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Posted by: TruNinja619 Jan 27 2013, 01:30 AM
I tried searching for this topic, but couldn't find it.

IMO, i think it's his adaptability to the race environment/conditions in real time and able to make the adjustments on-the-fly to beat out his opponents/capitalize on their mistakes.

Thoughts?


Posted by: keg11 Jan 27 2013, 03:09 AM
Well, its a combination of various things that make up the Fujiwara Zone.

Fundamentally, it based on his unique compatibility with his Eight-Six. It's a given that driving the one car at racing speeds every day for 6 years would definitely allow you to control that car to its limits, and due to the basic architecture and (initially) low power of the Eight-Six, Takumi already had the makings of a natural racer that can handle a car as effortlessly as moving his hands and feet.

But with the addition of racing strategies and techniques he learnt whilst with Project D has increased his skill exponentially, creating a very unique, touge-only driving style (my theory of his aura wings).

His god-given driving style, couples with Ryosuke's teachings, as revealed the Fujiwara Zone.

P.S.
SPOILER

Posted by: Saxifrage Jan 28 2013, 04:46 AM
Well apparently you're asking what is Fujiwara Zone in our own opinions.

To me,it's his ability to fully control his AE86 in any kind of condition.
He can know when will his car skid,how to make it stop sliding,when to accelerate etc. Pretty much anything. Then there's the
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If you're asking how do I feel about it..
Mixed feelings. I think it's actually pretty cool. The way the anime expressed "Fujiwara Zone" was also okay.
But it's absurd. We going from quite-realistic First Stage to exceeding mortality Fifth Stage.Maybe the next thing we see will be Takumi's 86 flying on the road. derp.gif

Posted by: Saint Jan 28 2013, 05:49 AM
A deus ex machina to win races when he's obviously screwed, including divine interventions. laugh.gif

Posted by: minicar Jan 28 2013, 06:22 AM
Fujiwara Zone = fast entering speed + change it into cornering speed with any of loss + controling of 86 + nice counter steer + put a full throttle in earlier time.

Or even by Hidariyashi(left foot) Braking, Zero counter (magic) drift....

Posted by: Soran Jan 28 2013, 06:23 AM
Fujiwara Zone = Shigeno having an overdose of his daily weed intake

Posted by: Tessou Jan 28 2013, 06:46 AM
QUOTE (Soran @ 22 minutes, 27 seconds ago)
Fujiwara Zone = Shigeno having an overdose of his daily weed intake

I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message.

Posted by: Yengeto Jan 28 2013, 05:59 PM
QUOTE (Soran @ Today, 6:23 AM)
Fujiwara Zone = Shigeno having an overdose of his daily weed intake

Best reply so far...

Posted by: dragoon20005 Jan 29 2013, 08:23 PM
YOUTUBE ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&list=UUR4oNAQj4dfu_pIojYLoebA&v=mXDFBqWnG6Q&feature=endscreen )



I noticed something when i was re-watching the Live Action movie version of Initial D


if you guys look at 6 min point of the video, it kinda look like Fujiwara Zone in action

"now you see him, then poof, he already at the next bend."

Posted by: HyperSonic Jan 30 2013, 06:35 AM
I do believe it is the Fujiwara Zone on the video....

Posted by: Pipenocl Jan 30 2013, 03:15 PM
QUOTE (Soran @ Jan 28 2013, 06:23 AM)
Fujiwara Zone = Shigeno having an overdose of his daily weed intake

QUOTE (Yengeto @ Jan 28 2013, 05:59 PM)
Best reply so far...


True. I also would say that Shigeno just went to high on weed awesome.gif awesome.gif

Posted by: HyperSonic Jan 30 2013, 06:17 PM
QUOTE (Pipenocl @ 3 hours, 2 minutes ago)


True. I also would say that Shigeno just went to high on weed awesome.gif awesome.gif

Or he forgot his daily doze. And he is acting so weird because of it....

Posted by: kyshro Jan 30 2013, 06:25 PM
I prefer a more realistic Initial D (I dont like the "aura or Fujiwara Zone" thing) but meh.. I guess it's entertaining!

Posted by: mune89 Jan 30 2013, 07:36 PM
lol @ 'Fujiwara Zone = Shigeno having an overdose of his daily weed intake'

Posted by: ItsHenryYay Jan 30 2013, 10:23 PM
Shinego ran out of ideas... That explains the weed.

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Posted by: Bomevo Feb 2 2013, 08:19 AM
Lol. Daily dose of weed is the perfect explanation.
To add to it, Fujiwara zone is the moments when Shigeno goes WTF! I'm high as shit!
And that is what Fujiwara Zone is, The WTF to the readers and the racers in the manga!

Posted by: j-n-r Feb 3 2013, 06:25 AM
I dislike the concept of the fujiwara zone because is like it doesnt affect the tyres grip...

I have an idea of something like that (a faster pace in race) because sim racing, you can go faster but your tyres will be done faster too...it depends of how many laps you will be in the track, I think the race between the supra and the fd complete the concept of tyres managament.


Posted by: Toneh83 Feb 4 2013, 03:08 PM
I think I pretty much agree with what everyone here has said. Fujiwara Zone only has a real place in maybe fatigue credibility? In the sense of maybe if you could envision what they are going through in the race and put it into real life scenarios. I've been driving in mountains before (I live in California) and there are times where my eyes and mind play tricks on me when I get crazy and open it up. Regardless on how I feel physically and mentally. In terms of them not fully paying attention to what they are doing because they are watching Fujiwara. Even as going as far as laying off the gas even slightly could give the illusion he was cornering faster if he indeed maintained a constant speed. Though I suppose that too is even a stretch to portray and for me to even assume.

Posted by: Filphil Feb 4 2013, 06:21 PM
If you think about it this way maybe it would be more believable and, possibly, applicable to real life.

First assume two things:
1. We can assume that the current string of opponents(where the zone is revealed) are VERY HIGH LEVEL.
2. Because they are that extraordinary, we can also assume that they can properly gauge the speed of their opponents abilities and cars.

Fujiwara zone can be put, very simply, as an unexpected display of speed. What the opponent expects is not what their eyes are seeing and thus gives off the illusion that the ae86 is pulling away in a teleporting or blinking fashion.

Posted by: Yengeto Feb 4 2013, 06:39 PM
QUOTE (j-n-r @ Yesterday, 6:25 AM)
I dislike the concept of the fujiwara zone because is like it doesnt affect the tyres grip...

I have an idea of something like that (a faster pace in race) because sim racing, you can go faster but your tyres will be done faster too...it depends of how many laps you will be in the track, I think the race between the supra and the fd complete the concept of tyres managament.

That's correct, if you try harder in the corners it will affect your tyres directly...But the Fujiwara Zone have wings don't need tyres...

BTW I'm from DR too...Cool to see some ppl from here...

Posted by: Toneh83 Feb 4 2013, 08:27 PM
QUOTE (Filphil @ 2 hours, 5 minutes ago)
If you think about it this way maybe it would be more believable and, possibly, applicable to real life.

First assume two things:
1. We can assume that the current string of opponents(where the zone is revealed) are VERY HIGH LEVEL.
2. Because they are that extraordinary, we can also assume that they can properly gauge the speed of their opponents abilities and cars.

Fujiwara zone can be put, very simply, as an unexpected display of speed. What the opponent expects is not what their eyes are seeing and thus gives off the illusion that the ae86 is pulling away in a teleporting or blinking fashion.

