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| Posted by: Ben Jul 4 2005, 08:09 PM |
| It has come to my attention that there was no F1 topic in this forum... I feel that this is a clear disgrace... Lets get the ball rolling, Alonso wins another one, thats 69 Championship points. Reckon Schumacher or Raikkonen can come back to take it? btw, that discussion in automotive doesn't count. Off topic is where its at. |
| Posted by: Möbius Jul 4 2005, 08:14 PM |
| F1 is supposed to be in automotive to begin with? |
| Posted by: Ben Jul 4 2005, 08:15 PM |
| NNOOOO!!! It's not... It's an off topic discussion because i said so... |
| Posted by: Lakersfanman33 Jul 4 2005, 08:26 PM |
| Well, im still waiting for Karthikeyan to win one and make us Indians look good. I think Kimi has a chance to come back, but I doubt it. Automotive. |
| Posted by: Steve Jul 4 2005, 08:30 PM |
| .:.Moved.to.Auto.:. N00b. |
| Posted by: Ben Jul 4 2005, 08:32 PM |
| DAMMIT!!!! Perry will move it back.. Or even 869.. |
| Posted by: Alex Jul 4 2005, 08:35 PM |
Nope 869 will not move it back. 869 thinks it's fine where it is. Maybe we need an Automotive Racing forum to discuss various forms of racing. So for now this best fits in Auto.  |
| Posted by: Steve Jul 4 2005, 08:36 PM | ||
Pwnt. |
| Posted by: Ben Jul 4 2005, 11:57 PM |
| ...BAH!!! |
| Posted by: RisfortypeR Jul 5 2005, 12:33 AM |
Yeah Renault is doing extremely well this year. Looks like they really want a championship. Ferrari and Honda and getting owned by the new 2005 rules  Honda's engine woes + owned by FIA officials and Ferrari's bridgestones crapping out on them early...well just crapping out in general.Raikkonen has time to come up and get McLaren another championship. As long as Renault stays down, I hate Renault cars  |
| Posted by: haspieuw Jul 5 2005, 12:42 AM | ||||
very true those new F1 cars are really fast ... or is it just the skills of Alonso ? but yeah he ahs proven himself to be faster then his teammate
same here , a few years ago werent they at the same level as the Jordans , Hondas and Toyotas ?  |
| Posted by: Ben Jul 5 2005, 02:24 AM |
| Nah, Renault has pretty much been strong for years and years now, they just didn't have the drivers to match the car prefectly. Alonso is real up and coming talent(i dont believe we've seen the best from him yet) and Fisichella can only continue improving, he'll be a real contender in a couple of years. Alonsos start was excellent, Renaults launches are always the quickest, maybe the other front runners(Ferrari and Mclaren) should look into launching, Renaults always get 1 or 2 spots from the word go. Mclaren and more specifically Räikkönen will most likely win the 2005 championship, i reckon their car will just get better and better, stability wise. Montoya is a tool. Arrogant moron IMO. Ferrari... wtf happened... They couldn't have done enough testing and evolution during last summer break. Last year they couldnt be touched, this year they can't win a race unless its by someone elses failure to finish. The Bridgestones are still strong tyres, but obviously they are focusing too much on safety and not enough on performance. They need to make better use of their time. Although they are still contenders for the championship, i doubt ferrari will win constructors or Schumacher will win Drivers... 2nd is a possibilty with only 5 points seperating him from Kimi. BAR have screwed themselves over... I don't know how and i don't know why.. What have they done wrong??? |
| Posted by: HaloZ Jul 5 2005, 04:48 AM |
| kimi > * McF1 has one of the best lunch controls also. kimi made up 2 spots on the start of the last race, nuff said. they usually distroy everyone other than Renault and Williams in that department. that is all. |
| Posted by: RandRace Jul 5 2005, 05:32 AM |
| same here , a few years ago werent they at the same level as the Jordans , Hondas and Toyotas ? Uh, a few years ago the Jordans were the Hondas (1998-2002 the Jordans were Honda powered) and Toyota wasn't in the series until '02. The team that is Renault now was called Benetton until 2001 and had driver's championships in 1994 (using Ford/Cosworth engine) and 1995 (Renault power) for Michael Schumacher and a constructor's title in 1995 (Johny Herbert in the #2 car). Renault also ran its own team from 1977-1985 but had little success. Ever since the team's takeover by Renault in 2001 they have been much more competitive. First with their low CoG 170 degree V10 that made them the handling kings of the circuit and now with equal power to the "big boys" and the best launch software by a long shot. But for Britain at Silverstone aero rules and the McClarens have the best aero package on the grid. Short of troubles I expect Kimi to bring this one home. |
| Posted by: Zilious Jul 5 2005, 05:36 AM |
| huah.... only good thing in Kimi is that he can party like rest of us Finns (though he's not as good as most in the drinking part).. I doubt that Kimi has any chances for come back in this season .. but that's just my opinion.. Mika was better driver than Kimi, maby I'd still watch F1 races if Mika would still race... // Zil |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Jul 5 2005, 07:43 AM | ||
No way in hell are BS tyres as good as Michelins. BS have ONE team testing for them Michelin have what, 4 or 5? That's a HUGE advantage. I'm surprised Ferrari doesn't test everyday just to get the advantage back. Also this F2005 is the first car that's NOT designed by Rory Byrne who was basically the chief designer (chassis) of every car that MS won the WDC with. If you look at the tires at the end of the race, the Renaults and McLarens still have fairly decent rears and pretty good fronts. The ferraris just have dismal wear rate. Shows problems in mechanical grip. Ferrari shot themselves in the foot this year by starting the season w/ the 2004M, and then rushing out the 2005 when it hasn't been fully developed. |
| Posted by: Ben Jul 6 2005, 12:34 AM |
