Member No.: 2,699 Joined: Aug 19th 2004 Location: Update Profile | Im sure you could have found a nice chart like that via google, Meteor. It's a nice mock up though. The traction circle is the most basic visual aide available to drivers. I'm surprised there are people who weren't acquainted with it before hand. I guess it shouldn't be too much of a surprise though. They obviously never read the Gran Turismo manuals when video games still packaged decent ones. |
Takahashi Rensuke | Posted: Apr 20 2013, 07:27 AM | ||
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Umm, sorry Meteor, but do you have a larger picture of it? Can't really see it | ||
RickkyyP | Posted: Apr 22 2013, 10:26 AM |
IDW Full Member Group: Members Posts: 47 Member No.: 41,137 Joined: Apr 17th 2013 Location: Update Profile | For me Fujiwara zone is simply extracting 100% of the grip out of the tires all the way through the corner. 100% on braking, transitioning to 100% corner speed and then 100% of the available traction to 'drive' out the corner. After driving the car that long Takumi knows precisely where these limits are... That said, the anime over dramatises it in 5th stage by having the car completely vanish in corners. I believe it should be represented as in 4th stage when we see Godhand use his 'Time Attack' line in the final run, he is slowly pulling away and Takumi shouts 'I don't get it where's the difference in what we are doing?' to me thats how it should be shown |
Takahashi Rensuke | Posted: Apr 22 2013, 07:10 PM | ||
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I think I got it, more or less. Thanks Meteor, and Jhaqastar! | ||
Meteor | Posted: Apr 23 2013, 03:10 PM |
Were you expecting something else? Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,921 Member No.: 20,929 Joined: Oct 14th 2006 Location: Some place in South-East Asia | So you actually managed to read it then? Good. Now I feel less bad about procrastinating on making a larger image/simply linking you to a more in-depth explanation Glad to be of help. And yep, Fifth Stage's Fujiwara Warp Drive was never the best way of depicting things. |
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RickkyyP | Posted: Apr 26 2013, 06:37 AM | ||
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The drift by Takumi infront of the imposters was sick! | ||
Vilee | Posted: Apr 26 2013, 08:01 AM | ||
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Ikeda vs Keisuke. The part where the phone rang and Keisuke started accelerating. I thought that was epic lol. | ||
RedComet | Posted: Apr 28 2013, 12:39 AM | ||||||
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I like this explanation. It explains how some drivers have that almost "magical" pace to them when they're hot (or, as Ryosuke puts it, 'in the zone'). They're simply put, by their experience and skills, able to find the fastest line, brake later, get on the throttle earlier (and with the smallest loss of traction possible), and thus simply go faster that whomever with they're fighting for position. I think the neat thing about Initial D is that it tries to take things like these and illustrate them in a way that's entertaining for people who aren't necessarily experienced driving enthusiasts, while still imparting the core ideas from racing strategy that said enthusiasts would pick up on. Look at Ayrton Senna. Many people said of his performances at Monaco that he seemed to 'phase' through the armco barriers. Logically, this is of course, impossible. But his closeness to the barriers, his entry and exit speeds gave the pyschosomatic illusion that he was moving through the barriers. He was displaying Fujiwara-like (or is Takumi displaying Senna-like) ability in getting within millimeters of the armco, with absolute confidence and car control, while maximizing his use of the tyres' grip and his car's potential. After all, you only drive at the limit by driving at the absolute limits of what you--and your car--can do. | ||||||
Buntami | Posted: May 26 2013, 12:38 AM |
Shmuck Group: Members Posts: 7 Member No.: 41,083 Joined: Apr 13th 2013 Location: Update Profile | Takumi typed in a cheat code that made him teleport. |
KobayashiMaru | Posted: May 27 2013, 12:54 PM |
IDW Member Group: Members Posts: 16 Member No.: 39,759 Joined: Dec 17th 2012 Location: Update Profile | Sir Jackie Stewart used to race the same way. Even taught normal people how to drive smooth with a small ball in a large bowl on the bonnet of a car. That's where the water in a cup technique comes from. |
kyonpalm | Posted: May 27 2013, 01:06 PM | ||
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There are many rumours about where the water-in-a-cup technique in Initial D was derived. Until Shigeno explicitly states the true origin, we don't really know. Interesting factoid nonetheless. This post has been edited by kyonpalm on May 27 2013, 01:06 PM | ||
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Ballist1x | Posted: Jun 4 2013, 04:42 AM |
IDW Jr. Member Group: Members Posts: 56 Member No.: 41,628 Joined: Jun 2nd 2013 Location: Update Profile | Nos? For me the fujiwara zone is just takumi getting 'insane' entry/exit speed into a corner. The 'phasing' graphics you see if just a visual representation of takumi taking the corner faster than the opponent is believing possible in the ae86. |
