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wow man you really think everything is a waste. well a corolla is a waste altogether then. everyone knows that. the 20v came with my car so i dont care. it has different characteristics than the 16. people do 16/20 swaps or 16v with 20v blacktop itbs. its all about what you want to do. 20v's are not a waste.

Very off topic. But 20v's aren't worth it.

You go ahead and fully build your motor.

You'll end up spending 10-20k for a 200-300hp motor. Where as I'll spend half of that on a boosted 16v and make MORE power than that. And way more reliably no less.

lol. i dont even want 300 hp. i will leave it with balance around 160.

and well tsuchiya has a blacktop in his gtv, and he does extremely well. cant argue with them im sure his mechanics know why more about the motors than we do.

one 4ag is not superior over the other, just different characteristics. thats all i have to say

Well last time I checked the 20v wasn't smog legal here in the states.

This post has been edited by sidewaysstarion on Aug 6 2009, 01:25 PM

you are correct. somehwat.
all i have to comment on that is that my car was just registered for 2010.

This post has been edited by xsleepydrifterx on Aug 6 2009, 01:47 PM

but the topic is about making your car faster while keeping it smog legel. if you got pulled over and they checked you hood you would get a nice fat ticket.

Yoshida, i have to say- i STRONGLY disagree with you. Not worth it? In what sense? Without hook ups and some smart shopping you can get a 20v swapped in for about 1k. You will be hard pressed to get an na 16v to perform on the level of a stock 20v (In the neighborhood if 130-140 whp) for only 1000 bucks. Plus i have the nice advantage of running stock electronics, vvt, meaning i can daily it easily and still get damn near 40 mpg. Unless of course youre talking about boosting a 16v, or were keeping on topic and talking about street legal goodness, but thats a different can of worms. Maybe you brought this up elsewhere however and i missed it (in which case i apologize), but your blunt statement of "a 20v isnt worth it"? Meh.

Can you cite some sources for this? Or hell, even a hypothetical build up and expected price list? Because 10-20k for 200 hp- im claiming utter bull shit on this one.

This post has been edited by sideways on Aug 6 2009, 07:21 PM

I'm pretty sure I mentioned the 16v was boosted.

I don't do any of that NA shit.

At any rate, I will be posting up my 16v build here pretty soon. So you guys can see everything then.

Ya.. well... im a lazy reader at times Thats different, like knives and stabbing weapons.