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Posted by: Perry Apr 12 2013, 07:16 AM
「INITIAL D FIFTH STAGE」ACT. 11 & 12
Initial Air Date: April 12th, 2013 (PPV HD)

Episode 11 Title: 「終止符。そして……」"Full Stop. Continued..."
Episode 12 Title: 「ブラザーズ」"Brothers"


R A W S / C C :

(Tudou Streaming)
  • Episode 11 - http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/4Vc_BIRZ7Dc/ (360p LQ RAW)
  • Episode 12 - http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/3ttcX3FKK84/ (360p LQ RAW)

(Direct Downloads)
  • Episode 11 - https://finaldistance.net/Initial%20D%20Fifth%20Stage/(RAW)%20Initial%20D%20Fifth%20Stage%2011%20(360p).mp4 (Right Click And Save As) (640x360 23.97fps MP4 AVC1 - 39.8 MB)
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  • Episode 12 - https://finaldistance.net/Initial%20D%20Fifth%20Stage/(RAW)%20Initial%20D%20Fifth%20Stage%2012%20(360p).mp4 (Right Click And Save As) (640x360 23.97fps MP4 AVC1 - 39.7 MB)
    user posted imageuser posted imageuser posted imageuser posted image http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=371665&uk=3456317156 • http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=464321&uk=422251100 (Left Click On user posted image To Download)

(Torrent)
  • Episode 11 & 12 - Available Soon (360p - 79.5 MB)



F A N S U B S :

(Vimeo Streaming)
  • Episode 11 - http://vimeo.com/64249492 (360p LQ with Embedded Subtitles)
  • Episode 12 - http://vimeo.com/64246417 (360p LQ with Embedded Subtitles)

(Torrent)
»»» Japanese Audio w/ English Subtitles (MKV Container - For Computer Use Only)
• http://centralanime.net/
  • Episode 11 & 12 - http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=view&tid=429026 [Central Anime] (360p - 80.80 MB)
  • Episode 11 & 12 - http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=view&tid=444007 [Central Anime] (848x480 DVD - 823.5 MB)
  • Complete Season DVD - http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=view&tid=455494 [Central Anime] (848x480 DVD - 5.99 GB)

»»» Japanese Audio w/ English Subtitles (MP4 - For Mobile and Gaming Console Use Only)
  • Episode 11 - Not Available Yet.
  • Episode 12 - Not Available Yet.

(Direct Downloads)
»»» Japanese Audio w/ English Subtitles (MP4 - For Mobile and Gaming Console Use Only)
  • Episode 11 - https://finaldistance.net/Initial%20D%20Fifth%20Stage/content/%5bIDW_Fansubs%5d_Initial_D_Fifth_Stage_-_11.mp4 (Right Click And Save As) [IDW Fansubs] (360p - 71.39 MB)
  • Episode 12 - https://finaldistance.net/Initial%20D%20Fifth%20Stage/content/%5bIDW_Fansubs%5d_Initial_D_Fifth_Stage_-_12.mp4 (Right Click And Save As) [IDW Fansubs] (360p - 71.26 MB)
    » Special thanks to https://idforums.net/index.php?showuser=5394 for the help in re-encoding process.

»»» English Subtitles Only (Advanced SubStation alpha *.ass)
  • Episode 11 - https://finaldistance.net/Initial%20D%20Fifth%20Stage/%5bIDW%20Fansub%5d%20Fifth%20Stage%20Episode%2011.ass [IDW Fansubs]
  • Episode 12 - https://finaldistance.net/Initial%20D%20Fifth%20Stage/%5bIDW%20Fansub%5d%20Fifth%20Stage%20Episode%2012.ass [IDW Fansubs]



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Other Notes:

OP & ED Theme:
» Opening Theme: "Raise Up" by m.o.v.e.
» Ending Theme: "夕愁想花" by m.o.v.e.

Music from Act 11:
» Ace - Wait For You (Dancefloor Night Mix) (SEB 192)

Music from Act 12:
» Mistika - Rain (SEB 218)


• For more information on music from Initial D Fifth Stage, please visit the pinned https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=44886 thread. Thank you.
• Special thanks to BurningRacer for providing the music information!


Other Episodes Discussion / Downloads:

https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=44925 https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=45126 https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=45268
https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=44925 https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=45126 https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=45268
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https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=45390 https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=45494 user posted image
https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=45390 https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=45494 user posted image
user posted image
https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=45775




S C R E E N C A P S :

Screencaps provided by 夜神月ABC from Initial D Baidu Tieba.
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Please use the SPOILER tag when posting spoilers.
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DO NOT ask for the release date of the subs for Ep. 11 & 12.
DO NOT ask for the availability status of HQ episode links. Be patient.
You will be warned and your posting privilege removed for one (1) week.

Posted by: Silfa Apr 12 2013, 07:19 AM
Thanks Perry!

Posted by: Perry Apr 12 2013, 07:25 AM
No problem. If anyone has seen the episodes already, please let me know the songs' information and I'll update the OP. Thanks! I haven't even watch them yet...

Posted by: BurningRacer Apr 12 2013, 07:33 AM
QUOTE (Perry @ 8 minutes, 25 seconds ago)
No problem. If anyone has seen the episodes already, please let me know the songs' information and I'll update the OP. Thanks! I haven't even watch them yet...

ACT.11:「终止符。そして……」
Ace - Wait For You (SEB 192)
Actually full name is Wait For You (Dancefloor Night Mix)

ACT.12:「ブラザーズ」
Mistika - Rain (SEB 218)

Thanks for sharing the DLs happy.gif happy.gif happy.gif

Posted by: Silfa Apr 12 2013, 07:34 AM
Oh Perry, your Tudou links are reversed haha. I just finished 12, now watching 11.

Posted by: Perry Apr 12 2013, 07:38 AM
QUOTE (Silfa @ 4 minutes, 8 seconds ago)
Oh Perry, your Tudou links are reversed haha. I just finished 12, now watching 11.

Fixed!! Sorry about that. happy.gif
Also, thank you very much BurningRacer!!

Posted by: biggamehit Apr 12 2013, 07:44 AM
Hey brother, for the stream, 11 links to 12 and 12 to 11.

ahhh disregard hahahah.

Thanks

I live in Japan but still like to wait for you guys to post up! I dont have a tv in my house hahah.

Posted by: Perry Apr 12 2013, 07:46 AM
S C R E E N C A P S :

Screencaps provided by 夜神月ABC from Initial D Baidu Tieba.
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Posted by: Slade Apr 12 2013, 07:48 AM
Awesome,cant wait to watch lata happy.gif

Posted by: Vortrex Apr 12 2013, 07:49 AM
Screencaps still doesn't work with me... sad.gif

But still, thanks superawesomecooluber perry for the uploads!!! smile.gif

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 12 2013, 07:55 AM
Railgun S2 raw goes up so I check IDW and find the raws for 11 and 12 are up too.

Today is the best day. w00t2.gif

Posted by: mike962 Apr 12 2013, 07:57 AM
BIG DISSAPOINTMENT


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Posted by: Perry Apr 12 2013, 08:02 AM
QUOTE (Vortrex @ 12 minutes, 27 seconds ago)
Screencaps still doesn't work with me... sad.gif

But still, thanks superawesomecooluber perry for the uploads!!! smile.gif

Screencaps fixed. Looks like Baidu doesn't like people hotlinking their stuff. laugh2.gif

Posted by: darkdrift Apr 12 2013, 08:14 AM
thank you! cool.gif

Posted by: Deadly Stalker Apr 12 2013, 08:17 AM
Very thanks a lot for new Episode 11 & 12 Perry! Hope i can seeing your better show up of 13 & 14 later! awesome.gif

Posted by: KhanR34 Apr 12 2013, 08:39 AM
Many Thanks Perry biggrin.gif . My internet is not being very agreeable so I will check back in for the torrents

Posted by: pingu86 Apr 12 2013, 09:11 AM
thanks.gif Perry...

Posted by: Seri Apr 12 2013, 09:36 AM
Still no Forever Sad... Oh well.

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Posted by: Phantom_R32 Apr 12 2013, 10:53 AM
Lmao... Initial D playing some American Pop/R&B music? wat..

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Derp.. Nevermind. Just read the OP. Didn't know Ace covered that song.

Posted by: Chidoki Apr 12 2013, 11:48 AM
First off always thanks for the posting of the episodes Perry, post came out much sooner, thought it was going to be tomorrow.

Re-cap of how much manga chapters covered in previous episodes.
Covered chapters 424 to 639, total of 219 chapters. Currently 65 chapters left at chapter 704 (not including weekly chapters within the upcoming weeks)

Wek's awesome manga translation currently covers up to chapter 653 (and NSX race ending at chapter 665 to 666.)

Episode 01 to 02 (40 chapters)
Episode 03 to 04 (40 chapters)
Episode 05 to 06 (50 chapters)
Episode 07 to 08 (30 chapters)
Episode 09 to 10 (22 chapters)
Episode 11 to 12 (37 chapters)

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Posted by: mike962 Apr 12 2013, 11:51 AM
so next is the final, stil can't really comprehend that's it sad.gif facepalm.gif

Posted by: hackgrid Apr 12 2013, 11:57 AM
Nice episodes, kinda amazing, that we will see the translated anime before the translated manga chapters ... (maybe rolleyes.gif )

Posted by: Lebon14 Apr 12 2013, 01:30 PM
For those interessed, I've updated the Fifth Stage Song Listing thread with the newest download. Wait For You is a weird choice... being a cover and all. Good song but weird choice for Initial D. *shrug*

Posted by: Seri Apr 12 2013, 02:42 PM
Huh... This is scaring me... Another month, it seems. Also, what the heck did they do to Shingo?

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Posted by: pimenta59 Apr 12 2013, 02:58 PM
Very quick Raws!!! By the way, is CA subbing these ones or is it IDW top dudes doing it again?

Posted by: Perry Apr 12 2013, 03:57 PM
I already got my hands on the Chinese sub. English sub should be out in 24 to 36 hours.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 12 2013, 04:06 PM
QUOTE (pimenta59 @ 1 hour, 8 minutes ago)
Very quick Raws!!! By the way, is CA subbing these ones or is it IDW top dudes doing it again?

Both, as per usual.

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Posted by: s12drifter Apr 12 2013, 04:41 PM
RB26 POWWWWWWEEERRR!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Gunma's 34 Apr 12 2013, 05:03 PM
QUOTE (Lebon14 @ 3 hours, 33 minutes ago)
For those interessed, I've updated the Fifth Stage Song Listing thread with the newest download. Wait For You is a weird choice... being a cover and all. Good song but weird choice for Initial D. *shrug*

The same song (artist's version who made it popular) was also used in Wangan Midnight the Movie. I hate to ask this but what is up with Initial D & Wangan Midnight AND Elliot Yaming's single, anyway?

@KyoukoFD3S

DID HE JUST GET A TAN???

