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Posted by: Master0fMadness Aug 23 2016, 08:33 AM
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This is my new 1996 Honda Accord Wagon (CE1) that survived... what you see in front of it.

I paid $750 for this car, more of an act of charity to the previous owner than anything else given its shape, but it helped fund him a more reliable ZZT231 Celica GT-S.

Or her shape, rather.

Her name is Claire.

She has 225,000 miles, give or take a few thousand.

She needs a lot of work.

So I'm logging my build of the car here.

Let's begin with what has already been done.

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That's not accident damage you see there, that's fire damage. The whole driver side of the car was melted, and the headlight and turn signal got a good licking. The car originally had these retarded-looking ricer spec headlights and yellowed crystal turn signals, so I decided to just buy a new set of CAPA-certified headlights and amber turn signals.

Also, out went the eGay 7,000K HIDs and in went a set of perfectly reasonable Sylvania Xtravisions.

My commuter/Lyft car had underwhelming Continental ContiProContact E tires which I uptraded into BFGoodrich Advantage T/As but since the tires on Claire were worn down to the cord, she was a perfect receptacle for tires that kind of suck but only have about 1,500 miles on them.

But this car needs work. Right now she has a gasser stance because the front struts and springs are from the junkyard and the rear springs were HEATED not from the fire, but from a man with a torch who wanted his car to look 'street' but didn't want to spend money on it. Front had that too, but the suspension was wrecked from it and the ride quality was terrible.

These struts are pretty much stock, but blown out. I'm thinking of Bilstein struts and MOOG coil springs.

The CV axles click and grind. Badly. I'm afraid they'll break soon so for now she's parked in the back lot waiting for me to spend money on that.

The steering rack leaks and the tie rod ends creak.

4th and 5th gears are kinda crunchy.

The left side power window regulators don't really work, and when they do, the window goes off track unless you manhandle it while depressing the up button.

The power door lock actuators don't work on the passenger's side and you can hear them screaming when pressing the button.

There's no radio and the speakers are blown out.

The engine leaks oil from every seal and needs to be re-gasketed, but makes a hell of a lot less valvetrain noise than Hanna's civic, so there's that. Probably needs a tune-up, too. It's an F22B2, so no VTEC.

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Mods?

Let's fix this shopping list of repairs first and then we'll talk.





-Master

Posted by: Lonely_Driver Aug 23 2016, 12:47 PM
Love wagons and Hondas! Looking forward to this build.


Posted by: Sensation! Aug 23 2016, 02:32 PM
QUOTE (Master0fMadness @ 5 hours, 59 minutes ago)


Mods?

Let's fix this shopping list of repairs first and then we'll talk.


Words I never expected you to type.
That's a compliment.

Looking forward to see where this ends up. I've always wanted an accord wagon like this.

Posted by: Spaz Aug 23 2016, 08:29 PM
Dang, those are getting to be pretty rare these days. Be cool to see it all fixed up and then see what direction you go with it.

Posted by: Master0fMadness Aug 23 2016, 09:42 PM
Yeah, I bought this car almost out of desperation due to the fact that I wasn't sure if the repo man was going to come for my other car after filing bankruptcy or if I'd be able to keep her.

Well, turns out I can, but man, this thing is really going to be a project.

But man, the amount of body work she needs is insurmountable.

Let me be clear... most 'repairs' are going to be me throwing money at a guy who buys a lot of stuff from my store, handing him parts and going 'fix this, fix that'.

I can take care of the radio situation on my own, maybe the window regulators, but I have no place to do actual work on the car. It sucks.

I might just make this trashy car visually trashier... IDK. A proper paint job and exterior restoration would cost a small fortune, probably 5-8 times what the car's worth, but some JDMStiva-esque mods are dirt cheap and I wouldn't feel bad about doing it to a car that's already fucked up.

Oh man, almost forgot, that purple tint that you can't really see has to go. Maybe a retint, maybe not.

I'm just happy that I've got the financial skills these days to maintain a decent enough budget to save up and fix this wreck, piece by piece. It's kind of nice, in a way, to pay retribution to all the cars in my past that I've ruined or abandoned once problems began to mount.

Plus I know people who fix shit now and aren't in the business to rip people off. That's also nice.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Aug 23 2016, 10:05 PM
If the frame is solid I don't see why you can't just replace body parts rather than repair what's already there. That said, I don't know these cars, so I could just be talking out my ass. Best of luck, I now feel a hell of a lot better about my $400 Protege with a BHG. I might just fix it so I have experience doing a head job on a DOHC and to see if I can get it up and running for less than you paid for this thing. awesome.gif

Posted by: Master0fMadness Aug 24 2016, 08:27 AM
By repair the body, I kind of meant replace panels and strip down/repaint what can't be replaced.

Hey, if you got that car dirt cheap, good for you! It's not a competition.

Truth be told I haven't seen another single CE1 on the road and even the CB9 is a rare sight, so it may be worth cleaning the car up just because it's an occasion to see one of these on the road, and the ones I have seen in the past year are in significantly worse shape.

IDK. Waiting for Friday to come so I can order up the steering rack.