This applies to one and two..


Naturally. But they are still human. The best of the best make mistakes, even if they are minor. What we've seen is even minor mistakes can lead to downfalls in the series.
Otherwise I can't comprehend his display of speed. So what is it, if his speed isn't what they expect it to be visually? I cant think of a reason other than it being...


The Fujiwara Zone is both, the best of the best making errors when observing Takumi and whether it be physical or by their honed racing intuition or Takumi taking his level even further then the best while not making any mistakes himself.


Theory. I love it. Lol.

Posted by: Filphil Feb 5 2013, 11:29 AM
I really only rationalize the way I do because people are looking for realism. That's the most logical way for me to see it.

Yes, it can be interpreted as an error in judgement for Takumi's opponent. On the flip side it can also be considered that Takumi's abilities far surpasses their imaginations so we agree on this. I'm sure many people have experienced a phenomena like my theory of fujiwara zone in real life albeit not exclusive to cars/racing.

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Posted by: HyperSonic Feb 6 2013, 05:24 PM
Well let's try to clarify things, we are talking about the illusion displayed in the anime wherein the Trueno warps away on corners (it can be during the entry, or the apex, or the exit).

If this is what we are talking about here, let's try to call it a different name as to clear all the confusions. I'll call it MIRAGE here in my reply....

The MIRAGE can be explained as FilPhil has said, but it only happens when Takumi is in the ZONE hence the (FUJIWARA ZONE) name. Therefore the MIRAGE illusion can only exist under certain conditions (just like what FilPhil has explained) and in addition Takumi should be leading to accomplish the illusion, but (I think) the Fujiwara zone has been there ever since first stage...
Let me explain.....

Fujiwara Zone is Takumi's perfect racing condition which can only be achieved if:
1) Takumi is using the best racing line in the race. Thus
2) Takumi corners faster than the opponent.
This explains the speed and to explain the opponents seeing something they do not expect is:
1) Fujiwara drives an 86 (usually under powered compared to his opponent's car). Thus
2) The opponent expects to keep up with him easily (or outrun him in Keisuke's case on first stage) but they can't.

Therefore fujiwara zone is when the opponent can't explain why they are being left behind or being pushed by an underpowered 86; and the resulting MIRAGE illusion only occurs when Takumi is leading.

(I don't know if I have laid my opinion persuasively but this is what I think) facepalm.gif

Posted by: Banken Feb 6 2013, 11:57 PM
Basically it's Shigeno's way of making up a reason that Takumi is usually slow enough to possibly lose and fast enough to always win whenever required by the story.

Posted by: drmatt001 Feb 13 2013, 09:25 PM
When I first watched the Fujiwara zone in Ep 3-4 I became very frustrated.
I had no idea what was going on, after some weeks of re watching and pondering this is what I've concluded:

- The warping away is only in the eye of the opponent

-Takumi has been training adapting Godarm's "perfect drift", focusing on full use of tyre's maximum grip, multiple/dynamic lines etc..

-Fujiwara zone only happens in his trueno..

-Takumi's skill and feel in the trueno is touching on godlike perfection and is now breaking the conventional physics as:

-Takumi has bridged past theoretical lines with shear human ability and feel/control for the trueno.

-Keiske first mentions he spotted it during training with takumi, I believe this was accidental on takumi's part, he was just incredibly focused and in a very fast rythem/tempo.

-Fujiwara zone only happens supposedly in a very fast rythem of corners and/or takumi increases the rythem whilst exiting.

SO

-During ep 4:
SPOILER


During ep 8:
SPOILER


Because what is perfection in motorsports?

This is what i think Shingeno is trying to say.

Initial D captivated me with the thoughts of what really is theoretically capable in a car...now it's saying push furthur!

and to me thats what it's all about.

Open to criticism facepalm.gif rolleyes.gif


Posted by: Banken Feb 13 2013, 10:33 PM
The last episode of anime made it make more sense, because it could be explained that
SPOILER

Posted by: Metamorphic Feb 16 2013, 02:30 AM
the exhaust of the 86 is laced with neurotoxins.... the toxins are sucked through the opponents air conditioning and/or turbo chargers and after a decent amount of exposure the opponent sees some serious trippy sh*t that my friends is the Fujiwara zone

Posted by: THE_HONDA_CG2 Feb 17 2013, 09:04 PM
QUOTE (Metamorphic @ Yesterday, 3:30 AM)
the exhaust of the 86 is laced with neurotoxins.... the toxins are sucked through the opponents air conditioning and/or turbo chargers and after a decent amount of exposure the opponent sees some serious trippy sh*t that my friends is the Fujiwara zone

And this my friends... Is the answer. Everything makes sense now! We all know Takumi's secret! laugh2.gif

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Posted by: matter1387 Mar 16 2013, 08:42 PM
QUOTE (TruNinja619 @ Jan 27 2013, 02:30 AM)
I tried searching for this topic, but couldn't find it.

IMO, i think it's his adaptability to the race environment/conditions in real time and able to make the adjustments on-the-fly to beat out his opponents/capitalize on their mistakes.

Thoughts?

It is something that he can do because of how long he has been driving in the touge racing style. Drift 1000 corners, you are pretty much 1000x better than you were the first time you did it. After long enough you completely realize how to do something better in the process of doing it. Like imagine its like sword fighting, you have battled so much, and trained so much, that now instead of just attack and defend, you can start the motion of an attack or defense, then in mid motion, switch it into something else than planned to make it the best possible outcome for you, like realizing during a defense move your opponent has an opening and dodging and attacking that instead of of just a block like you had originally thought.

This all comes with the ability to break the action you are doing down into something that you can see in some sort of a slow motion would be the best way to describe it. Analyzing how you are doing basically and then adjusting accordingly. He can take a corner, and start off and then realize that at a certain point, he can alter something to exit it faster. It is something that comes with a lot of practice on one certain talent. Like tennis players are really good, and can see where the ball is heading just after the opponent has rallied it back to them, before it has even moved more than 1 foot in the air towards them. You gain the ability to just know.

Takumi has an even better sense of this, because of the water cup that was placed in his car all those years of delivering / training. Because he had to to pay attention to the cup as well as his driving, he learned that to not spill it at all, he had to make those little adjustments and that ultimately had the effect of creating this ability that only he, and Bunta, or anyone else who has that ability to not spill the water. Which leads to an amazing sense of concentration, sense of surroundings, sense of how the car is moving, and also realizing the center of you cars gravity and manipulating it.

My theory.


Posted by: Seri Mar 17 2013, 03:30 AM
...I take back what I said in that other thread. Not like it matters. This blows my theory (not posted) out of the water.

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Posted by: matter1387 Mar 17 2013, 04:15 AM
QUOTE (KyoukoFD3S @ 45 minutes, 40 seconds ago)
...I take back what I said in that other thread. Not like it matters. This blows my theory (not posted) out of the water.

like, in a bad or good way. let me know if it doesnt make sense or I am dumb plz



Also, how it is completely awkward to the drivers behind him, seeing something like what we see in the anime, can be explained like this.

Night time driving and only seeing what your headlights, and streetlights (how many streetlights are even on a mountain pass like those) see, something like a car speeding out of your lights field of vision, could look a bit awkward at high speeds. This probably makes it look like hes going much faster, because to them, they probably only see the taillights and a peripheral vision of what the car in front is illuminating with its headlights. Darkness plus moving lights at high speeds plus having to focus immensely hard on not crashing and being burned alive or smooshed, probably makes things that don't seem right to begin with(getting to that), look even more fucked up.