| Soon that won't be a problem, as I doubt michellin will stay in F1 much longer... Technical Regulations - 2008 The FIA has officially revealed details of its plans to reform Formula One's Technical Regulations for the start of the 2008 season in a bid to reduce the costs of competing in the sport, whilst simultaneously attempting to increase competitiveness among teams. The proposed changes have been approved by the World Motor Sport Council and feedback on them is now being sought. Major proposals include: A single, control-spec Engine Control Unit (ECU) for all competitors, "manufactured by an FIA designated supplier to an agreed specification." This would make it possible to effectively enforce a ban on driver aids like traction control. Standard gearboxes fitted with common parts for all cars - with control to be via a driver-operated clutch pedal and gearshift similar to those of a conventional manual-transmission road car. Revised bodywork to reduce downforce by approximately 90 percent while allowing cars a wider track. This would allow cars to follow each other far closer through corners without the loss of aerodynamic grip and thus would be likely to increase opportunities for drivers to pass each other. Tyres supplied by a single manufacturer to all teams, the reintroduction of slick tyres and larger wheels - plus a ban on tyre-heating devices. A "minimum specified" centre-of-gravity for every Formula One chassis and improved impact testing, again to increase competitiveness, but also driver impact protection. Standard brakes for all competitors to reduce development costs. Greater control over which materials can be used for the construction of a car's bodywork - similar to changes controlling the use of "exotic" materials in engines that go into place in 2006. The compulsory installation of a starter motor. A ban on spare cars, with only spare chassis permitted at events. A limit on testing to a maximum of 30,000km per team per year. The right for a team to buy a complete car or any part of a car from another constructor, with "further discussion" over how this would effect the award of Constructors' Championship points. THIS IS BULLSHIT!!! |
| Posted by: RisfortypeR Jul 6 2005, 01:11 AM |
| Most of those major proposals are stupid. |
| Posted by: Ben Jul 6 2005, 01:49 AM |
| Indeed they are. Although thinking maturely, they will bring more competition to the sport. With all the same parts, eg. Gearbox and Brakes.. They will be on the same level, i just hope FIA develop their brakes as much as the teams would. |
| Posted by: DGoReck Jul 6 2005, 03:08 AM |
| Need I remind of the Michelin stunt the other week at the Indy... I'm sorry, that was total BS imho, what they pulled, and what the racers did as well; lining up, and then pulling off last second. |
| Posted by: Ben Jul 6 2005, 03:22 AM |
| rofl.. As if that was the teams fault.. Michellen didn't have safe enough tyres... You seem to be laying the blame 100% on the teams and their drivers, the drivers don't control shit over what they do, they have to follow orders or they are gone. Go read up on f1.com and go a couple of pages back in the news and extend your knowledge more than what the news tells you. |
| Posted by: Möbius Jul 6 2005, 11:38 AM | ||
Except Schumacher...  |
| Posted by: Ben Jul 6 2005, 06:49 PM |
| *sigh* No F1 driver has any say over anything, except handling/speed of his car while actually in a Gran Prix. You people just don't understand... |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Jul 6 2005, 10:29 PM |
| lmao explain how Rory Byrne AND Ross Brawn both landed in the Scuderia one year after Schumacher got there. they built the whole damn team around the guy. Having said that however, he knows how to work witht he whole unit and his knowledge is superb. |
| Posted by: an2w3r Jul 7 2005, 04:30 AM |
damn!! fernando alonso just won by a lap!! i think he's gonna win the driver's championship!!!  |
| Posted by: Ben Jul 7 2005, 05:22 PM |
| lol.. n00bs are funny.. ^^ But, Schumacher... He is a spectacular driver and a very valuable person on a team, as he knows more than most on any team. Many call him a cheater, a manipulator and a thief, it's idiocy that the ignorant can't tell that all his talent is self-developed and purely him, not the speed of his car, although that also plays a vital role, but not for long. |
| Posted by: 696 Jul 11 2005, 07:55 AM | ||
Well then I'd like to see Schumacher in a Jordan or a Minardi. Don't get me wrong here. Schumacher is a great driver but you take his great car away from him and the going gets tough ( this goes for any driver, not only Schumi). I think the beginning of this season proved this to be true. |
| Posted by: DGoReck Jul 11 2005, 08:33 AM | ||
I think you need to re-read the website. I read the FIA letter back to Michellen and the teams, which presented them with options for the race. They could have raced, changed tires every 10 laps, and would have not incurred any penalty. FYI, F1.com was the only site I read, aside from the FIA site, and watching it on TV. Is it wrong to formulate my own opinion? Drivers and the team, are one in the same, an entity. Please don't tell me that the drivers did not know before hand that they would pull out of the race after the parade lap. To think that, it is crap. The drivers as well as the team, played in and with Michellens stunt. So the 7 teams are found guilty for not having suitable tires. Who is to blame, Michellen. The teams knew they had problems, and couldnt race but the lined up anyways. And from the news today. Well its nice to see Michellen is gonna pay back all the people, and pay for 20,000 tickets for next year. Maybe they will have their act together then, and not pull this stunt again. (Yes, I am still gonna call it a stunt, as you cannot tell me that the largest tyre manufacture in racing would not not have a suitable tire.) |
| Posted by: 696 Jul 12 2005, 05:29 AM |
| I'd say it's the FIA and Max who have committed a stunt and not Michelin. Michelin asked for a temporary ( not meaning shitty, quickly set up and dangerous) chicane before the last, high-speed corner where the Michelins had a chance of letting go. Michelin did not ask for the teams running on their tires to receive any points hence it would not have been unfair to the three Bridgestone teams. It was purely conceived in order to give the crowd a great and safe show. The FIA denied this request saying it was against the FIA rules to modify a track under such circumstances. This was the best option available as it would have rendered the race safe even with the Michelins running and it would have given the American spectators something to watch and to look forward to next year. This is something important because the U.S.A. Grand-Prix is in a dwindling state with support decreasing and, as the humour of the spectators that day showed, the numbers might decrease even more next year. The same people would be on the podium because Michelin did not ask for any points and neither did the teams running their tires. Michelin seem to me as the ones who were the most mature and responsible in this whole debacle. They proposed a safe and entertaining ( very important in this case) race without penalty to the teams who had better tires. They even repaid the spectators ( something that the FIA did not even propose and that in this case would have been a wise choice, especially for Bernie if he wants to sign another contract with Indianopolis next year) who lost money and time watching something I see as a joke. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Jul 12 2005, 09:34 AM | ||
