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Hachi-Roku | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 02:05 PM |
Unregistered | When Ryousuke was racing Takumi in the 1st stage, why didn't he try to use the ditch technique that Takumi uses? Ryousuke knew that he had lost the traction in his front tires so why not give it a shot since he already knew about it (he had pointed out Takumi's gutter trick after the official race between Keisuke and Takumi)? The best explanation I can think of is A) He was being pressured mentally to win against Takumi and B ) That it was a dangerous technique unless practiced beforehand. I can understand about reason A, but for reason B I would think Ryousuke would have tried out the ditch turning so as to be absolutely prepared against Takumi. |
S15-guy | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 02:27 PM |
dampachi! Group: Advanced Members Posts: 4,164 Member No.: 177 Joined: Jan 10th 2003 Location: Adelaide, South Australia | good point, but if my memory serves me right, there were TWO methods of using the ditch on Akina, Ryousuke had only seen one fo those. |
Hachi-Roku | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 02:30 PM | ||
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Yes, there are two. But what I'm trying to say is that if Ryousuke knew his front tires had lost traction why didn't he try out either of the drift techniques (even if he only knew of one) to cope for the traction loss? | ||
S15-guy | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 02:32 PM |
dampachi! Group: Advanced Members Posts: 4,164 Member No.: 177 Joined: Jan 10th 2003 Location: Adelaide, South Australia | ummmm.... i dunno, u got a very good point |
Jayson | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 02:57 PM |
IDW Posts A Freaking LOT Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 10,554 Member No.: 32 Joined: Sep 26th 2002 Location: Orlando, FL | Not his racing style? |
]{aya | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 03:03 PM | ||||
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if I remember, Ryosuke said : even if my tires get worn out my skills won't be affected ...so i guess thats ONE reason why he didnt use it ...secondly you have to know HOW (im pretty sure Ryosuke knows) and WHEN to get your inner tires into the gutter, this require practice in other words : Takumi knows when because like is father Bunta said one time : He's dumd but he has good physical responses, thats why he could use the ditch tech. against Kai Kogashiwa at Iro...(sp?)... so Takumi has good physical responses and Ryosuke logical thinking compensate a bit... | ||||
citysoldier | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 03:05 PM |
Unregistered | Ryousuke said it cant be done by just anyone if im correct |
]{aya | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 03:07 PM |
Old HOT PINK Schmuck Group: Advanced Members Posts: 841 Member No.: 47 Joined: Oct 16th 2002 Location: Montréal, Québec | thats why i was talking about timing and practice ...read .... |
Jayson | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 03:07 PM |
IDW Posts A Freaking LOT Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 10,554 Member No.: 32 Joined: Sep 26th 2002 Location: Orlando, FL | Can only be done by some one who's driven this road 100 times. I think thats what he said |
Guest | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 03:10 PM | ||
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sorry u posted b4 me while i was posting my message(didnt see yours) | ||
Jayson | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 03:11 PM |
IDW Posts A Freaking LOT Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 10,554 Member No.: 32 Joined: Sep 26th 2002 Location: Orlando, FL | no worries |
]{aya | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 03:12 PM |
Old HOT PINK Schmuck Group: Advanced Members Posts: 841 Member No.: 47 Joined: Oct 16th 2002 Location: Montréal, Québec | happens all the time ...no problem ! |
Jayson | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 03:21 PM |
IDW Posts A Freaking LOT Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 10,554 Member No.: 32 Joined: Sep 26th 2002 Location: Orlando, FL | yup yup |
S15-guy | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 03:46 PM |
dampachi! Group: Advanced Members Posts: 4,164 Member No.: 177 Joined: Jan 10th 2003 Location: Adelaide, South Australia | but surely he would suspect that takumi would pull it off and factor it in to his 'winning simulation' |
Gearhead | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 03:50 PM |
IDW Prime Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 895 Member No.: 211 Joined: Jan 25th 2003 Location: Texas | The gutter technique would have been too hard for Ryosuke to do. It would take many dozens of times just to get the timing right. Ryosuke drove Akina a few times, but he wouldn't have had that kind of practice time to work on the gutter technique. Additionally, Akagi apparently doesn't have the same gutters, so Ryosuke wouldn't have been able to practice at home, either. |
Jayson | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 04:11 PM | ||
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I'm sure he did, but when Takumi botched up earlier, that also wasn't in his winning simulation either | ||