The reason it looks like he is driving a 4wd is most likely because of the slight adjustments he can make, which i explained in my last post which is that way ^^,
adding all of the factors that make it look hella weird I just explained. All adding into the person who is viewing perception of the car performing way different compared to what they think it is capable of. All of this and really only seeing the headlights and tail lights, and their eyes adjusting to the breaklights going off as the car accelerates and the brakes are released, giving it illusions of stability and more speed. Which can be confused as 4WD or holy fucking shit balls.

I really like how I get to use my lighting design and stageworking practices in an anime / manga series' message board.... Now if I can just learn correct grammar and english I will be set. derp.gif derp.gif

Posted by: HyperSonic Mar 17 2013, 06:06 AM
About the illusion of the Fujiwara zone, it can be seen by the opposing driver. Theoretically, what if Takumi performs it in a corner with a decent amount of gallery/viewers, will they also see the illusion of the fujiwara zone??? confused.gif

Posted by: matter1387 Mar 17 2013, 06:39 AM
QUOTE (HyperSonic @ 32 minutes, 42 seconds ago)
About the illusion of the Fujiwara zone, it can be seen by the opposing driver. Theoretically, what if Takumi performs it in a corner with a decent amount of gallery/viewers, will they also see the illusion of the fujiwara zone??? confused.gif

take a flashlight, and move the light in front of someone in a room of complete darkness. Then, take another light, and have it fixed onto where you are holding the flashlight your first had, and move it into the dark. Once it moves into the dark it starts to have a small trailing effect. Which looks very odd if the flashlight's light actually is illuminating a very specific area with a hard ring, in which it goes from full light to complete darkness, but even more strange if the light has a bright center, and then fades as you move away. This is what the gallery would see if the opponent was following Takumi, coupled with his already intense driving skill in which they all jizz their pants and someone elses as well. Also the speed already in place would probably make the effect make way more jizz-in-random-place-tastic. And if you were to somehow be racing uphill, while the battle downhill is going on and catch them at the right moment, and see this effect happen. It would be like holy fucking shitballs batman.

Now, if keisuke did his Spring Dash, or as I like to call it, Kenyan Sprint, uphill and seeing this effect, it would most likely end up like this.

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Posted by: Jhaqastar Mar 25 2013, 12:52 PM
First of all... Hi, I'm new tongue.gif. Anyway!

This series has been my racing bible as far as I can remember! I remember going in track days and a few touge runs, then I watch the series again and suddenly learn new things. It's a long shot, but I would like to believe Initial D is realistic as far as the concepts and stuff. So I'll give this theory busting a shot tongue.gif.

Fujiwara Zone. What we have so far.

1. In the eyes of the enemy
2. An unexpected burst of speed
3. was said to rival 4wd

And the blurs happen at the exits right? Well at least that's what I remember (please correct me if I'm wrong). I think Fujiwara Zone focuses on corner exit, at the point where cornering forces forces transitions to acceleration forces. But i guess if it involves that then it also involves braking forces transitioning to cornering forces because if Takumi can do the corner to exit transition, he could do the braking to cornering as well.

A little background on what I believe to be is the fastest line. Enter the corner, over speed a taaaaaaad bit, get into an oversteer, but not really a drift (I call it angle of attack. Basically it's the zero counter steer method where the car is turning but your steering wheel is dead center) to carry as much speed as you can through the corner, then, as you squeeze the throttle for the exit, you only put as much throttle to rotate the car to keep it turning, but as the same time, you transition the tires form cornering to exiting. Then once you reach 100% throttle, the tires could already support it 100%. I'll explain further later.

I think Fujiwara zone focuses on how Takumi really knows the 86 like the back of his hand. He could pin point exactly what the tires are doing, and transition them from one task to another and waste 0 of the tires potential.

farnorthracing.com/images/gripcircle.jpg
I can't post links yet but that's the visual aid I wanted to show/ rolleyes.gif

I'm sure you guys have heard of the traction circle. Basically, the outer circle is the absolute limit of the car (note I didn't say tires). Any more than that, and the car won't turn or brake or accelerate. I didn't say it's the limit of the tires because you can be oversteering and still be in the circle. An example would be when you're in a drift, but you are technically understeering because your car washing out of the course. To put into perspective what I said above, technically, to get the fastest time, you need to always be on that limit of the traction circle. Think of the G-ball. You need to trace that circle with the G-ball. When you brake, the ball hits the upper line. Then when you corner, the ball hits the limit on the side,. When you accelerate, the ball hits the lower side.

The basics of racing will teach you this:
Brake 100% Then 0% and let the car settle
Corner 100% Then back to 0%
Then 100% throttle

But ideally once you graduate from the basics:
Brake Corner
100% 0%
99% 1%
98% 2%
97% 3%
... ...
3% 97%
2% 98%
1% 99%
0% 100%

And it's the same for cornering transitioning to accel. I think even pros have a hard time doing the transition that smoothly. Like there might be a time where he's baking at 50% but is only cornering at 40% or something (not real figures) so he lost 10% of the tires potential that could have carried him more speed on the corner and/or enabled him to get a faster exit speed.

So back to the Fujiwara Zone. I think Takumi has the ability to trace that outer line better than most people could. And the proof lies in the Tofu.

SPOILER


Scenario (Note I believe that the following figures are exaggerated):
Takumi and his opponent is about to exit the corner, his opponent thinks, to the best of his senses and abilities that he is tracing the traction circle. But really, while he is unwinding from the turn, he was 50% turning and 30% accelerating while Takumi, knowing the 86 so well, is 50% turning, 50% accelerating. So on that specific instance Takumi is accelerating for the main straight 20% harder than his opponent. (But I think in reality the discrepancy is smaller but happens rapidly in the microseconds that they are in that corner).

To his opponent, it is impossible to accelerate any harder at the current situation they are in... But Takumi did! So for them, it's an unexpected burst of speed that literally came out of nowhere (or rather, outside of their comprehension since they genuinely believe that they too are at the limit of the traction circle). Hence, the teleportation effect! Voila! Fujiwara Zone!

That's why the opponents tend to get confused and say "does that 86 have 4wd" since the only way they can imagine Takumi exiting a corner at the fashion he was was for Takumi to have 4wd. (note... It's a pet peeve of mine that most people believe that 4wd gives you magical cornering ability that exceeds 2wd... Um... No... What 4wd does is give you magical abilities when exiting a corner. And it's not even magical tongue.gif. Imagine trying to put down 600hp with only 2 tires, that's 300hp per tire, compared to putting down the same power with 4 tires, 150hp per tire.)

Whoa that was long happy.gif . I hope I made sense unsure.gif


Oh, as for the gallery seeing the "teleportaiton," I believe people who really race and understand would see it. But for the regular gallery, they won't. The'll just see the 86 going really fast! Drivers who really battle understand when his opponent is pulling away from him, even if the distance of the cars does not seem to be widening for the people who never experienced it before. I experienced it on my first grid race, battling for first, I could see my opponent in front pull away slightly, but then I gain again in certain ares. For the spectators, they think that we're just keeping a certain distance. But as for my friends who were watching (they also are racing nuts), they see the areas where I pull up and where I get left behind. It's the same when you watch racing and you can tell that a certain car is slightly oversteering while cornering and he's using it to corner faster. Most people won't notice that and consider the car to just be grip driving.