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Posted by: kyonpalm Aug 24 2016, 11:36 AM
So lemme get this straight. You actually paid $750...

QUOTE (Master0fMadness @ Yesterday, 12:33 PM)
She has 225,000 miles, give or take a few thousand.

She needs a lot of work.

The CV axles click and grind. Badly. I'm afraid they'll break soon so for now she's parked in the back lot waiting for me to spend money on that.

The steering rack leaks and the tie rod ends creak.

4th and 5th gears are kinda crunchy.

The left side power window regulators don't really work, and when they do, the window goes off track unless you manhandle it while depressing the up button.

The power door lock actuators don't work on the passenger's side and you can hear them screaming when pressing the button.

There's no radio and the speakers are blown out.

The engine leaks oil from every seal and needs to be re-gasketed, but makes a hell of a lot less valvetrain noise than Hanna's civic, so there's that. Probably needs a tune-up, too. It's an F22B2, so no VTEC.

...for this?

Posted by: Master0fMadness Aug 24 2016, 12:09 PM
Yes. And that's the previous owner wearing black, and that's what's left of his house and his possessions.

That's why I posted the picture I did.

The fire destroyed everything. The Accord barely escaped the garage fire before it spread to the house.

So let me guess... you're going to call me for being a retard for being a decent being.

Or did you skip over the context you didn't quote. You know, the part about it being an act of charity?

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Posted by: kyonpalm Aug 24 2016, 12:21 PM
QUOTE (Master0fMadness @ 9 minutes, 31 seconds ago)
Yes. And that's the previous owner wearing black, and that's what's left of his house and his possessions.

That's why I posted the picture I did.

The fire destroyed everything. The Accord barely escaped the garage fire before it spread to the house.

So let me guess... you're going to call me for being a retard for being a decent being.

Or did you skip over the context you didn't quote. You know, the part about it being an act of charity?

I don't fault you as a person for helping someone out, but the fact is you essentially paid $750 for the ability to pay hundreds more dollars to get a car that won't be worth a fraction of your end investment. I can't speak for your financial situation but I can say I don't think it makes much sense for you or the owner because all it does for you is get yourself into a(nother) money pit when you literally just said you're bankrupt, and the owner could just as easily have went and junked it and still gotten at least a little money for it.

All I can say is if it were me and I wanted to help the guy out, I'd have offered anything but buying his ruined and useless junker off him - especially when I'm in desperate need of reliable transportation in the immediate present. I guess that's just me.

Posted by: Master0fMadness Aug 24 2016, 12:39 PM
Truthfully, back in July when I acquired this car it was quite uncertain whether or not I'd have that reaffirmation agreement mailed to me, the used car market in my area was pretty dry of anything under $1,000 that wasn't either a gas guzzling pig like my Suburban (which went back to Dad when I got my new car) or had severe engine or transmission issues.

He actually wanted $1,000 for the wagon but I said, given the car will need $2,000 worth the work to be fully safe, the most I could offer was $750. He said he'd get back to me and then a few weeks later practically begged me to buy it for $750 because his dad was threatening to junk it now that his parents loaned him money to buy the Celica and nobody was even interested in the car at any price.

So I went out to PA, gave him cash, took the title, went back to NJ, titled the car under Hannah's name, drove back, threw plates on it and took Claire in as my own so I could nurture her back to health.

Perhaps I should also mention he doesn't have a job because he can barely stay awake and almost always has a terrible migraine due to scarily bad sleep apnea and PA told him to kick rocks as far as welfare/health insurance goes (cpap machine, sleep studies, etc.), plus the Accord was unsafe as is and the Celica isn't.

Hm... maybe I should also add I've known him since 2008. Remember the Legacy wagon I had? That was his, too.

tl;dr if it was a stranger I wouldn't look at this car twice but this is my friend and 2016's been a fucking cunt to him, I'm trying to make his bad situation just a little bit better and maybe have a nice, somewhat unique car once all is said and done.

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Posted by: kyonpalm Aug 24 2016, 03:50 PM
QUOTE (Master0fMadness @ 2 hours, 48 minutes ago)
... the used car market in my area was pretty dry of anything under $1,000 that wasn't either a gas guzzling pig like my Suburban (which went back to Dad when I got my new car) or had severe engine or transmission issues.

https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/5748981919.html
http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/cto/5745270264.html
https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/5742171424.html
https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/5746292390.html
https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/5737145958.html
http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/cto/5701004635.html
https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/5729817621.html

QUOTE (Master0fMadness @ 2 hours, 48 minutes ago)
... a few weeks later practically begged me to buy it for $750 because his dad was threatening to junk it now that his parents loaned him money to buy the Celica and nobody was even interested in the car at any price.

So he even had help getting a new car already? And it was a Celica? Shit, I wish I could have gotten a Celica.

QUOTE (Master0fMadness @ 2 hours, 48 minutes ago)
Perhaps I should also mention he doesn't have a job because he can barely stay awake and almost always has a terrible migraine due to scarily bad sleep apnea and PA told him to kick rocks as far as welfare/health insurance goes (cpap machine, sleep studies, etc.), plus the Accord was unsafe as is and the Celica isn't.