People seem to forget MS is GREAT at developing cars; they also look at his success in Ferrari and just assumes he went there when the team was at their prime. History lesson: MS started out in Jordan in 91. First ever race was at Spa and he outqualifies his team-mate and puts the car in the 7th slot. DNF'ed due to clutch failure. Fast forward to 92-95. Benetton years. 92-93 the car was lacklustre. Clearly a step or two below the Williams who had a far superior package. Yet he still won some races and even challenged AND passed Senna at Silverston in 93. Won WDC in 94 and 95 including nine victories in 95. Moved to Ferrari in 96 where the car was just a pile of shit. Challenged for the WDC ALREADY versus a superior Williams driven by Villeneuve in 97 up until the final race at Jerez. Lost in 98 and 99 to Mika. won in 00-05. I have no doubts if he was at toyota this year, he'd have won 3 or 4 |
| Posted by: AETRAN86 Jul 12 2005, 09:55 AM | ||
Actually the drivers with the michelins said even with a chicane they would not of been able to compete rendering the chicane useless. Bottom line is tha F1 made a rule change and michelin could not comply. I don't see how thats the FIAs fault. Also if you don't think michael schumacher is great then you must not be a big F1 fan. You don't have to like him but that still doesn't make him any less a good driver. You have to remember there are alot of thigs inside that car thats adjustable from brakes to the TCS system. I'd say 100% of the drivers have to adjust somthing some time during the race. Hence changing the car. You act like it's the ferrari carrying him around not the other way around. |
| Posted by: DGoReck Jul 13 2005, 03:00 AM |
| The whole race for no points is a total joke. What would prevent a Michelin team, who is now driving for no points, from purposily going to slow in an area, or accidently knocking into a bridgstone car casuing them to race.... It's makes sense to have a no opoints race, but in reality it isn't that simple, when a team can ruin a race on purpose for some team who would sill have been in the points.... So who is Ready for Argentina this weekend? whoops thats WRC.... Who is looking forward to Germany in 2 weeks. |
| Posted by: 696 Jul 13 2005, 12:26 PM | ||
Where did you read that the drivers said the chicane was useless? Must be some article/pres. I missed because I never saw the drivers going against Michelin's proposition at Indy. Please pass me the link if you have it. Secondly, you should reread my post because I never said/implied that Michael is a bad driver. On the contrary, I clearly wrote that he's a great driver. I have no reason to hate him, either. I had started this discussion when Benji wrote that the capabilities of a car matter but not for long. The only point I was trying to make is that the car clearly plays a crucial part in racing. You have to face the fact that if a great driver races in a shitty car, he'll reach the car's limit one day or another. My position on this would not have been different if you had chosen Kimi, Button, Sato or some other driver I like. I know that there are many things that are done by the driver thanks to his steering wheel: radio, speed limiters, diff. levels of tcs, braking settings. I am aware of this. DGoReck: "What would prevent a Michelin team, who is now driving for no points, from purposily going to slow in an area, or accidently knocking into a bridgstone car casuing them to race.... It's makes sense to have a no opoints race, but in reality it isn't that simple, when a team can ruin a race on purpose for some team who would sill have been in the points...." Pretty pessimistic look if you ask me. Why would the Michelin cars run slow or ruin the race for the Bridgestone teams? Ruining a race for another team on purpouse will undoubtedly get you a penalty. A penalty that drivers don't want. Plus, it wasn't supposed to be a "no points" race but a "no points for Michelin teams" race hence the teams that got points ( all the Bridgestone teams in this case) would still have gotten the same amount of points and same standings. P.S. I hope you guys don't feel I'm trying to bash Schumacher here or something. About the German GP, I think all of us here are looking forward to it, hehe. I hope BAR Honda get good results this time. I was already happy with Button's 5th place at Silverstone and I hope that Sato can join in and rake in some very needed points. The team has been doing horribly this year in comparison to last year when the team placed second, only behind the famous Scuderia. |
| Posted by: krazyndn411 Jul 13 2005, 12:37 PM | ||
Schumacher is an amazing driver. At that level, you can't win multiple championships by "cheating and manipulating." With the limitations already in place, most cars are at least close to matching Ferrari. People have always hated champions and latest fiasco with the tires didn't help [many people blamed Ferrari not the FIA for not allowing tire changes]. |
| Posted by: hellbent Jul 16 2005, 08:23 AM |
| well, looks like all the teams r off the hook now. As there will be no punishment handed down to them due to recent evidence. BTW, My opinion is that Shumy is not the best anymore. Look at MIki, not once but twice he had a engine failure and brought his car from the back to 2 and 3. To bring ur car from 13th position to 2 is amazing by any standard. |
| Posted by: ryot4 Jul 16 2005, 12:46 PM | ||
i couldn't bear to read anymore of this shit... for a second there i though i was reading a nascar regulations paper. >_< |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Jul 18 2005, 12:47 AM |
| Ah i know im gonna watch this thread. Shumi is a very fast driver, his has lots of skill and also a lot of luck. Which is something that everyone needs in F1. Mathmatically its still possible for kimi to catch up. But in reality its going to be hard work even if kimi wins every GP with alonso just 1 place lower for the remaining 9/8 GP. |
| Posted by: 696 Jul 18 2005, 07:31 AM | ||
I doubt Kimi can win, especially when his engine mysteriously explodes at every practice. |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Jul 19 2005, 11:04 PM |
| Ferrari proved it can be done 2003. They were in this sorta postion but they won the championship (just). |
| Posted by: 696 Jul 20 2005, 06:31 AM | ||
With competition like this year? Kimi's really good and drives till his car falls to pieces. He doesn't give up but he would need some real magic to win in this situation. |
| Posted by: Ben Jul 21 2005, 03:59 AM | ||
So much to reply to... I won't reply to all of you, sorry..
