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WARNING: This is a thread about sexual relations and information surrounding said topic, so it carries with it the flag of NSFW. This is not a thread for or about pornography. You want a fanfic about Keisuke and Nakazato going twosies in the bushes after a race? Google it. Don't read this thread looking for that kind of material.

Are you still reading this thread? Congratulations! Hopefully this means you're not socially and/or sexually repressed enough to complain that this triggered your sheltered feelings, and are willing to engage in discussion about a "taboo" subject that is as normal as breathing or eating or farting. EDIT: your complaining led to an impulsive move without team discussion. HAPPY?

Hey, I'm no Dr. Laura when it comes to telling people how to have successful relationships through Jesus and anti-feminism, but I know there's an assload of people that haven't tasted the middle of the proverbial tootsie pop. That, or they have but had a difficult or unfortunate time getting to it. I'm talking about SEX, in case you're still lost. Now that you hopefully have a (lady)boner, let's get you loaded up with all of the tips and tricks you need to know to get a 5-star rating with your significant other (or fling, or FWB, or whatever).

Feel free to chime in, IDW. This is a casual thread.

The first round of bulbous tips will be preliminary strikes to keep you at the top of your game, giving you the best chance of having your undercarriage serviced and lubed by another human.

TIP #1: Brush your fucking teeth. Take a bath. Wear deodorant. I cannot stress how much this matters. You, by nature, cannot smell yourself. You are immune to your own smell and taste so you can better perceive others. This means that you do not know how bad your fucking breath and pits smell if you're not taking care of yourself. They will know immediately as soon as your mouth opens near them. Enjoyed that garlic pesto shrimp you had for lunch? They don't. Get in the habit of brushing your teeth after meals or anything particularly pungent like garlic or onions enters your gob. Use mouthwash. 60 seconds of Biotene makes a world of difference. Use a sonic toothbrush if you can afford it, as it is vastly more efficient than a traditional toothbrush. "If your teeth feel gritty, don't put em on a titty." Take a shower at least every other day, and scrub the living shit out of the naughty areas. Your nethers are the hottest part of your body, and a day hidden behind layers of clothing makes it a goddamn swamp that smells just as bad. Guess what? Everybody's shit stinks. Even Perry's, although his smells like garlic butter for some reason. Wipe your ass. Wash it. If your underwear has streaks, you're doing it wrong (unless you gambled on a fart and lost, in which case you need to wash off and get a new pair). Do I need to even mention that you should be wearing clean clothes?

TIP #2: Get tested. Go to a clinic, Planned Parenthood, a physician, anywhere that will perform an STD test on your love tackle. Give your mate the peace of mind that you're not carrying any free gifts that come with the experience of you two swapping fluids. Yes, it's not a fun process, and it's not entirely comfortable, but it will save you plenty of grief down the line, even if you're 100% sure you're not carrying anything. A doctor's note is a stamp of unf-unf-unf-proval to have your shit played with by other people without worry. Get tested regularly, unless you're settled with somebody and you know you're both clean (or unclean and have it under control).

TIP #3: Get some protection. I know, I know, you've got a raging sex drive and you want to dive right in, but take two seconds and think about this realistically. Sex is messy. You've got a lot going on down there. There are a lot of fluids being transferred from the very start. Even "just the tip" can cause problems from UTIs to full-on pregnancy if you're uninformed, uncaring and unprepared. "Oh, but Sexmaster Tessou, there are so many kinds! Which one is right for me?" Young padawan learner, with patience, you can surmount the following basic list and have a better idea of what works for you.