Hm... maybe I should also add I've known him since 2008. Remember the Legacy wagon I had? That was his, too.

More sob stories won't change my opinion. I get why you did it, I just don't think it was the smartest decision for either of you. But I don't know the intricacies of his situation, so I guess I can't say for sure.

Posted by: Sensation! Aug 24 2016, 06:36 PM
Pick who you call your friends carefully.
Kyonpalm brings up a good point, that car could've been an insurance write off from the fire damage.
I just hope that friend of yours will provide you with the same charity when you're at an low as you did to him.



Still, Accord wagons are cool. I think if you do it right, its a worthy restoration.

Posted by: kyonpalm Aug 24 2016, 07:02 PM
QUOTE (Sensation! @ 26 minutes, 7 seconds ago)
Still, Accord wagons are cool. I think if you do it right, its a worthy restoration.

That's the only thing keeping me from calling this a complete waste, to be honest. Wagon versions of these kinds of cars in general are harder to find - I saw a Camry wagon today for the first time in... I can't remember how long.

Posted by: Master0fMadness Aug 25 2016, 11:19 AM
If it was an automatic or not a wagon I'd probably pass on it. I really wanted to help him out. And no, home insurance doesn't cover vehicles. He tried writing it off but I saw the denial, plus the other things he lost that he got paid way less for than they were worth. If I didn't buy the car I'd probably just give him $600, so I guess really this car was $150.

Whether it was a smart decision or not rests entirely on me. The only thing I can do now is move forward with fixing it. I'm too deep in to just write it off, so I'll play the hand I dealt to myself and own this.

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Posted by: Hannah Aug 26 2016, 12:36 PM
Funny, R63, that you should find these miraculous postings that, one or two may seem worth buying, though have only been posted 2 weeks ago, at most. I certainly don't trust cars that have only 1 problem documented on CL, especially in NJ, because noting our history in buying cars off of CL, a mountain of problems would appear mere days after buying the car. Hazuki, Samantha, Billy, Dorothy and... well, Rei.
At least we know what Claire has been through, and are prepared to fix these problems.

I, on the other hand, have foolishly become attached to cars bought off of strangers, only to have to scrap or resell them in a single season.

Posted by: Master0fMadness Aug 26 2016, 01:03 PM
Thanks, Hannah. You put into words what I couldnt. I needed to post an update anyway.

I dropped the Bilstein concept, at least for this "round" of maintenance. Doing the math, it just didn't make sense to spend $600+ on struts, springs and mounts when I could get a full set of Quick-Struts for $360

So I bought a set of Quick-Struts for $360.

Cue up the LCD Soundsystem, because T H I S I S H A P P E N I N G


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Posted by: Nomake Wan Aug 26 2016, 02:58 PM
QUOTE (Hannah @ 2 hours, 22 minutes ago)
Funny, R63, that you should find these miraculous postings that, one or two may seem worth buying, though have only been posted 2 weeks ago, at most. I certainly don't trust cars that have only 1 problem documented on CL, especially in NJ, because noting our history in buying cars off of CL, a mountain of problems would appear mere days after buying the car. Hazuki, Samantha, Billy, Dorothy and... well, Rei.
At least we know what Claire has been through, and are prepared to fix these problems.

I, on the other hand, have foolishly become attached to cars bought off of strangers, only to have to scrap or resell them in a single season.

>implying that finding several listings posted ~2 weeks ago means that there were no listings in their category at any time in the past

It's called demonstrating a pattern. I'm sure he could've found more if he'd bothered to look harder, but showing five examples seemed to get the point across. Clearly it didn't get it across well enough.

I like how you are also indirectly asserting that you and he are wholly incapable of accurately assessing a used car for its flaws and making a decision that balances magnitude of problems with driveability and repair/maintenance cost.

That being the case, it's no wonder this project exists. As per all his projects I wish him well, but I'm not of the opinion that it was a good move.

Posted by: Master0fMadness Aug 26 2016, 03:24 PM
Maybe it's just the bad luck I have with buying used cars from strangers, but the last 10 in a row all had underlying issues I was oblivious to, even during the test drive/inspection.

Good decision or not, I'm moving forward with this.smile.gif

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Posted by: Hannah Aug 26 2016, 07:25 PM
Did I word everything wrong or am I just not worth shit? I know I said we buy cars that didn't have any problems until after we bought them. I just don't see how having shitty luck equates to being ignorant.
Whatever, this isn't my tgread, so I'll just see myself out. I don't belong here, anyway.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Aug 26 2016, 07:48 PM
Depends. For context, this thread is about a car where you know that it has so many problems that it's not even safe to drive, if it can even drive at all. Now, as for past vehicles, you're saying that 'luck' is why so many vehicles in your past had issues not long after you bought them, and that there were absolutely no warning signs that any of those issues existed prior to that point?

Like, hmm, I dunno...I seem to recall a certain brown Toyota that, the moment he drove it, he said had trouble keeping up with normal traffic. I, and I believe others, pointed out that the vehicle had no problem doing that when it was produced, and that therefore there is something incredibly wrong with the engine that should be looked into. Instead of following that recommendation, he decided to drive his not-able-to-keep-up-with-traffic vehicle five hours north to try to race it, and subsequently blew up the engine in the attempt.