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Posted by: Ahmed1993 Mar 28 2013, 11:46 AM
Man, that the best explanation so far.
Thanks Jhaqastar for enlightening me. smile.gif

Posted by: Takahashi Rensuki Mar 28 2013, 01:15 PM
Now thats a detailed explanation. laugh2.gif

Posted by: Nezat101 Mar 28 2013, 04:44 PM
I believe if it was something that wasn't bullshit the they wouldn't have people explaining it as something that doesnt make sense but happens anyway and cant be explained in any kind of logical terms...i think

Posted by: Takahashi Rensuke Mar 28 2013, 06:32 PM
I believe you need to be an automotive expert to understand Jhaqastar's post because I have absolutely no idea what I have just read..........

Posted by: Filphil Mar 29 2013, 03:35 PM
Quick read I can gather he means that Takumi is able to use the tires at 100% efficiency when in the zone.

Posted by: Glocker Mar 30 2013, 12:17 AM
Have you guys ever driven/chased an AWD or go on touge runs? I have, and the sudden burst of acceleration mid corner is something RWD/FWD/MR cars can only dream of. It all boils down to available traction and point of acceleration, and guess what, anyone on this forum can do it if a) you have the balls and skills or cool.gif a good tail happy AWD i.e. GTRs and Evos.

Just planting your foot down much earlier than your opponent mid corner while using all of the available traction will make your AWD/car look like Fujiwara Zone in the anime. As for true Fujiwara Zone, I think Shigeno is trying to say that being one with the car and maximising its potential within an environment is the pinnacle of man/machine interface. Look to WRC videos for these kind of superhuman techniques.


Posted by: Danceswithfoxes Mar 30 2013, 02:03 PM
QUOTE (Soran @ Jan 28 2013, 06:23 AM)
Fujiwara Zone = Shigeno having an overdose of his daily weed intake

I agree! I connected better with the old Initial D since it felt more real. This stage has gotten a little less real that the previous stages.

Posted by: Rudy Apr 1 2013, 06:59 PM
The new Initial D is freakin' ridiculous. So Takumi can teleport now? Wow. awesome.gif

Posted by: Ahmed1993 Apr 2 2013, 03:01 AM
You really don't understand a damn thing about it... facepalm.gif

Posted by: Gunma's 34 Apr 2 2013, 05:15 PM
Then what do the wings comprise? :v

Posted by: Vortrex Apr 3 2013, 12:21 AM
QUOTE (Gunma's 34 @ 7 hours, 6 minutes ago)
Then what do the wings comprise? :v

Skill, just skill, it means Takumi reached the highest point.
I think when Bunta drove the AE86 and Shin was looking at it, he would see wings like Takumi too! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Gunma's 34 Apr 3 2013, 05:24 AM
QUOTE (Vortrex @ 5 hours, 2 minutes ago)
Skill, just skill, it means Takumi reached the highest point.
I think when Bunta drove the AE86 and Shin was looking at it, he would see wings like Takumi too! biggrin.gif

Nah, it just means Takumi's 86 transformed into an alicorn :v

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Posted by: Takahashi Rensuke Apr 3 2013, 05:57 AM
QUOTE (Vortrex @ 5 hours, 35 minutes ago)
Skill, just skill, it means Takumi reached the highest point.
I think when Bunta drove the AE86 and Shin was looking at it, he would see wings like Takumi too! biggrin.gif

Doubt it. I'll say more than just wings, he could've had a black aura and a halo laugh2.gif laugh2.gif laugh2.gif

Posted by: Vortrex Apr 3 2013, 06:32 AM
QUOTE (Gunma's 34 @ 1 hour, 8 minutes ago)
Nah, it just means Takumi's 86 transformed into an alicorn :v

http://denver.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f...obro2_500_S.gif

On the other hand: you're right tongue.gif

And to Rensuke: Wings suits racing more then a Halo. tongue.gif
And also, Takumi has a aura: a green one. smile.gif

Posted by: Takahashi Rensuke Apr 4 2013, 06:32 AM
QUOTE (Vortrex @ Yesterday, 10:32 PM)
And to Rensuke: Wings suits racing more then a Halo. tongue.gif
And also, Takumi has a aura: a green one. smile.gif

YOUTUBE ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Fhv_E2m-E )

A video with Takumi's aura

Posted by: Gunma's 34 Apr 4 2013, 04:29 PM
SEGA/SHIGENO MAKE UP YOUR MIND ALREADY!!! Is it green or is it blue???!!!

Posted by: kyonpalm Apr 4 2013, 04:47 PM
QUOTE (Gunma's 34 @ 17 minutes, 34 seconds ago)
SEGA/SHIGENO MAKE UP YOUR MIND ALREADY!!! Is it green or is it blue???!!!

Pretty sure it's blue, canonically.

Posted by: Vortrex Apr 5 2013, 01:52 AM
It's both: In Anime Takumi has green aura:
user posted image

But the wings are white and a bit blue and in IDAS blue.

Posted by: Takahashi Rensuke Apr 5 2013, 04:55 AM
QUOTE (Vortrex @ 3 hours, 3 minutes ago)
It's both: In Anime Takumi has green aura:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/cx1/auratakumi.jpg

But the wings are white and a bit blue and in IDAS blue.

So why not say: Takumi has a green aura, but when he's driving the 86 it became blue with wings awesome.gif

There was also a blue aura of his 86 in Second Stage's Act 6.

Posted by: Seri Apr 5 2013, 06:17 AM
QUOTE (Takahashi Rensuke @ 1 hour, 21 minutes ago)
So why not say: Takumi has a green aura, but when he's driving the 86 it became blue with wings awesome.gif

There was also a blue aura of his 86 in Second Stage's Act 6.

And during the Wataru race, as well.

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Posted by: hashiriyatakahashiryosuke Apr 5 2013, 08:15 AM
well, I think, considering only the manga, the " Fujiwara Zone" is an acquired skill due to practice as Fujiwara has done over the years, driving in any weather conditions or road while making his deliveries.
Ryosuke mentions that the first time he saw it, was in his race against Fujiwara in Akina, then it is something he had and he perfected during races and new roads used by Project D expedition .

Fujiwara becomes one with the 86, because of his experience with this car, so he knows how it will behave before entering the curve no matter the weather, the road conditions or the condition of your tires. This may explain the fact that he has more grip during curve, even at high speed, giving the impression to those who are behind and the audience, that 86 behaves like a 4wd.

Another reason is that it relies entirely on the car and acts recklessly, while their opponents usually reduce speed to avoid an accident. thus, he can be faster in the curves than your opponents and understand it, being the opponent in best condition, either tire, either with better car or even being a professional, disturb pride opponent, doing them to move beyond their limits and end up making a fatal mistake.

(sorry for my bad english).

Posted by: Jhaqastar Apr 19 2013, 11:18 AM
@Ahmed1993 and
@Takahashi Rensuki

I'm glad somebody actually read that hahahaha. Well I did put effort into it happy.gif

@Takahashi Rensuke

Waaaaaah I failed explaining it then sad.gif ... That's what the basics racing schools don't teach their students yet. Basics are always, brake first... Then release... Then Turn... Then Throttle. The next step is technically how to link that all into one fluid motion. And the perfection of that motion is the Fujiwara zone (I think) happy.gif

@Filphil

Yes. Technically it's that happy.gif . Takumi can just use his tires really really really really well.

