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> [Xbox One & PS4] Next Gen consoles , how are you liking them?
 
What do you like the most so far?
Playstation 4 [ 10 ]  [66.67%]
Xbox One [ 5 ]  [33.33%]
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Nomake Wan
Posted on Dec 10 2013, 07:58 AM


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So when I'm running Xbone and PS4 in a virtual machine, then can PC get added to this poll and become the default winning answer? tongue.gif
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QUOTE (Mr Deap @ Today, 1:49 AM)
--->>>As long as you don't hack & run legit legal software it will run flawlessly with simplicity like a console.<<<---

[citation needed]

Also,
>no search bar containing "gay sex with hats"
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QUOTE (Mr Deap @ Yesterday, 5:49 PM)
--->>>As long as you don't hack & run legit legal software it will run flawlessly with simplicity like a console.<<<---

If you see people having so much issue with their Windows PC is mainly due because they are doing something not legit with it.

So, you've never worked a tech job in your life. Gotcha.
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Gotta say I'm on their side. I see computers sometimes that I cannot fathom why they run as poorly as they do. It always makes me wonder why I have computers that last a decade yet some random dude can't keep his rig running for two years without a sharp drop in performance.

My Mini 311 is still alive, kicking and snappy. Why the heck are there old Dell desktops with technically superior hardware running the exact same OS that are so slow they're barely unuseable? Boggles the mind.

Before you say anything, no, 'malware/viruses' is not the correct answer to my rhetorical question. wink2.gif

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QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ Dec 10 2013, 07:58 AM)
So when I'm running Xbone and PS4 in a virtual machine, then can PC get added to this poll and become the default winning answer? tongue.gif

I'm still waiting for a PS3/360 emulator.
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QUOTE (Lupin_III @ 2 hours, 40 minutes ago)
I'm still waiting for a PS3/360 emulator.

Significantly more difficult because they're on a completely different archetecture from a PC, so you need somewhere around 3 or 4 times the original power of the console to do it right to account for the call translations. That's why it took so long to get a PS2 and PSP emulator that worked well. Note that the Vita doesn't have one yet either...

An Xbone or PS4 are both x86 though, so the calls made are pretty much the same as a computer. Thus my comment about virtualization. wink2.gif

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@Nomake Wan

Then how come there isn't a decent xbox emulator? even though the original xbox had a pentium 3 32-bit processor. It does not guarantee that even if it shares similar architecture there'll be an emulator for it right away. Some say it's the gpu in xbox that's hard to emulate though, still, no guaranties of a decent emulator no matter how very similar the architecture is. You'd still need people who want to make an emulator for it.

Also PS4 has 8gb gddr5, is there a hardware equivalent in pc that has that much gddr5? most probably there will be soon or if there is I'll probably bet its currently expensive.

In my opinion PC and consoles should not be compared mainly because of the huge price difference and their convenience in doing a specific task. It's like arguing why buy a blu-ray player when you can buy a PC with a blu-ray drive on it and it can do a whole lot more?

Don't get me wrong though, I myself wished all games are available on PC so I'll just build myself a gaming PC and play anything I want. I'm okay with configuring hardware, drivers and settings to play a game nicely on PC. smile.gif
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QUOTE (nivek @ 40 minutes, 2 seconds ago)
1.) Then how come there isn't a decent xbox emulator? even though the original xbox had a pentium 3 32-bit processor. It does not guarantee that even if it shares similar architecture there'll be an emulator for it right away. Some say it's the gpu in xbox that's hard to emulate though, still, no guaranties of a decent emulator no matter how very similar the architecture is. You'd still need people who want to make an emulator for it.

2.) Also PS4 has 8gb gddr5, is there a hardware equivalent in pc that has that much gddr5? most probably there will be soon or if there is I'll probably bet its currently expensive.

3.) In my opinion PC and consoles should not be compared mainly because of the huge price difference and their convenience in doing a specific task. It's like arguing why buy a blu-ray player when you can buy a PC with a blu-ray drive on it and it can do a whole lot more?

1.) Well apparently the answer is here but it should be noted that this is worlds different from what people are saying about the Xbone and PS4. Rather than using a bunch of proprietary nonsense on the peripheral systems (video encoder AND a specialty nVidia soundcard? LOL!), these systems appear to follow a more 'traditional' construction. Thus the hopefulness that someone will jailbreak and then port these systems.