Just something to think about.

EDIT: And besides, are you seriously going to argue that "we have shit luck with cars" is why rather than going for something on Craigslist that looked pretty good and could be worked out, you decided to purchase a vehicle that you knew was not at all roadworthy? Seems pretty asinine.

Posted by: Master0fMadness Aug 27 2016, 10:24 AM
Guys, this isn't the "dwell on the past and rub in Master's previous mistakes" thread. This is a build thread and I'd appreciate it if it was treated as such. smile.gif

Bottom line is this: engine is solid, makes no funny noises, passed the compression, combustion and leakdown tests and the chassis has absolutely no rot. Everything else can be repaired in 3-digit increments, so that's good enough for me.

Rear Quick-Struts arrived! They're... struts. Weight, construction, etc. All seems perfectly... adequate. Nothing cheap or premium about them. Mounts look pretty good as well. Less than ideal, but agreeable.

Now for the front Quick-Struts to arrive! ...on September 7th. =.=

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Posted by: Nomake Wan Aug 27 2016, 05:46 PM
Discussing why a build thread is focusing on a particular car in worse shape than other options for the same money is valid discussion, I would wager, but sure, let's drop it. As I've already said in my first post, I wish you luck with the build as I do with every build you've done.

Posted by: Master0fMadness Aug 27 2016, 06:00 PM
Oh, I need to mark my calendar.

I have a 'safe and roadworthy' goal set. It's a modest one, but one I'll fight with all of my will and conviction to meet.

Saturday, October 29th.

Why?

To drive to the Regular Car Reviews meet on the morning of the 30th.

In the meantime, I've found a gentleman who's a 'traveling' mechanic to do all 4 Quick-Struts for $200. If I'm feeling confident, I'll take a crack at them myself, but at least I can literally park my car at work, hand him the keys whenever he shows up, pay cash when it's done and I've test driven it on my break, and drive home without a gasser stance.

...Wait.

Shit.

The front sits like... 2 inches higher than the rear.

I adjusted the headlights with this stance.

That means they're going to be pointed directly down at the road when the car's sitting level. D'OH!

Oh well, 5 minutes with a co-worker's car and a Phillips head screwdriver can fix that. awesome.gif

Posted by: Master0fMadness Sep 2 2016, 10:23 AM
They're here!
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Sorry, no install pics. It's Hannah's birthday and I'd rather take her out than wrench on Claire, but here's a before photo:
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Posted by: Master0fMadness Sep 9 2016, 04:45 PM
Another paycheck, another improvement!

Here's a look at the T0RCHED springs. Check out those burned through sleeves!
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Fucking hell. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Here's the new ones installed!

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So hype to drive Claire home wub.gif mechanic had a hold up removing one of the old struts, so I'm still at the shop. Probably going to buy him some smokes for staying late. Guy's a trooper. He said today,and he's sticking to his word.

And yes, I know, the drums. Hey, one thing at a time, okay? Besides, one of the studs was missing and since changing those kinda sucks, I'll go all in for drums, shoes and wheel bearings and fix problems before they begin.

Right now I have to worry about that bit of antifreeze seeping down my oil pan, provided by a water pump leak.

Oh, did I mention the water pump is driven by the timing belt, and the f22b2 is an interference engine?

Yeah, the STEERING RACK BRO is going to have to wait a few more weeks. T_T

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Posted by: Master0fMadness Sep 11 2016, 07:42 AM
Here she sits right now:

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Stance: HELLASTOCK. I wouldn't have it any other way. :3

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Posted by: Sensation! Sep 11 2016, 05:55 PM
I like where this is going so far. I'm glad you're still trying to restore and maintain the car rather than modding it up and racing it. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Hannah Sep 13 2016, 10:54 AM
Keep it up! I can't wait to see everything on Claire back up to spec. smile.gif

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Posted by: Master0fMadness Sep 14 2016, 10:44 AM
QUOTE (Sensation! @ Sep 11 2016, 05:55 PM)
I like where this is going so far. I'm glad you're still trying to restore and maintain the car rather than modding it up and racing it. Keep up the good work.

That comes later. Much later. And between now and then, the budget I'll have saved for the "mods" and a full exterior restoration could buy me an R33 Skyline GTS25-T which will be legal by then, so... depending on whether or not I'll have a place to garage the Skyline, the work I have planned for the F22B2 might just be a simple rebuild.

Or it might be a TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLAR ENGINE REBUILD SOOOOOOOOOOOONN!

But that's well beyond in the future. Everything from the CV axles to cruise control to the window regulators and interior will be perfect before then. I'll probably throw on a Maaco-painted front bumper and zenki grille either way and still have a nice parts-runner.

The underbody is remarkably clean for the car's age. You'd think it was a mid Atlantic car.

Oh, by the way, the CV axles aren't what's making that whining. It's internal on the tranny. -siiigh-

Whatever. Just gotta keep my nose to the grindstone and continue doing work.