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@Glocker

MRs can also exit at alarming speeds too! Well not as much as AWDs at their full potential, but maybe at like a 300whp battle, the MRs won't be left that much at corner exits tongue.gif.





I think (or refuse to deny) that Initial D is still pretty realistic. It's just that they've stopped explaining everything that's happening... It started when God foot and Keysuke battled. While KT was conserving tires, he wasn't using the clutch. He was clutchless up shifting and downshifting. Then when he spotted the R34, the next immediate scene was him using the clutch to downshift tongue.gif. Some people believe that KT's unbelievable get-aways are unrealistic, but they seem pretty possible to me!

Posted by: Meteor Apr 19 2013, 12:47 PM
Here's something I quickly threw together in paint. This clear up anything for you Takahashi Rensuke?
user posted image
You'll get Jhaqastar's explanation straight away once you understand this.

Posted by: Filphil Apr 19 2013, 06:03 PM
Im sure you could have found a nice chart like that via google, Meteor. It's a nice mock up though.

The traction circle is the most basic visual aide available to drivers. I'm surprised there are people who weren't acquainted with it before hand. I guess it shouldn't be too much of a surprise though. They obviously never read the Gran Turismo manuals when video games still packaged decent ones.

Posted by: Takahashi Rensuke Apr 20 2013, 07:27 AM
QUOTE (Meteor @ Today, 4:47 AM)
Here's something I quickly threw together in paint. This clear up anything for you Takahashi Rensuke?
http://s22.postimg.org/585zmaiox/traction_budget.png
You'll get Jhaqastar's explanation straight away once you understand this.

Umm, sorry Meteor, but do you have a larger picture of it? Can't really see it tongue.gif

Posted by: RickkyyP Apr 22 2013, 10:26 AM
For me Fujiwara zone is simply extracting 100% of the grip out of the tires all the way through the corner. 100% on braking, transitioning to 100% corner speed and then 100% of the available traction to 'drive' out the corner. After driving the car that long Takumi knows precisely where these limits are...
That said, the anime over dramatises it in 5th stage by having the car completely vanish in corners.

I believe it should be represented as in 4th stage when we see Godhand use his 'Time Attack' line in the final run, he is slowly pulling away and Takumi shouts 'I don't get it where's the difference in what we are doing?' to me thats how it should be shown smile.gif

Posted by: Takahashi Rensuke Apr 22 2013, 07:10 PM
QUOTE (Meteor @ Apr 20 2013, 04:47 AM)
Here's something I quickly threw together in paint. This clear up anything for you Takahashi Rensuke?
http://s22.postimg.org/585zmaiox/traction_budget.png
You'll get Jhaqastar's explanation straight away once you understand this.

I think I got it, more or less. Thanks Meteor, and Jhaqastar!

Posted by: Meteor Apr 23 2013, 03:10 PM
So you actually managed to read it then? Good. Now I feel less bad about procrastinating on making a larger image/simply linking you to a more in-depth explanation tongue.gif Glad to be of help.

And yep, Fifth Stage's Fujiwara Warp Drive was never the best way of depicting things.

Posted by: Rudy Apr 24 2013, 09:06 PM
QUOTE (Gunma's 34 @ Apr 3 2013, 08:24 AM)
Nah, it just means Takumi's 86 transformed into an alicorn :v

http://denver.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f...obro2_500_S.gif

Yeah, Takumi was all like...

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*ahem*

It still troubles me that so many get-aways in the first quarter of the season were due to Takumi managing to alter the fabric of space and time and just disappear milliseconds into the future, leaving both the opponent and the viewer in awe and confusion.

To be blatantly obvious, the first half of Fifth Stage had only two moments that were exciting and/or awesome, and none of them directly involved an official Project D battle! sad.gif

Posted by: RickkyyP Apr 26 2013, 06:37 AM
QUOTE (Dorifuta @ Apr 24 2013, 09:06 PM)

To be blatantly obvious, the first half of Fifth Stage had only two moments that were exciting and/or awesome, and none of them directly involved an official Project D battle! sad.gif

The drift by Takumi infront of the imposters was sick!

Posted by: Vilee Apr 26 2013, 08:01 AM
QUOTE (Dorifuta @ Yesterday, 8:06 AM)


To be blatantly obvious, the first half of Fifth Stage had only two moments that were exciting and/or awesome, and none of them directly involved an official Project D battle! sad.gif


Ikeda vs Keisuke.

The part where the phone rang and Keisuke started accelerating.

I thought that was epic lol.

Posted by: RedComet Apr 28 2013, 12:39 AM
QUOTE (Jhaqastar @ Mar 25 2013, 12:52 PM)
First of all... Hi, I'm new tongue.gif. Anyway!

This series has been my racing bible as far as I can remember! I remember going in track days and a few touge runs, then I watch the series again and suddenly learn new things. It's a long shot, but I would like to believe Initial D is realistic as far as the concepts and stuff. So I'll give this theory busting a shot tongue.gif.

Fujiwara Zone. What we have so far.

1. In the eyes of the enemy
2. An unexpected burst of speed
3. was said to rival 4wd

And the blurs happen at the exits right? Well at least that's what I remember (please correct me if I'm wrong). I think Fujiwara Zone focuses on corner exit, at the point where cornering forces forces transitions to acceleration forces. But i guess if it involves that then it also involves braking forces transitioning to cornering forces because if Takumi can do the corner to exit transition, he could do the braking to cornering as well.

A little background on what I believe to be is the fastest line. Enter the corner, over speed a taaaaaaad bit, get into an oversteer, but not really a drift (I call it angle of attack. Basically it's the zero counter steer method where the car is turning but your steering wheel is dead center) to carry as much speed as you can through the corner, then, as you squeeze the throttle for the exit, you only put as much throttle to rotate the car to keep it turning, but as the same time, you transition the tires form cornering to exiting. Then once you reach 100% throttle, the tires could already support it 100%. I'll explain further later.

I think Fujiwara zone focuses on how Takumi really knows the 86 like the back of his hand. He could pin point exactly what the tires are doing, and transition them from one task to another and waste 0 of the tires potential.

farnorthracing.com/images/gripcircle.jpg
I can't post links yet but that's the visual aid I wanted to show/ rolleyes.gif

I'm sure you guys have heard of the traction circle. Basically, the outer circle is the absolute limit of the car (note I didn't say tires). Any more than that, and the car won't turn or brake or accelerate. I didn't say it's the limit of the tires because you can be oversteering and still be in the circle. An example would be when you're in a drift, but you are technically understeering because your car washing out of the course. To put into perspective what I said above, technically, to get the fastest time, you need to always be on that limit of the traction circle. Think of the G-ball. You need to trace that circle with the G-ball. When you brake, the ball hits the upper line. Then when you corner, the ball hits the limit on the side,. When you accelerate, the ball hits the lower side.

The basics of racing will teach you this:
Brake 100% Then 0% and let the car settle
Corner 100% Then back to 0%
Then 100% throttle

But ideally once you graduate from the basics:
Brake Corner
100% 0%
99% 1%
98% 2%
97% 3%
... ...
3% 97%
2% 98%
1% 99%
0% 100%

And it's the same for cornering transitioning to accel. I think even pros have a hard time doing the transition that smoothly. Like there might be a time where he's baking at 50% but is only cornering at 40% or something (not real figures) so he lost 10% of the tires potential that could have carried him more speed on the corner and/or enabled him to get a faster exit speed.