Posted by: pimenta59 Apr 12 2013, 05:24 PM
QUOTE (Perry @ 1 hour, 26 minutes ago)
I already got my hands on the Chinese sub. English sub should be out in 24 to 36 hours.

Thank you very much Perry, thank all of initial D world putting time and effort to release the subs!

Posted by: hashiriyatakahashiryosuke Apr 12 2013, 05:35 PM
thank you, Idw staff for the new episodes!

Posted by: nasaeepandai59 Apr 12 2013, 06:16 PM
Thanks for the episodes.

But just to update, the direct downloads link has some technical issues and I cannot access them.

But the Tudou Streaming link works so use that instead.

And,

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Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 12 2013, 07:41 PM
Man the audio in episode 12 is shit. Really too bad. Maybe C-A can do something about it, if only to make it less ear-gratingly horrendous. sad.gif

Posted by: Perry Apr 12 2013, 07:49 PM
QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 7 minutes, 48 seconds ago)
Man the audio in episode 12 is shit. Really too bad. Maybe C-A can do something about it, if only to make it less ear-gratingly horrendous. sad.gif

I confirmed with the guy who capped this... the audio is very bad. I don't think he's willing to pay for that again. sad.gif

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 12 2013, 08:36 PM
QUOTE (Perry @ 47 minutes, 5 seconds ago)
I confirmed with the guy who capped this... the audio is very bad. I don't think he's willing to pay for that again. sad.gif

Woah it was on the TV station's end!? Are you joking me!?!? That's obscene!! mad.gif

Posted by: teddybear00 Apr 12 2013, 08:47 PM
cant wait for the HQ version.... happy.gif

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 12 2013, 08:57 PM
QUOTE (teddybear00 @ 9 minutes, 15 seconds ago)
cant wait for the HQ version.... happy.gif

You will be waiting until June 14th. smile.gif

Posted by: Heibi Apr 12 2013, 09:19 PM
QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 22 minutes, 46 seconds ago)
You will be waiting until June 14th. smile.gif

Yeah, and I don't know if I can fix the audio. I'll try.

Posted by: cheevoon Apr 12 2013, 10:33 PM
Hi Perry! Thanks for the download link...

Posted by: soursalem Apr 12 2013, 11:42 PM
Thanks!!! These are awesome; I'm really excited about this finale. cool.gif

Posted by: Lett Apr 13 2013, 04:03 AM
So there will be EP 13 & 14 as I understand, right?

Posted by: Klad123 Apr 13 2013, 01:28 PM
I thought the last two episodes were bad with song choices.....

But the songs this time STINKS like rotten eggs. facepalm.gif

Posted by: Takahashi Rensuki Apr 13 2013, 01:34 PM
Thank you Perry for the episodes. ermm2.gif

Posted by: case Apr 13 2013, 02:02 PM
QUOTE (Perry @ Yesterday, 3:57 PM)
I already got my hands on the Chinese sub. English sub should be out in 24 to 36 hours.

Thanks in advance, and thanks for the uploads!

Posted by: iloverc Apr 13 2013, 02:47 PM
QUOTE (Perry @ Yesterday, 3:57 PM)
I already got my hands on the Chinese sub. English sub should be out in 24 to 36 hours.

Upload the chinese sub!!! I wan watch TT crying2.gif

Posted by: inforis Apr 13 2013, 04:37 PM
Has it been confirmed on how much episodes are in 5th Stage yet?

should we look forward to an ep.13/14 or is this the end?

Posted by: Perry Apr 13 2013, 06:16 PM
QUOTE (inforis @ 1 hour, 39 minutes ago)
Has it been confirmed on how much episodes are in 5th Stage yet?

should we look forward to an ep.13/14 or is this the end?

Check the first post in the main Fifth Stage thread. Ep.13 and 14 had been confirmed weeks ago. https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=44541

Posted by: Perry Apr 13 2013, 09:46 PM
Re-encoding Episode 11 right now as we speak. Accounting for the upload time after this, it should be done in an hour or so.


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Posted by: Le Tigre Apr 13 2013, 10:26 PM
Thank you for making my sleepless night better.

Posted by: gamercado Apr 13 2013, 10:27 PM
Yay! I can't wait!

Posted by: azjn Apr 13 2013, 10:40 PM
@perry
thanks alot just cant wait refreshing this page like every 15min

Posted by: Perry Apr 14 2013, 12:01 AM
I have uploaded the source file in the OP, for those of you who can't wait for the streaming link. smile.gif Streaming link will be available very soon. Thanks for your patience.

(Vimeo Streaming)
  • Episode 11 - [VIMEO] 360p LQ English Subtitle (360p LQ with Embedded Subtitles)

Posted by: nasaeepandai59 Apr 14 2013, 12:55 AM
Thanks a lot for the subs ya happy.gif

Posted by: Shirogane Apr 14 2013, 01:05 AM
QUOTE (Lebon14 @ Apr 12 2013, 02:30 PM)
For those interessed, I've updated the Fifth Stage Song Listing thread with the newest download. Wait For You is a weird choice... being a cover and all. Good song but weird choice for Initial D. *shrug*

I nearly spat my coffee right onto my monitor when the song came blaring through the headphones. Seriously, Avex? There are hundreds of songs out there and you guys go and pick Yamin?

Great work as always, Perry. Though I hope IDW doesn't share the same fate as DCTP did..

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Posted by: Splitter Apr 14 2013, 02:31 AM
Great subs Perry, only spotted one mistake that was obvious to a non JP-speaker like me smile.gif

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For the episode:

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Posted by: leejay_1145 Apr 14 2013, 07:53 AM
the vid has been deleted..????

Posted by: Aradiel Apr 14 2013, 08:03 AM
Direct link works fine. Streaming is down for me.

Posted by: gamercado Apr 14 2013, 08:44 AM
was honestly SHOCKED to hear an Elliott Yamin song... WTF Initial D???

Thanks for the subs too! Great job and looking forward to Episode 12!

Posted by: Filphil Apr 14 2013, 08:50 AM
QUOTE (gamercado @ 5 minutes, 28 seconds ago)
was honestly SHOCKED to hear an Elliott Yamin song... WTF Initial D???

Thanks for the subs too! Great job and looking forward to Episode 12!

A number of songs have been released for over two years now on SEB albums. The choice for this particular song covered by ACE is definitely intended to spark those feelings.

Posted by: Skyrider Apr 14 2013, 12:25 PM
QUOTE (Ken Nōgami @ Today, 1:05 AM)
Great work as always, Perry. Though I hope IDW doesn't share the same fate as DCTP did..

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If Funimation is smart they'll leave IDW the fk alone.

In the wake of the Tokyopop disaster, the fansubbers are the only reason Funimation still had a consumer base large enough to actually sell the dubs and still make money.

Posted by: 8M6_celica Apr 14 2013, 02:03 PM
Thanks for the quick subs!!! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Shirogane Apr 14 2013, 02:13 PM
QUOTE (Skyrider @ 1 hour, 48 minutes ago)
If Funimation is smart they'll leave IDW the fk alone.

In the wake of the Tokyopop disaster, the fansubbers are the only reason Funimation still had a consumer base large enough to actually sell the dubs and still make money.

The problem is, we're just as the same as DCTP, and I don't think they took too kindly on what they were doing with Detective Conan (even though Failimation has never continued subbing future episodes.) So I doubt that they'll hesitate. ermm2.gif

Posted by: Perry Apr 14 2013, 02:23 PM
Last time I check, Funimation doesn't have the rights for Initial D Fifth Stage. They might in the future, but right now they don't.

Posted by: Tessou Apr 14 2013, 02:40 PM
QUOTE (Perry @ 16 minutes, 8 seconds ago)
Last time I check, Funimation doesn't have the rights for Initial D Fifth Stage. They might in the future, but right now they don't.

This is true. Funimation only has the license to distribute stages 1-4. They have no control over Fifth Stage, as is evidenced when every youtube upload is taken down because of a complaint from Wedge Link, not Funimation.

So please, IDW, stop complaining about Funimation "being foolish" for cutting uploads of this series... because they have nothing to do with Fifth Stage.

Posted by: samsayono Apr 14 2013, 05:42 PM
Will episode 14 still be the last episode before the season ends? ermm2.gif

Posted by: ThomasMak0524 Apr 14 2013, 06:18 PM
QUOTE (samsayono @ 35 minutes, 17 seconds ago)
Will episode 14 still be the last episode before the season ends? ermm2.gif

Right now I see 18 episodes. 13-14 will be the nsx battle. 15-18 will be ae86 vs ae86 plus ending.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 14 2013, 06:32 PM
QUOTE (ThomasMak0524 @ 14 minutes, 20 seconds ago)
Right now I see 18 episodes. 13-14 will be the nsx battle. 15-18 will be ae86 vs ae86 plus ending.

Four episodes for one race? Show me any episode in Fifth Stage where a race even lasted a full two episodes and I might believe you.

Oh wait, there aren't any.

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Posted by: Perry Apr 14 2013, 07:31 PM
All signs are pointing to 14 episodes only. They did say they will change the ED theme in the half way point for Fifth Stage. The ED changed from CLUTCHO's Flyleaf to m.o.v.e's 夕愁想花 starting in Episode 7. So yeah, I'm 95% sure it's going to be 14 episodes. The remaining 5% is my doubt on how they will wrap it up in two episodes. I hope they will spend the entire Ep.13 for the uphill race and then maybe some buildup before the downhill race, then ends it right before the downhill race or during the downhill race.

Take a small break (3 to 4 months and let Shigeno finishes up with the downhill race in the manga) and then release a movie based on the downhill race and some loose ends stuff. That'd be nice. :-)

Posted by: morelikely Apr 14 2013, 09:14 PM
From what I heard copyright law applies only when we take someone else's video and subtitles and claim it as ours. Just because funimation is licensed they can't claim that's theirs. Specially when they don't have the fifth stage.

Posted by: Bartisaur Apr 14 2013, 09:39 PM
This is my first time posting but I just thought of something while watching the subbed version of the 11th episode.

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Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 14 2013, 09:44 PM
QUOTE (morelikely @ 30 minutes, 17 seconds ago)
From what I heard copyright law applies only when we take someone else's video and subtitles and claim it as ours. Just because funimation is licensed they can't claim that's theirs. Specially when they don't have the fifth stage.

Incorrect. If FUNimation holds the license, they are well within their rights to send C&Ds to anyone who attempts to distribute it without their permission. They're the distributors. Even if they don't hold the license, however, Wedge Link still own the property and would be well within their rights to do the same thing.

It just hasn't happened yet. It might never happen. But that doesn't mean they can't do it. Don't ever think that.

Posted by: Perry Apr 14 2013, 10:26 PM
Right, don't tempt the beast. I never think wishfully in my position. There are always backup plans if "stuff" happens. Let's just hope it doesn't happen. smile.gif

Posted by: Banken Apr 15 2013, 04:07 AM
The BGM of the date scene kind of ruined it for me...