EddieNanakase | Posted: Jun 4 2013, 11:04 PM |
Shmuck Group: Members Posts: 9 Member No.: 22,911 Joined: Jan 20th 2007 Location: Chicago | Here's the thing, this is in no way a spoiler since I don't read the manga. I'm not sure if anyone has noticed, but Takumi only gets advice from Ryosuke, Takumi doesn't really gets taught anything, unlike Keisuke. Remember the two different driving styles that Ryosuke talked about in Fourth Stage when Takumi raced the Tommi (I think that's his name) the professional driver? There's an orthodox and a pure street specialist types of drivers. I actually think that what Ryosuke means in the "D" of the Project D's name might be something like D stands for "difference", as in the difference of the orthodox and pure street specialist. You can tell from miles away that Project D's final opponent is going to be themselves, the two double aces are going to have to face each other. In fact, in some of the episodes in the anime, don't remember if it was Keisuke or Ryosuke that says that even though they belong on the same team (Project D), Takumi is still their enemy. I think what Ryosuke really wants from Project D, is to know who really is faster, an orthodox (professional type of driver) or a pure street specialist (a street racer). So I think that Ryosuke is helping the orthodox racer (Keisuke) and the pure street specialist (Takumi) to reach their peaks in driving skills to set them off in a final race to prove who really is faster, an orthodox racer or a street racer. Hey, honestly, this is my opinion, my prediction of what's going on, I haven't read the manga at all, but I think this is something that a lot of us have picked up from the episodes so far. As for the Fujiwara zone, it caught me off guard when I first saw it. I thought for sure that they were going to kill the anime with this Fujiwara zone. I thought that because one of the main reasons why we have fallen in love with the anime, is because of it's realistic depiction of real life racing. The settings are real places in Japan, the techniques are also real, and the physics are realistic. On the other hand, the Fujiwara zone makes things look a little bit too fantasy like, but I realized that things aren't really like that. I believe that the Fujiwara zone is actually a state in which Takumi corners faster than his opponents, but only by a small margin. The Fujiwara zone illustrates this small margin of gain. I think it was animated this way to portray how fast does Takumi's cornering seem to his opponents. |
sideways | Posted: Jun 5 2013, 01:28 AM |
We're the People's Front of Judea! Group: Advanced Members Posts: 13,123 Member No.: 1,355 Joined: Feb 28th 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada | I personally dislike the "fujiwara zone" thing in the anime as its been presented. Like stated before, its presented as being too magic'ish'y to fit properly in the initial d ive grown up watching. The way ive TRIED to "rationalize" whats been demonstrated in the anime (the blinking forward thing), is that takumi is able to exit through a corner "faster than youd expect". Ie the drivers are building mental images/predictions (like catching a ball or something, you lead it with your eyes/hands to see where its going to go, not where it is) of what takumi is doing in his rolla- Predicting where hell be in the corner, during, and how hell be accelerating out of it- and then suddenly/abruptly takumi accelerates at a rate you werent predicting, and the reality of it contradicts what the mental prediction was. Kind of a mental reaction to "he should be there but somehow hes actually there!. From what I gather about it based on whats been stated in the anime, takumi is basically accelerating through/out of the corner at 100% of what the car is physically capable of doing- instead of the "humanly possible" 95-98% (Bs numbers pulled out of my ass to elaborate on the situation). Everything was "perfect" and couldnt have gone even an iota better/faster. |
Ballist1x | Posted: Jun 5 2013, 02:22 AM |
IDW Jr. Member Group: Members Posts: 56 Member No.: 41,628 Joined: Jun 2nd 2013 Location: Update Profile | When did he disable the 'ping ping ping' noise that occurs at over 66mph? In vol 2 of the manga he takes Cole out and its pinging through all the corners.. |
DreadAngel | Posted: Jun 5 2013, 03:57 AM |
恐怖の天使 Group: Members Posts: 430 Member No.: 23,183 Joined: Feb 10th 2007 Location: Update Profile | I can understand what they're trying to represent, but to show it like the car has a blackhole warp drive isn't the greatest solution. A comment from one of my more humorous friends was Initial D Stage 5 asked Tite Kubo [Bleach] for help... Cole? = Iketani? [I don't watch the American **** version] Most likely disabled when they switched the Engine... Different ECU to run that engine... |
Takahashi Rensuke | Posted: Jun 5 2013, 04:35 AM | ||
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You know what? I totally forgotten about that! Kudos to you for pointing that out... | ||
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