So back to the Fujiwara Zone. I think Takumi has the ability to trace that outer line better than most people could. And the proof lies in the Tofu.

SPOILER


Scenario (Note I believe that the following figures are exaggerated):
Takumi and his opponent is about to exit the corner, his opponent thinks, to the best of his senses and abilities that he is tracing the traction circle. But really, while he is unwinding from the turn, he was 50% turning and 30% accelerating while Takumi, knowing the 86 so well, is 50% turning, 50% accelerating. So on that specific instance Takumi is accelerating for the main straight 20% harder than his opponent. (But I think in reality the discrepancy is smaller but happens rapidly in the microseconds that they are in that corner).

To his opponent, it is impossible to accelerate any harder at the current situation they are in... But Takumi did! So for them, it's an unexpected burst of speed that literally came out of nowhere (or rather, outside of their comprehension since they genuinely believe that they too are at the limit of the traction circle). Hence, the teleportation effect! Voila! Fujiwara Zone!

That's why the opponents tend to get confused and say "does that 86 have 4wd" since the only way they can imagine Takumi exiting a corner at the fashion he was was for Takumi to have 4wd. (note... It's a pet peeve of mine that most people believe that 4wd gives you magical cornering ability that exceeds 2wd... Um... No... What 4wd does is give you magical abilities when exiting a corner. And it's not even magical tongue.gif. Imagine trying to put down 600hp with only 2 tires, that's 300hp per tire, compared to putting down the same power with 4 tires, 150hp per tire.)

Whoa that was long happy.gif . I hope I made sense unsure.gif


Oh, as for the gallery seeing the "teleportaiton," I believe people who really race and understand would see it. But for the regular gallery, they won't. The'll just see the 86 going really fast! Drivers who really battle understand when his opponent is pulling away from him, even if the distance of the cars does not seem to be widening for the people who never experienced it before. I experienced it on my first grid race, battling for first, I could see my opponent in front pull away slightly, but then I gain again in certain ares. For the spectators, they think that we're just keeping a certain distance. But as for my friends who were watching (they also are racing nuts), they see the areas where I pull up and where I get left behind. It's the same when you watch racing and you can tell that a certain car is slightly oversteering while cornering and he's using it to corner faster. Most people won't notice that and consider the car to just be grip driving.

SPOILER

I like this explanation. It explains how some drivers have that almost "magical" pace to them when they're hot (or, as Ryosuke puts it, 'in the zone'). They're simply put, by their experience and skills, able to find the fastest line, brake later, get on the throttle earlier (and with the smallest loss of traction possible), and thus simply go faster that whomever with they're fighting for position.

I think the neat thing about Initial D is that it tries to take things like these and illustrate them in a way that's entertaining for people who aren't necessarily experienced driving enthusiasts, while still imparting the core ideas from racing strategy that said enthusiasts would pick up on.

Look at Ayrton Senna. Many people said of his performances at Monaco that he seemed to 'phase' through the armco barriers. Logically, this is of course, impossible. But his closeness to the barriers, his entry and exit speeds gave the pyschosomatic illusion that he was moving through the barriers. He was displaying Fujiwara-like (or is Takumi displaying Senna-like) ability in getting within millimeters of the armco, with absolute confidence and car control, while maximizing his use of the tyres' grip and his car's potential.

After all, you only drive at the limit by driving at the absolute limits of what you--and your car--can do.

Posted by: Buntami May 26 2013, 12:38 AM
Takumi typed in a cheat code that made him teleport.

Posted by: KobayashiMaru May 27 2013, 12:54 PM
Sir Jackie Stewart used to race the same way. Even taught normal people how to drive smooth with a small ball in a large bowl on the bonnet of a car. That's where the water in a cup technique comes from.

Posted by: kyonpalm May 27 2013, 01:06 PM
QUOTE (KobayashiMaru @ 11 minutes, 48 seconds ago)
Sir Jackie Stewart used to race the same way. Even taught normal people how to drive smooth with a small ball in a large bowl on the bonnet of a car. That's where the water in a cup technique comes from.

There are many rumours about where the water-in-a-cup technique in Initial D was derived. Until Shigeno explicitly states the true origin, we don't really know.

Interesting factoid nonetheless.

Posted by: Ballist1x Jun 4 2013, 04:42 AM
Nos?

For me the fujiwara zone is just takumi getting 'insane' entry/exit speed into a corner. The 'phasing' graphics you see if just a visual representation of takumi taking the corner faster than the opponent is believing possible in the ae86.


Posted by: EddieNanakase Jun 4 2013, 11:04 PM
Here's the thing, this is in no way a spoiler since I don't read the manga. I'm not sure if anyone has noticed, but Takumi only gets advice from Ryosuke, Takumi doesn't really gets taught anything, unlike Keisuke. Remember the two different driving styles that Ryosuke talked about in Fourth Stage when Takumi raced the Tommi (I think that's his name) the professional driver? There's an orthodox and a pure street specialist types of drivers. I actually think that what Ryosuke means in the "D" of the Project D's name might be something like D stands for "difference", as in the difference of the orthodox and pure street specialist. You can tell from miles away that Project D's final opponent is going to be themselves, the two double aces are going to have to face each other. In fact, in some of the episodes in the anime, don't remember if it was Keisuke or Ryosuke that says that even though they belong on the same team (Project D), Takumi is still their enemy. I think what Ryosuke really wants from Project D, is to know who really is faster, an orthodox (professional type of driver) or a pure street specialist (a street racer). So I think that Ryosuke is helping the orthodox racer (Keisuke) and the pure street specialist (Takumi) to reach their peaks in driving skills to set them off in a final race to prove who really is faster, an orthodox racer or a street racer. Hey, honestly, this is my opinion, my prediction of what's going on, I haven't read the manga at all, but I think this is something that a lot of us have picked up from the episodes so far. As for the Fujiwara zone, it caught me off guard when I first saw it. I thought for sure that they were going to kill the anime with this Fujiwara zone. I thought that because one of the main reasons why we have fallen in love with the anime, is because of it's realistic depiction of real life racing. The settings are real places in Japan, the techniques are also real, and the physics are realistic. On the other hand, the Fujiwara zone makes things look a little bit too fantasy like, but I realized that things aren't really like that. I believe that the Fujiwara zone is actually a state in which Takumi corners faster than his opponents, but only by a small margin. The Fujiwara zone illustrates this small margin of gain. I think it was animated this way to portray how fast does Takumi's cornering seem to his opponents.

Posted by: sideways Jun 5 2013, 01:28 AM
I personally dislike the "fujiwara zone" thing in the anime as its been presented. Like stated before, its presented as being too magic'ish'y to fit properly in the initial d ive grown up watching.

The way ive TRIED to "rationalize" whats been demonstrated in the anime (the blinking forward thing), is that takumi is able to exit through a corner "faster than youd expect". Ie the drivers are building mental images/predictions (like catching a ball or something, you lead it with your eyes/hands to see where its going to go, not where it is) of what takumi is doing in his rolla- Predicting where hell be in the corner, during, and how hell be accelerating out of it- and then suddenly/abruptly takumi accelerates at a rate you werent predicting, and the reality of it contradicts what the mental prediction was. Kind of a mental reaction to "he should be there but somehow hes actually there!.

