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backalleyracer | Posted: Feb 23 2009, 11:22 AM |
IDW Goldmember Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,770 Member No.: 7,122 Joined: May 1st 2005 Location: Las Vegas | i dont see why not realistically speaking, it is very cheap and fairly easy to swap a v8 in a seven, and considering the amount of potential in something as simple as a 350 SBC, very easy to see why one would do it only reason they dont do it in japan because american parts very expensive, at least, from what I understand |
Tomo | Posted: Feb 23 2009, 01:03 PM |
Retired old man Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,210 Member No.: 9,983 Joined: Jul 8th 2005 Location: San Diego, California | what the hell happened in this thread? He traded it for an Accord ALREADY? I wonder how many days the accord will last? |
Spaz | Posted: Feb 23 2009, 01:10 PM | ||
Just a guy towing a car across the country to chase a dream. Group: FORUM MODERATOR Posts: 9,272 Member No.: 30,193 Joined: Jul 25th 2008 Location: Plymouth, MN |
3. Then he'll trade for a DSM that he'll crankwalk in 2 hours. | ||
Malkurvs | Posted: Feb 23 2009, 07:29 PM |
IDW Full Member Group: Members Posts: 43 Member No.: 31,938 Joined: Feb 20th 2009 Location: Update Profile | I have had the RX7 up for like a month looking to trade it. Also, I hope it lasts longer then a day. |
Rudy | Posted: Feb 23 2009, 11:24 PM |
Unregistered | (THIS POST WAS REMOVED BY REQUEST) This post has been edited by Midnight Drifter on Feb 23 2009, 11:28 PM |
peemyTNBow | Posted: Feb 24 2009, 12:09 AM |
Unregistered | Funny, one of the best rotary mechanics, engine builders i know is from New Jersey. Stock LS series motors with no modifications are a joke compared to a turbocharged 2 rotor. Not only do you need to spend all the money to swap it, then you gotta build it to take on a well prepped 2 rotor. This post has been edited by BmwNeoType on Feb 24 2009, 12:11 AM |
Möbius | Posted: Feb 24 2009, 01:46 AM | ||
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All money and power considerations aside , I still wouldn't want anything but a rotary in an RX-7... If one does not want the rotary, why get an RX in the first place? | ||
Yoshida Seiji | Posted: Feb 24 2009, 09:05 AM |
IDW Goldmember Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,568 Member No.: 23,634 Joined: Mar 16th 2007 Location: Update Profile | The easiest way to not have to worry about your rotary motor is to. A) Take care of it and don't be a tool. and B ) Learn about them so if something does mess up, you can fix it yourself. Buying a car you know nothing about is automatic fail in the first place. This post has been edited by Yoshida Seiji on Feb 24 2009, 09:10 AM |
Möbius | Posted: Feb 24 2009, 10:56 AM | ||
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Not entirely true. Buying a car that you have every intention of learning about is not too bad. Everyone has to start somewhere. | ||
Spaz | Posted: Feb 24 2009, 01:58 PM | ||
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Yep, I can vouch for this one from experience. I've got a wonderfully reliable problem-ridden car. If you told me back in April that I'd know as much about cars as I know now in less than a year thanks to this car, I'd have laugh at you. Only time this b*tch stranded me was when I drunkenly ran it out of gas... | ||
Shirogane | Posted: Feb 24 2009, 02:42 PM | ||
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But sadly, it happened to some of us, when we were going to Great Wolf Lodge a long time ago, the Legend ran dry just about the entrance of the exit. >_< How gay was that? Thank god we carried at least a 2 Gallon Gas Tank with us and drove to the nearby gas station. >_< | ||
Spaz | Posted: Feb 24 2009, 02:48 PM |
Just a guy towing a car across the country to chase a dream. Group: FORUM MODERATOR Posts: 9,272 Member No.: 30,193 Joined: Jul 25th 2008 Location: Plymouth, MN | Well, the driver's side fuel level sensor is either broken or dislodged (yes, my car has two level sensors), so I don't get accurate readings on the gauge all the time. |
backalleyracer | Posted: Feb 24 2009, 03:19 PM | ||
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yea, but a rotary wont get 20+ mpg or wont be able to move around @ 2000 rpm's god i sound terrible, but realistically think and shopping around will show that a LS swapped 7 is worth it, even stock i figure this... rx7 shell - $300 ls1 + trans + ECU - ~$4500 ~290 WHP // ~310 RWTQ stock should be able to hit 13's all day OR Rx7 shell - $300 TII engine + trans + ECU ~ $2000 ~180 WHP stock hitting 15's all day but wait ! rotary has an extra $2500 !!! and yes, you could use it to get faster... intake/exahust (3" turbo back) - $800 upgraded fuel pump - $120 720cc secondaries - $100 FMIC - $600 wideband - $200 SAFC - $200 just with that, you can get up to ~230 WHP that will get you into 14's ** of course, all these things mentioned are assumed by doing your own work and also include not having to rebuild the motor seems to me, comes out about even, except you get better gas mileage, torque, and the awesome ability to be able to go to autozone and get anything you could ever need ! This post has been edited by backalleyracer on Feb 24 2009, 03:19 PM | ||
Mr. Shine | Posted: Feb 24 2009, 05:56 PM | ||