I think Shinji's mom sounds way older than I expected.

The animation seems like it's getting worse and worse but I'm pretty sure it's just the crappy video quality of the upload... you can't just turn a 1080P video into a 360 pixel video.

Posted by: Ivan Apr 15 2013, 04:27 AM
Thanks.Perry

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Posted by: Heibi Apr 15 2013, 04:41 AM
QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ Yesterday, 8:32 PM)
Four episodes for one race? Show me any episode in Fifth Stage where a race even lasted a full two episodes and I might believe you.

Oh wait, there aren't any.

Not to mention that only 7 DVDs are advertised currently. They projected all the way to July last month. That would mean only 14 episodes. Of course they could advertise more suddenly and I could be wrong.

The one thing I can see them doing though is to make a movie to wrap up the series. Save the best for last.

Posted by: beardRage Apr 15 2013, 06:02 AM
Longtime lurker, only just registered. Thought I'd mention that the direct download for ep11 doesn't work on mobile (Droid X) It says download unsuccessful before it even starts. Can't say if the raws are the same, I don't do them 'cause I can't speak the language.

Posted by: jahmed Apr 15 2013, 07:25 AM
Thanks for the quick subs on Ep 11 Perry!!!!

Posted by: Tessou Apr 15 2013, 10:12 AM
QUOTE (Heibi @ 5 hours, 30 minutes ago)
The one thing I can see them doing though is to make a movie to wrap up the series. Save the best for last.

You call the last (current in the manga) race "the best"? In my opinion, best races were depicted in earlier stages, the last truly fun race to watch being the Godhand race.

Posted by: Xellos Apr 15 2013, 10:52 AM
I still remember the days when initial d the anime was about racing.

Posted by: ae111bzgBT Apr 15 2013, 12:00 PM
QUOTE (Xellos @ 1 hour, 7 minutes ago)
I still remember the days when initial d the anime was about racing.

like takumi, it has grown more technical

Posted by: Todo_Integra Apr 15 2013, 12:59 PM
QUOTE (Xellos @ 2 hours, 7 minutes ago)
I still remember the days when initial d the anime was about racing.

So...the RX7 and the NSX in this episode are...not...racing?

Well that sucks, cuz I was looking forward to this race more than Takumi's last one! Bummer for me!

Anyways. This stage as going to be more than 14 episodes. If it's not, a movie's wrapping it up. I don't wanna spoil anything, but something different happens in this race, that has not happened in any other this season. Try to figure it out. tongue.gif

But, dammit, seriously.

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Posted by: Tessou Apr 15 2013, 01:39 PM
It will be 14 episodes, and wrap everything up within them. The studio is obviously losing interest in the series or else they'd include a lot more detail from the manga, so what makes anybody think that they'll put time and money into making a movie/ova?

Posted by: Heibi Apr 15 2013, 02:16 PM
QUOTE (Tessou @ 36 minutes, 54 seconds ago)
It will be 14 episodes, and wrap everything up within them. The studio is obviously losing interest in the series or else they'd include a lot more detail from the manga, so what makes anybody think that they'll put time and money into making a movie/ova?

I was saying that since there are only 7 DVDs(14 episodes total), that if they were going to do more it would probably be a movie. I didn't say there is going to be one.

Posted by: Filphil Apr 15 2013, 03:56 PM
He's saying they probably don't give a damn about the anime.

Posted by: EvoXFusion Apr 15 2013, 07:00 PM
i was curious. what happen to all the HD releases after episodes 2?

all the releases has been 360p. i did a search on the forums but wasn't able to find anything

Thanks

Posted by: Heibi Apr 15 2013, 08:02 PM
QUOTE (EvoXFusion @ 1 hour, 2 minutes ago)
i was curious. what happen to all the HD releases after episodes 2?

all the releases has been 360p. i did a search on the forums but wasn't able to find anything

Thanks

It has been explained many times. The first 2 episodes were broadcast for free to get more viewers. After that it was pay-per-view only.

Posted by: EvoXFusion Apr 15 2013, 08:09 PM
thanks for the update. so we would have to wait till they have the blu ray release?

Posted by: Perry Apr 15 2013, 08:20 PM
QUOTE (EvoXFusion @ 10 minutes, 49 seconds ago)
thanks for the update. so we would have to wait till they have the blu ray release?

There are no blu-ray releases planned currently. Until they announce it otherwise, assume there won't be any blu-ray releases.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 15 2013, 09:01 PM
QUOTE (Heibi @ 59 minutes, 23 seconds ago)
It has been explained many times. The first 2 episodes were broadcast for free to get more viewers. After that it was pay-per-view only.

Was the second episode broadcast for free? I don't recall that. I believe the second episode was broadcast on PPV and just happened to get capped by someone in HD. Whoever capped episode 2 did not move on to cap the remaining episodes.

Perhaps that person realized how shitty the series was and decided to let his opinion known via his wallet?

Posted by: S0panishFutbol Apr 15 2013, 10:45 PM
wow thank you for sharing with us!

Posted by: THE_HONDA_CG2 Apr 15 2013, 10:50 PM
Holy crap. These subs were released really quickly. I didn't even have the time to watch the episode unsubbed. Do werk Perry! And thank you everyone else on the subbing team for getting these out so quickly! smile.gif

Posted by: Perry Apr 16 2013, 02:02 AM
I have finally translated Episode 12. It took awhile because the Chinese subtitles used a lot of colloquial words and phrases that make no sense when translated to English. I actually have to go in the English translated manga to crosscheck and make sure they are not too far off from the original meaning.

The sub file will be available in 24 hours as I have to do a few more checks to make them flow better between sentences.

Posted by: Bartisaur Apr 16 2013, 02:12 AM
QUOTE (Perry @ 9 minutes, 38 seconds ago)
I have finally translated Episode 12. It took awhile because the Chinese subtitles used a lot of colloquial words and phrases that make no sense when translated to English. I actually have to go in the English translated manga to crosscheck and make sure they are not too far off from the original meaning.

The sub file will be available in 24 hours as I have to do a few more checks to make them flow better between sentences.

Can't wait! Wish I could understand / read Chinese.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 16 2013, 02:21 AM
QUOTE (Bartisaur @ 9 minutes, 9 seconds ago)
Can't wait! Wish I could understand / read Chinese.

Why? If you understood Japanese you'd be better off in this instance. wink2.gif

Posted by: Tessou Apr 16 2013, 05:23 AM
QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 8 hours, 22 minutes ago)
Perhaps that person realized how shitty the series was and decided to let his opinion known via his wallet?

You forgot to add this to your post.

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Posted by: blackengine501 Apr 16 2013, 06:27 AM
QUOTE (Perry @ 4 hours, 25 minutes ago)
I have finally translated Episode 12. It took awhile because the Chinese subtitles used a lot of colloquial words and phrases that make no sense when translated to English. I actually have to go in the English translated manga to crosscheck and make sure they are not too far off from the original meaning.

The sub file will be available in 24 hours as I have to do a few more checks to make them flow better between sentences.

Nice one got to wait for a whole day whistling.gif

Posted by: Todeshornisse Apr 16 2013, 12:54 PM
Is it confirmed that there will be 14 episodes. Not 13 or 15 or whatever?
Anything official?

Posted by: Le Tigre Apr 16 2013, 01:42 PM
QUOTE (Todeshornisse @ 47 minutes, 28 seconds ago)
Is it confirmed that there will be 14 episodes. Not 13 or 15 or whatever?
Anything official?

Read through the thread, it's been discussed a lot.

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Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 16 2013, 04:12 PM
QUOTE (Todeshornisse @ 3 hours, 17 minutes ago)
Is it confirmed that there will be 14 episodes. Not 13 or 15 or whatever?
Anything official?

It cannot be an odd number as it is broadcast in pairs. Only 7 DVDs have been announced and there are only airdates for 14 episodes.

Short of shoving it in your face, it's confirmed to be 14 episodes.

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Posted by: Noisy_Tribe Apr 16 2013, 09:10 PM
QUOTE (Perry @ Today, 2:02 AM)
I have finally translated Episode 12. It took awhile because the Chinese subtitles used a lot of colloquial words and phrases that make no sense when translated to English. I actually have to go in the English translated manga to crosscheck and make sure they are not too far off from the original meaning.

The sub file will be available in 24 hours as I have to do a few more checks to make them flow better between sentences.

Registered to say thanks for the work!

Posted by: Perry Apr 16 2013, 11:50 PM
You know it's good when it takes this long. Sorry for the delay, I took my time for this one because I added karaoke effect for the OP and ED theme. Multiple checks were done on the translation, it's 90%~95% accurate. It's currently re-encoding. It should be available for viewing in less than two hours.

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Posted by: smokenrowboy Apr 17 2013, 01:00 AM
^Thanks Perry! Can't wait to watch the episode tomorrow with friends!

General question for everyone:
Have they mentioned how much power Shinji's 86 has? I feel like Takumi's 86 would be vastly superior with its racing engine.

Posted by: Aradiel Apr 17 2013, 01:19 AM
They've never mentioned power or weight, but they did make a big deal about how high it revs and how Tak needed a new tach to know when to shift.

Posted by: Felix79 Apr 17 2013, 01:44 AM
QUOTE (Perry @ 1 hour, 54 minutes ago)
You know it's good when it takes this long. Sorry for the delay, I took my time for this one because I added karaoke effect for the OP and ED theme. Multiple checks were done on the translation, it's 90%~95% accurate. It's currently re-encoding. It should be available for viewing in less than two hours.

http://i1.minus.com/jbdv04sWAwHmo2.jpg

Thank you for the time and effort you put in doing all of this. Really been amazed with the quality of work you and your team produce when translating all of these episodes.

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Posted by: Perry Apr 17 2013, 01:47 AM
Episode 12 has been subbed. I'll release the Episode 11 soft sub file later along with Episode 12 soft sub. Enjoy!

Posted by: Bartisaur Apr 17 2013, 01:52 AM
QUOTE (Perry @ 4 minutes, 15 seconds ago)
Episode 12 has been subbed. I'll release the Episode 11 soft sub file later along with Episode 12 soft sub. Enjoy!

Some good news the moment I checked in! Thanks a lot! smile.gif

Posted by: RickkyyP Apr 17 2013, 03:44 AM
Thanks for the subs, don't know how I managed the last 6 years without my ID fix!

I love how the series has gone almost full circle. Shinji is clearly representing Fujiwara from series 1 with his incomprehension of racing, even as far as the AE86.

I'm wondering if as we never see or hear of Takumi's mother, Shinji is a long lost brother who lived with his mother instead of his father?

Posted by: ArcHuman123 Apr 17 2013, 05:47 AM
Dang Shinji is acting JUST like Takumi on stage 1! Hate how episode 12 ended like this leaving me hanging! Ep13-14, please be good and not like the other episodes!