  • CONDOMS: Media likes to use the image of a guy carring a condom in his wallet. Don't do that. They get mangled that way. Buy one of the little boxes (3-pack) if you choose to use condoms, and bring it with you for your date, or keep them close to wherever you intend to do business. As for brands, Trojan is king, period. They make quality meat sheets that will shield you from STDs and babies. Never buy Durex. Don't trust anything somebody hands you for free (Planned Parenthood ones are, oddly, not good). Cheapies have a high tendency to snap with enough friction. If it's not latex, don't buy it. Learn to put it on properly, practice on a cucumber/banana/actual penis. Read and heed the expiration date. It is not uncommon to have a frustrating time trying to open the wrapper, so practice nipping a corner (not into the package!) with your teeth to get a solid tear point. Many a boner has been lost due to missing "the window" trying to open the goddamn wrapper. Speaking of teeth, if you want to try the "she/he puts it on with their mouth" routine, be sure to note if the condom is lubricated or not. The lube most companies use tends to have an unpleasant taste and a numbing effect if ingested. It won't numb the ol' pud, though, so don't worry. If they manage to succeed in putting it on with their mouth, be sure to give them applause and a $5.
  • PULLING OUT: I know, they do this in porn a lot, but it carries an insane amount of risk due to many factors like poor timing, bad positioning making it difficult to perform, the woman intentionally fucking you over to extort 18 years of child support from you, etc. Besides, porn actresses are almost always on some form of birth control anyway, so even if they fuck it up, the risk is low. That said, if she's on birth control and you trust that she is, fire away. If you're still anxious to do this even when the risk is high, do it as soon as you get "the signal" that missiles are about to fire. Every second out of the danger zone is precious when you're firing live rounds.
  • THE PILL: Keep on schedule with the pill, and you're looking at a 0.3% chance of pregnancy. Miss a day or two every month, and that potential jumps to 9%. The pill is cheap and effective, but it requires the discipline to stay on it.
  • CIC: The injection. CycloProvera, Lunelle, Novafem, among others. This is a per-month injection that has a 0.2% failure rate at worst. Relatively cheap, at roughly $30 per shot. Good if you don't mind needles.
  • DPMA: Also known as Depot (Depot Medroxyprogesterone Acetate). Just like the CIC, except it's good for three months and costs $50. Again, great solution if you don't mind getting a shot in the arm.
  • DIAPHRAGM: Ladies need to go to a doctor to have one prescribed, as they are unique to each person. From my experience working with these, they are a pain in the ass to "install" and are not entirely comfortable for the woman in some cases. They can be used across multiple sessions in a 24 hour period before requiring removal and cleaning, so they are convenient.
  • RINGS: Not talking about cock rings, or what Sonic uses to get extra lives. I'm talking about the vaginal ring. Typically known as Nuvaring due to the brand popularity (to the point that it's akin to Band Aids = adhesive bandages). This is a monthly deal that does all the work for you with minimal discomfort and "install" time. Risk of pregnancy is as low as injections, without the pain of a needle. This is our chosen method and it's worked flawlessly for four years now. They typically cost $90 each, but there are many methods of obtaining them free of charge. If you have insurance, talk to your healthcare provider or Planned Parenthood to get that set up.
  • ABSTINENCE: Otherwise known as "not having sex". What are you, a nun? Repressed? Why are you reading this thread?!


TIP #4: Are you planning to have some sex in the near future? STOP JACKING OFF. I'd be rich if I made a commission for every time I said this to would-be sufferers of erectile dysfunction. Stop. Jacking. Off. Your shit is going to lose sensitivity if you keep doing that. You will be too used to the pressure and feel of your hand or whatever toys or objects you're using to get off by yourself to be fully invested in what your partner brings to the table. "I can't feel anything" is a red flag that immediately tells me that you've been jacking off. Give it a rest. Even a day off of dating yourself can make a difference. If you're getting regular sex (that is, more than once per week), either stop jacking off or keep it to a minimum. Establish an off-day and use that as a day to pamper yourself... in moderation. I know, it sounds crazy, but you will thank me later. I accept Paypal.

MORE TIPS BUBBLING AT THE HEAD, STAY TUNED. Until then, the floor is yours, IDW. What are your hot tips for playing the game and netting a goal? What's your pregame preparation? How do you heat things up? How do you cool down? What's your headspace like?