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Posted by: Lonely_Driver Sep 14 2016, 01:26 PM
My d16 tranny was making noise too. Solved it by switching too Redline MT-90

Then found out the throw out bearing was making noise as well awesome.gif

Posted by: Master0fMadness Oct 11 2016, 09:37 AM
So I came this close to selling my Accord back to its previous owner. He couldn't get someone to help him out with changing the lift bolts on his Celica GT-S, timing chain and tensioner and multiple garages wanted $1,400 to do it. He found someone willing to buy it for a ridiculous $2,800 and jumped on it. I said, give me a week to do the timing belt and water pump and for a G your old car is once again yours.


Then the next day, I get an MMS from him in possession of... are you ready for this? Remember: No job, can't afford cars with high repair bills;

A fucking B6 Audi A4. facepalm.gif facepalm.gif facepalm.gif facepalm.gif facepalm.gif facepalm.gif facepalm.gif facepalm.gif


I shall continue trucking on, in other words doing nothing until my other bills are squared away (check) and I've got the $350 or so to get a new timing belt, balance shaft, water pump, tensioners, valve cover gasket, plugs, rotor and cap. (wires are OK)

Also beginning to scope out trannies for Claire. Supposedly a Prelude Si tranny bolts right in, as the F and H engines have the same bolt pattern. LSD would be nice, but really I just don't want to lose all gears except 4 and 5.

Posted by: Sensation! Oct 11 2016, 09:54 AM
QUOTE (Master0fMadness @ 14 minutes, 46 seconds ago)
Then the next day, I get an MMS from him in possession of... are you ready for this? Remember: No job, can't afford cars with high repair bills;

A fucking B6 Audi A4. facepalm.gif  facepalm.gif  facepalm.gif  facepalm.gif  facepalm.gif  facepalm.gif  facepalm.gif  facepalm.gif


Now you know how you sound like to us sometimes..
Keep up the restoration. Imo, if you get the chance to sell it back to him, you should. Pick up something cheap, reliable, easy to tinker on, and in good shape for your next car.

It doesn't matter what you drive, how boring or uncool it may be to you or others. You're a car guy to me if you can appreciate what you drive.

Posted by: Hannah Oct 11 2016, 11:58 AM
give him some credit, willya? At least hes learning from his mistakes. better late than never.

i still stand by his decision to buy claire. he wouldnt do it unless I agreed to it.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Oct 11 2016, 12:21 PM
I only agree with the decision insofar as it's his decision to do what he wants with his life. The latest decision from this 'friend' proves that the original monetary transaction was complete and utter folly with no substance nor benefit. You now own a burned-out Honda wagon, which is the only thing that can be said about the transaction's outcome.

As always, best of luck.

(P.S. Around here, if you want the 60k service of timing belt, seals, oil/water pump, etc the whole shebang is around $1700 for a 4-banger. But that's a lot more than just swapping a belt/chain.)

Posted by: Master0fMadness Oct 23 2016, 06:48 PM
Fortunately, I know a traveling mechanic who quoted me at $250 for the timing belt, water pump, timing belt tensioner, balance shaft belt, valve cover gasket, spark plugs, cap and rotor (wires are OK) job.

Oh, and the timing kit itself, $100. cool.gif

What sucks is that I did run out of time for the RCR meet, payday is literally the Friday before the meet, but I'll leave my car at work and have a reliable winter beater by the time I return home.

At least Mr Regular once again gets to see the Blunderchicken! biggrin.gif

Edit: I also have access to a freshly rebuilt engine... but more on that later. ~_^

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Posted by: Master0fMadness Dec 28 2016, 01:31 PM
Well. This is embarrassing.

Claire is no longer mine.

Long story short, the PO's hand-me-down Mercury Milan had a heart attack and threw her rod on the way home from getting food. So I decided to give Claire back. Yes, I said give. Fucking deal with it. Ain't gonna let him be half homeless, broke -and- carless.
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I'll miss ya, girl. Try not to fuck Andrew over, he's been through enough shit this year.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 28 2016, 01:49 PM
The same PO who bought a Toyota Celica GT-S? That PO? shifty2.gif

I think there's a super fun story in the fact that a Mercury Milan is not a Celica GT-S. awesome.gif

Posted by: kyonpalm Dec 28 2016, 02:53 PM
QUOTE (Master0fMadness @ 1 hour, 17 minutes ago)
Well. This is embarrassing.

Claire is no longer mine.

Long story short, the PO's hand-me-down Mercury Milan had a heart attack and threw her rod on the way home from getting groceries. So I decided to give Claire back. Yes, I said give. Fucking deal with it. Ain't gonna let him be half homeless, broke -and- carless.
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I'll miss ya, girl. Try not to fuck Andrew over, he's been through enough shit this year.

What, may I ask, are you driving now?

QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 58 minutes, 46 seconds ago)
The same PO who bought a Toyota Celica GT-S? That PO? shifty2.gif

I think there's a super fun story in the fact that a Mercury Milan is not a Celica GT-S. awesome.gif

I dunno, I mean, they were both made by... humans on the same planet, so they're basically the same car.