Posted by: gamercado Apr 17 2013, 07:09 AM
Thanks for the subs again!

Just one note though, there were a lot of crackling/hissing noises in the first part. Not sure if the audio does have issues or maybe it's just me speaker.

Anyways, can't wait for the remaining episodes!

Posted by: Takahashi Rensuke Apr 17 2013, 07:12 AM
QUOTE (Aradiel @ 5 hours, 53 minutes ago)
They've never mentioned power or weight, but they did make a big deal about how high it revs and how Tak needed a new tach to know when to shift.

What? I thought we're talking about Shinji's AE86, not Takumi's?

Posted by: chumppi Apr 17 2013, 08:44 AM
Thank you for the subs! Such a wonderful job!

Posted by: Aya Apr 17 2013, 09:19 AM
vimeo link have been removed.that is fast work from vimeo

Posted by: addyszus Apr 17 2013, 10:01 AM
arigato for ep 12 subs smile.gif

Posted by: Tessou Apr 17 2013, 11:06 AM
QUOTE (Aya @ 1 hour, 47 minutes ago)
vimeo link have been removed.that is fast work from vimeo

Vimeo and pretty much every other streaming site will respond quickly if a production company busts in the door with a copyright violation claim. They can't afford the lawsuit.

Posted by: Perry Apr 17 2013, 11:20 AM
Yeah, they act quick. If you missed it, you missed it. Sorry. sad.gif

Posted by: Rudy Apr 17 2013, 11:23 AM
Damn, I didn't know we were now producing our own subs! Awesome!

edit: *spits out cereal*
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Posted by: kenshin81 Apr 17 2013, 01:41 PM
hi, im one of the long time readers-newly registered zero post guys tongue.gif

after watching 11+12 and taking a look back at the manga i was asking me the question all day how in all f'ckin hell they are supposed to squeeze 1,5 races aka 60+ chapters up until now
- and the current race <in the manga> is not even finished atm-
they are still behind at the end of ep12 into 2 episodes ...

aka tldr: how safe is the assumption that there will only be 14 episodes? yes i read that there are only 7 announced dvds up til now but it clearly feels like they would be missing well... a LOT. and were not even talking about finishing any loose ends..

so, what am i missing?

Posted by: Tessou Apr 17 2013, 02:02 PM
I'm missing out on what the hell "spoilerbla" means.

Posted by: Gunma's 34 Apr 17 2013, 02:59 PM
QUOTE (Dorifuta @ 3 hours, 35 minutes ago)
Damn, I didn't know we were now producing our own subs! Awesome!

edit: *spits out cereal*
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Well Nakazato...

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Posted by: kenshin81 Apr 17 2013, 03:37 PM
QUOTE (Tessou @ 1 hour, 34 minutes ago)
I'm missing out on what the hell "spoilerbla" means.

edited above, better now?

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 17 2013, 05:04 PM
QUOTE (kenshin81 @ 3 hours, 22 minutes ago)
hi, im one of the long time readers-newly registered zero post guys tongue.gif

after watching 11+12 and taking a look back at the manga i was asking me the question all day how in all f'ckin hell they are supposed to squeeze 1,5 races aka 60+ chapters up until now
- and the current race <in the manga> is not even finished atm-
they are still behind at the end of ep12 into 2 episodes ...

aka tldr: how safe is the assumption that there will only be 14 episodes? yes i read that there are only 7 announced dvds up til now but it clearly feels like they would be missing well... a LOT. and were not even talking about finishing any loose ends..

so, what am i missing?

tl;dr wedge link doesn't give a fuck, they shat this anime out as an afterthought and assumed that people would gobble it up just because it's initial d

Posted by: Tessou Apr 17 2013, 05:47 PM
QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 42 minutes, 42 seconds ago)
tl;dr wedge link doesn't give a fuck, they shat this anime out as an afterthought and assumed that people would gobble it up just because it's initial d

Yes, this is blatantly obvious. Fifth Stage comes off as a rush job peddled out to make money without effort.

It's a McSeason, basically. We're getting the basic essence of what's happening in the manga, without a lot of the details and garnished with a rather forgettable soundtrack.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 17 2013, 05:56 PM
And shit character designs and tons of reused VAs and incorrect sound effects and etc etc etc etc etc. It's shit, and it's insulting.

Posted by: Tessou Apr 17 2013, 06:08 PM
Yeah, it's apparent that they didn't bring their A Game into this one. It's really a case of "we need to just finish the series", hence the rushed plots and short episode count.

It's ridiculous. In First Stage (you know, back when they cared so much that they got rock-smashing boners just thinking about animating the next episode), the time between Ryosuke challenging Takumi and the two of them actually racing was FOUR EPISODES, with tons of plot in between. In Fifth Stage, there's a challenge and a conclusion practically within half an hour. There's nothing to engage viewers. We aren't given the necessary tools to care about what is happening.

This whole season feels like an Extra Stage. Nice to have, but entirely unnecessary.

Posted by: ChilliBeef Apr 17 2013, 06:27 PM
Anyone else noticing bad static around the middle of episode 12? First coming in bursts on the left speaker then the right. (Replayed the same sections to make sure it was the video and not my speakers.)

Posted by: Rudy Apr 17 2013, 07:10 PM
QUOTE (kenshin81 @ 5 hours, 28 minutes ago)
hi, im one of the long time readers-newly registered zero post guys tongue.gif
aka tldr: how safe is the assumption that there will only be 14 episodes? yes i read that there are only 7 announced dvds up til now but it clearly feels like they would be missing well... a LOT. and were not even talking about finishing any loose ends..

Wait, are you saying that Fifth Stage is going to surpass the manga?

If so, it could suffer from a bad case of Hellsing Syndrome. sad.gif

Posted by: THE_HONDA_CG2 Apr 17 2013, 08:36 PM
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Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 17 2013, 09:21 PM
QUOTE (ChilliBeef @ 2 hours, 53 minutes ago)
Anyone else noticing bad static around the middle of episode 12?  First coming in bursts on the left speaker then the right.  (Replayed the same sections to make sure it was the video and not my speakers.)

See below, from page 2:

QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ Apr 12 2013, 07:41 PM)
Man the audio in episode 12 is shit. Really too bad. Maybe C-A can do something about it, if only to make it less ear-gratingly horrendous. sad.gif


QUOTE (Perry @ Apr 12 2013, 07:49 PM)
I confirmed with the guy who capped this... the audio is very bad. I don't think he's willing to pay for that again. sad.gif


QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ Apr 12 2013, 08:36 PM)
Woah it was on the TV station's end!? Are you joking me!?!? That's obscene!! mad.gif


QUOTE (Heibi @ Apr 12 2013, 09:19 PM)
Yeah, and I don't know if I can fix the audio. I'll try.

Posted by: Perry Apr 17 2013, 09:30 PM
QUOTE (THE_HONDA_CG2 @ 53 minutes, 53 seconds ago)
SPOILER

Having read that part of the manga at least twenty times, I can tell you the animation team follows very closely to the manga for that scene. happy.gif

Posted by: THE_HONDA_CG2 Apr 17 2013, 11:07 PM
QUOTE (Perry @ 1 hour, 37 minutes ago)
Having read that part of the manga at least twenty times, I can tell you the animation team follows very closely to the manga for that scene. happy.gif

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Posted by: Perry Apr 17 2013, 11:50 PM
QUOTE (THE_HONDA_CG2 @ 43 minutes, 31 seconds ago)
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That's the thing with manga. A full page panel in manga is usually only 5 to 10 seconds in animation. You really can't drag it out any further. Fifth Stage feels so rushed because it IS that rushed in the manga. It doesn't feel that way when you read it because you are filling the gap with your imagination.

First Stage and possibly Second Stage felt so detailed because the author did take the time to write about those side stories. There aren't that many opportunities in Project D's expedition. Because unlike First Stage, Takumi can't go to school, do the delivery and then hang around with Itsuki all day. The setting itself doesn't allow any more side stories. Granted, Shigeno could have take the focus away for a volume or two and talk about what goes on in Akina or with other racers in Gunma. But really it would feel even more of a drag.

I do agree with most that Episode 11 & 12 were the worst ones yet in Fifth Stage. The characters design seemed to take a turn for the worse. What the hell happened?! Are they running out of budget?! Did you see Kubo-san's face in some scenes? It looks like he just got a neck spasm. I probably watched Fifth Stage more than anyone else so I know all the details in it. But man, I'm not getting used to it, not even in the slightest sense.


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I really lol'd. laugh2.gif

Posted by: Banken Apr 18 2013, 03:36 AM
What? The non-racing scenes have always had great pacing compared to the racing scenes in the manga. I would guess it's because it's easier to draw those scenes than to draw the race scenes, because of the detail put into the backgrounds. People are probably easier to draw than cars, and the backgrounds can often be reused.

Initial D's battles have never been as interesting as the drama related to them. Like, the scenes before and after the battle with Kyoichi, Itsuki and Kazumi, Touru hitting his girlfriend up for tire money... discussions about car culture, etc.

Posted by: javierel22 Apr 18 2013, 05:44 AM
QUOTE (Perry @ 5 hours, 53 minutes ago)
The characters design seemed to take a turn for the worse. What the hell happened?! Are they running out of budget?! Did you see Kubo-san's face in some scenes? It looks like he just got a neck spasm. I probably watched Fifth Stage more than anyone else so I know all the details in it. But man, I'm not getting used to it, not even in the slightest sense.


http://i.minus.com/jbyh2hSzvZ0NeE.jpg

I really lol'd. laugh2.gif

Or Keisuke here...in full zombie mode laugh2.gif

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Posted by: Spaniard Apr 18 2013, 06:10 AM
What i dont understand is how they couldn't make the series longer and deeper with more story?
For example i dont know what takumi's evolution is with the one hand steer or how his techniques are getting better. No back story on rival drivers etc
After 6 years we get a turd with a cherry on top

Posted by: JKaiba Apr 18 2013, 10:22 AM
QUOTE (javierel22 @ 4 hours, 38 minutes ago)
Or Keisuke here...in full zombie mode laugh2.gif

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8tkCX1s4KQQ/UW_4...0h29m00s138.png

Because being Meguka is suffering.

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We should start an "Off Model" Initial D characters page for lulz.

Posted by: Tessou Apr 18 2013, 10:43 AM
I don't think any off model shot will ever beat Takumi's "oh shit" face from the Godhand battle when his suspension crunched.

Posted by: Filphil Apr 18 2013, 11:45 AM
I got the impression that the characters talking were still pictures with the only part moving was their mouths.

Posted by: THE_HONDA_CG2 Apr 18 2013, 11:45 AM
I should start looking for quarity in Fifth Stage again. I've just been watching but forgetting to take screen caps of the derp I see. I'll see if I can find something you guys haven't caught yet. laugh.gif

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Posted by: IntegraR Apr 18 2013, 01:19 PM
I have to admit, while the anime leaves a lot out of what the manga dives into
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I still find the anime to be really good at capturing emotions of the characters.