Next set of tips will involve... PREGAME! That's the preparation, the foreplay, the fun before the fun. You have to warm up the engine before you hit the gas...
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Since we're on the subject of condoms, jack off a hour before the big game (tesso will complain, but he's married) after a successful quick time sequence that leads the date to the bedroom, you'll become porn star status in the endurance section. And unless they prefer 5-10 minutes (10 being the rare occasion) of what you can normally offer, then ignore this extra tip.

And yes, 5 minutes is the so called "baseline" of the typical males sexual endurance before orgasm.


Also, foreplay, more so you're turn to go down on her (thank you Nina Hartley and Ginger Lynn) don't go right in for the kill, actually explore her down there, the female area is extremely sensitive not just at one spot, work the lips (from the girls I spoke to hey call me outer lips and inner lips) work the flesh around it (little love bites, running your fingers around or even on her inner thighs will excite her) and LISTEN to what she tells you, if she says go a little harder, do it, she knows her spots. Also, the clit, give that attention after you've got her going, going in on it right away desensitizes her and the magic vanishes.


Oh, do figure 8s, ABCs on her, work on it to see what if her body reacts differently to it. And her hands, if she's pushing you down on her down there, means to go at it harder, she's pulling or backing away, means to slow yourself, but again, don't be afraid to ask before or during it, better she knows you're into it and want her happy than her knowing you're just doing it to keep her from bugging you about not loving her the same way she loves you. biggrin.gif
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Posted: May 13 2016, 07:51 AM


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On the flip side, if you aren't jacking off every day, and you know you're going to get some later, rubbing one out with Jill in the AM can ensure you last longer for your partner. But again, moderation is key.

If you spank your dick every day for months and then throw a condom on it to get the real thing, it's gonna take you a while... And not in a good way. Ask me how I know. laugh2.gif

EDIT: LOL, APX beat me to it.

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QUOTE (Spaz @ 7 minutes, 3 seconds ago)


EDIT: LOL, APX beat me to it.

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QUOTE (APX @ 2 hours, 41 minutes ago)
Since we're on the subject of condoms, jack off a hour before the big game (tesso will complain, but he's married) after a successful quick time sequence that leads the date to the bedroom, you'll become porn star status in the endurance section.

I can't really complain as it's just a tip, not a command. I understand how your suggestion works, but my question regarding it is: are you doing it to completion or not? You can boost your endurance in the short term and keep your bazooka-like money shot power if you stop yourself just short of climax. All of the benefits, none of the drawbacks.

Condoms will always be the cheapest method that isn't abstinence. I will say that none of the brands out there come anywhere close to feeling "like you're wearing nothing at all". Even Trojan Super Thins.

As for polishing the cherry, you can use teeth if you're careful. It works wonders in the right spots.
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That's why I put love bites in that section, but only if she seems cool with it (Again, don't be afraid to ask her/tell her you'll do it and you can stop if she's not comfortable)

And for the choking the chicken part, I'd say to completion, because if it's a first date/second date/whatever date and you already have a feeling you'll be getting some, she won't matter about the amount of white paint, since it'll be in a trash bag by the time it's over.

NOW if it's more of a 'we're both okay going rawdog' then maybe almost to that completion, but I haven't tried that yet.


And ass smacking: You can either ask or just go for a love tap like how girls give that playful punch on your arm if you're bullshitting with them. But if she's full blown into ass smacking, remember to always rub after every smack/how ever many smacks you give her in that time, and always go for the center of the cheek, you don't wanna hit the wrong spot, then it'll really hurt and no more fun. crying2.gif



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Eh, some people like to see how much there is in the bag as a showcase of virility. If nobody cares, fire away. laugh.gif

If she won't do raw dog, I tell her "naw, dog". awesome.gif

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I'll just be over here with Asa Akira... whistling.gif
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AP does not stand for "assault penis", xiao!
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QUOTE (Tessou)
Stop. Jacking. Off. Your shit is going to lose sensitivity if you keep doing that.

