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> Greater Transparency
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  Posted: Aug 20 2010, 05:17 AM


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It would do a lot for the morale of the forum as a whole if there would be a greater sense of transparency when it comes to mod or admin actions. In the recent couple of days, there have been a couple of instances where such actions did not make sense, and being more transparent would only help. A couple of ideas, to throw them out there:

- Access to moderators' log by any member ( as suggested by Nomake ), or failing that,
- Implementation of a Pillory List.
- Automated mod notes for actions taken in threads ( lock, pin, etc. )
- Removal of "Moderating Team" cop out message from warnings.

Just a couple of ideas to consider.
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Posted: Aug 20 2010, 07:42 AM


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These last few days had me thinking that maybe getting rid of the judiciary section might have been a bad idea after all. If it was still around maybe that could have been the best avenue to explore (it would have been transparent from the get go) rather then the backhanded way that this whole thing went down.
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QUOTE (BOZZ @ 2 minutes, 19 seconds ago)
These last few days had me thinking that maybe getting rid of the judiciary section might have been a bad idea after all. If it was still around maybe that could have been the best avenue to explore (it would have been transparent from the get go) rather then the backhanded way that this whole thing went down.

I thought the old way worked...why was it removed in the first place?





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QUOTE (BOZZ @ 5 minutes, 26 seconds ago)
These last few days had me thinking that maybe getting rid of the judiciary section might have been a bad idea after all. If it was still around maybe that could have been the best avenue to explore (it would have been transparent from the get go) rather then the backhanded way that this whole thing went down.

The problem with the Judiciary was that something that was a relatively serious issue was made into a game.

That's why it was removed.

The proper way would work :

Contact administration, and talk it out. Atone for whatever got you banned, make amends with whoever, etc.

Nothing hard about that, why overcomplicate things?

Edit: But that is really a bit off-topic as it relates to the purpose of this thread.

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Well for one thing, if it had been used it would have been all out in the public eye. Perhaps it could have been fine tuned, rather than having someone else represent, have a sort of guest account that the banned user could use to only post one thread/one post (maybe?) defending himself and why he should be re-instated?
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QUOTE (BOZZ @ 49 seconds ago)
Well for one thing, if it had been used it would have been all out in the public eye. Perhaps it could have been fine tuned, rather than having someone else represent, have a sort of guest account that the banned user could use to only post one thread/one post (maybe?) defending himself and why he should be re-instated?

That would still be a game, IMHO.

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As long as it will reduce forum politics drama, I'm all for it (greater transparency.) I don't see why the mod/admin team can't be more transparent and open about their actions, so I agree about this.
It would also help to bring mods/admins closer to our level and vice-versa.

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QUOTE (KyonPalm @ Yesterday, 10:16 AM)
As long as it will reduce forum politics drama, I'm all for it (greater transparency.) I don't see why the mod/admin team can't be more transparent and open about their actions, so I agree about this.
It would also help to bring mods/admins closer to our level and vice-versa.

That was something that I was always worked towards during my tenure.

It could be seen with my mod notes for any action that I took :

*Notes like this*
*In all different colours*
*Even in the most recent color of red*

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Not trying to beat on a dead horse, but...

https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=41150

Now people will think I have powers or something. >_<
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Fair enough. I overlooked that aspect... it's been a while.
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QUOTE (Tessou @ 1 minute, 22 seconds ago)
Fair enough. I overlooked that aspect... it's been a while.

Thank you, you know how gullible people can be. wink2.gif
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I think I will carry on the concept of transparency, given that the administration has no problem with it. Today's actions by myself were:

- Closing the above linked thread.
- Restating the Community Section rules to reflect a change in moderator privileges.
- Reducing Ben's warn level.
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It's not like you have to post everything in here ( although that sparked an interesting idea of a public mod log, but I doubt it would ever be kept up to date ).
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Think of it as an example. The staff section does log mod actions so it wouldn't be that difficult to implement.
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QUOTE (Möbius @ Aug 20 2010, 08:17 AM)
It would do a lot for the morale of the forum as a whole if there would be a greater sense of transparency when it comes to mod or admin actions. In the recent couple of days, there have been a couple of instances where such actions did not make sense, and being more transparent would only help. A couple of ideas, to throw them out there:

- Access to moderators' log by any member ( as suggested by Nomake ), or failing that,
- Implementation of a Pillory List.
- Automated mod notes for actions taken in threads ( lock, pin, etc. )
- Removal of "Moderating Team" cop out message from warnings.

Just a couple of ideas to consider.

Quoting my own post for a reason :

https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=41...dpost&p=1173110

I did not agree with it when it was implemented, and I don't agree with it now.
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You don't agree with the little note tacked on to warned posts? e'splain
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QUOTE (Alex @ 6 minutes, 17 seconds ago)
You don't agree with the little note tacked on to warned posts? e'splain

I don't agree with the Anonymous warns.
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QUOTE (Möbius @ 57 minutes, 38 seconds ago)
I don't agree with the Anonymous warns.

Ohhh, I see what you're talking about. I understand why it peeves you, and I agree it can be a cop out. I don't think it's a problem, but I see where you're coming from.

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QUOTE (Alex @ 16 minutes, 1 seconds ago)
Ohhh, I see what you're talking about. I understand why it peeves you, and I agree it can be a cop out. I don't think it's a problem, but I see where you're coming from.

I've never used it once, unless it was by accident.

It's hard to garner respect when hiding behind a one-way mirror.
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That example you posted there was because the mod in question wasn't comfortable being labeled as "the guy that banned him". It ended up making it look like I was the guy that did it even though I was away at the time, but we have rectified the issue there. Anonymous warns are not the norm for staff anymore.
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QUOTE (Tessou @ 4 hours, 11 minutes ago)
That example you posted there was because the mod in question wasn't comfortable being labeled as "the guy that banned him".

Said person is not fit for the position then.

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It ended up making it look like I was the guy that did it even though I was away at the time, but we have rectified the issue there.


See why it is a problem?

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Anonymous warns are not the norm for staff anymore.


2 warns issued yesterday, one of them was Perry, the other was anonymous. That points to it being the norm. Those are just facts, you don't have to defend against them.
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QUOTE (Möbius @ 7 hours, 42 minutes ago)
2 warns issued yesterday, one of them was Perry, the other was anonymous. That points to it being the norm. Those are just facts, you don't have to defend against them.

I don't see how that points to it being the norm. That's not even a proper sample. Realistically wouldn't you want several warns from several mods? They way you're doing it, if you had 2 samples from regular mods (not Perry) and one was anonymous, you somehow point to the anon as the majority.
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Isn't one of them too many?
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Well for one thing, that's a small a sample to use...
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Y'know, it's not their fault for using a feature given to them. If one's too many it wouldn't have been put there in the first place.
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