Also no matter what, the battles are more exciting to watch rather than read. Maybe my imagination isn't as deep as some of you other guys, but I'm really enjoying fifth stage so far. Hopefully episode 14 doesn't spell the end, but if it does, I guess I'll just happily read ahead in the manga and wait for the anime to come out later. This is one show that I will always patiently wait for.

Posted by: keg11 Apr 18 2013, 02:55 PM
QUOTE (IntegraR @ 1 hour, 36 minutes ago)
I have to admit, while the anime leaves a lot out of what the manga dives into
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Posted by: eatsuki Apr 18 2013, 06:00 PM
I like episode 12. It doesn't feel as rushed as in the early episodes from this season. I hope they keep the same pace in the next episodes. Hoping for at least 16 episodes in this season.

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[posted by IntegraR]

I still find the anime to be really good at capturing emotions of the characters.

Also no matter what, the battles are more exciting to watch rather than read. Maybe my imagination isn't as deep as some of you other guys, but I'm really enjoying fifth stage so far. Hopefully episode 14 doesn't spell the end, but if it does, I guess I'll just happily read ahead in the manga and wait for the anime to come out later. This is one show that I will always patiently wait for.


Edit: I agree with this. Plus the NSX looks a lot more awesome in animation biggrin.gif

spoiler from next chapters:
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Posted by: pingu86 Apr 18 2013, 07:10 PM
QUOTE (Tessou @ 8 hours, 26 minutes ago)
I don't think any off model shot will ever beat Takumi's "oh shit" face from the Godhand battle when his suspension crunched.

I tot because he see his doppelganger… His face was priceless… awesome.gif

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Posted by: Perry Apr 19 2013, 03:48 AM
As promised, the soft sub files are here. These have all the errors fixed, thanks to all of your inputs! Enjoy! smile.gif


»»» English Subtitles Only (Advanced SubStation alpha *.ass)
  • Episode 11 - https://finaldistance.net/Initial%20D%20Fifth%20Stage/%5bIDW%20Fansub%5d%20Fifth%20Stage%20Episode%2011.ass [IDW Fansubs] user posted image
  • Episode 12 - https://finaldistance.net/Initial%20D%20Fifth%20Stage/%5bIDW%20Fansub%5d%20Fifth%20Stage%20Episode%2012.ass [IDW Fansubs] user posted image

Posted by: javierel22 Apr 19 2013, 05:05 AM
QUOTE (Perry @ 1 hour, 16 minutes ago)
As promised, the soft sub files are here. These have all the errors fixed, thanks to all of your inputs! Enjoy! smile.gif


»»» English Subtitles Only (Advanced SubStation alpha *.ass)
  • Episode 11 - https://finaldistance.net/Initial%20D%20Fifth%20Stage/%5bIDW%20Fansub%5d%20Fifth%20Stage%20Episode%2011.ass [IDW Fansubs] https://idforums.net/images/icon_new.gif
  • Episode 12 - https://finaldistance.net/Initial%20D%20Fifth%20Stage/%5bIDW%20Fansub%5d%20Fifth%20Stage%20Episode%2012.ass [IDW Fansubs] https://idforums.net/images/icon_new.gif

Excellent, really appreciate this, Perry, brilliant work

Posted by: fuji_tak Apr 19 2013, 05:54 AM
sceenshots for act 13 & 14

http://www.perfectchoice-pr.com/initial-d

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 19 2013, 06:05 AM
QUOTE (fuji_tak @ 10 minutes, 59 seconds ago)
sceenshots for act 13 & 14

http://www.perfectchoice-pr.com/initial-d

https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=44541&view=findpost&p=1272302

You mean these, that Perry posted in the ID5S general thread where they belong? derp.gif

Posted by: Munk Apr 19 2013, 06:38 AM
thank you for all of your hard work!

Posted by: Takahashi Rensuke Apr 19 2013, 08:23 AM
QUOTE (eatsuki @ Yesterday, 10:00 AM)
spoiler from next chapters:
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If they left this out from the manga, I will be so pissed off mad.gif

Posted by: Rudy Apr 20 2013, 03:43 PM
Maybe it's a blessing that I've been avoiding the manga... but last I checked, nobody picked up on the manga since Tokyopop gave up the ghost, which is a shame. And since I don't know Japanese, just picking up the original thing from that book store next to Mitsuwa isn't an option for me either.

But hey, who knows, maybe things will get better. We're not even halfway into the season yet so maybe things will get on the up-and-up. Though, if the anime does surpass the manga and the writers go in their own direction, it will be... interesting to see what they do with it.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 20 2013, 04:01 PM
QUOTE (Dorifuta @ 17 minutes, 58 seconds ago)
Maybe it's a blessing that I've been avoiding the manga... but last I checked, nobody picked up on the manga since Tokyopop gave up the ghost, which is a shame. And since I don't know Japanese, just picking up the original thing from that book store next to Mitsuwa isn't an option for me either.

But hey, who knows, maybe things will get better. We're not even halfway into the season yet so maybe things will get on the up-and-up. Though, if the anime does surpass the manga and the writers go in their own direction, it will be... interesting to see what they do with it.

Somehow you managed to miss the announcement thread and all the posts here notifying you that it's only 14 episodes. facepalm.gif

EDIT: https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=45677

Posted by: Klad123 Apr 20 2013, 04:24 PM
I don't get how a NA engine NSX can be a threat to the Twin-turbo FD?

I understand that since the engine is rear-mid, it gives better traction, but there's only so much horsepower the NA engine can produce.
Keisuke's FD got to packing way over 400hp if he's confident he can beat God Foot's R34 GT-R in his current(Kanogawa) setup.

Didn't a stock NSX have 280hp(Japan's 280hp-law). How much more hp can mods produce without forced-induction? derp.gif

For reference, Ryousuke predicted Shinigami GT-R to have at least 550hp. awesome.gif

Posted by: Banken Apr 20 2013, 04:40 PM
You realize this is a mountain road, right? It's not all about power. Also, the NSX has a three-liter engine and can be tuned to over 300 HP relatively easily (at least, it would be affordable to Gou...). It also has a lot of torque. Keisuke's FD has been stated in the manga as having about 350 HP. You cannot get much more than that on the stock turbos without removing the catalytic converter. And that's flywheel power, not rear wheel power. The NSX would be able to use more of it's power because it's an NA with a lot of response, and because it has way more traction than the FD.

Also it wasn't a law, so much as a gentleman's agreement.

Posted by: AntiRellik Apr 20 2013, 06:19 PM
It's a mountain road and the FD is twin turbo, meaning 1 turbo engages at certain RPM and then the other at higher RPM. Let's say both cars break, heading towards a curve... The FD's turbos disengage and this means that when pressing the accelerator afterwards, the turbos have to engage again, meaning that it has to spool up (start spinning until it reaches its max point). But most importantly... when the turbos are disengaged the engines acts like an NA. So.. NSX accelerating out of the curve with basically it's 280HP+ power while the FD will make luckily ~150HP until the turbos fully engage.
Basically, turbos mean you sacrifice response for power.
Another thing... The NSX has a bigger engine, 3 liter or 3.2 liter depending the year and it's a V6. It has more torque than a Rotary. If you don't know what torque is, research a bit. You'll be surprised it's not all about Horsepower and Turbos but in a nutshell, Torque is like the pulling force. The NSX pulls harder and by that means quicker. The FD has to rev higher than any normal engine to compensate for its lack of torque and is able to output its full power troughout the wider rev range.
The NSX is a similar case because one camshaft is set up for a nice ride and a bit less of fuel consumption and the second camshaft set up for high performance, so the NSX has to rev higher using it's high performance camshaft to compensate the lack of power during the low rev range which is running with the more mild camshaft. This, in Honda vehicles, is called VTEC (Toyota has a similar system called VVTL)
Other people just say the second camshaft in the NSX is there to just keep the full power output running for more time... because an engine only produces its max power at certain range.
So let's say the FD is at 3000RPM and its making 90 HP. by 4000 it's makig 160 HP, by 4400 the 1st turbo engages and it makes 280HP, by 5500 the 2nd turbo engages and it makes 350HP and so forth until reaching its maximum output...
In the NSX it's just constant and progressive (doesn't have any power spikes due to no turbos engaging) and if the VTEC system woulld actually help the engine maintain its power output, then let's just say the NSX would make 280HP CONSTANT between the 6500 and 8000 RPM... While the FD would be making progressively 400HP to 450HP+ between 6.5k at 8k.

There are many factors as well. The NSX has an aluminium body... it's lighter, it has a tight and strong chassis. It's more aerodynamic... and that gives a lot more stability. Many factors and many variables.

Posted by: geokilla Apr 20 2013, 10:34 PM
Character designs are terrible... Wtf man Initial D. Even Dragon Ball had better character designs!

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 20 2013, 11:33 PM
QUOTE (AntiRellik @ 5 hours, 13 minutes ago)
Let's say both cars break, heading towards a curve...

Sweet, I'd pay to see that! Finally some action in this show! w00t2.gif

Posted by: awdrifter Apr 21 2013, 05:26 AM
QUOTE (Klad123 @ Yesterday, 4:24 PM)
I don't get how a NA engine NSX can be a threat to the Twin-turbo FD?

I understand that since the engine is rear-mid, it gives better traction, but there's only so much horsepower the NA engine can produce.
Keisuke's FD got to packing way over 400hp if he's confident he can beat God Foot's R34 GT-R in his current(Kanogawa) setup.

Didn't a stock NSX have 280hp(Japan's 280hp-law). How much more hp can mods produce without forced-induction? derp.gif

For reference, Ryousuke predicted Shinigami GT-R to have at least 550hp. awesome.gif

You can get some pretty serious HP out of the J32, there are stroker kits out there for the NSX that'll push it to 3.6L. People have pushed almost 370whp out of the NSX.
YOUTUBE ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF1SFuBKxjk )


So it's not that far fetched that it can keep up with a 400hp FD.

Posted by: Klad123 Apr 21 2013, 09:31 AM
QUOTE (AntiRellik @ Yesterday, 6:19 PM)
The NSX has a bigger engine, 3 liter or 3.2 liter depending the year and it's a V6. It has more torque than a Rotary. If you don't know what torque is, research a bit.

Yeah but, aren't Hondas/Acuras arguably the worst in making torque, like how people make fun of the S2000's torque all the time.

Team Spiral's 350Z with the 3.5L makes more power and torque than the NSX.

Posted by: inforis Apr 21 2013, 04:31 PM
Man, after all these years, i don't know whether to be happy or sad that the series is ending.

Posted by: Filphil Apr 21 2013, 07:49 PM
QUOTE (Klad123 @ Today, 9:31 AM)
Yeah but, aren't Hondas/Acuras arguably the worst in making torque, like how people make fun of the S2000's torque all the time.

