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Posted by: razorsuKe Oct 14 2008, 10:32 PM

Alright, I've been thinking for a long time now that if I can get a group of people who know programming, we could do some interesting stuff.

1) Make our own IR
Perry can host it and do php, we just need someone who can decode how the passwords work. icedagger mentioned that we just need the hash key.
email system and posting should be no problem after that.
I've thought of emailing sega of america but I'm pretty sure they have no authority to give us code or anything. Emailing sega of japan is pointless unless you're fluent in japanese because I'm sure an english rep would not be good enough to connect us to the right people and translate.

2) Porting the game itself
I know those guys who code ROMs and stuff are working on getting v1-3 on computer, but I actually have the GD-ROM and v1, 2 3 on those sega GD-CDs. Plus I have hundreds of blank cards and a couple card readers.
I just don't know anyone interested in connecting it to a computer and figuring things out.

So if there are people out there who can do this or figure something out, please contribute to this thread!

Posted by: icedagger Oct 14 2008, 11:48 PM

Is there any chance we can just ask Sega for the IR software and offer to host it elsewhere? It would save us a lot of trouble of figuring out exactly how the passwords work.

Failing that, I was thinking one of the following:
1. Collect as many accurate passwords and driver id keys as possible and try to figure out the password encoding/encryption.

2. Obtain a copy of the game and reverse engineer it to figure out how the passwords work.

I probably won't be much help figuring out the password encryption but I could probably set up a custom IR once the encryption is cracked.

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As for getting ID working on a computer, Naomi encryption was "cracked" earlier this year. Given the similarity of Naomi and Naomi 2 hardware, It shouldn't be long before Naomi 2 encryption is cracked.The problem is nobody has made an emulator that works at a decent speed.

Still, if somebody could decrypt the IDAS3 ROM, it should be usable to figure out how the passwords work.

EDIT:
I'm by no means an expert at this sort of thing. So somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Posted by: redcomet121 Oct 15 2008, 05:06 AM

I don't have this kind of knowledge but there is a person who hacked the IR right? May be that person know how IR works...

Posted by: irninjah Oct 15 2008, 05:12 AM

Well uhh, In response to your whole "hacking" thing, What if you get busted or something? ...

Anyways, try asking the top dude here:

http://initial-d.info/perf/v3/perf_ranking_list.jsp?stat_type=1&car=4&col_name=akns_up_s

Posted by: redcomet121 Oct 15 2008, 05:55 AM

I didn't mean that you guys should hacked SEGA but a person who get that ridiculous time may know how IR works. So he/she can post that kind of record...

And yes, the MR2 in that link is the one I mentioned about.

Posted by: icedagger Oct 15 2008, 06:11 AM

@irninjah:
The car performance website works by pulling the data from the ranking pages. You don't need to know how the passwords work to put up something like that.

@redcomet121:
Nope, I don't think anybody here would want to ask reyherks how he put up a hacked time.

My best guess is he started with an existing password and tried random variations until he got something that the system accepted. It would take a while, but it would work. There's no way of controlling what time would come up though, which is why he came up with some ridiculous times like < 2min on Akina Snow.

EDIT:
nevermind my theory on how he hacked the IR, I think I know how he did it.

Posted by: BDDEE@ Oct 15 2008, 07:05 AM

i thought if someone got the naomi 2 software and IDASv3 GD-ROM working that you might be able to save each card on a kind of, save slot thing
im not really into this stuff but its an idea, saves hooking up card readers and such to peoples pc's

Posted by: hahariz Oct 17 2008, 11:34 PM

QUOTE (icedagger @ Oct 15 2008, 03:48 PM)

Is there any chance we can just ask Sega for the IR software and offer to host it elsewhere?

Based on my experience with SEGA, no. Even if V3 has been long dead and not supported for years they still wont release any sort of software and whatnot, even for ANY of their game.

Posted by: imprezagc8 Oct 18 2008, 12:43 AM

this sounds like a good idea. i wish you the best of luck if you do decide to port the game or make a ranking site.

Posted by: initialv Oct 20 2008, 06:24 PM

Amazing Idea, I was always hoping that somehow that someone will create a ranking system. Although I know jack all about Programming, doing 1st year Programming atm, I wish you guys the best of luck.

If this turns out perfect, I'm back into v3.