2.) Besides graphics cards? Not that I'm aware. Are we sure that games are actually using the full frame buffer? Or did you conveniently forget that the graphics RAM is just the frame buffer size? wink2.gif

3.) Why buy a bluray player when a PS3 is the same price and does more? But I digress. In some cases I will agree... for instance, the aforementioned PS3. But you don't see me dragging my PS2 or Dreamcast out to play them. Nor am I dragging out my N64 or Wii. Heck, even my PSP has become a dust magnet on my desk as of late. You know why? Because PCs just plain run all those systems better. Why play them on the original console when they run faster and prettier on my PC... and can be played online? Emulation is king. Virtualization is the future. Hug your little console all you want, I'mma laugh all the way to the bank. troll.gif
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2.) True that the games does not use all of it, I've read somewhere games can use around half of it. Still it is pretty much a huge amount for now.

3.) I think you missed my point, I was referring to you guys comparing a modern PC to a modern console, NOT a modern PC to an OLD console facepalm.gif . Of course it's a no-brainer that your current computer will emulate those very old consoles and even enhance it because of the huge technology gap.

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We shall see, nivek. At this point my bank's probably pretty tired of that shit-eating grin I wear every time I walk in. awesome.gif
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QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 9 hours, 19 minutes ago)

3.) Why buy a bluray player when a PS3 is the same price and does more? But I digress. In some cases I will agree... for instance, the aforementioned PS3. But you don't see me dragging my PS2 or Dreamcast out to play them. Nor am I dragging out my N64 or Wii. Heck, even my PSP has become a dust magnet on my desk as of late. You know why? Because PCs just plain run all those systems better. Why play them on the original console when they run faster and prettier on my PC... and can be played online? Emulation is king. Virtualization is the future. Hug your little console all you want, I'mma laugh all the way to the bank. troll.gif

I still like to take out my PSX and or PS2 every once in awhile to play the classics. It's more of a nostalgia thing though. Anything else that I may not currently possess, I go right to an emulator.
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QUOTE (RalliKai @ 1 hour, 31 minutes ago)
I still like to take out my PSX and or PS2 every once in awhile to play the classics. It's more of a nostalgia thing though. Anything else that I may not currently possess, I go right to an emulator.

Though I don't have those consoles, I feel the same way. There's an element of physical experience using the original console hooked up to your screen you can never emulate on a PC. Laugh to the bank all you want, there will still be a market for people who appreciate the little things like that. This is, for me, like the argument "why buy vinyl when you can just get an iPod?" The difference there is more exaggerated but the point is still that it's just not the same. Some people value their playing experience more than others, I guess. wink2.gif
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The vinyl thing isn't really fair, though--that's completely different formats. Analog versus (compressed) digital. Whipping out a PSX or PS2 when the emulator can do every single thing the original console can except better (and the controllers can be used on a PC too with an adapter) is...just plain weird. There's no difference in the game except that the PS2 outputs analog video and your emulator outputs nice, clean, antialiased and filtered textures.

...Unless you honestly want to suggest that staring at composite video is part of the 'experience' and can never be replaced by emulation? facepalm.gif
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QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 19 minutes, 37 seconds ago)
The vinyl thing isn't really fair, though--that's completely different formats. Analog versus (compressed) digital. Whipping out a PSX or PS2 when the emulator can do every single thing the original console can except better (and the controllers can be used on a PC too with an adapter) is...just plain weird. There's no difference in the game except that the PS2 outputs analog video and your emulator outputs nice, clean, antialiased and filtered textures.

...Unless you honestly want to suggest that staring at composite video is part of the 'experience' and can never be replaced by emulation? facepalm.gif

I'm not talking about the actual content's format. I'm talking about the playing experience. Sorry if that wasn't clear, I thought I made it so.
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From my point of view, the PC Final Fantasy 7 looks better but I still tend to enjoy the experience more when I'm using my television and playstation over a computer monitor despite the pixel downgrade. There are games I tend to prefer to play on console over PC and vice versa. A console won't provide nearly the same experience on some games I play, particularly on depth but other games (platformers, older JRPGs,) I just enjoy more with my console gaming setup.
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So actually with this whole similar architecture thing going on, I guess the reverse could also happen meaning more PC games could be ported to Xbone and PS4, well something that machinima posted on their youtube:

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I know there's no guarantee that games will be ported, that still remains to be seen, but the possibility is there, and you can pretty much plug a mouse and a keyboard through the usb ports if needed. Console supports them.

But like I said, I think it's not reasonable to compare PC to console just because both play high-end games, PS4 costs $400 while a gaming PC I believe will cost you $750 or more, which is near double the price of a PS4. (you can build a $400 PC but it won't match the hardware of the current console and might not even last as newer PC games most of the time have higher requirements.)

Gaming PCs are in a different league because it can also be used as a workstation, but it's also in a different price point compared to consoles.

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