Team Spiral's 350Z with the 3.5L makes more power and torque than the NSX.

The s2k is anemic in the lower rev range... where you're not going to be when racing.



Posted by: nasaeepandai59 Apr 21 2013, 10:56 PM
QUOTE (inforis @ 6 hours, 24 minutes ago)
Man, after all these years, i don't know whether to be happy or sad that the series is ending.

You should be happy..

Who knows, they may have another series coming up haha happy.gif


Lets just see what they have in their plans

But for the FD and NSX race, I think the road is a bit too narrow as compared to D7..

Posted by: geokilla Apr 22 2013, 06:34 AM
QUOTE (Klad123 @ Yesterday, 12:31 PM)
Yeah but, aren't Hondas/Acuras arguably the worst in making torque, like how people make fun of the S2000's torque all the time.

Team Spiral's 350Z with the 3.5L makes more power and torque than the NSX.

Doesn't mean anything as even after all these years, VTEC and a good chassis still triumphs.

YOUTUBE ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cMZtCp9qu8 )

Posted by: Takahashi Rensuki Apr 23 2013, 02:33 PM
QUOTE (inforis @ Apr 21 2013, 04:31 PM)
Man, after all these years, i don't know whether to be happy or sad that the series is ending.

It shouldn't be ending, there will most likely be another season/special/battle stage of some sort. ermm2.gif

Posted by: nivtec29 Apr 23 2013, 03:26 PM
QUOTE (AntiRellik @ Apr 20 2013, 06:19 PM)
Another thing... The NSX has a bigger engine, 3 liter or 3.2 liter depending the year and it's a V6. It has more torque than a Rotary. If you don't know what torque is, research a bit. You'll be surprised it's not all about Horsepower and Turbos but in a nutshell, Torque is like the pulling force. The NSX pulls harder and by that means quicker. The FD has to rev higher than any normal engine to compensate for its lack of torque and is able to output its full power troughout the wider rev range.
The NSX is a similar case because one camshaft is set up for a nice ride and a bit less of fuel consumption and the second camshaft set up for high performance, so the NSX has to rev higher using it's high performance camshaft to compensate the lack of power during the low rev range which is running with the more mild camshaft. This, in Honda vehicles, is called VTEC (Toyota has a similar system called VVTL)
Other people just say the second camshaft in the NSX is there to just keep the full power output running for more time... because an engine only produces its max power at certain range.

Incorrect, the VTEC System is not just two different camshafts as you mentioned in the NSX DOHC set up.

First off ALL DOHC engines have two different camshafts, one is for the exhaust valves and one is for the intake valves(As opposed to SOHC, where one camshaft controls intake and exhaust valves) so they are already essentially different camshafts in all engines DOHC, not just VTEC engines.

Honda/Acura VTEC engines do have two different camshafts with different lobe positions however there is an electronically controlled solenoid(VTEC solenoid) which controls oil flow through a valve which actually changes the "timing" of a camshaft, which in effect enables longer or shorter valve timing and overlap. This can increase power and/or fuel economy in the VTEC engine. Other manufactures have done this in their own ways, but honda was one of the first to produce this feature for all their models, in effort to promote better fuel economy.

Now lets assume the NSX that is racing the FD is tuned.... i mean duh! why wouldn't it be? if he has upgraded his camshafts to performance camshafts in order to time his valves perfectly for more HP and Torque. AND THEN is able to enhance that performance when the VTEC kicks in at 4000 rpm (or where ever he tuned his ECU to engage the solenoid) he will surely be able to keep up with an FD, granted he has tuned well.

Posted by: Flinchy Apr 24 2013, 04:09 AM
QUOTE (AntiRellik @ Apr 20 2013, 06:19 PM)
It's a mountain road and the FD is twin turbo, meaning 1 turbo engages at certain RPM and then the other at higher RPM. Let's say both cars break, heading towards a curve... The FD's turbos disengage and this means that when pressing the accelerator afterwards, the turbos have to engage again, meaning that it has to spool up (start spinning until it reaches its max point). But most importantly... when the turbos are disengaged the engines acts like an NA. So.. NSX accelerating out of the curve with basically it's 280HP+ power while the FD will make luckily ~150HP until the turbos fully engage.
Basically, turbos mean you sacrifice response for power.
Another thing... The NSX has a bigger engine, 3 liter or 3.2 liter depending the year and it's a V6. It has more torque than a Rotary. If you don't know what torque is, research a bit. You'll be surprised it's not all about Horsepower and Turbos but in a nutshell, Torque is like the pulling force. The NSX pulls harder and by that means quicker. The FD has to rev higher than any normal engine to compensate for its lack of torque and is able to output its full power troughout the wider rev range.
The NSX is a similar case because one camshaft is set up for a nice ride and a bit less of fuel consumption and the second camshaft set up for high performance, so the NSX has to rev higher using it's high performance camshaft to compensate the lack of power during the low rev range which is running with the more mild camshaft. This, in Honda vehicles, is called VTEC (Toyota has a similar system called VVTL)
Other people just say the second camshaft in the NSX is there to just keep the full power output running for more time... because an engine only produces its max power at certain range.
So let's say the FD is at 3000RPM and its making 90 HP. by 4000 it's makig 160 HP, by 4400 the 1st turbo engages and it makes 280HP, by 5500 the 2nd turbo engages and it makes 350HP and so forth until reaching its maximum output...
In the NSX it's just constant and progressive (doesn't have any power spikes due to no turbos engaging) and if the VTEC system woulld actually help the engine maintain its power output, then let's just say the NSX would make 280HP CONSTANT between the 6500 and 8000 RPM... While the FD would be making progressively 400HP to 450HP+ between 6.5k at 8k.

There are many factors as well. The NSX has an aluminium body... it's lighter, it has a tight and strong chassis. It's more aerodynamic... and that gives a lot more stability. Many factors and many variables.

just posting because you're both largely (or partially) incorrect (in fact i signed up purely through frustration)

firstly, the smaller 'low rpm' turbo in the FD is designed purely so that it has better response and less of the lag

if you look at the dyno graph of a *well tuned* stock twin 13b you'll see it actually has REALLY flat torque, and the power is made very linearly to redline, much like an NA motor a la NSX..
stock tune the RX-7 isn't super smooth, big dip when the turbos cross over, but good tuning is good tuning smile.gif

torque vs horsepower: here's where you are REALLY WRONG

torque IS horsepower, horsepower is simply torque over time (at an RPM) where torque is horsepower without time, the potential the engine has to push down at a given RPM

horsepower = torque (in ft-lb) x RPM /5252 (5252RPM is the point where torque and horsepower is identical, 500ft-lb at 5252rpm is 500 horsepower.)

so a motor with more low-down torque will make more power low down.. a motor with more torque up high will make more power up high than an engine without.

***at any given RPM, the motor that makes more torque will make more power*** - but yes it's true, if you have a low-torque motor (short stroke etc.) then revving higher, obviously (going by the above formula) will compensate in power production... hence formula 1 cars with half of nothing in the torque dept makes insane power.

toyota's VVTL is nothing NOTHING like VTEC, it's purely valve timing and lift in a very (relatively) minor way - more on this further on

the turbo's in the FD will also engage much lower than you're saying (4400rpm?) more like <2000 for the low boost smaller one.

and your quote: "let's just say the NSX would make 280HP CONSTANT between the 6500 and 8000 RPM" unlikely, it should have a FLAT torque curve (or flat-ish) with peak power production at or almost at redline. this means if it makes 300hp at 8000rpm, it makes 150hp at 4000rpm. this is obviously dependant on actual tuning, figures entirely pulled out of thin air.

ANY ENGINE PRODUCES POWER IN THE SAME MANNER. in fact, the FD has the potential to be tuned for a flat POWER curve and a tapering torque curve, as you can lower the boost as the revs rise, so the torque drops but the revs rise, giving a constant level of power.

and finally but most importantly... THE FD IS LIGHTER THAN THE NSX

a stock FD weighs ~ 1,150 kilograms (2,500 lb)
a stock NSX weighs 2,976 lb (1,350 kg) (91-92) 3,093lb (1,403kg)(93-97) 2,954lb (1,340kg) (02+)
2,809lb (1,274kg) (02+ NSX-R)

AT LEAST 300lb heavier is the LIGHTEST NSX.

more on vtec in next post:


ED:

QUOTE (nivtec29 @ Apr 23 2013, 03:26 PM)

Incorrect, the VTEC System is not just two different camshafts as you mentioned in the NSX DOHC set up.

First off ALL DOHC engines have two different camshafts, one is for the exhaust valves and one is for the intake valves(As opposed to SOHC, where one camshaft controls intake and exhaust valves) so they are already essentially different camshafts in all engines DOHC, not just VTEC engines.

Honda/Acura VTEC engines do have two different camshafts with different lobe positions however there is an electronically controlled solenoid(VTEC solenoid) which controls oil flow through a valve which actually changes the "timing" of a camshaft, which in effect enables longer or shorter valve timing and overlap. This can increase power and/or fuel economy in the VTEC engine. Other manufactures have done this in their own ways, but honda was one of the first to produce this feature for all their models, in effort to promote better fuel economy.

Now lets assume the NSX that is racing the FD is tuned.... i mean duh! why wouldn't it be? if he has upgraded his camshafts to performance camshafts in order to time his valves perfectly for more HP and Torque. AND THEN is able to enhance that performance when the VTEC kicks in at 4000 rpm (or where ever he tuned his ECU to engage the solenoid) he will surely be able to keep up with an FD, granted he has tuned well.


it's actually not quite what you explain either

VTEC is a single (well 2, in a DOHC motor obviously) camshaft with multiple LOBES... the lumpy oval things that rotate and push down on the valves

like you say, there's a solenoid which triggers oil pressure rise in the VTEC system, at the designated RPM the solenoid engages, which locks in the secondary high lift, longer duration, basically 'bigger' camshafts (@AntiRellik too)

world.honda.com/automobile-technology/VTEC/ this page has EXACTLY how it works. moving pics and all smile.gif

single camshaft, multiple profiles. amazing technology imo (and i don't even own a honda haha)

lower camshafts work for more low down power due to the massive complexity in designing an engine, port/valve dimensions, high velocity due to the specific lifts/sizes need a gentler profile to keep low down torque/power, if the valve was TOO open, the air speed would drop, and you would get LESS power
where at high RPM the engine needs to breathe better FASTER, so a high duration/lift is needed because the time the valve is open is shorter... making sense?

so vtec isn't JUST for fuel economy, too large a camshaft (a la high-cam in VTEC) too low in the rev range and you'll LOSE power smile.gif

in summary: in real life, the FD will weigh probably close to 300-350lb less MINIMUM... the engine is ACTUALLY front-mid not front (it's behind the front axle like an S2k), tuned vs a tuned NA NSX it will probably make at least 100hp more

also have similar-ish response due to the smaller turbo (not AS good, but not single turbo bad)

the only advantage the NSX has is the true MR layout (which is BARELY better than the FD's setup, BARELY, due to a bit more weight RIGHT on the rear axle) and being slightly wider and maaybe a bit lower in the roofline (though the FD is a teeny tiny little car and is relatively wide lol)

tl;dr in real life the FD would brutally annihilate the NSX, i'm sorry...