S15-guy | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 04:12 PM |
dampachi! Group: Advanced Members Posts: 4,164 Member No.: 177 Joined: Jan 10th 2003 Location: Adelaide, South Australia | i see, maybe if Takumi didnt screw up, he would have won |
Jayson | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 04:14 PM |
IDW Posts A Freaking LOT Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 10,554 Member No.: 32 Joined: Sep 26th 2002 Location: Orlando, FL | Guess we'll never know now |
Hachi-Roku | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 04:34 PM |
Unregistered | We also never get to know who won between the two in the 3rd stage movie |
bunta_boi | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 04:36 PM |
Billy Jean is not my lover ... Group: Advanced Members Posts: 586 Member No.: 68 Joined: Nov 1st 2002 Location: Update Profile | it was my conception that Takumi never did his 'Gutter run-part 2' ever, either. he said something like: "I've never done it before but I'm gonna have to take that risk!"...well, something to that extent... |
S15-guy | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 04:38 PM |
dampachi! Group: Advanced Members Posts: 4,164 Member No.: 177 Joined: Jan 10th 2003 Location: Adelaide, South Australia | valid point, but takumi is like a god, remember how he just got into the silvia, and drifited it? And how Bunta changed the suspension settings without telling him and he adapted. Its like he has some form of supernatural perception when behind the wheel |
Betrayed | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 10:33 PM |
Unregistered | Takumi isnt a god, he just has the reflexes and adaptability that comes with youth. I can beat my dad with reactions and keeping a car from sipnning any day, but he can beat me in a timed race, where skill, not reations and adaptability factors into(unless we're both in a completely new car, on a corse we've never driven). Also, once you learn how to drive in one car, any other car of the same basic layout is preety easy to get use to. Example, I learned how to drive my dads camaro SS(which is what we race) and leaned how to push it to the edge(basically how to go thugh a turn at the edge of drifting/spinnig). Then I stepped into my v6 firebird. One day i was going to lunch(a long time ago, before i knew about drifting, intial d, or anything else of the sort) with my friends in the car, i came into a turn to fast. The back end came out, and i ended up doing a perfect drift, as i knew exactly how to recover. Now this wpuld have been similair to the Takumi driving his tuned 86 and then the 85. 2 years later, i get an RX7 FC. I had been stuck driving a cavalier Z24(front wheel drive ) and I hadent really been racing with my dad as much. in less than 2 days(more than takumi's 30 sec in a silvia, but bear with me) and i had it goin sideways. It was far diffrent than a f-body i was used to. Its shorter, less power, and the biggest factor, absolutly no power steering. Yet i could adapt to it very quicky. Then about two weeks later, my friend buys a Toyota corolla SR5(basically a 85) We find a big open parking lot, and he picks out some points for me to drive around while he stands to the side(he has no conception of how to get sideways, he can barely drive a manual, which is what this car, as well as every car should be, is). 1st try, I get it to go sideways. I was suprised how diffrent it was once again, but my reflexes coped with the change quickly. In conclusion, its takumis youth, and driving style of driving with instincts that allow him and the car to be one. He does not posess any supernatural perseption, just alot of practice, and the benifits of being young. PS: sorry about gettin off the subject. I hoped that proves my point though. |
S15-guy | Posted: Feb 8 2003, 10:44 PM |
dampachi! Group: Advanced Members Posts: 4,164 Member No.: 177 Joined: Jan 10th 2003 Location: Adelaide, South Australia | okay, what i m saying is that takumi is an incredible drive, he raced against many surerior cars on unfamiliar tracks, in the wet, in Itsuki's 85 and with the different suspension settings, what im saying is that he adapts amost instantly to these things, where as normal people would take some practice |
|[ .tainted. ]| | Posted: Feb 9 2003, 08:51 AM | ||
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nobody drifts at the range of 1-5 cm off the guardrail. and about youth, bunta can beat takumi beyond any doubt, so it's not in the matter of youth reflexes. and as s-15 said, takumi has super high adaptability and instincts to everything, drifting w/ a totally different setting and managing to do it flawlessly, and driving the silvia and knowing how to drive it perfectly after only three turns... he also does the turns in akina so consistently in every race [with the exception of ryosuke]... but i suppose it's all part of it being an anime... | ||
|[ .tainted. ]| | Posted: Feb 9 2003, 10:11 AM |
IDforum OG member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,156 Member No.: 141 Joined: Dec 11th 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada | oh and not to mention drifting w/o spilling the water out of a paper cup... |
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