So that's the reason why fapping after some days of resting feel so amazing. awesome.gif
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Yes! Moderation is key to your sexual health. This also applies to sexual intercourse. Too much in a short period of time can cause chafing, urinary tract infections (note: not from fapping), and intense soreness. While the urge to go at it like rabbits is enticing, it is a bad idea.

Note that cases of self-diagnosed erectile dysfunction have been increasing as internet speeds increase over the years... totally no correlation between the two. Nope. None at all.
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Speaking of turtle wax: lubrication. Don't use oil based lube (which is typically difficult to find in most adult shops) as it will degrade latex condoms very quickly. They are also a pain to deal with when you're all done. That said, buy water based lubricant and don't go crazy with it. You seriously only need a little bit to grease the pole and/or door. I'm talking about a drop or two on a fingertip. The shit spreads quite well.

Water based lube is great, but water itself is not. As neat as "sex in the shower" sounds, water is a terrible lubricant and will fuck you up quicker than a hiccup. It can grind an otherwise heated session to a painful halt when it creates overwhelming friction everywhere you (and they) don't want it. PORN LIES TO YOU. If they're fucking in the bathtub or shower, the guy is either heavily shellacked with lube or they're faking it.

EDIT: Ceci tells me there's a brand called "Eros" that is a silicone based lube specifically meant for having fun in the bath or shower. You learn something new every day.

Here's a tip that applies to everything: TALK ABOUT IT. You don't know what they like and dislike unless you ask and discuss. Do they like watching porn before or even during? Would they be open to watching together? Are there any positions they have issues with? What about their preferences for the "explosive finish" in terms of where it should happen? Lights on or off? Music? Locale? Any fetishes you should know about? Get it out there in the open to avoid unpleasant surprises later on when you're already in too deep to abort the mission.

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Xiao I can never figure out when you're lying or telling the truth, so I just won't ask for fear of knowing the real answers. laugh2.gif

Can't comment much on this topic, except to say that the don't-fap-beforehand is absolutely true and that another aspect is to devote yourself to enjoying your time together with whoever for what it is. If you're stressed about some shit you have to do later that day or whatever, you're not gonna be able to have nearly as much fun and might even end up not being able to perform up to spec. Sexy times falls under the category of 'fuck it' moments. It's you, your partner(s), and gettin' jiggy with it. Fuck off everything else until you've had your fill, then you can go back to worrying about your life. True story.
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And I'm onboard with everybody else, not sure if xiaocow is saying a story or a fact lol. ZEE CONFUSING XIAO
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Guys, is your "little friend" not performing up to snuff? Getting tired easily? He only stays hugeified for two minutes before devolving into half mast?

Let's find the cause. What are you eating and drinking? What drugs (prescription or otherwise) are you taking? What about exercise? Are you sitting on your ass reading threads all day and listening to non-mainstream music like all the cool kids do? Are you actually going outside and putting some work in to keep your body in decent shape?

If you are putting a lot of sugar into your body, that's a serious problem. You're going to hit your peak and slow down very fast. Soda is a major culprit. If you drink a lot of soda, especially caffeinated ones (which cause all sorts of other problems), try to slow down and limit consumption if you can't stop altogether. There is a difference between natural and added sugar. Fruit sugars, for instance, are not bad for you and you can eat all you want, so buy a bushel of apples and enjoy the natural energy without all of the excess calories.

Try to exercise for at least 30 minutes every day. You don't need to lift 300lbs or run 10 miles. Just get your body used to the stress of exercise and increase your regimen as you can. A fit body has endurance. I personally do an intense amount of biking and weight training for five days, then two days of rest.

