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> Lets talk about what FFs can do..., Leave the drift debate at the door.
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Posted: Feb 27 2004, 11:55 PM


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Hey peeps, new guy here, I've always been one for running my 2nd Gen CRX around the mountain passes, mainly on raw skill, and balls, but no full on technique to be honest, it was interesting to read these posts. The other FF's I run cant keep up, not that the ones I've run against are superbly quick.

Couple of q's though, why can i outrun Teg type-r's at high speeds? (And a few guys I know say their teg type-r's lose to 206 GTi's at speed too, which I also beat)

Who makes a good clutch plate???

What are some non showy ways for flat out speed through corners other than pure grip driving??
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Posted: Feb 28 2004, 06:19 AM


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Too many pages so i dont know if its in here, But actually the sr5 IS the AE86 here in america, and the Corolla GTS is ae88
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CRX are great cars, even by today's standard. They are light, well ballanced and can beat more powerful cars since they don't need as much effort to accelerate and corners.

Many newer cars suffer from extra weight. They are more powerful, yes, but have plenty of new gadgets, options and safety thingys and emission reduction hardware that end up slowing them down and adding a lot of extra weight. So in the end, many older cars, even if low in hps can outrun them, or at least beat them in early acceleration.

Btw Slave, does your car has any mods or missing parts? Why missing parts? Well you can shave weight that way, or if emission parts are removed, can get some extra power. In my case my catalyser is gone, and many non essential parts are gone from my old Accord... I can get some great acceleration from it, more than you can expect from a old 3rd gen running with a carburator. Sadly i can't make it go over 180 km/h...

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What are some non showy ways for flat out speed through corners other than pure grip driving??


Brake slide, lift off oversteer, feinting, left foot braking... I personnaly never use my hand brake in corners, i just don't trust it for it (my rear brakes are drums and don't seem to lock too well), so i rely on many other techniques. My favorites ones are mini-feinting and left foot braking, and sometimes do a braking slide. Oh yeah, there is also tucking-in, but that one i haven't mastered it (work better with high grip tyres though).
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Posted: Feb 28 2004, 07:19 AM


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I actually wanted a crx myself for a first car, but im changing my mind now. the more i weigh the options the more advantages i see in a fr layout. as for what you said about weight its not really all that crucial. Problem with crx is the best engine (Well, honda engine anywyas) you cn put into it is a b16a engine obviously, and though it is the best horsepower in its size it has its limits. Still a great car in my oponion just pointing it out



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Weight matter a lot, you'll see. My guess is you haven't driven much...

Anyway, weight matter a lot. Heavy cars need a lot more power to accelerate, but it isn't a great issue. Where weight have the most disadvantage is in braking and cornering. More weight means you need more grippy tyres to do the same as a lighter car, also means a lot more wear on tyres, engine, suspension, brakes etc.

The CRX don't have any real problem. Just like any other car, all depend on how much money you want to throw at it. It also depend what you want it to be: a drag car, a cornering machine, a week-end car or a daily driver... If you want a car to be used all year long, a CRX would be a good choice.

A FR isn't that good in winter or in the rain, and no good in dirt.

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Posted: Feb 28 2004, 09:24 AM


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Fr no good in dirt? Man... thats why the corolla gts won 6 rally races when it came out sad.gif As for weight yes its an issue but not a big issue, reason why? Heavier cars NORMALLY have more horses anyways, and on top of this they potential for more horses. the crx's downside is it is ff plain and simple.
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actually RWD isn't good in limited traction situations. the ass-end likes to swing out, usually resulting in accidents. the last Corrolla i saw in WRC was AWD. i don't think there's many RWD cars in Rallying nowadays.
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Just pointing out. Its what the corolla gts was designed to do, and it did it well.
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QUOTE (sidewaysgts @ Feb 28 2004, 09:22 AM)
Fr no good in dirt? Man... thats why the corolla gts won 6 rally races when it came out sad.gif  As for weight yes its an issue but not a big issue, reason why?  Heavier cars NORMALLY have more horses anyways, and on top of this they potential for more horses. the crx's downside is it is ff plain and simple.