Posted by: imprezagc8 Oct 25 2008, 11:12 AM

QUOTE (initialv @ Oct 20 2008, 04:24 PM)

If this turns out perfect, I'm back into v3.

same here

i think alot more people would get back into playing ver. 3

Posted by: redcomet121 Nov 4 2008, 06:03 AM

QUOTE (icedagger @ Oct 14 2008, 11:48 PM)

1. Collect as many accurate passwords and driver id keys as possible and try to figure out the password encoding/encryption.

So i just read this and think that everyone can obtain accurate passwords+id keys from the card. If everyone post them here and someone just figure out how IR works, we can reboot IR.

It just that no one has that much time to solve it I think

Posted by: FD3SIzDaBest Nov 4 2008, 08:54 AM

Good luck with this.
Have a few times that I wanted to put up but missed the deadline.
Definitely would play again if the competitiveness returned with IR.

Posted by: Cowman715 Nov 4 2008, 10:30 AM

ID3 is now at Tri County Flea Market, it's the old PPG machines, but with reset records.

f**king play

Posted by: razorsuKe Nov 4 2008, 01:07 PM

ok well let me post an update and answer some questions.

1) I've driven to every possible outlet of an arcade in my city, there are no more v3s with card readers.

2) The guy with the last hacked records on v3, (reyherks with MR2) doesn't know JACKSHIT ALL about ANYTHING, for sure
For those who don't know him, he's a grade A moron.

3) As I've previously said, I doubt we can expect any help from sega just because their american/english branch won't have the info that we need or the authority to get it and talking directly with the japanese branch will be more difficult than learning OO-language and programming it myself.

4) If someone can contact those emulator guys, I could definitely help them out and/or work on the IR code with them.
But so far, as far as I know, they haven't done jackshit yet.

Posted by: Sil80Drifter Nov 6 2008, 02:23 AM

QUOTE (razorsuKe @ Nov 4 2008, 01:07 PM)

is reykerks the same as JAILY? or is it another person? iv seen jaily at my arcade and i live in vancouver..

Posted by: razorsuKe Nov 6 2008, 04:39 AM

QUOTE (Sil80Drifter @ Today at 4:23 AM)

is reykerks the same as JAILY? or is it another person? iv seen jaily at my arcade and i live in vancouver..

They are different people.

jaily is just some guy who thought he was hot shit until the internet-ID community called him out and we never heard from him again.

reyherks is some fag from indonesia, malaysia or singapore (I can't remember which) who goes out of his way to live his life for the sole purpose of annoying people who play ID.

Posted by: shuya80 Dec 6 2008, 12:15 AM

^^cory u forgot to add in mt also. and also in bg4. aha i remeber when i was playing v3...he'd only fish little kids with his so called lvl 31 cars and only play his own cars. and if anyone comes in with decent skills he turns off challenging to challenge u with a different car. lies to ppl about his tas...etc.

Posted by: initialv Mar 5 2009, 01:12 AM

Well, don't know how I happen to stumble upon razorsuKe's page,
and then I saw this:-

https://kishu.ca/customir/index.html

progress?

Posted by: razorsuKe Mar 5 2009, 11:48 AM

no that was just one of the many things I made public to help ppl having trouble putting their times on IR.

Basically if you wanted japanese IR on english, you'd use that form, or if you wanted your record on the "secret area"
Also you wouldn't have to login to IR to put a time up, you could just use that.

But it's all gone now so that page is useless haha

Posted by: redcomet121 Sep 12 2009, 11:01 PM

Okay we do have hand made IR now...

http://bbs.17utt.com/thread-211391-1-1.html

So many record were beat, especially tsuchisaka ob.

Old player like catking and KARL still play.

Anyone want to back in a move?

Posted by: JaeMok Sep 17 2009, 12:23 AM

I would love to post my mediocre times but that site is in chinese.

Posted by: Lunar Jul 30 2010, 04:06 AM

QUOTE (redcomet121 @ Sep 12 2009, 11:01 PM)

Thanks. I was looking for a decent working IR still alive out there....lol

By the way, in your link there's an easier and more organized site (imo) linked there too.

Edit: It's apparently not up-to-date, it's lacking the ligaroti WRs for example, but hey at least we can have a general idea.

http://www.rp-taki.com/~rp-taki/webapps/listOfficialIrCourseTopRecords.rpt?v=3&w=1&t=2&view=latest#15

I'm planning on making a comeback, once I finish some personal stuff. I'll give these dudes some happo competition, since basically all the other maps have already been whored to their limit...