From what I gather about it based on whats been stated in the anime, takumi is basically accelerating through/out of the corner at 100% of what the car is physically capable of doing- instead of the "humanly possible" 95-98% (Bs numbers pulled out of my ass to elaborate on the situation). Everything was "perfect" and couldnt have gone even an iota better/faster.

Posted by: Ballist1x Jun 5 2013, 02:22 AM
When did he disable the 'ping ping ping' noise that occurs at over 66mph? In vol 2 of the manga he takes Cole out and its pinging through all the corners..

Posted by: DreadAngel Jun 5 2013, 03:57 AM
I can understand what they're trying to represent, but to show it like the car has a blackhole warp drive isn't the greatest solution. A comment from one of my more humorous friends was Initial D Stage 5 asked Tite Kubo [Bleach] for help...

Cole? = Iketani? [I don't watch the American **** version]

Most likely disabled when they switched the Engine... Different ECU to run that engine...

Posted by: Takahashi Rensuke Jun 5 2013, 04:35 AM
QUOTE (Ballist1x @ 2 hours, 13 minutes ago)
When did he disable the 'ping ping ping' noise that occurs at over 66mph? In vol 2 of the manga he takes Cole out and its pinging through all the corners..

You know what? I totally forgotten about that! Kudos to you for pointing that out...

Posted by: Banken Jun 5 2013, 06:22 AM
QUOTE (Ballist1x @ 4 hours, 0 minutes ago)
When did he disable the 'ping ping ping' noise that occurs at over 66mph? In vol 2 of the manga he takes Cole out and its pinging through all the corners..

Who the fuck is Cole?

Also, it takes about 10 seconds to disable the speed warning on an AE86...

And I think Shigeno only used it to demonstrate how fast Takumi was going in the first couple volumes. Bunta would have disabled it years ago.

Posted by: Ballist1x Jun 5 2013, 06:57 AM
Cole is the guys name who he drives and makes sick after 3 corners of ping cornering. In my English language manga.

Posted by: Seri Jun 5 2013, 07:36 AM
QUOTE (Banken @ 1 hour, 14 minutes ago)
Who the fuck is Cole?

Also, it takes about 10 seconds to disable the speed warning on an AE86...

And I think Shigeno only used it to demonstrate how fast Takumi was going in the first couple volumes. Bunta would have disabled it years ago.

Cole is Iketani's TP name.

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Posted by: Ballist1x Jun 5 2013, 09:45 AM
QUOTE (Banken @ 3 hours, 23 minutes ago)
Who the fuck is Cole?

Also, it takes about 10 seconds to disable the speed warning on an AE86...

And I think Shigeno only used it to demonstrate how fast Takumi was going in the first couple volumes. Bunta would have disabled it years ago.

Dude, I thought we were all Initial D fans here.

Cole - this guy.

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Posted by: kyonpalm Jun 5 2013, 09:48 AM
QUOTE (Ballist1x @ 2 minutes, 50 seconds ago)
Dude, I thought we were all Initial D fans here.

Being an Initial D fan =/= knowing anything about the TokyoPop butchered version.

Posted by: Seri Jun 5 2013, 11:58 AM
The only reason I'm familiar with the names is because IDv3 uses them.

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Posted by: Takahashi Rensuke Jun 6 2013, 06:19 AM
QUOTE (Miura Seri @ Today, 3:58 AM)
The only reason I'm familiar with the names is because IDv3 uses them.

Hey, IDAS4 uses them too hahaha...
And totally agree with kyonpalm

Posted by: Banken Jun 6 2013, 07:25 AM
I know that's Iketani's TokyoPop name. We don't use TokyoPop names here.

Posted by: Ballist1x Jun 6 2013, 09:41 AM
What'd the beef with Tokyo pop?

Posted by: kyonpalm Jun 6 2013, 09:52 AM
QUOTE (Ballist1x @ 10 minutes, 40 seconds ago)
What'd the beef with Tokyo pop?

They...

...replaced the eurobeat soundtrack with rap and 2edgy4u techno.
...changed most characters' names to sound more western.
...replaced entire lengths of dialogue and filled them with slang words.
...added unspeakably cheesy Windows Movie Maker effects to racing scenes.
...censored some scenes in the manga.
...licensed the series to be made into the worst video game ever created.

Of course if it wasn't for them I wouldn't know about Initial D, but the negatives are still important to acknowledge.

Posted by: Tessou Jun 6 2013, 10:14 AM
QUOTE (Miura Seri @ Yesterday, 3:58 PM)
The only reason I'm familiar with the names is because IDv3 uses them.

Wow, you're young. You know they had Arcade Stages before that, right? laugh.gif

Posted by: Ballist1x Jun 6 2013, 10:18 AM
Ah right I watch the the Japanese language with English subs version of seasons 1-5 but the English language volume books. As I can't read Japanese.

That game doesn't look too bad.. u never tried area 51 for psx?

Posted by: Seri Jun 6 2013, 10:20 AM
QUOTE (Tessou @ 6 minutes, 8 seconds ago)
Wow, you're young. You know they had Arcade Stages before that, right? laugh.gif

I do. But I only have access to a V3 machine. So that's why.

And yes, I am young. tongue.gif

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Posted by: Tessou Jun 6 2013, 10:27 AM
QUOTE (Ballist1x @ 9 minutes, 15 seconds ago)
Ah right I watch the the Japanese language with English subs version of seasons 1-5 but the English language volume books. As I can't read Japanese.

That game doesn't look too bad.. u never tried area 51 for psx?

u ever tried superman 64?

Posted by: Ballist1x Jun 6 2013, 10:33 AM
No but I had tunnel b1 for psx. Also Kirby drramland for GB borrowed off someone. Terrible.

Posted by: Tessou Jun 6 2013, 10:53 AM
I could rattle off awful PSX games all day, and we would get nowhere.

Try actually playing Mountain Vengeance sometime. It's ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag.

Posted by: sodasoda1 Jun 6 2013, 12:11 PM
i would consider the zone would be going into indepth far sight into the on coming downhill corners. and far anticipates whats gonna happen to the opponents driving style. and counter attacking right when the opponent gets out of position

Posted by: Ballist1x Jun 6 2013, 12:26 PM
Or God mode as its better known.

Posted by: strategist102 Dec 13 2013, 02:17 AM
Just to key in on some points I found interesting about the Fujiwara zone.

A lot of people described similar thoughts about the Fujiwara zone and I thought I'd like to share what I thought about it. A lot of my thoughts are practically the same but after re-reading the manga a couple of times I think I got a pretty good picture about it.

So some basic info.

The Fujiwara zone from Ryosuke's interpretation is supposedly something similar to what athletes call "The Zone." If you play sports or do something performance related you'd probably relate the zone to "being clutch." Clutch players when being clutch enter this zone for a brief moment and pull off amazing things.

The Fujiwara zone, as described by Ryosuke, is apparent when Takumi is able to corner at speeds no one else could conceive as possible. When a person other than Takumi does the same thing he ends up spinning out. In essence, Takumi is able to control the car as though it were an extension of himself. To other drivers, he will appear as though he is driving a 4WD. Obviously to Ryosuke, he has a hard time swallowing this info as it's ridiculous.

Now my views about the Fujiwara zone.