Posted by: pingu86 Apr 24 2013, 06:11 AM
QUOTE (Flinchy @ 2 hours, 1 minutes ago)
"...and finally but most importantly... THE FD IS LIGHTER THAN THE NSX"

I can imagine this being said by Ryosuke... To make it more interesting imagine it being voice over by Morgan Freeman

Posted by: Takahashi Rensuke Apr 24 2013, 07:53 AM
QUOTE (pingu86 @ 1 hour, 42 minutes ago)
I can imagine this being said by Ryosuke... To make it more interesting imagine it being voice over by Morgan Freeman

WTF? I can actually imagine Morgan Freeman saying this instead of Ryosuke facepalm.gif

Posted by: Midnight_Raven Apr 24 2013, 08:38 AM
Flinchy: correction to one of your statements The stock RX7 is 223lbs lighter than the lightest NSX. 1st Gen NSX-R weighs 2723lbs. Regardless the RX7 is still lighter than the NSX. Although you never know onces cars are being modified you really can't make a blank statement that the FD would annihilate the NSX. It really depends on what has been done to each car. Maybe Go's NSX has been stripped and he's bored out the motor. I've heard of track ready NSXs striped down to 2300lbs before and they do offer tuning packages to increase displacement to 3.5L-3.8L for the NSX that make about 350-385whp and that's just NA setups. Probably unlikely for Go's car but you get my point. It really depends on what has been done to the car.

In all honesty I never understood why the NSX is being displayed as the ultimate uphill rival for Keisuke. The NSX isn't really great at low speed type events because of it's high gearing (rev limited at 48mph in 1st and 85mph in 2nd) on a stock NSX. So unless Go's NSX has the 4.23:1 - 4.62:1 final drive gear on the later model 6 speed transmission it should not do well in this race.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 24 2013, 09:05 AM
QUOTE (Midnight_Raven @ 27 minutes, 19 seconds ago)
Flinchy: correction to one of your statements The stock RX7 is 223lbs lighter than the lightest NSX.

Stock RX-7 FD3S (1993): 2800 lbs (1270 kg)
Lightest NSX ('92 NSX-R): 2712lb (1230kg)

Get out of my face.

EDIT: Changed NSX number above from 1274kg to 1230kg in line with http://www.honda.co.jp/news/1992/4921126.html showing the first-gen NSX-R as 1230, thus making it the lightest of the NSXs.

Posted by: Tessou Apr 24 2013, 10:25 AM
The 1st Gen NSX-R (the lightest of all of the NSX models) weighed 2,712lbs (1230kg).
The RX-7 FD base models weigh 2,777lbs (1260kg). This is coming from Mazda's 1992 Tech Specs on the car when it first came out, complete with comparisons to the rarely-discussed touring Type X trim and the higher Type S.

We're talking about negligible differences here. Even if we moved on to discussing Keisuke's obviously modified-to-the-gills FD weight, the NSX would have followed the same course to be competitive against it.



Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 24 2013, 11:34 AM
QUOTE (Tessou @ 1 hour, 8 minutes ago)
The 1st Gen NSX-R (the lightest of all of the NSX models) weighed 2,712lbs (1230kg).
The RX-7 FD base models weigh 2,777lbs (1260kg). This is coming from Mazda's 1992 Tech Specs on the car when it first came out, complete with comparisons to the rarely-discussed touring Type X trim and the higher Type S.

We're talking about negligible differences here. Even if we moved on to discussing Keisuke's obviously modified-to-the-gills FD weight, the NSX would have followed the same course to be competitive against it.

Where did you get your figure for the NSX-R? blink.gif I'm not disagreeing that the difference in weight is negligible (it is!) but I just didn't see that figure when I was looking online. I wonder if my Acura book would list it. Except that book is in storage... dry.gif

Posted by: Vortrex Apr 24 2013, 12:06 PM
About Episode 11&12:

I really loved the fact that Mako and Sayuki talked with Shinji!
That was hilarious! And also the fact that Shinji is so much Takumi First Stage, but at the same time not.
He has his own story.

And about the NSX, i don't think it's untuned.
I think it has 320/330 or something and that's more than enough for a touge!

Posted by: Tessou Apr 24 2013, 12:16 PM
QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 41 minutes, 45 seconds ago)
Where did you get your figure for the NSX-R? blink.gif

I got it from Honda. The weight reduction process removed 265lbs (120kg) from the standard car.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 24 2013, 12:30 PM
QUOTE (Tessou @ 14 minutes, 34 seconds ago)
I got it from Honda. The weight reduction process removed 265lbs (120kg) from the standard car.

Uh...that page you just linked says the NSX-R is 1270 kg, which is in line with the figure I posted above. blink.gif

EDIT: In fact it's in line with the RX-7 figure... lol imagine that. awesome.gif

Posted by: Tessou Apr 24 2013, 12:51 PM
Hey what the hell...? I must've put in the wrong number when I posted, then. sad.gif

Posted by: nivtec29 Apr 24 2013, 04:24 PM
QUOTE (Flinchy @ Today, 4:09 AM)
it's actually not quite what you explain either

you're right , i was thinking of the VVT system in the infinity, sorry, i tend to work on lots of different types of engines all too often.

Posted by: Takahashi Rensuki Apr 24 2013, 04:36 PM
QUOTE (pingu86 @ Today, 6:11 AM)
I can imagine this being said by Ryosuke... To make it more interesting imagine it being voice over by Morgan Freeman

That would sound so weird. ermm2.gif

Posted by: takiyoshiro Apr 24 2013, 05:18 PM
thanks its great

Posted by: Flinchy Apr 24 2013, 06:54 PM
QUOTE (Midnight_Raven @ Today, 8:38 AM)
Flinchy: correction to one of your statements The stock RX7 is 223lbs lighter than the lightest NSX. 1st Gen NSX-R weighs 2723lbs. Regardless the RX7 is still lighter than the NSX. Although you never know onces cars are being modified you really can't make a blank statement that the FD would annihilate the NSX. It really depends on what has been done to each car. Maybe Go's NSX has been stripped and he's bored out the motor. I've heard of track ready NSXs striped down to 2300lbs before and they do offer tuning packages to increase displacement to 3.5L-3.8L for the NSX that make about 350-385whp and that's just NA setups. Probably unlikely for Go's car but you get my point. It really depends on what has been done to the car.

In all honesty I never understood why the NSX is being displayed as the ultimate uphill rival for Keisuke. The NSX isn't really great at low speed type events because of it's high gearing (rev limited at 48mph in 1st and 85mph in 2nd) on a stock NSX.  So unless Go's NSX has the 4.23:1 - 4.62:1 final drive gear on the later model 6 speed transmission it should not do well in this race.

whoops sorry 2,712 lb is the lightest NS-XR

yes, and the FD could have a bigger port and changed compression rotors, modified stock housing turbos to safely produce more boost etc. etc.

realistically, the FD in terms of power vs an NA NSX will always have the edge talking equivalent mods.

QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ Today, 8:38 AM)
Stock RX-7 FD3S (1993): 2800 lbs (1270 kg)
Lightest NSX (NSX-R): 2809lb (1274kg)

Get out of my face.


where are you getting the FD3S being 1270?

if we're going to assume he started with the HEAVIEST FD (an RB-S) it'll be 1,320 kg (2,888 lb)

the lightest FD (type-r bathurst) is only 1,050 kg (2,200 lb) and can be stripped for even more (he has a CF hood and light wheels remember wink2.gif )

assuming he has a common type R variant it'll be 1,150 kg (2,500 lb) .. or quite possibly a spirit R being the most popular common-ish at 1,120 kg (2,469 lb)

so... get out of MY face? just kidding, i'm not an asshole smile.gif

so realistically, his car with race seats, race interior and carbon fiber bits, i'd definitely expect his FD to weigh in the 10xx kg range. at most.

so uh... lightest stock RX-7 FD is about 1050kg.. and the lightest stock NSX is 1270... we have the FD at 220kg lighter?

so i'm even MORE correct than i was in my first post? woah.

Posted by: Midnight_Raven Apr 24 2013, 07:09 PM
Nomake Wan,

It's in the wiki you just have to actually read about the car instead of lazily looking at the summary on the top right section of the NSX wiki page lol.

Quoted from the NSX wiki page NSX-R section.

"The lightest of all NSX variants at 1,230 kg (2,712 lb), the First-Gen NSX-R is capable of blistering track performance, though the ride can be jarring and noisy due to the stiff suspension bushings, stiff spring rates and lack of sound insulation"

Either way I still stand it's really based on what has been done to each car. In this case it seems like Keisuke RX-7 is heavily modified while Go's NSX seems like it's been mildly tuned so I would say Keisuke definitely has a faster car.

Posted by: Banken Apr 24 2013, 08:36 PM
Stock for the stock the NSX-R is much faster than an FD. The lightest FD is not 1050 kg. It's not even close. Well, unless you take the engine and transmission out.

Keisuke's FD would probably weigh about as much as a stock FD because he's added weight with big wheels, big brakes, a widebody kit, a roll cage, and still has a full interior. If you had to guess purely based on the sound effects from the anime, he doesn't seem to have removed the sound deadening, either. In real life he probably would have, though.

We can't say exactly how much tuning Hojo's NSX (R?) has, but based on the conversation between him and Kubo, it's clearly A LOT, because they talk based on the level of tuning, they didn't think the FD would be able to keep up with the NSX. You realize that not only did Hojo pay for a professional mechanic / race manager to run their team, he paid for Shinji's (mother's) 86 to be fixed up for the race. He's loaded and so is his car.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 25 2013, 07:30 AM
QUOTE (Midnight_Raven @ Yesterday, 7:09 PM)
Nomake Wan, it's in the wiki you just have to actually read about the car instead of lazily looking at the summary on the top right section of the NSX wiki page lol.

Quoted from the NSX wiki page NSX-R section.

"The lightest of all NSX variants at 1,230 kg (2,712 lb), the First-Gen NSX-R is capable of blistering track performance, though the ride can be jarring and noisy due to the stiff suspension bushings, stiff spring rates and lack of sound insulation"

Kay kiddo. So since it's wikipedia, let's see where that particular section got its information from, shall we? Here we go...

...

...Funny! I don't see any references in that entire section. Now normally I'd just laugh in your face and tell you to get your facts straight, but I'm a generally intelligent fellow who has the bonus of being able to read Japanese, so I went and found an actual reliable source for that information:

http://www.honda.co.jp/news/1992/4921126.html

Which is a news posting Honda themselves put out back in 1992 announcing the Type R, stating that indeed, it's 1230 kg, 120 kg lighter than the 5MT NSX they had already put on the market. If Honda says that's what it is, then that's what it is. I hereby stand corrected and will edit my previous post.

