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> The New Theory on FF Drifting.
Jayson
Posted: Jan 2 2003, 02:04 PM


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WTF are you talking about, last I heard you were 15, no? So are you telling me you are driving under age? If this is true what kind of shmuck are you?

And whats wrong with ricing out a car? In Japan thats a big thing, but over there they call it VIP, but it's mostly the Yokazua (sp?) do it, so I don't mind them, it's just that when they think they can race, thats when I get pissed mad.gif
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Posted: Jan 2 2003, 04:13 PM


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Iam 15 and last time i look in my wallet i had a restriced class e liscences. so i can drive legally, guess iam not a smuck. and if you must know i did learn to drive under age.
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Posted: Jan 2 2003, 05:12 PM


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QUOTE (Jayson @ Jan 2 2003, 01:54 PM)
And whats wrong with ricing out a car? In Japan thats a big thing, but over there they call it VIP, but it's mostly the Yokazua (sp?) do it, so I don't mind them, it's just that when they think they can race, thats when I get pissed mad.gif

*shakes head*.......I didn't expect to hear that from you......lol


oh and about that FF FR thing.........they use that in the anime..not FWD or RWD and that anime isn't about rice.


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Posted: Jan 2 2003, 06:35 PM


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it's Shmuck, not smuck you shmuck
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Posted: Jan 2 2003, 11:18 PM


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lol ...and who said Initial D was rice again so that i can kick his butt !
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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 08:46 AM


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once you pull that E-brake and start sliding, you little to no control, there's no way to correct it once you start it.


ok first off 'e-brake' drift is common in FR and FF drifting, it is used to initiate or maintain traction loss in the rear end of the vehicle. Just coz u pull the e-brake and lock the rear wheels does not mean that u now have little to no control over the vehicle, this all matters on how much the e-brake has been pulled, how long it has been pulled for, and obviously the driving skills of the person behind the wheel.

and saying there is no way to correct it once u start it is wrong also, just like any other form of oversteer, in extreme cases past the cars threshold yes there is no way to correct, but in a normal oversteering condition u can control e-brake oversteer with countersteering and throttle control...

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you actualy gain speed when you lock your tires up


ok this is soooo wrong, once u have locked up your tyres, you will slow down slower than if they were gripping the road, but there is no way u GAIN speed, i mean lets think about it

get in your car, speed up to 100km/h, slam on the brakes, i mean SLAM THEM, locking up those wheels, what happens? do u increase speed, are u now doing 110km/h? no

pplz, especially jason coz he spams these forums so much, should actually have some knowledge about what they are talking about b4 they blab whatever they want to say..
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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 10:45 AM


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uh-oh... he said ff drifting laugh.gif j/k

anyhow... i knew e-braking could not make a car go faster... perhaps just make it slide faster...
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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 05:27 PM


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Your car will go faster if you lock your tires up. Knowledge? I have that in spades. If you lock your tires up you WILL gain speed, not a large amount, but you will increase your velocity.
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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 05:31 PM


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And another, why must you always insult me about my rather large post count and with how often I post? Just because I spam doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. I have answered a few peeps questions about cars and racing techniques outside of the board. Just because not every post has something related to how to do a certain technique right doesn't mean I don't know my stuff.
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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 06:42 PM


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QUOTE (Jayson @ Jan 10 2003, 03:25 PM)
Your car will go faster if you lock your tires up. Knowledge? I have that in spades. If you lock your tires up you WILL gain speed, not a large amount, but you will increase your velocity.

i thought it would decrease speed since the tires, not spinning, will gain a little traction due to friction... so i think speed will decrease, not a large amount, but you will decrease your velocity...
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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 06:54 PM


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When you lock your tires up, you LOOSE traction, you are sliding
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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 07:06 PM


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ok my bad... you're right... i meant something different... hehe
disregard the last comment biggrin.gif
what i mean is that braking in any way or manner would decrease speed... slowing/stopping the tires would slow down the car due to friction... it's common sense

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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 08:30 PM


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that is right, and thats why thresh hold breaking is soo important. Because you want to get the most stoppage (is that even a word? unsure.gif ) from you tires with out them going over their friction limit
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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 09:16 PM


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threshold braking would be braking w/o having your car lose traction, but almost.
so if you want to make your car slide by locking up your tires [in order to make your driving faster, according to you] why would you need threshold braking? unsure.gif
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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 09:41 PM


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threshold braking is breaking to the point before sliding, so you get the most out of your tires when stopping
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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 09:46 PM


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with threshold braking... you are planning to slow down while getting "the most out of your tires when stopping"

so if you intend to slide AND make a fast slide with brake lock... how is threshold braking connected? wink2.gif
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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 09:56 PM


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you don't want to slide, sliding is bad
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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 10:17 PM


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but if you suddenly lock your tires, all you get it slide
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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 10:27 PM


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and thats why we don't lock them up
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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 10:41 PM


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dry.gif but that was your idea to gain speed
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you actualy gain speed when you lock your tires up


therefore from our conversation:

lock up tires = slide = bad = slow down
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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 11:01 PM


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lock up=slide=bad=slow down is wrong

lock up=slide=bad is right, but slow down is wrong
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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 11:02 PM


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You don't want to gain speed, thats why locking up is bad
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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 11:17 PM


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But, if you start a dift to soon you can pull the E-brake to get it sliding sideways more, but this isn't a very common technique, and it takes mad skills to use properly.


why is gaining speed bad? if you want to complete a turn, you pull the e-brake you said. so by pulling the e-brake, you lose traction to complete the turn, therefore taking less friction which would decrease decelaration.
so when you decrease decelaration, you technically gain speed[this is how i interpreted your quote about locking tires gaining speed]. which i believe is good? tongue.gif

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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 11:26 PM


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all that you said is correct, but it is very unpredictable, and I wouldn't recomend doing it.
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Posted: Jan 10 2003, 11:49 PM


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i don't either tongue.gif but just in case

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