So true... i <3 you. /// The no points thing. That wouldn't work, it would mean more overtaking, more tactic involved to get past the other teams for Bridgestone, meaning slower pace and advantage to the slower cars maybe... We won't know but thats an almost definate. /// Shuey is a spectacular driver, Ferrari just didn't do enough developing over the summer... (or winter in your cases) I'll finish this later.. i'm tired.. |
| Posted by: 696 Jul 24 2005, 04:05 AM |
Kimi's engine is doing fine now, it seems. I'd rather see him in first place in the Driver's Championship than Alonso. I'm a bit more optimistic now that his engine is doing fine and I hope he can somehow squeeze in but that's gonna be a tough job.  EDIT: Well, Kimi's transmission just let go and he's out of this race.  At least Button moves up a space. |
| Posted by: StReEtWaLkeR Jul 24 2005, 09:29 AM |
| The start of the race was awesome, first turn 7 cars wide....I think its gonna be dogfight wit Kimi, Alonso, an Schmucher, but I think Juan Montoya is gonna catch up. |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Jul 24 2005, 05:03 PM |
| well..... i think kimi has lost it now....... but mclaren still have a chance for the manufactures championship. But the drivers one is pretty much hopeless now |
| Posted by: StReEtWaLkeR Jul 24 2005, 05:53 PM |
| Honestly Juan and Kimi were suppose to pwn today. Mad props to Montoya. |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Jul 24 2005, 10:10 PM |
| agreed. but acutally... mclaren were suppose to pWn ever since imola!! |
| Posted by: AETRAN86 Jul 24 2005, 11:37 PM | ||||
this is late but actually I saw footage of it after the drivers went into the garage. |
| Posted by: 696 Jul 25 2005, 06:20 AM | ||
Button passing Schumacher was awesome.  |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Jul 25 2005, 09:04 AM | ||||
a car with grip passing a car w/o grip is awesome how?  |
| Posted by: Untitled Jul 25 2005, 09:24 AM |
| I didnt watch the whole race.I check online yesterday looking at the outcome and i go " holyshit!" montoya went form 19th to 2nd that just insane big props to him! |
| Posted by: StReEtWaLkeR Jul 25 2005, 09:27 AM | ||||||
Button used disappearing line technique and the fact Michael had no grip he maniplated to take a different line. |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Jul 25 2005, 09:45 PM |
| I didnt even know that it there was such thing as a "dissappering line"..... i thought that was just something from an anime....... to me he just out braked him(aided by the fact that button was hanging around the blind spot of shumacers car)..... shumacher had to be a lot more careful with his braking (ie brake longer and softer) because he had no grip and didnt really need a lockup.... wait...... i remember a ferrari locking...... but was it shumacher.....? meh anyway, yea combine that with his much less agressive throttle work on the exit of a corner (lack of rear end grip... no point puting himself into a spin) results in him losing a place to button. Creating an better an exit than button was useless (that was his inention after he saw button making a move) Kimi vs Montoya..... 2002....... i think........ 9 corner battle....... at that same circut...... THAT was cool..... |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Jul 26 2005, 09:07 PM |
| don't even need to go back that far just last year the battle between button and alonso for almost a third of the race was just as exciting. on a side note: those of you with speed vision should REALLY try to catch the GP2 races. absolutely cracking races pretty much everytime those guys go out. |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Jul 26 2005, 10:31 PM |
| whats GP2? this country is poor....... i dont think it will be televised on free to air tv...... but i just cant wait for A1 to start....... im sure that A1 is going to be more popular than F1.......... GO TEAM NEW ZEALAND!! |
| Posted by: 696 Jul 28 2005, 06:51 AM | ||||||
WOW! You make passing sound so easy! |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Jul 28 2005, 07:18 AM |
| and you make that pass sound so awesome his pass last year on alonso was awesome; i'll give you that. the pass on schumacher wasn't anything to brag about. |
| Posted by: 696 Jul 28 2005, 09:18 AM | ||
Not a pass to brag about, true, but it was a nice quick pass that I liked and the fact that it helped Button get third place is the awesome part for me  . At least BAR will finish in front of teams like Jordan and Minardi this year.EDIT: Too bad it didn't make your day but it did make mine!  |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Jul 28 2005, 09:28 AM |
| he's got kimi to thank for that third place |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Jul 28 2005, 02:39 PM |
| lollllll......... kimi should leave mclaren? yes or no? |
| Posted by: 696 Jul 28 2005, 06:57 PM | ||
All the people in the race got their spot partially thanks to Kimi, I suppose. lol It sucks that Kimi's car is so unreliable ( engine explosions, transmission problems). Might it be that Kimi has a style a bit too aggressive for the powertrain? Find out on the next presentation of F1! Same day, same channel, same Kimi! I think Kimi should stay unless some proposition from a sure shot team appears in his mailbox.  |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Jul 30 2005, 02:19 PM |
| LAF!! i think that will be from a ferrari or a BAR..... Big ups go to shumi and kimi. shumi got pole, and its about time, and kimi got 4th even thought he went out first. lets just hope his engine doesnt let go first hehe |
| Posted by: StReEtWaLkeR Jul 30 2005, 04:28 PM |
| The fact that alonso might take the championship I wanna see Mike Shumacher wins somes race hehehe |
| Posted by: Ben Jul 30 2005, 08:59 PM |
| ^^same... BUT if you all haven't been keeping up with the new rule changes to take effect in 2008, here is some news... The Formula One teams have come up with ideas for possible 2006 qualifying formats. We would like your feedback on two particular suggestions. Check out the key points of each below, then vote for your preferred option at the bottom of the page. Proposal 1: - 60-minute session, split into two 25-minute ‘halves’ with a 10-minute break. - drivers may run as many laps as they wish, but must set a time in each half. - each driver’s best times from the first half is added to his best time from the second half to produce a final time to determine the grid. - no fuel restrictions - cars may refuel during and after the session. Proposal 2: - 60-minute session. - after 15 minutes, the five slowest cars must retire from the session and will qualify 16th to 20th on the grid. - after a further 15 minutes, the five cars slowest during that period (times cannot be carried over from the first 15 minutes) must also retire from the session. They will qualify 11th to 15th on the grid. - for the final 30 minutes the remaining 10 cars will compete for first to tenth place on the grid, based on the best times set in that period (times cannot be carried over from the first 30 minutes). - drivers may run as many laps as they wish in each period. - no fuel restrictions - cars may refuel during and after the session. |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Jul 31 2005, 02:41 AM |