Posted by: Master0fMadness Dec 28 2016, 07:43 PM
QUOTE (kyonpalm @ 4 hours, 49 minutes ago)
What, may I ask, are you driving now?

The E12 in front of it. Had that car since, like, may. Claire has always been my backup.

CRINGE WARNING: I named her Toriel.

In fact, I hate to admit this, but Claire has been spending the last two months sitting tagless at my work parking lot since I don't really have the funds to dump a fresh head - or the Prelude Si long block sitting in the back of my work next to the baler - or new steering rack - and I decided it was really stupid to spend an extra $100 a month paying to insure a car that never gets driven.

I mean, I've kind of thrown it out there I do Uber and Lift. Can't do that with a 20 year old car. ^-^;;


Hope that answers that.

Now then, Nomake... I hope you can keep up with this, because this is... quite wow-worthy:


-ZZT31 Celica GT-S owner trades GT-S for a B6 A4
-Owner gets squeamish about long term ownership when I spend an hour on the phone reaming him on 'German reliability', having not-so-pleasant first hand experience with a B4 myself
-Owner starts looking at other alternatives, offers car for sale on Craigslist
-Guy with a R53 Cooper S offers a trade, owner scoffs at it
-Owner's mother says 'Hey that Cooper looks nice, I want it'
-Owner asks what do I get in return?
-Mother offers her CD3 Milan V6 AWD in exchange for the R53 Cooper S. Family owned since new, 96,000 miles, maintenance record the size of a paperback novel - why not?
-Owner goes to R53 owner's house, exchanges B6 for R53 [incl. docs], gypsy tags R53, drives R53 home, gives R53 and title to mother, she gives him title and keys to CD3
-Few weeks pass, owner drives CD3 to Midwest Furfest, 1,500 mile round trip. Car performs flawlessly
-Owner goes on a DQ Chill & Grill run Monday night (you lucky bastard, all we have are Dairy Queens 'round here), cruising the posted limit on PA-33 during the ride home, hears a bang, oil light comes on a second later, smoke behind the car, pulls over, checks engine, hole in front bank

Edit: Oh yeah, on the fate of the ZZT31: that car also has a destroyed engine, hahaha. There was a rattle coming from the timing chain cover and we suspected the lift bolts, PO warned new owner 'don't get into lift until you change the lift bolts into the timing chain tensioner', new owner decides that means let's do a top speed run! Lift bolt snaps at 7,900 RPM, shit goes flying around the timing... area thing... chain dislodges itself, engine eats itself apart.

Thing is, that particular person is a PA state trooper and has like a 4 cylinder Camry or maybe a Malibu or some forgettable 4-door shit as a daily driver, and, you know, an income. He can afford to blow an engine and throw in a horrendously expensive 2ZZ-GE.

Guy who owns the Milan... no income, that car was his income. i.e. Uber.

Posted by: kyonpalm Dec 28 2016, 07:48 PM
QUOTE (Master0fMadness @ 4 minutes, 56 seconds ago)
The E12 in front of it. Had that car since, like, may. Claire has always been my backup.

CRINGE WARNING: I named her Toriel.

In fact, I hate to admit this, but Claire has been spending the last two months sitting tagless at my work parking lot since I don't really have the funds to dump a fresh head - or the Prelude Si long block sitting in the back of my work next to the baler - or new steering rack - and I decided it was really stupid to spend an extra $100 a month paying to insure a car that never gets driven.

I mean, I've kind of thrown it out there I do Uber and Lift. Can't do that with a 20 year old car. ^-^;;


Hope that answers that.

Now then, Nomake... I hope you can keep up with this, because this is... quite wow-worthy:


-ZZT31 Celica GT-S owner trades GT-S for a B6 A4
-Owner gets squeamish about long term ownership when I spend an hour on the phone reaming him on 'German reliability', having not-so-pleasant first hand experience with a B4 myself
-Owner starts looking at other alternatives, offers car for sale on Craigslist
-Guy with a R53 Cooper S offers a trade, owner scoffs at it
-Owner's mother says 'Hey that Cooper looks nice, I want it'
-Owner asks what do I get in return?
-Mother offers her CD3 Milan V6 AWD in exchange for the R53 Cooper S. Family owned since new, 96,000 miles, maintenance record the size of a paperback novel - why not?
-Owner goes to R53 owner's house, exchanges B6 for R53 [incl. docs], gypsy tags R53, drives R53 home, gives R53 and title to mother, she gives him title and keys to CD3
-Few weeks pass, owner drives CD3 to Midwest Furfest, 1,500 mile round trip. Car performs flawlessly
-Owner goes on a DQ Chill & Grill run Monday night (you lucky bastard, all we have are Dairy Queens 'round here), cruising the posted limit on PA-33 during the ride home, hears a bang, oil light comes on a second later, smoke behind the car, pulls over, checks engine, hole in front bank

I did say "wow" almost audibly more than one time reading this post.

Posted by: Master0fMadness Dec 28 2016, 07:55 PM
What kind of self-respecting Duratec V6 decides to just give up on life at a meager 2,000 RPM while not even having entered the realm of 6 digits?