How much sleep are you getting? Are you staying up super late? Try to create a consistent schedule for sleep so you're not confusing your body. You can exhaust yourself very easily just by messing around with your sleep schedule.
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I have no problems with staying up for half hour or longer, since i'm a bombing run/runs. biggrin.gif
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Sure, but what about using it for that long?
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I can't stress the importance of flirting and foreplay enough, especially when it comes to being in a relationship with females . It doesn't always begin and end in the bedroom. There are many actions that fall into this category.

This I tell you from experience. Having been together with Tessou for nearly five years, we're still quite attracted to each other. We are a married couple that frequently engages in the "fundamentals" more times in one week than some American couples do in an ENTIRE YEAR.

Tessou does a wonderful job in making me feel like a woman. Like HIS woman. He opens doors for me, carries heavy loads wink2.gif , drives me everywhere, makes certain I am always comfortable during inclement weather, and he puts me first.

Too, he flirts with me, gives surreptitious wide-eyed stares at my chest while out shopping and when I notice, we giggle with each other and exchange knowing glances.

In public we hug a lot and kiss each other either on the mouth or cheek or forehead and hold hands or I simply take his arm. (One year, at the state fair, a lady came up to us and said, "Awww, you guys are the cutest couple!")

Andrew protects me from destructive and idiotic people. For example, he knows his family isn't the greatest to be around. He maintains minimal contact with them and doesn't allow them to come around our home.

Anyway...

While we ladies enjoy spontaneous sex sessions, we also want and need to feel emotionally connected. If you give your woman that, she'll be more open to your sexual needs and desires and be eager to please you as well!

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Best tip is to leave your performance anxiety and nervous tendencies at the door before going for gold or the erection you built up goes flaccid.

The erection is a very important part of the baby making (or simulating) equation. So the best tip I will leave is make sure your heart is healthy, it is a directly related relationship health heart = healthy and strong boner.

To increase your heart health here are my tips

- Regular cardio
- Omega 3 oils
- red and other dark berries like blue berries

to promote regular blood flow to the "area"

-flex the pelvic wall muscles regularly the ones you pee with.
- If you are into weights go for kettle bell squats.


For sperm health take some zinc supplements

Keep this up regularly and you'll start having erections of steel biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (Metamorphic @ Today, 6:47 AM)
Best tip is to leave your performance anxiety and nervous tendencies at the door before going for gold or the erection you built up goes flaccid.

The erection is a very important part of the baby making (or simulating) equation. So the best tip I will leave is make sure your heart is healthy, it is a directly related relationship health heart = healthy and strong boner.

To increase your heart health here are my tips

- Regular cardio
- Omega 3 oils
- red and other dark berries like blue berries

to promote regular blood flow to the "area"

-flex the pelvic wall muscles regularly the ones you pee with.
- If you are into weights go for kettle bell squats.


For sperm health take some zinc supplements

Keep this up regularly and you'll start having erections of steel biggrin.gif


Metamorphic, yes those tips are fantastic and will ensure the cervix feels like it's been punched by diamond-hard penis when it shoots it's love juice at 25 mph! (This can also happen when you agree to abstain from sex to increase desire and sensitivity or merely recover from too much love-making in a short period of time.)

I have found that lower body exercises such as squats and lower core work do really help with strengthening those pelvic floor muscles! Orgasms are much stronger and last longer. It's amazing!

If the ladies wish to develop a more vice-like grip, work those kegels. biggrin.gif

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The porn industry doesnt show you that sex is more a mental exercise than physical. When I first began I wasn't very good was too nervous and go flaccid or blow early. If you can overcome your mental blocks and stop thinking how you are holding up then you will be able to last longer than you can imagine. Ok blocks aside and you are functioning normally, you can rely on your arousal levels and signs to extend the pleasure for your partner.

There are a four stages until your reach the point of no return

1. Arousal
2. Increased breathing
3. Increased sensitivity. bloodflow and reddening of the knob and finally tightening of the ball sack
4. Blow your load

Actually if you can pay attention to the signals your body is sending you you can control your breathing by deep exhaling. You can minimise your arousal and let if build up again and continue cycling between phase 2 and 3 before you finally choose to go to Phase 4. However if you think that you can lead all the time then you are wrong hahaha. I find that when I extend my partners feedback will be more vigorous, it is also possible for your partner to outdo you and you go through the arousal stages faster than you can extend.