Posted by: redcomet121 Jul 30 2010, 11:04 AM

QUOTE (Lunar @ 6 hours, 57 minutes ago)

You can do happo, but watch out the japanese (Daiki,RodomanR and Crolla) because they still active.

I'm on akagi uh right now

Posted by: Lunar Jul 30 2010, 01:38 PM

QUOTE (redcomet121 @ 2 hours, 34 minutes ago)

You can do happo, but watch out the japanese (Daiki,RodomanR and Crolla) because they still active.

I'm on akagi uh right now

Yeah, thanks for the heads up...haha But I prefer it this way, it's what makes ID3 so fun in the first place... ^^
It will be very cool if I can compete with those guys...heh

Go for Akagi UH record !!

Posted by: Turbo 85 Jul 30 2010, 03:08 PM

couple months ago i played v3 and beat some usui ccw model records (S14Q and AE86 Levin). anybody know how i can get those posted to some site?

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machines are all messed up now so i can't play anymore =\.

Posted by: redcomet121 Jul 30 2010, 09:32 PM

@Lunar - I get ek9 already. Next might be GDB or evo6.

@JJ - I can contact to xlun@ from Hong Kong, whom can change the IR. Send me a picture or video so I can send to him. I sent this pic to him already.

Posted by: jun88 Jul 31 2010, 06:39 AM

Getting IR back is the bestest thing that will happen since the IR had closed..At here m'sia,we had a lot of machine with card reader but all those machine are SUPER SUCKS...steering is stupid,gear is stupid....Until now it is still happenning..somehow at other country still had good machine BUT no card reader...WTH....If the IR is back,it will be SUPER GOOD!sad things is I can't play anymore...since those violent idiots can even tear the steering at middle steel of word ''T'' part..
RAZOR...hopefully IR will be back.counting on you

Posted by: Lunar Jul 31 2010, 07:06 AM

That sucks man, but hopefully don't give up...

Also, maybe the real IR won't be back ever again, but there are lots of people who want to keep ID3 ranking alive...just look at the sites that redcomet has given us, it provides updated IR...and we can also ask people to upload our times, if they are WR or MR...

Posted by: redcomet121 Aug 18 2010, 06:35 AM

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://ranking.segarosso.com/inidas3/index.html

And some how this website can reboot the IR...

I don't think we can post the record in there but I didn't try it yet.

If you want it in English, add "e" after inidas3.

Thanks to EON@GAO who find this website.

Posted by: Lunar Aug 18 2010, 06:44 AM

QUOTE (redcomet121 @ 8 minutes, 54 seconds ago)

HOOOOLLLYYYYYY SHIIIIIIEEEETTTTT...!!!

hahahahhahahhah woww.... that's amazing !!!

Now, if only we can manage to find a way to post times, it will be more amazing...but still, really nice find !

Is EON still active in ID3??

Posted by: redcomet121 Aug 18 2010, 06:50 AM

You can try post some time. I forgot how to use it already haha.

From what i know, EON is most likely to be a cameraman rather than player. Not sure if he decide to come back yet. Xlun@ should know that better than me.

Posted by: Lunar Aug 18 2010, 07:04 AM

QUOTE (redcomet121 @ 13 minutes, 59 seconds ago)

I think that site only allows you to look through the past happenings. I tried an ID but the site does not recognize, doesn't allow us to go further...

But it's still a progress..from here, maybe someone can somehow revive the IR fully...

About EON, I asked because I wanted to know if he would come back if I beat his Akina Snow RX8 MR...hahaha...

Posted by: redcomet121 Aug 18 2010, 07:24 AM

I hope there is someone who can revive it...

I'm not good at this kind of thing.

And i believe Akina snow rx8 MR holder is not EON.

Posted by: axic Aug 18 2010, 10:42 AM

Hello, i'm back from military service recently lol
seldom plays D3 in 08/09 cuz i turn to WMMT.

These days I'm working at shomaru outbound, aiming 54'...
but it still needs a lot of effort >_>

PS: sorry to let you down, my snow time sucks now
can't even hit 20 with 4WD cars. XD

Posted by: Lunar Aug 18 2010, 11:25 AM

QUOTE (axic @ 42 minutes, 54 seconds ago)

heyyy... yes, it is axic, not eon the owner of RX8 record on snow.. haha XD

good to hear you're back.. you can surely reach 54' on Shomaru, you are very good player.