| give me the tires back!! |
| Posted by: Ben Jul 31 2005, 07:29 AM |
| Tyres* Raikkonen takes 1st. Shuey 2nd. Schuey jnr 3rd. Good race... Klien rolled in turn 1, lap 1 from Villeneuve putting his front left tyre infront of Kliens rear right. Coulthard then spun and spun and spun after hitting Alonso's front wing debris which got dislodged... Can't remember how... Alonso pits lap 2, falls into 17th, not a very good race from him, finished 11th. Montoya looked strong, made 3rd place on 1st lap behind Raik who was behind Schuey. He then retired from P1 towards end of race, looked strong to take podium. Clutch problems? Barrichello had a pretty boring race... It was really about Raik and Schuey the whole time, this is a good thing for Ferrari... |
| Posted by: 696 Jul 31 2005, 12:16 PM |
| Ferrari came back in full force with Michael, it seems. I'm a bit surprised about Toyotas taking 3rd and 4th. It's true that many tough opponents were out of the game basically. Still, Ralf was really close to his brother. |
| Posted by: haspieuw Jul 31 2005, 01:27 PM |
| how are the points now ? |
| Posted by: StReEtWaLkeR Jul 31 2005, 04:07 PM |
Hahah Kimi got payback from Alonso for being the turle last week  |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Jul 31 2005, 05:02 PM | ||
-------Drivers points after Hungry GP----------- Fernando Alonso Renault 87 Kimi Raikkonen McLaren 61 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 55 Jarno Trulli Toyota 36 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren 34 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 32 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 31 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 30 Nick Heidfeld Williams 28 Mark Webber Williams 24 Jenson Button BAR 19 David Coulthard Red Bull 19 Felipe Massa Sauber 8 Tiago Monteiro Jordan 6 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber 6 Alexander Wurz McLaren 6 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan 5 Christijan Albers Minardi 4 Pedro de la Rosa McLaren 4 Christian Klien Red Bull 4 Patrick Friesacher Minardi 3 Vitantonio Liuzzi Red Bull 1 Takuma Sato BAR 1 -------Constructors points after Hungry GP----------- Renault 117 McLaren 105 Ferrari 86 Toyota 68 Williams 52 Red Bull 24 BAR 20 Sauber 14 Jordan 11 Minardi 7 |
| Posted by: StReEtWaLkeR Jul 31 2005, 10:31 PM |
| Wow Im surprised that Ferrari still in chase for team championship, Im rooting for McLaren |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Aug 2 2005, 08:04 PM |
| Mclaren should be a few points ahead of Renaults if they can just solve their reliability issues. Both cars are lightning quick and in a league above the Renaults but when shit breaks and the cars can't finish, that doesn't do much good in terms of points sadly. |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Aug 2 2005, 08:13 PM |
| anymore blowups for kimi and kiss the drivers championship goodbye. I'm pretty sure that mclaren can make the constructors though, so they at least got something from this season. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Aug 4 2005, 04:37 PM | ||
6 rounds left and the gap is 26 points so kimi has to outscore alonso on an average of 5 points to catch up that's a tall order since you need Kimi to win every race from here on in and fernando needs to be outside the podium for that to happen. It could, if they can keep both merc's running and pray to god that Ferrari picks up their pace to outrun the renaults otherwise, it's wait till next year for kimi. i'm more interested in seeing this silly season of musical chair than i am watching the races |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Aug 5 2005, 07:59 PM |
| hehe barrichello is giving up the seat..... i hope he turns out to be like DC. go with the underdog team!!! |
| Posted by: 696 Aug 5 2005, 08:09 PM | ||
I heard Massa's trying to squeeze in the driver's seat at the Scuderia. What will Ferrari do?  |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Aug 5 2005, 08:54 PM |
| Massa isn't trying to squeeze in the seat, he already has it. Fact of the matter is, even at Sauber, Massa was still contracted to Ferrari. Rubens have been talking to BAR since Monaco where he blew up at Schumi for racing him. Now it remains to be seen how Buttongate part deux plays out. If the court rules that Button COULD stay at BAR, then say byebye to Taku. I just wish Honda would sack Taku regardless and bump Ant up to the seat proper. The kid's paid enough dues. |
| Posted by: 696 Aug 7 2005, 05:29 AM | ||
Massa's already with Ferrari? Things change fast it seems. I hope the BAR roster stays the same for 2006 but that is very unlikely to happen with all the crap taking place this year. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Aug 7 2005, 04:37 PM | ||
His contract belongs to Ferrari. He'll be the driver partnering MS in 06. |
| Posted by: laznlspeeddemon Aug 7 2005, 08:54 PM | ||||
wow, news to me. Rooting for Schummacher still but it looks like Alonso will be #1 and 2nd place will be pretty close depending on how Raikonnen and Schummacher does in the following races. |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Aug 9 2005, 01:02 AM |
| mika thinks kimi can still do it........ and so do i actually....... its just the damn car!!!!! grrrrrrrrrr |
| Posted by: Lakersfanman33 Aug 21 2005, 05:56 AM |
| Well, Kimi won Istanbul, him and Montoya almost had a 1-2 finish, but Montoya drove off course and Alonso overtook him. Schumacher DNF! |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Aug 21 2005, 02:33 PM |
| grrrrrrrrrrr stupid monterio.......... |
| Posted by: hellbent Aug 21 2005, 07:35 PM |