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QUOTE (xiao @ Yesterday, 5:32 AM)
Sooo ~ we have 3 married guys on the forums:

Tessou (Sex God) | expert with the Tess and the Ohhh's!! ~ ohmy.gif

Meta (Fitness God) | expert with his Peter North level Gundam Seed!! ~ awesome.gif

Perry (Coder God) | expert with his 600 wpm touch-typing fingerz!! ~ shifty2.gif

★  ????

...I hope you realize there's more married guys then that. At least one more. whistling.gif

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I have some complaints and statements to add.

1. Dr Laura's show is a secular show. She reminds people of this as needed.

2. Sex isn't sinful, for some, in the correct context. (Sex is good and a gift from G-d. That's my belief.)

3. Sex is a fantastic pain reliever.

4. You don't have to be a particular age to discuss this topic with maturity. I've been learning about sex since I was at least five years old. It was discussed openly in my family in the language appropriate for my age.

5. I'm glad this topic was brought up. Some parents don't teach their own children about sex enough, or at all. Some learn what they know from friends, movies, or television. For example, some girls believe they can't get pregnant the first time they have vaginal sex.

Also, there was a study that concluded that the more female partners a straight man has had, the less respect he has for women. Interesting.

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Posted: May 19 2016, 09:33 PM


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Alls I can add from my personal experience is that the stronger and deeper your relationship is with your partner, the better connection and more enjoyment you're gonna have in the bedroom

Especially communication-wise, tell her what you like and listen to what she says she likes.

Also besides the pocket pool guys can do before hooking up with their bae and lasting longer doing the deed, I find playing sport or some physical activity earlier in the day helps me with lasting longer. Say a gym session, or pick up game of basketball, etc
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WELCOME BACK.

I'm going to say this right off of the bat: this thread is permanent and won't be moved or closed. Education is an important topic and it can only serve to better the lives of the membership. Is it sometimes demonstrated in a humorous, cheeky, and/or lewd light? Yes. Here's another fact: the human brain remembers things that trigger the "offended" and "embarrassing" areas of the brain far more easily than the general learning areas. That said, this has always been labeled with many big fat red warnings as explicitly not a place for members to talk in graphic detail about pornographic or otherwise "crossing the line" material. This is sex education, plain and simple, even if sex is not a simple subject to discuss. I believe that some members did not recognize this aspect of the thread, instead choosing to hammer the living shit out of my inboxes on the basis that the topic existing in any form, without having even read the contents, is an affront to the continued existence of the forum and damages the minds of the membership. I disagree wholly. Cecilia disagrees quite vocally. A lot of you guys have asked me why I removed it from the forum, convinced me that it was only pandering to the opposition to do so, and drove me to reverse the decision after things cooled off.

So, to those that want to bitch and complain that we're allowing "lewd content" on IDW: I'm sorry you feel that way. Things are not going to reverse course to appease a small group of protesters. The staff are in lockstep as to this being an acceptable topic for discussion. I will no longer be entertaining negative commentary sent to my various inboxes demanding that this shit be removed "or else we're leaving". If you cannot handle discussion about sex, and that is a fulcrum upon which your very membership pivots, your decision is ultimately yours to make. The staff's decision is to let this happen, and that will not be changing. I'm going to get off of the soapbox and resume the discussion now.

Thank you for being patient, guys and gals. Let's talk about sex.

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Okay, let's throw a wrench in that equation. Do you perform any or all of the above activities (especially question #4) while in a steady relationship? Do you think it harms or helps your relationship, including extra credit activities in the bedroom? Does your partner approve of it? I wanna know! Cecilia wants to know! Class is in session, folks. Raise your hand and talk about it, and we'll get a group discussion going about this topic.
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