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Contrary to popular belief, Japan does make their own V8s. There must be another reason why they don't drop V8s into RX-7s in Japan Japanese V8 > American V8 My opinion of course. I'd love a 4L V8 Toyota Soarer | ||
peemyTNBow | Posted: Feb 25 2009, 09:01 AM |
Unregistered | Most japanese V8s are heavy, anemic, expensive and hard to modify. American V8s INVENTED the aftermarket. |
backalleyracer | Posted: Feb 25 2009, 12:03 PM | ||
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I hope your joking any reasonable person should be able to see that having the ability to make 300whp for $1500 would be a wise choice cant do that with a japan v8, let alone, ANY japanese motor | ||
Spaz | Posted: Feb 25 2009, 02:33 PM | ||
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rebuilt stock 4G63: $500 rebuilt small 16G: $100 FIC 650cc injectors: $150, used 97-99 DSM plastic case ECU: $120, used Data cable for tuning: $90 Stage 2 clutch and lightweight flywheel: $400 Joe P Boost controller: $50, used total: $1410 Possible AWHP: 350 Since it all goes in together, it's no more work than swapping in a V8. And guess what? The 4G63 is Japanese. | ||
Shale | Posted: Feb 25 2009, 02:37 PM | ||
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That's the most ignorant thing I've heard said all day. | ||
Möbius | Posted: Feb 25 2009, 03:14 PM |
IDW Top Poster Group: Advanced Members Posts: 33,844 Member No.: 3,524 Joined: Oct 2nd 2004 Location: Update Profile | V8's? I would do it right : http://www.shafiroff.com/sportsman_engines.asp http://www.ultrastreet.net/engines/402_realstreet_alum.asp $8K for 525 horsies. ( Seriously, not my taste though, I prefer high strung small engines ). This post has been edited by Apex Carver on Feb 25 2009, 03:15 PM |
backalleyracer | Posted: Feb 25 2009, 03:15 PM | ||
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so you just pick up a 4g63 block for free ?? did a little searching myself found this guy http://www.kcsr.org/viewtopic.php?t=186494 pretty good, cept it was on a 18g turbo and a aftermarket manifold close, but no cigar and, i am no expert on 4g63s, but seems to me this is your motor http://www.sunrisejdmmotors.com/engine_det...hp?id=79&page=1 also found this useful and interesting http://www.dsmtuners.net/sub.php?page=1gtstage1power seems to me, you get about 250whp with some basic mods for about 2k, which is not bad at all, but still a bit behind a completely stock 350 This post has been edited by backalleyracer on Feb 25 2009, 03:53 PM | ||
peemyTNBow | Posted: Feb 25 2009, 07:57 PM |
Unregistered | I would be much happier settling this debate with a white C6 Z06. |
Shirogane | Posted: Feb 25 2009, 08:30 PM | ||||
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Ditto. Ze Rotary vs. V8 wars started, ladies und gentlemen, please find shelter.
And here I thought they only had one. OT: The only thing wrong with the Legend 'til her death (Again, damn ignorant cellphone girl) was the fuel. >_> This post has been edited by JZX100 on Feb 25 2009, 08:31 PM | ||||
Spaz | Posted: Feb 25 2009, 09:16 PM | ||
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I almost forgot the Evo fuel pump there. That'll add a whopping $30. See, there are two ways to do a 4G63 car, one of which is looking at the shops for parts, the other is to go through your local clubs. The latter is cheaper, by far. What I meant by rebuilt 4G63 was, in fact, an entire engine. Head, block, crank, manifolds, the works. In fact, I was seeing some rebuilt 7-bolts for around $400 late last year locally. They're cheap as hell if you know where to look. Hell, you could buy a blown one and rebuild it yourself for less than $500. The turbo and injectors? Exactly what I got for exactly those prices. The clutch was an over-estimate because I got a serious deal on mine, practically at acquisition cost. If you want to go cheap on the tuning, an SAFC can be had for $100. I can quote you low prices with valid real-world examples all day. It can be done for $1.5k or less. Trust me. And here's your 300 on basically the build I listed: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tuning-eng...mbers-here.html About halfway down the page here, you can see an attached 2-run sheet that achieved 350 on a small 16g: http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208193&page=4 | ||
backalleyracer | Posted: Feb 25 2009, 10:08 PM |
IDW Goldmember Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,770 Member No.: 7,122 Joined: May 1st 2005 Location: Las Vegas | well it is the same for 350 i was putting down shop numbers realistically, you can go to the junkyard, find a camero, buy the engine + trans for $300-$500 and you have a 290whp for stock and in the link you posted, the guy has a FMIC and i believe it is safe to say, you dont run around all day @ 19 psi but lets throw this into the equation I can get a SBC from the stock 290whp to 400whp with about $1500 and btw, if you havn't figured it out by now, i am throwing a 350 SBC in my car with help from friends with lots of experience in chevys and planning to run 400whp...get 20mph...and be able to move from 2000rpms |
peemyTNBow | Posted: Feb 25 2009, 10:40 PM |
Unregistered | Sell the car and get a C5 Z51 Corvette because they are so damn cheap now. You will save money in the end, and have a better "turnkey" sportscar. This post has been edited by BmwNeoType on Feb 25 2009, 10:40 PM |
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