Ok, maybe "no good" isn't the right way to say it. Yet FR struggle more in dirt that FF or AWD. And yes, some cars are better than other at thoses things. And last, FF isn't a downside. Just take the old MINI, it was FF and won many rallies ; it wasn't fast, but cornered so well...

One last thing : this thread isn't about debating if FF can stand to FR or if it's better, it's about what they CAN do. You don't need to try to convince anyone here, especially when this forum is already pro FR to start with (especially pro FD).

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Yeah, i always find it easy to throw the CRX through corners due to the weight and its a well balanced car. I've never been able to step a car out beyond 90 degrees and get it back besides my CRX (downward slope, low speed) but still, do that with any other car. My mate has a 12 second 180SX and its an ex Jap comp drifter, on tight roads, I flog him, the CRX just chews too many tight corners too easily.
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Posted: Feb 29 2004, 12:17 AM


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hes just got too much power, works to his disadvantage. maybe i shold consider getting a crx again... I just find FR to be a little more fun to drive. haha i can get an ae88 and crx together maybe.. both are fairly cheap cars.
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Posted: Feb 29 2004, 12:30 AM


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ae86 refers to both the 1985 corolla gts and the sr5...

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Correction, Sr5 is the ae86, corolla gts is the ae88.

> VIN NUMBERS!<

As stated- most people i knew of went by the vin at this time! this was before i was into initial d and chassis codes were new to me

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http://forums.club4ag.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=62236

You should frequent this site a bit more.
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Cars mods = exhaust, fully reconditioned engine, rebuilt and strengthened gear box, intake. Looking to install cams/cam gears and new valve springs after July. (Going to America in July so need to save the cash.)

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Posted: Feb 29 2004, 03:35 PM


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Bad post and dumb post- ignore me laugh.gif

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actually they do have a considerable amount of handling thoough at high speeds they experience a good bit of understeer, but theres ways to cope with it
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ae86 refers to the chasis, not the vin number...
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People i know by go by the vin tho not the chasis (not just these cars either)- if your going by the chasis then the sr5 and gts both use the 86 chasis. The ae85 was never offered in america and used a 3a-u engine didnt it? initial d fans mostly know it was SOHC
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QUOTE (sidewaysgts @ Feb 28 2004, 06:19 AM)
Too many pages so i dont know if its in here, But actually the sr5 IS the AE86 here in america, and the Corolla GTS is ae88

AE86 for the SR5 and AE88 for the GTS are the VIN numbers, the chassis codes are still AE86 and AE85.
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Actually the sr5 has the ae86 chassis as does the GTS. The only places youll really find the "ae85" chassis are japan and a FEW other countries. Many though were given the ae86 chassis for both vehicles.

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those posts are VERY old, and i had JUST gotten into initial d. Many people i knew and talked to refered to the cars via their VIN numbers, and chassis codes was a new thing to me.

But you are correct- ae86 is found in the SR5 (or sr85 as i joking call it) and ae88 is found in the vin of the Gts

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VIN numbers are chassis codes..

FC33, FC32, FC3X, FC3S....
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yaaa but not always. The vin number in my corolla gts for example is Ae88, and to the left a bit youll find the chassis code etched in to the firewall- Ae86 (confused me for a bit until i learned more about it)
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i had the same problem on my first 86, i was like AE88??? then looked to the left and saw the good ole AE86, you got any pics of your 86?
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the "cockpit" as i like to call it (though.. it doesnt feel like one, liek the FD does cool.gif but i can pretend wink2.gif )

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Also note i no longer use the trd shifter that much- I prefer the feel of the stock shift knob..man i got 3 shift knobs, Ricer: Trd: Stock cool.gif

It came with the trd and stock one (thankfully) and the "ricer" one was a gift.. its kinda cool cuz it like changes colors and crap... its so rice- but so interesting i cant help but love it.. if only i didnt live in a desert where it reaches over 100 and if only it wasnt metal. oh well winter is here now...

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