I seriously expect better from Mazda... er Ford. Mazda? Ford? Forzda, Maord. The engine's an American-Japanese mutt, design wise.

Oh well. At least he has wheels.

Posted by: Sensation! Dec 28 2016, 10:03 PM
QUOTE (Master0fMadness @ 2 hours, 7 minutes ago)
What kind of self-respecting Duratec V6 decides to just give up on life at a meager 2,000 RPM while not even having entered the realm of 6 digits?

One that hasn't been maintained.
Fact is, that goes for any engine.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 29 2016, 12:30 AM
Agreed. Sounds like this guy is a real piece of work.

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Posted by: Sensation! Dec 29 2016, 01:19 AM
If he manages to catastrophically break the Accord Wagon later down the road, then I don't think he's a friend worth helping. You pretty much played free mechanic for him and hopefully, not for a demolition derby. I get the Christmas spirit and all, but I also get the feeling that this friendship isn't very mutual.

To each their own I guess.
I suppose I'll just fucking deal with it.

Posted by: Master0fMadness Dec 29 2016, 10:26 AM
QUOTE (Sensation! @ Yesterday, 10:03 PM)
One that hasn't been maintained.
Fact is, that goes for any engine.

Except this one was. Oil changed every 3k, in spite of the recommended interval being 5k. confused.gif

I will say this. If the timing belt goes, it'll boil down to nothing more than a lack of funds. We both know that this current belt had about 70k and the water pump has a small leak. >_<

If the tranny goes... I already knew it was going. If the power steering fails... you get the idea. This car still needs a lot of work to have true longevity... I'm just hoping she lasts long enough for the parents to get a new longblock into the Milan.

Posted by: Master0fMadness Mar 6 2017, 06:28 AM
YOUTUBE ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osjXaBVUZkM )

All I can say is, I totally forgot I left that can of Cutter in the car from our one late-summer trip down the shore.

Beyond that, I'm speechless.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Mar 6 2017, 06:44 AM
Welp, I know what I'm watching later today. Gotta see just how much of a dumpster fire that car is, hah.

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Posted by: BOZZ Mar 6 2017, 03:42 PM
QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 8 hours, 58 minutes ago)
Welp, I know what I'm watching later today. Gotta see just how much of a dumpster fire that car is, hah.

I haven't read this whole thread yet, but is it safe to assume that the Accord wagon in the RCR was previously owned by Master0fMadness?

Posted by: Master0fMadness Mar 6 2017, 04:42 PM
YYYYYEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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Posted by: Nomake Wan Mar 6 2017, 07:23 PM
Hah, it's funny how much he praised it without pointing out all the shit that was wrong with it. Those SOHC engines really are gutless, but he's right about typical Honda 'rev the shit out of them and keep going' design at least. And those transmissions are geared so ridiculously that even with a gutless motor they still feel fast.

RIP M0M's cameo though, totally cut out of the narrative. laugh2.gif

Posted by: Master0fMadness Mar 6 2017, 08:07 PM
I guess you haven't driven a CE1 then, because 1st gear takes you to like... 45-50. You can hit 80 in 2nd if you use the fuel cut as your shift point instead of the redline 0.o

Either way, very pleased with how this turned out. <3

And special shout out to that guy Mike for just randomly showing up when Mr. Regular had a no-show! happy.gif

Posted by: Nomake Wan Mar 6 2017, 08:24 PM
You know what I've driven. Or you should, anyway, since it's a fairly short list. Plus there's the fact that I have no clue what that chassis code is. So let's go with 'no' and stick with 'holy shit the final drive on the Integra is 4.266:1 what the hell'. laugh2.gif

Posted by: Master0fMadness Mar 7 2017, 05:46 PM
Yeah, in the Accord Wagon... 65MPH is 2,500 in top gear. So the gearing is actually about equal to a Legacy's :3

Very comfortable on the freeway.

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Posted by: Master0fMadness May 13 2017, 08:59 AM
Oh, look, the Celica didn't end up in the junkyard after all. Sounds good breh.
YOUTUBE ( https://youtu.be/r9FDFiSP3gE )


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Posted by: Master0fMadness Mar 28 2018, 10:48 PM
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The story isn't over.

Thank you Mike for taking such good care of her. I sincerely appreciate it. I also am thankful for selling her back dirt cheap.

Not much is going to happen in the immediate future since Vanessa (Hannah's Civic) needs more love more seriously, but I just...

...Nng... maybe a year plus of owning a Prius has skewed my opinion of how fun Claire really is, but 20 seconds into the test drive and I was like h'awwwwwww yeahhhhhhh.

Long term plan?

Install a radio (there currently isn't one)

Fix the body

Fix the wiring in the door

H22 swap + tranny rebuild

Maybe mod later, but the F22 has lost a bit of power and I think it's just compression going in one of the cylinders. She's now up to 250,000 miles.

But dammit, she's mine - once again. It is SOOOOO good to have her back.

EDIT DID I MENTION SHE STILL HAD THAT CAN OF CUTTER IN HER LOL

Posted by: Hannah Mar 29 2018, 11:26 AM
Um, ok. First off, it's MY car. You're just sourcing me parts and supervising my first couple of drives.