The Fujiwara zone is both a state of mind and a phenomenon. As a phenomenon, Takumi enters his zone when you see Takumi being able to control his car in ways that make it seem impossible. As a state of mind a good way of describing this is how the late Formula 1 driver Aryton Senna performed in Monaco. In Monaco, Senna was famous for not only crashing but being faster all the other racers. At that race Senna described himself as being in a "dimension" separate from the track. You can think of this dimension as sharing the same space as the Monaco track and nothing else. It's like your physical self is in one place but your mind experiences a different experience than the one that you should feel in that one place. Senna felt that in this dimension can keep going faster and faster, he could push the car past its limits. I believe that Takumi was based on Senna under this basis and that this explanation of Senna's zone is similar to what Fujiwara feels.

The Fujiwara zone can be reduced to two features. The first is his ability to concentrate intensely when driving. The second is his familiarity with his car. Takumi is extremely sensitive to his car up to the point that he can accurately predict how the car will move if he does some action. Now you can make the argument that there is only one feature that arises from reducing the Fujiwara zone and that is the first. However, I think it's irrelevant to to argue in terms of reducing the zone and it's more productive and interesting to discuss what the zone is.

Now to relate something about what I said earlier about being clutch and the Fujiwara zone. I believe that the Fujiwara zone is basically being clutch throughout Takumi's whole race. Now a feature of being clutch is that you're able to perform in high pressure situations. In order for someone to clutch it, all conditions for achieving a result need to be in perfect harmony. For example, in order to catch that Touchdown to win the game with 7 seconds on the clock, a QB needs to throw the ball in a way that would arrive at its intended destination and receiver needs to catch the ball in a way that would result in him having possession. Now, this description is a barebones explanation underneath it all there a multiple properties that you can find in this description such as wind speed, throwing angle, etc. Now imagine all these conditions but the racing analog. When Takumi is in his zone his body and car performance is optimal and in addition to that all conditions related to his performing that "clutch" move are met.

Now a lot of discussion is based on what the wings mean for Takumi. I think that Takumi's wings are basically explanations of a person's perception of Takumi. It exists only as an outsider's perception of high speeds. I can relate the wings to when people describe some people's driving as "flying." You can describe speed as being fast but within that description there are analogies to help describe what someone means by being fast. One analogy is flying.

I did like a description of the zone as a comparison of the fatigue states of Takumi and his opponent. I could elaborate more on this but I don't think I want to as I feel as though I've made my point about the zone.

Posted by: CaesarT Jan 14 2014, 10:13 PM
I didn't read everyone's response to this topic so excuse me if I repeat what has been said.
When I think about the Fujiwara Zone, I think about the impossible illusion that allows Takumi to pull away from the opponent during the corners. Why? Because whenever they talk about the Fujiwara Zone, that illusion always happens.

With that being said, I think its a combination of:
1. Takumi's natural racing ability and concentration
2. Takumi's ability to allow his FR to exit a corner like how a 4WD can exit with full throttle which allows him to create that quick exit illusion that no other FR can.
This would not be possible without the fact that Takumi is constantly switching between the 86 and the 22B everyday for deliveries.
Initial D talks a lot about how Keisuke has excellent throttle control but Takumi can do something that Ryosuke can't even explain.

Posted by: KnightRiderXD Sep 25 2014, 01:18 PM
SPOILER

Posted by: Silverwolf Sep 25 2014, 10:38 PM
In my opinion the Fujiwara Zone simply comes from having such a vast amount of seat time in one car, combine that with the addition of racing strategies, technique, and lines via driving the impreza and watching opponents lines. This allows him to find speed where other drivers can't. His experience in the 86 gives him supreme control unlike other racers who only drive the same car for two or three years max.

Also if I remember Ryosuke said Tsuyoshi Hojo had a similiar affinity possibly meaning that he'd driven the NSX for a long time.

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Posted by: Silverwolf Sep 25 2014, 10:38 PM
In my opinion the Fujiwara Zone simply comes from having such a vast amount of seat time in one car, combine that with the addition of racing strategies, technique, and lines via driving the impreza and watching opponents lines. This allows him to find speed where other drivers can't. His experience in the 86 gives him supreme control unlike other racers who only drive the same car for two or three years max.

Also if I remember Ryosuke said Tsuyoshi Hojo had a similiar affinity possibly meaning that he'd driven the NSX for a long time.

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Posted by: HyperSonic Sep 26 2014, 03:37 AM
QUOTE (Silverwolf @ 4 hours, 58 minutes ago)
In my opinion the Fujiwara Zone simply comes from having such a vast amount of seat time in one car, combine that with the addition of racing strategies, technique, and lines via driving the impreza and watching opponents lines. This allows him to find speed where other drivers can't. His experience in the 86 gives him supreme control unlike other racers who only drive the same car for two or three years max.

Also if I remember Ryosuke said Tsuyoshi Hojo had a similiar affinity possibly meaning that he'd driven the NSX for a long time.

The Fujiwara Zone (this is one of the ways I can wrap my head around it without thinking that this is a Shigeno given super power to Takumi) can be achieved only upon reaching the peak of concentration, how long can someone stay on that state depends on how often he is under pressure. Upon reaching this state, the driver achieves or somewhat manifests a couple of above average super human skill acquired only upon constant driving practice. Such skills include but not limited to space consciousness wherein the driver can judge precisely how much space is there all around him. This might be seen when Takumi attacks corners he can be much closer to the guardrails during the apex and at the exit of the corner compared to his opponents. Similar skill is also seen from Keisuke when he battled the driver from the unknown team using Kyoko's car, we can see Keisuke telling the moron he can be 2 inch closer to the opponent and still leaving 5 inches for the opponent from the guardrail, then we can see that Keisuke has driven an FD all his life.

Another ability which manifests itself upon entering "the zone" is pinpont decision making. Takumi displays this ability whenever he changes from the slide for cornering to the slide for acceleration. There is a very thin line between those two kind of slide, but Takumi can execute both right on the dot every corner. Keisuke also displayed this ability on his first race on fifth stage, the mad dash for the win leaving the Evo driver wondering what happened?

Now, the illusion (mirage) created upon entering "the zone" can summarized to a an ALMOST unachievable speed whether the one performing it is chasing or in the lead. The illusion (as shown in the anime) catches the opponents off guard and surprises them thinking that THE SPEED they have seen is unachievable. But the truth is the reason they are seeing or experiencing the illusion is that they let their guard down and the sudden attack was unexpected as shown from the opponents who experienced the mirage illusion. facepalm.gif facepalm.gif

Posted by: Racer4WD Jan 16 2018, 09:48 AM
For me,i really believe that Fujiwara Zone is a technique where Takumi change his AE86 Driving Personality to the GC8 Impreza Personality.

After the race with Ichijo,Takumi learned that braking at a different point allowed him to overcome both the 4WD complex and his other self(The Impreza Takumi).

As Bunta states later,Takumi projects in his mind his other self from his previous delivery as a ghost and that he gets to defeat his other self,but in desavantage the cycle would repeat and would have to still defeat his other self until to a point were Takumi gets equal time with the AE86 and Impreza

As already said by many rivals on Fifth Stage,Fujiwara Zone is a technique where Takumi have the acceleration of a 4WD and the cornering of a FR,so as i said,Takumi changes from the AE86 Persona to the GC8 Persona

Posted by: shakasur Dec 1 2022, 02:10 AM
The Fujiwara Zone is both, the best of the best making errors when observing Takumi and whether it be physical or by their honed racing intuition or Takumi taking his level even further then the best while not making any mistakes himself.

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