| GO KIMI. man Kimi's MP4-20 is in a class all by itself. just look at the pace of that Mclaren compared to Alonso's R25. Though what I found most intersting was Button's left foot braking. During one segment. Alonso used no left-foot braking what so ever, Button was using left-foot braking all the way. I believe he still needs to develop it though as clearly he was slower than Alonso. Montya is gonna get scolded for that mistake for sure. Ive been watching F1 for some time now. This has to be the best season since the Shumy VS Villiunve season. |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Aug 21 2005, 11:20 PM |
| what about 03? |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Aug 22 2005, 02:57 PM | ||
Wasn't montoya's mistake. Monteiro punted him and he had no rear diffuser. Add to the fact that he's been struggling through the left handers for about a quarter of the race and it's a no brainer he's gonna struggle through turn 8. (Damn that corner reminds me of Pouhon in Spa.) Interesting to see Trulli struggling w/ fitness issue. Those with ITV feeds won't see it since it wasn't shown, but onboard of him after 3/4 of the race and he had to lean his head against the side on both left AND right handers just to alleviate some of the loads on his neck. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Aug 24 2005, 08:13 AM |
| On a separate note, I think this is the first track from Hermann Tilke that I can say I somewhat LIKE. (at least i'm not feeling repulsive by it) Good mix of high speed corners, long straights and slow corners makes it flow better than the drag race circuits of Sepang and Shanghai. Think he realised that some of the classic corners around the world are classics for a reason and you can see a few hint of that in this Turkish circuit. |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Aug 24 2005, 02:40 PM |
| I dont really consider china to be a bad circuit........ The first corner is such a hard one and the backstraight is one straight where you compare straight line diffrences of cars. Like the biggest straight in the turkey track.... |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Oct 8 2005, 10:57 PM |
| man if you guys missed the suzuka race, you missed the best race of the past 2 seasons. and that's saying something if it's better than Hockenheim of 2004 |
| Posted by: 696 Oct 9 2005, 08:20 AM |
| Damn, Japan made me stay up till 2:40AM even though I wanted to sleep properly for today. [SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THE RACE YET!!!] There was so much going on all the time. There were no dead moments during the race. Some interesting moments/things were: - Montoya going out at the beginning of the race. Woops... - Takuma Sato plowing through Trulli's car. lol I don't know what the hell Sato was thinking. - Kimi passing Fisichella on the last lap! - Webber's performance. - The best drivers starting from the last positions (next to the Jordans and Minardis heh) and ending up in front. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Oct 9 2005, 09:58 PM |
| you left out alonso's pass on MS on the outside of 130R |
| Posted by: Silent121 Oct 9 2005, 10:03 PM |
| Who do you want to win the Contrustor Title? I want McLaren-Mercedes to win. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Oct 9 2005, 11:15 PM |
| Doesn't really matter to me. I've stopped caring about teams and drivers since 94 and 97. I think Renault deserves to have the constructor's title since they do have the more reliable car of the two. This is what the title should be about, the best TEAM that wins. Best team in my books would be one who could engineer a car that is quick AND reliable at the same time; rather than one whose consistency is quite dodgy. Yes, the Mc's are VERY fast; but I'm not impressed with their engine grenades. |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 10 2005, 01:41 AM | ||
He was thinking "this is a Honda track so I do anything I want in a Honda car ya damn Toyota." |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Oct 11 2005, 12:15 AM |
| LOL! haha oWned! the last lap reminded me of the takumi vs ryoskue battle. "INSIDE?! OR OUTSIDE??!" and its because it was pretty much the last place he could pass in the rest of the race. |
| Posted by: M|st Oct 15 2005, 11:37 PM |
| anyone watching china GP??? anyone see the jordan crashing while tyre warming ?? lol WD renault, they pwned mclaren, too bad they don't have a car like a wrx, i'd buy it anyday |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Oct 15 2005, 11:50 PM |
| the jordan didn't flip he just crashed very heavily. |
| Posted by: EA99 Oct 16 2005, 03:04 AM |
those gutter lids or something!! HAHAHAHA! Poor Mclaren  and Sato is ditched right? |
| Posted by: M|st Oct 16 2005, 03:43 AM |
| lol @ sato, hes gone trigger happy with his bar in the last few races |
| Posted by: 696 Oct 16 2005, 06:42 AM | ||
What happened this time? I doubt I'll watch this GP so I just wanted to know what attack he made this time. EDIT: What's up with the Honda cars? They already changed all the team gear and car art to Honda Racing? |
| Posted by: EA99 Oct 16 2005, 07:01 AM |
| Sato in the china GP car had a problem or something lmao and at the start he did a HELL BIG jump start ROFL as in 3, 2, SATO already rocketing ahead, 1 GO LMAO! |
| Posted by: M|st Oct 16 2005, 11:05 PM |
| lol yeah i saw that and i was like 'wtf are u thinking' |
| Posted by: akishiro Oct 19 2005, 11:21 PM | ||
http://www.mininova.org/tor/133938 http://rapidshare.de/files/6508852/RenaultChampions.mp3.html |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Oct 25 2005, 10:33 PM |
| LOL omg they have too much free time on their hands......... shouldnt they be making their v8s about now? |
| Posted by: Godarm Dec 13 2005, 05:02 AM |
| F1 info (just to add) http://www.allf1.info/title.php |
| Posted by: randomdriver Dec 27 2005, 02:12 AM |
