Close Topic Options

I looked up search on some of these but couldn't find much. 4agze are supercharged right? Is 4age the gt-s motor? What car had the 3sge? thanks

This post has been edited by TaksPandaHatch on Oct 3 2005, 09:22 PM

yeah the 4agze was the supercharged version that came in SC mr2's and the ae92's.
3sge's I believe came in a few cars. Only one I can think of atm is the toyota altezza

3sge came in mr2's in turbo form (3sgte) and NA is japan only i think, altezza has the beams 3sge, with double vvt (most powerful NA in stock trim), celica gt4's (3 gens i think) had the 3sgte, and the gt500 supras use 3sgte's, thats all i know

1st Gen 3S-GE (TVIS) = ST162 Celica GT-R
2nd Gen 3S-GE (TVIS) = Early Model MKII MR2, ST183 Celica GT-R
3rd Gen 32-GE (Some VVT-i) = Late Model MKII MR2, ST202 Celica SS-I/II/III
4th Gen 3S-GE (VVT-i) = "IS200" Altezza, Late Model MKII MR2
4th Gen BEAMS 3S-GE (VVT-i) = Limited production late model MKII MR2's and early model Altezzas

I had 2 crappy Celicas, I wanted a BEAMS 3SGE bad, but could never afford it. NOTHING sounds like a BEAMS 3SGE with ITB's...

This post has been edited by Malicious on Oct 3 2005, 09:50 PM

isnt it D-VVT-i? for dual as in VVT-i on the intake and exhaust cams? Yes the engine does sound nice with ITB's but they cost an arm and a leg but do give a great power output once the engine is moddified.

This post has been edited by AETRAN86 on Oct 4 2005, 07:44 AM

"D VVT-i" is only on select economy cars made my Toyota and Daihatsu. It's similar to the old VTEC-E Honda used on the Vx model EG's, stickly for fuel economy.

In all reality, a "stock" BEAMS 3SGE doesn't even hold a candle to a B18C5. There's next to no market for the 3SGE. TODA had discontinued thier line of valve-train parts a LONG time ago, HKS I think still offers a 254/264 camset, Top Fuel offers a turbokit, and I think you can still get the ITB velocity stacks from TRD Japan. It'd be a dope motor to have and build up, but a BEAMS would be a pain to maintain. Seeing as how in the US we only got the 1st Gen 3SGE, which pretty much nothing from that motor is useable on a 4th Gen let alone a BEAMS. The BEAMS also uses special coil-packs like an CA18/SR20 does, but they're rare and ordering them new requires a pricey special order from Japan. Not even the 1st/2nd Gen alternators will switch over to a 3rd/4th Gen 3SGE. It was a nice motor, but it never got the support it needed to realize its full potential. And the 2ZZ-GE, that's just a big f**kin' joke of a motor. Toyota hasn't come out with a new quality "tuner" motor in over 10 years. I've pretty much just given up on em...

This post has been edited by Malicious on Oct 4 2005, 09:43 AM

the JDM K20A from a DC5 ITR has 220 hp/2.0L and thats better than a porche 911
the K20A2 is 200hp/2.0
K20A3 160hp/2.0
K24A 200hp/2.4
K24A2 160hp/2.4
and the new
K20Z1 210hp/2.0 (05-06 RSX-S/integra type S)
K20Z3 197/2.0 (06 Civic Si)

and i know of someone who has a K24A with a K20A2 head swap done and put into a 7th gen civic that pull 238 hp to the wheels...its been tuned and internals are stock

not to mention the F20C from an 01-03 S2000 has 240hp and the new F22C which has 237hp

also the Bseries was one of the most popular engines period
B16A 160hp vtec
B16B 180hp vtec (CTR engine)
B18C SIR/GSR engine 170-180hp
B18C Type R engine 190-200 hp
B18C5 USDM Type R engine 190hp
B20B CRV/oddessy engine 140hp (common vtec swap done and power up to 210hp)

Celicas now are VVTL-i if it makes any difference xD

Only GTS models are 2ZZ-GE's with VVTL-i. And I guess the Corolla XRS too. The 2ZZ is still very inferior to Honda B/K Series motors on sheer grounds of poor design. 2ZZ has an even more peaky powerband than a B/K Series motor. On top of the 2ZZ's weak valvetrain, doesn't make for a good combination. When the 7th Gen Celica came out, masses of people we're dropping valves to the point where you'd be very lucky to find a dealer to fix/replace your motor under warranty. If they couldn't they'd have to dish out to fix/replace motors themselves. Not just in the 2ZZ but the 1ZZ too. The transmissions Toyota uses for the 1ZZ and 2ZZ are also still using copper synchros, that's just straight up cheap of them considering their main competitor with the Celica for the last 15 years has been the Integra. When Honda did away with the cable trans, so went the shitty copper synchros, that was like what...almost 10 years ago. I love Toyota, I always will, but they seem to cut corners in the places that hurt low level tuners the most. So the appeal is long gone for me...