I am going to compete with your Akina snow DH time with RX8! I'll give news soon.

-Lunar

Posted by: Larmo Aug 18 2010, 12:53 PM

QUOTE (Lunar @ 1 hour, 27 minutes ago)

Are you going to release any new videos?

Posted by: Lunar Aug 18 2010, 01:09 PM

QUOTE (Larmo @ 15 minutes, 38 seconds ago)

Are you going to release any new videos?

Once I have new records, yes. I will try to capture on video.

But like I told redcomet121, right now I'm not able to play, am not having free time. But around october I will go full out. I hope I can achieve my goals.

Posted by: Larmo Aug 18 2010, 02:09 PM

QUOTE (Lunar @ 59 minutes, 48 seconds ago)

That's nice to hear dude, If you ever in the LA area let me know dude
As for me, I'm trying to get some Myogi MR haha
It's so hard to get even close to one, so far I'm close to a few in a way

Posted by: redcomet121 Aug 19 2010, 06:38 AM

I didn't see razor here for an age...

where is he now?

Posted by: Lunar Aug 19 2010, 10:05 AM

QUOTE (redcomet121 @ 3 hours, 27 minutes ago)

I didn't see razor here for an age...

where is he now?

He's around.......

I showed him the IR again, he was like OHFCUK !! hahahhah

Who knows, maybe one day razor can also come back and pwn again.

Posted by: redcomet121 Aug 20 2010, 08:10 AM

What about the machine?

He once mentioned that he can buy it with ebay. Did he actually get it?

Posted by: DamienWolf Aug 20 2010, 08:40 AM

Turned out that was a fake, last time we talked. Something about he was ready and the seller himself backed out. In any case, would be cool if V3 was revived, yeah.

Posted by: axic Aug 22 2010, 08:35 AM

Big news today:
water (also known as akagi expert) renewed Cat king's Irohazaka DH record:
user posted image

His new record is 2'54"529, theory 54"319

hope we can see Cat king taking revenge soon

Posted by: redcomet121 Aug 22 2010, 09:04 AM

Holy shit!!!

Is there a video?

I think WATER went on military service, doesn't he?

It's been a while that I don't see cat king, does he still active?

Posted by: Larmo Aug 22 2010, 09:13 AM

QUOTE (redcomet121 @ 9 minutes, 22 seconds ago)

Holy shit!!!

Is there a video?

I think WATER went on military service, doesn't he?

It's been a while that I don't see cat king, does he still active?

There's a video on his channel

Posted by: axic Aug 22 2010, 09:39 AM

yep..water is on military service, he made the record during vacation

Cat king's reluctant to play D3 again since he made Iroha DH WR
another reason is he's very busy this year

but i think water's new record will make him try iro DH again LoL

Posted by: jun88 Aug 22 2010, 10:30 AM

hopefully will see new record of 2 course
akina uhd WR and akina dhd 8v MR

Posted by: Lunar Aug 22 2010, 01:24 PM

QUOTE (axic @ 4 hours, 49 minutes ago)

Big news today:
water (also known as akagi expert) renewed Cat king's Irohazaka DH record:
http://www.hoount.com/picture/ffs/2010+08+22pm22-56-13.jpg

His new record is 2'54"529, theory 54"319

hope we can see Cat king taking revenge soon

wooahh... so pro..@@

do you know if water will go for other records??? I see in his intro movie that it's ''last series part 1'' ....

Posted by: axic Aug 22 2010, 07:10 PM

well that means he will try other car on this course

....Do you think RX-8 iroha 54' is possible?

Posted by: Lunar Aug 23 2010, 04:52 AM

QUOTE (axic @ 9 hours, 41 minutes ago)

well that means he will try other car on this course

....Do you think RX-8 iroha 54' is possible?

I think he might have already '54 ....

I saw one of his videos had 55'3 already....plus his theory was 54'98x ...

Hope we have news soon.

Posted by: redcomet121 Aug 23 2010, 06:33 AM

If i translate it right, he has 55"2 now.

Posted by: jun88 Aug 24 2010, 09:45 AM

as I remember,MR was 2.55.1++

Posted by: nitenniten Apr 14 2013, 03:38 AM

here the link for the port,but the quality seems a lil bit of sucky
youtube.com/watch?v=ValWQwu6l14