| Ah, i'll restart this thread, even though i come on this forum maybe three times a year..... So yes, 2006 formula one should be quite interesting. I personally think the alonso announcement can be taken two ways, which way remains to be seen depending on the contracts of montoya and kimi. If either has already signed an agreement, i think it's a smart move to announce Alonso in order to show that McLaren has thought about the future and is clearly geared for championships. If neither have signed anything though, i think ron dennis is just being an idiot and jepardizing his 2006 season with drivers who know at least one will get the boot. For 2006, i really hope toyota pulls its act together. They field a competitve car... but not really. It's top mid-field at best, but not truly competitive. And a truly competitive car is what i want for trulli. Drivers But in all honesty, jarno is the driver i want to win the championship. His finesse and style behind the wheel and his incredible pace shows he has the potential. Winning monaco last year was a brilliant feat at one of the most technical tracks. If only he can learn to better adapt his style to cars that don't immediately suit his driving, he'd be a consistant winner. As an asian, i'm disappointed to see the only asian on the grid got the boot, but then again he just hasn't shown he has what it takes to succeed. His racing in '04 was breathtaking with his overtakes, but in '05 he was just plain reckless. In all likelihood, he'll get the driver for super aguri. I hope he gets his act together and gets a good car in '07. since they'll most likely be racing off-the-pace arrows for the beginning of '06. I'd lvoe to see him consistantly beat button. Button, how i loathe his style of business. First he wants out of bar, then he wants out of williams. If i were in charge, i'd just kick him off, and watch as no top pace team wants to risk money on this contract slipster. Here's another area i like about trulli. =) He keeps his word, such as when he agreed to transfer to toyota before he signed any contract. I hope button is left in the dry for '06. Michael, i think he still has the fight in him. but i can sort of see '06 as his last year. he's made enough to retire on. =) "just enough" hahah. but i wish him all the best. Teams BAR - I hope rubens shows the master that he is and outclasses button. =) and i hope that davidson gets to race. button.... forget it. McLaren - I hope Kimi and JPM have great seasons. the MP4-21 will hopefully show McLaren's great design team's work as with the Mp4-20 Toyota - I really hope they become more efficient and really get on the ball. Hopefuly they can field a car to help Trulli win the championship, thought I must admit it's a long shot. BMW - I hope Heidfeld is able to show his abilities. |
| Posted by: EA99 Dec 27 2005, 02:29 AM |
| wahahha dats long! i agree with the toyota part.. but they arent as competitive as they should be... well because they are relatively a "new" team, and even so they are still did pretty well this year for what they have. Also i agree Trulli better own sum guys for us and whhhat!? Alonso is going to mclaren? |
| Posted by: randomdriver Dec 27 2005, 04:13 AM | ||
yep. they announced it recently that ron dennis' mclaren team signed alonso for 2007. so someone either leaves or gets booted at mclaren, and a race seat opens up at renault, if renault stays in f1, after the 2006 season. |
| Posted by: EA99 Dec 27 2005, 05:16 AM |
| HOLY CRAP? Alonson + Kimi = GG! though i bet michael still has some fight in him!! |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Dec 27 2005, 10:14 PM | ||
Trulli never had consistent on the edge race-pace. qualifying he's one of the top in the current crop, but during the race he's never been brilliant. This isn't new either. Even during his kart years he was like that. Monaco was a rare win resulting from a Ferrari screwup. If you want a counter example, look at Magny Cours 2004. I don't think Kimi will be around McLaren come 07. From a budget point of view, I doubt the team has the cash to support two WDC-calibre drivers. Alonso bolting seems to me Briatore tipped him off that Renault won't be around after 06. It's no secret that Carlos Groshn isn't a huge fan of F1, and Renault in spain at least reported a decline of sales from Feb to Nov in 05 (amidst the alonso hype) The seat at Renault isn't open. Kovalainen is lined up for it next. they also have Lopez and DiGrassi coming up thru their development program, so Renault's seats are pretty much covered for a long time even if htey do remain. If Ferrari doesn't perform to fight for wins this year, MS will leave for sure. The contract of the fab three (todt, brawn and byrne) all expire at the end of 06, so I see no reason for MS to stick around and build ANOTHER Ferrari team 10 years after he's built his first one. RBR should be one to watch after mid-year next season. With the addition of Newey, they should be in position to fight for podiums IMO. |
| Posted by: d3v Jan 24 2006, 09:49 PM |
| New car launch pics. (photos c/o http://www.motorsport.com) http://www.motorsport.com/photos/select.asp?S=F1&Y=2006&D=&N=&E=Toyota_TF106_launch,%/Studio_shoot http://www.motorsport.com/photos/select.asp?S=F1&E=Ferrari_248_F1_launc/Presentation&Y=2006 http://www.motorsport.com/photos/select.asp?Y=2006&S=F1&E=McLaren_MP4-21_launch/Studio_shoot in interim orange livery. and the http://www.motorsport.com/photos/select.asp?Y=2006&S=F1&E=BMW_Sauber_F1_Team_launch/Presentation during their team launch in Valencia. [EDIT] Shots of the Red Bull Racing RB2 during it's shakedown back in december. http://www.motorsport.com/photos/select.asp?Y=2005&S=F1&E=Red_Bull_Racing_RB2_shake/Day_1 http://www.motorsport.com/photos/select.asp?Y=2005&S=F1&E=Red_Bull_Racing_RB2_shake/Day_2 [n]*NEW*[/b] http://www.hondaracingf1.com/en/index.php?section=8&item=1399&type=1 launch (official site). as well as pics (for those interested) of http://www.motorsport.com/photos/select.asp?Y=2005&S=F1&E=Visit_of_Michael_Schumach/Phase_3# under construction. [/EDIT] |
| Posted by: Burlap_Sack Jan 26 2006, 02:54 AM |
| No one is talking about Williams. They have the Cosworth engines, who have had v8 experience with the Champ Car engine, but as long the chassis is good. Williams could surprise, as long as the chassis is good. |
| Posted by: d3v Jan 26 2006, 04:02 AM |
| Williams hasn't released anything yet and is kinda staying under the radar in terms of news. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Jan 26 2006, 09:36 PM | ||
As opposed to Toyotas and Hondas who have no V8 experience? (nor MB for that matter? )Cosworth alone aint' going to bring SFW back from midpack to battling for podiums. |
| Posted by: d3v Jan 27 2006, 12:51 AM |
| Interesting point in that MBs F1 engines are actually designed and built by Ilmor who I believe also does MB and Honda's Champ Car engines. |
| Posted by: Burlap_Sack Jan 27 2006, 06:20 AM | ||
IRL. But no matter. What I'm saying is that Cosworth have the most experience in designing and building successful v8 engines, close to the current regulations. And I did say that the chassis has to be good... Back to MB on the other hand...  This is Kimi Raikkonen after just a handful of laps, during testing, with a rev-limit....  Edit: This is what the Williams is going to look like:  |
| Posted by: d3v Jan 27 2006, 06:26 AM |
| However, Cosworth doesn't have as much financial clout these days as it used to since Ford sold it off. |
| Posted by: Burlap_Sack Jan 27 2006, 07:02 AM |