QUOTE (Flinchy @ Yesterday, 6:54 PM)
where are you getting the FD3S being 1270?

The actual RX-7 forums with actual owners who actually got their vehicles weighed. The average weight came out to be about 2800 pounds. I'm sorry if that's not Wikipedia enough for you. And to be perfectly fair kiddo, you said 'lightest NSX' but did not specify the same for the FD. wink2.gif

Posted by: Tessou Apr 25 2013, 09:18 AM
Wikipedia is a good starting point, but quoting anything concrete from it is just asking for trouble.

Remember, Wikipedia is user-edited, which is not code for idiot-proof. wink2.gif

Posted by: Flinchy Apr 25 2013, 06:00 PM
QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ Today, 7:30 AM)
Kay kiddo. So since it's wikipedia, let's see where that particular section got its information from, shall we? Here we go...

...

...Funny! I don't see any references in that entire section. Now normally I'd just laugh in your face and tell you to get your facts straight, but I'm a generally intelligent fellow who has the bonus of being able to read Japanese, so I went and found an actual reliable source for that information:

http://www.honda.co.jp/news/1992/4921126.html

Which is a news posting Honda themselves put out back in 1992 announcing the Type R, stating that indeed, it's 1230 kg, 120 kg lighter than the 5MT NSX they had already put on the market. If Honda says that's what it is, then that's what it is. I hereby stand corrected and will edit my previous post.


The actual RX-7 forums with actual owners who actually got their vehicles weighed. The average weight came out to be about 2800 pounds. I'm sorry if that's not Wikipedia enough for you. And to be perfectly fair kiddo, you said 'lightest NSX' but did not specify the same for the FD. wink2.gif

it's not just wikipedia, if you have a deeper google:

if you have a read of the rx-7 forums, you'll find a LOT of people that have stripped down to 2300lb, and a handful that have gotten down to 2200lb

the bathurst r is a factory track-prepped rx-7 remember.. maybe you never got them in america, but we definitely have them here smile.gif

and @tessou - this is correct, but you know wikipedia has approximately the same critical error rate as encyclopedia dramatica? and peer reviewed scholarly articles are only edited by about TEN people, and written by ONE smile.gif

@banken

"Stock for the stock the NSX-R is much faster than an FD. The lightest FD is not 1050 kg. It's not even close. Well, unless you take the engine and transmission out."

according to rx-7 owners, it is...

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 25 2013, 06:20 PM
QUOTE (Flinchy @ 20 minutes, 14 seconds ago)
it's not just wikipedia, if you have a deeper google:

if you have a read of the rx-7 forums, you'll find a LOT of people that have stripped down to 2300lb, and a handful that have gotten down to 2200lb

the bathurst r is a factory track-prepped rx-7 remember.. maybe you never got them in america, but we definitely have them here smile.gif

Oh, I'm not disputing you there. What I'm telling you are the stock-for-stock numbers, because as I mentioned before you only mentioned the lightest NSX, not the lightest FD. wink2.gif

Posted by: Banken Apr 25 2013, 09:48 PM
QUOTE (Flinchy @ 3 hours, 48 minutes ago)
it's not just wikipedia, if you have a deeper google:

if you have a read of the rx-7 forums, you'll find a LOT of people that have stripped down to 2300lb, and a handful that have gotten down to 2200lb

the bathurst r is a factory track-prepped rx-7 remember.. maybe you never got them in america, but we definitely have them here smile.gif

and @tessou - this is correct, but you know wikipedia has approximately the same critical error rate as encyclopedia dramatica? and peer reviewed scholarly articles are only edited by about TEN people, and written by ONE smile.gif

@banken

"Stock for the stock the NSX-R is much faster than an FD. The lightest FD is not 1050 kg. It's not even close. Well, unless you take the engine and transmission out."

according to rx-7 owners, it is...

No stock FD ever weighed 2300 pounds. Even if you took the stereo, A/C, P/S, and ABS out it will still weigh in the 2500 range.

Posted by: Flinchy Apr 26 2013, 05:57 AM
QUOTE (Banken @ 8 hours, 8 minutes ago)
No stock FD ever weighed 2300 pounds. Even if you took the stereo, A/C, P/S, and ABS out it will still weigh in the 2500 range.

you should check the rx7 forums then, you know, like i did, and like i suggested

you'd be surprised! smile.gif

2500lb is stock weight for certain models, i said this at the start, and it's no BS...

"Oh, I'm not disputing you there. What I'm telling you are the stock-for-stock numbers, because as I mentioned before you only mentioned the lightest NSX, not the lightest FD.
"

i DID mention lightest FD man...

Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 26 2013, 10:59 AM
QUOTE (Flinchy @ 5 hours, 2 minutes ago)
i DID mention lightest FD man...

QUOTE (Midnight_Raven @ Apr 24 2013, 08:38 AM)
Flinchy: correction to one of your statements The stock RX7 is 223lbs lighter than the lightest NSX.


Oh really? derp.gif

EDIT: Oh wait, why are both of you arguing with me? Shouldn't one of you be against me and one of you for me? What happened to that? Why isn't anyone reading. laugh2.gif

Posted by: Midnight_Raven Apr 27 2013, 09:03 AM
QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ Apr 25 2013, 07:30 AM)
Kay kiddo. So since it's wikipedia, let's see where that particular section got its information from, shall we? Here we go...

...

...Funny! I don't see any references in that entire section. Now normally I'd just laugh in your face and tell you to get your facts straight, but I'm a generally intelligent fellow who has the bonus of being able to read Japanese, so I went and found an actual reliable source for that information:

http://www.honda.co.jp/news/1992/4921126.html

Which is a news posting Honda themselves put out back in 1992 announcing the Type R, stating that indeed, it's 1230 kg, 120 kg lighter than the 5MT NSX they had already put on the market. If Honda says that's what it is, then that's what it is. I hereby stand corrected and will edit my previous post.


The actual RX-7 forums with actual owners who actually got their vehicles weighed. The average weight came out to be about 2800 pounds. I'm sorry if that's not Wikipedia enough for you. And to be perfectly fair kiddo, you said 'lightest NSX' but did not specify the same for the FD. wink2.gif

Wow got something to prove much... if you read his original statement he said a stock FD is 300lbs compared to the lightest NSX. I just made the correction based of my knowledge of the NSX. But since you seem to have some chip on your shoulder I'll admit it, yep your right I was wrong quoting wiki cause I must be a noob.. rolleyes.gif Plus I'm not a kid so don't call me kiddo.

Don't let those 14K vs my measly single digit post count get to your head. lol

Flinchy,

I don't know much about the RX-7 although 2500 to me sounds extremely light for the FD, I originally thought it was like 2800lbs but I'm not a expert on the RX-7 so I'll take your word for it. Learned something new I guess.


Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 27 2013, 09:44 AM
Now I'm not sure which of you is which. It hurts a little. laugh2.gif Ah well. Whoever was comparing tuned cars to tuned cars have at it, since that's obviously what's going on in Initial D.

Whoever decided to compare a stock FD against the 'lightest NSX', that's nonsense but hopefully you were induldged.

So kiddies, 360-degree-moonwalking the hell outta here. Who's bad?

Posted by: E30Six Apr 27 2013, 04:44 PM
Why are you guys arguing / debating about the RX7's weight again? And.. removing the stereo and "ABS" to make the car lighter? Lmao? Wow.

Posted by: Klad123 Apr 27 2013, 04:49 PM
HAHA. Looks like I startled a wasp's nest. facepalm.gif

Note that Keisuke mentioned his FD is a Type R(at least) during battle with Kyoko.

Not sure if Go mentioned his was a "R" too.

Posted by: Banken Apr 28 2013, 03:41 AM
...Keisuke never said that. Unless you're talking about Arcade Stage, which doesn't count.

Posted by: Heibi Apr 28 2013, 08:50 PM
I have 11-12 done. Just waiting for my translator to respond to a couple questions.

Posted by: Taro Maki Apr 28 2013, 09:28 PM
QUOTE (Heibi @ 37 minutes, 30 seconds ago)
I have 11-12 done. Just waiting for my translator to respond  to a couple questions.

Did you fix the audio issue in episode 12 ?

Posted by: mike962 Apr 29 2013, 02:04 AM
QUOTE (Taro Maki @ 4 hours, 35 minutes ago)
Did you fix the audio issue in episode 12 ?

how is he supposed to fix it ? facepalm.gif whistling.gif

only fix is waiti for DVD rip in 3 months rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Heibi Apr 29 2013, 05:04 AM
QUOTE (Taro Maki @ 7 hours, 36 minutes ago)
Did you fix the audio issue in episode 12 ?

There was no way to fix it. So please be patient until the DVD version.

Posted by: nasaeepandai59 Apr 29 2013, 07:23 AM
So basically, we are going to see a heated battle between Shinji and Takumi.

SPOILER

Posted by: Heibi Apr 29 2013, 02:23 PM
QUOTE (mike962 @ Today, 4:04 AM)
how is he supposed to fix it ?  facepalm.gif  whistling.gif 

only fix is waiti for DVD rip in 3 months  rolleyes.gif

June 14th for Vol 6 (11-12)
July 12th for Vol 7 (13-14)


Just posted our 360p versions on nyaatorrents: http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=429026

Posted by: hackgrid May 1 2013, 03:48 AM
Great, thanks! smile.gif

Posted by: Perry May 1 2013, 11:29 AM
Added C-A's torrent link for Episode 11 - 12 to the first post. Thanks, Heibi and Central Anime! biggrin.gif

Posted by: sodasoda1 Jun 6 2013, 09:06 PM
Thanks for sharing!

Posted by: Heibi Jun 17 2013, 08:19 PM
Just uploaded the DVD versions of 11-12 to nyaatorrents.

http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=444007

Posted by: Perry Jun 17 2013, 08:22 PM
QUOTE (Heibi @ 2 minutes, 54 seconds ago)
Just uploaded the DVD versions of 11-12 to nyaatorrents.

http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=444007

Thank you, Heibi!! happy.gif Let me add the link to the OP!

Posted by: mike962 Jun 17 2013, 11:15 PM
THANKS

Posted by: astro2 Oct 30 2015, 03:05 AM
QUOTE (Heibi @ Jun 17 2013, 08:19 PM)
Just uploaded the DVD versions of 11-12 to nyaatorrents.

http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=444007

hi everyone new here smile.gif

um just a heads up the link is dead for the dvd for ep 12-13, can you reupload these if possible?

Posted by: xiao Oct 30 2015, 04:57 AM
QUOTE (astro2 @ 1 hour, 50 minutes ago)
hi everyone new here smile.gif

um just a heads up the link is dead for the dvd for ep 12-13, can you reupload these if possible?

Hai, maido~

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