toysport

I call your bluff on this one for the fact that I have seen many a 3SGE, yamaha makes the heads on these motors and I know for a FACT D-VVT-i is for "dual" as in controlling the intake and exhaust valves. Kind of like BMWs dual vanos technology. I doubt very much they would make the altezza a economy car. I looked into this motor alot, for the sheer fact I was going to swap one into my 86. my friend has one in his garage actually right now, 6 speed tranny and all. And as far as no parts following you must be joking. TRD has a whole catalog of parts for the 3SGE.
Also if you look on the link I provided toysport has the last 3SGE labeled as Dvvti and if you dont believe me even after that search 3SGE dvvti on the net and see how many searches pop up. You think they might want to controll both the intake and exhaust becasue A. You can control the engine output. B. You can also control the engine economy. Toyota hasn't come out with a tuner motor in 10 years? What about the 4AGE or the 4AGZE? or the 3SGE or maybe the 2jz-GTE? Oh but i guess none of those motors are tuner motors right? I think you might have the D-vvt-i mixed up with Dvvt wich stands for "dynamic".

This post has been edited by AETRAN86 on Oct 5 2005, 07:46 AM

for one, when the GT500 supras still used turbo I4s, it was the 503E and not the 3SGTE. That's a common misconception.

For two, bang for the buck, dual VVT is still inferior to Vtec. Variable valve timing is nice, but it's not AS nice compared to a system that has a 3rd lobe on the f**kin cam that basically changes the duration of the cam and gives you more lift.

Dont forget the 2zz

Agreed becasue it's a different system, they both utilize variable valve timing, but the system is different. A better arguement would be vtec vs vvtl-i since theyt are both pretty close to the same thing, vvt or vvt-i is a simpilar system and has less moving parts and in some ways is more reliable in that aspect.

This post has been edited by AETRAN86 on Oct 6 2005, 09:22 AM

Ya but how often do you hear ricers complaining they broke their vtak- ive really yet to hear of any problems like that (granted i dont exactly look, but figure it would come up somewhere along the line)

yea well if they did have a problem it would be somthing more along the lines of vlave damage etc.. But by more reliable I said in that aspect, I mean less moving parts is always good I'm not saying v-tec isn't reliable but it's a different system theres more to variable vale timing then most people think. I don't know if they would be saying I broke my vTak but more along the lines of my vTak won't engage. Again the system between the two is different as well as comparing these engines to v-tec ones. they are similar in the DOHC design etc but when you get into the head thats when things start to change. Oh and inital noob not all v-tec engine have that 3rd lobe.

This post has been edited by AETRAN86 on Oct 7 2005, 07:43 AM

this is the biggest misconception of the 3s. there was NEVER a "3sge" in the MR2. it was either 3sgte (Turbo) or 5sfe (na) the 3sge was in the st162,and 183
and if you were able to get your hands on an alltrac that had the 3sgte awd.

This post has been edited by MR2fast on Jun 22 2008, 10:15 PM

Come on people, its been dead for 3 FREAKING YEARS! I can understand a couple of months but A FEW YEARS?! Grr...

^Does reviving a thread from 3 years back to clarify a point about the engines really agravate you that much? Is it hurting you?

does someone commenting about necroposting aggravate you that much?? is it hurting you?

No, not really. As you see I simply asked Xcert a question because of why he got mad over this. I just want his opinion, and if he chooses to awnser or not, its his problem.

This post has been edited by murphanation on Jun 23 2008, 12:06 AM

sorry noobcake

markets outside the US had SW20s with the 3S-GE. eg Japan/Europe/Australia

not everything revolves around the US. go back to school

^proof? and as for the rest of you i didnt realize that it was that old. i was doin a google search to see if there are ne 4agze 6speed trannys

LIES, YOU KNOW WHY ITS LIES?! BECAUSE I HAVE 32473647823474 SW20 BUDDIES WHO ALL HAVE FRGGING 3SGE'S IN THERE.. JDM and ADM models both came with the 3SGE not some pos 5SFE crap you guys get. back @ you

If the point was valid, then yes. Yes I wouldn't have minded, but to bring up a wrong fact is f**king blasphemous. Its like the turn of the century, and people are still arguing that the world is flat.

I find it funny the reviver doesnt even know what hes on about