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Posted by: Master0fMadness Mar 29 2018, 01:17 PM
Hey, she’s a shared car but most of the money for the work is coming outta -my- pocket.

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Posted by: Sensation! Mar 29 2018, 04:41 PM
QUOTE (Master0fMadness @ Yesterday, 11:48 PM)
since Vanessa (Hannah's Civic)

>Vanessa
>Not a Van




You two had one job.




Posted by: kyonpalm Mar 29 2018, 04:43 PM
You each had half a job.

Posted by: Master0fMadness Mar 29 2018, 04:54 PM
We had a van; his name was Billy. xP

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Posted by: Spaz Mar 29 2018, 06:17 PM
QUOTE (Sensation! @ 1 hour, 35 minutes ago)
>Vanessa
>Not a Van




You two had one job.

LOL!

Vans can also be Tony though... For Tony Vanza.

Posted by: Master0fMadness Mar 29 2018, 06:53 PM
QUOTE (kyonpalm @ 2 hours, 9 minutes ago)
You each had half a job.

And this thing was on half its wheels when I drifted it.
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Posted by: Nomake Wan Mar 30 2018, 02:43 PM
QUOTE (Hannah @ Yesterday, 11:26 AM)
Um, ok. First off, it's MY car. You're just sourcing me parts and supervising my first couple of drives.

QUOTE (Master0fMadness @ Yesterday, 1:17 PM)
Hey, she’s a shared car but most of the money for the work is coming outta -my- pocket.

JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! laugh2.gif

Posted by: xiao Apr 1 2018, 12:28 PM
QUOTE (Spaz @ Mar 29 2018, 08:17 PM)
LOL!

Vans can also be Tony though... For Tony Vanza.

.. that's why you're the dad of IDW Spaz laugh.gif

Posted by: Spaz Apr 2 2018, 04:00 PM
QUOTE (Master0fMadness @ Mar 29 2018, 09:53 PM)
And this thing was on half its wheels when I drifted it.
https://i.imgur.com/8FZ7jz3.jpg

That's cute.

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Posted by: Master0fMadness Apr 8 2018, 02:12 PM
Showoff...

Well, there won't be any major updates for the time being.

It's a matter of saving before spending.

Found out the timing belt and water pump were done recently too, so that's nice.

Just gotta get the trans rebuilt in the not-too-distant-future.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 9 2018, 05:45 AM
Is it really cheaper to rebuild than to replace?

Posted by: Tessou Apr 9 2018, 10:21 AM
Wondrous logic for the vehicle in question. I can't wait to see the invoice.

Posted by: Master0fMadness Apr 10 2018, 06:44 PM
No idea Nomake, but I don't want to take a chance on a used "JDM" transmission.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 11 2018, 08:34 AM
Honda transmissions are pretty bulletproof at stock power levels, and imported transmissions generally haven't been abused as badly as local ones. If the cost difference between rebuilding and replacing is significant, I would personally go with replacing instead.

Posted by: kyonpalm Apr 11 2018, 01:24 PM
QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 4 hours, 50 minutes ago)
Honda transmissions are pretty bulletproof at stock power levels

Unless it's a BAXA or B7XA, the WD Green of slushboxes.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 11 2018, 05:58 PM
QUOTE (kyonpalm @ 4 hours, 33 minutes ago)
Unless it's a BAXA or B7XA, the WD Green of slushboxes.

Rofl, I was referring to their manuals. Though the automatics on B-series engines are basically manual transmissions inside so they're good too. RIP those two though.

Posted by: kyonpalm Apr 12 2018, 04:24 PM
QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ Yesterday, 9:58 PM)
Though the automatics on B-series engines are basically manual transmissions inside so they're good too.

Funnily enough, it's the same with the J-series engines, which got - you guessed it - BAXAs and B7XAs. What killed them was Honda's attempt at fixing their "automatic manuals"' penchant for shifting a bit more harshly than traditional autos by designing them to partially engage the next gear a bit before the actual shift, which made shifts smoother but naturally ate the shit out of the clutch packs, resulting in the infamous recall of that era (which they never actually fixed).

This also disproves the old rumor that it was only the V6s that had tranny issues, as the I4s had them too.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 12 2018, 05:47 PM
Wow that's dumb. I love how my dad's Integra shifts. Then again it's a sports car so I guess I can see why their typical high-end clientele might have had an issue with it...

Posted by: Master0fMadness Apr 14 2018, 10:39 AM
Oh, so that explains why Vanessa shifts like someone drained out the OEM fluid and filled it with Type F, barking “SEND IT!” with a Natty Ice in their hand.

I don’t mind the somewhat rougher shifts of the d16’s auto box.

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Posted by: Master0fMadness Apr 23 2018, 09:10 AM
Slight change of plans.

We found out Vanessa is going to cost $2,500 just to fix the nose and well... eff that.

So Hanna’s gonna daily drive Claire for the time being.

Yesterday was essentially her first time driving MT. Stalled her only once. Didn’t grind. Starts are herky jerky and sometimes chirpy but I believe she’ll get better as time passes happy.gif

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