| Almost forgot, Super Aguri F1 has been accepted by the FIA to be the 11th team in F1. Takuma Sato is rumoured to be the lead driver. Oh dear..... http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=108188 |
| Posted by: EA99 Jan 27 2006, 08:59 AM |
| lol takuma sato is an awesome driver!! i think he gets techniques from tsuchiya... remember the UBER LATE BRAKING... though its bad when hes behind people |
| Posted by: d3v Jan 27 2006, 05:01 PM |
| Takuma has the skillz, what he needs is better temperament throughout the race. Anyway http://www.motorsport.com/photos/select.asp?S=F1&E=Williams_FW28_launch/Presentation&Y=2006. Interestingly enough, while they'rs Cosworth powered, they've got sponsorship from Indian auto manufacturer Tata. Also note the huge blank space on the sidepods that is just begging for a major sponsor. |
| Posted by: Burlap_Sack Jan 27 2006, 07:41 PM |
The blank sidepod on the Williams could be for this: |
| Posted by: EA99 Jan 27 2006, 10:50 PM |
| lol shouldnt it be 1 end positive, the other end negative? |
| Posted by: d3v Jan 28 2006, 01:52 AM |
| Does that mean they're gonna run on the power of positive thinking? |
| Posted by: Burlap_Sack Jan 31 2006, 09:25 PM |
Renault have launched their car last night and it looks like this: Other than the sidepods, it's livery and styling by deja vu.... Here are the launch pics: http://www.f1racing.net/en/gallery.php?catID=1920 |
| Posted by: d3v Feb 1 2006, 04:17 AM |
| Beat me too it, anyway, http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=209182 from Motorsport.com as well as http://www.motorsport.com/photos/select.asp?S=F1&Y=2006&D=&N=&E=Renault_R26_launch/Studio_shoot. R26 is an evolution of last years car w/ the main difference being the sidepods (no more gills), meaning it should be just as reliable as the R25, the only thing that's still up in the air is the engine. w/c for the first time btw. is conencted to a 7-speed titanium gearbox. |
| Posted by: Burlap_Sack Feb 3 2006, 05:10 AM |
This is the MF1 (nee Midland, Jordan) M16 with Tiago Monteiro and Christjian Albers the drivers: The gallery is in here: http://www.f1racing.net/en/gallery.php?catID=1921 |
| Posted by: d3v Feb 5 2006, 07:19 PM |
| Looks like black and red have replaced yellow as the colour of the back of the field. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Feb 5 2006, 09:14 PM |
| well, we dunno what aguri's cars look like |
| Posted by: d3v Feb 6 2006, 11:26 PM |
| I'm imagining white and light red/orange just like the ARTA cars, of course that's only happening if ever Autobacs does sponsor them. Though really, Autobacs colours on an F1 car wouldn't be too bad. [EDIT] And speaking of Super Aguri, looks like they're scheduled to make their test debut in February, albeit probably in the old Arrows car. http://www.formula1.com/news/3976.html |
| Posted by: Burlap_Sack Feb 10 2006, 05:33 PM |
This is the McLaren-Mercedes-Benz MP4-21: It looks like a bleeding vibrator.... |
| Posted by: d3v Feb 13 2006, 05:34 PM | ||
  These past few months I've had a feeling that Johnny Walker would be on the sidepods (what with all the F1 billboards they've put up here) and I was right. Looks very shiny, almost as if it were bare polished metal (just like the Mercedes 'Silber Pfeils' of old). Too much black though, or should I say too much of that gradiated airbush black going on, makes the car look dirtier than it is. Looks like Vodafone may jump teams as early as this year. P.S. Looks like the studio lighting is off, the silver looks rather dirty from the front, but really nice and polished from the side. If I'm guessing right, the dirty look is simply the ceiling of the studio being reflected by the paint. [EDIT] Just remembered, Super Aguri will be making their test debut today. Looks like we may finally find out who's driving for them - if Sato as well as Yuji Ide (fromerly w/ Calsonic in SuperGT) are in fact driving for them. [EDIT2] http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/22059/, virtually confirming his drivers seat on the team.  [EDIT3] Looks like http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=210021, and so is Ide. |
| Posted by: d3v Feb 22 2006, 05:42 PM |
| Pics from Super Aguri's first Barcelona test. Images c/o http://www.motorsport.com Yuji Ide taking the car out   Ide on the track  SA05 in the Pits  Takuma Sato taking the car out  Taku taking the car for a spin     Super Aguri did relatively okay in their first test (read: the car survived). Reliability was still an issue and the team is still working on the traction control software as Taku had spun out when it started raining. Yuji Ide's first test session got him running 44 laps before having to stop due to gearbox problems. Taku's best lap time: 1:30.244 Ide's best lap time: 1:24.455 Taku ran on day 1 and was sixth overall, fastest lap was set by Mark Webber at 1:17.676. Ide ran on day two and was 14th overall, fastest lap tiem was set by Kimi at 1:15.224. Still a long ways to go for Super Aguri, but it's encouraging news that they were only 10 seconds off from Kimi's pace despite having an older car modified to 2006 specs. P.S. With a only Bridgestone and Honda markings as well as a relatively small number of aerodynamic winglets and protrusions, the SA05 is actually IMO one of the better looking cars on track. |
| Posted by: d3v Mar 1 2006, 07:38 AM |
And yet another post from me, Super Aguri's race livery. Still very much white - looks like the Japanese are the only ones sticking to national race colours (Toyota, Honda and SAF1 all have predominantly white cars). Very clean looking, sad to see that the cleanest looking car on the grid is also the worst performing - being a revised 2002 car. In related news, Frank Montagny is Super Aguri's third driver for Bahrain and Malaysia, though he's unsigned after that, probably to elave a window open in case he get's an offer from Champ Car. |
| Posted by: d3v Mar 11 2006, 07:53 AM |
| Micheal Schumacher's on pole, making him equal to Ayrton Senna in having 65 pole starts. Felipe Massa is a surprising 2nd, Buttons is third, Alonso 4th, JPM 5th, Barichello 6th, Webber 7th, 8th, Fisicella 9th. Heidfeld 10th. Kimi suffered an unfortunatle and as of yet unexplained suspension failure on this first lap and will start 22nd. So far the new qualifying format (2 15 minute session and 1 20 minute session with race fuel load) is actually quite entertaining having most drivers running flying laps most of the time, especially as the clock counts down towards the end of a session and they try to avoid getting stuck in the bottom six (who are unable to move on to the nest elimintaion session). While Micheal is sitting on pole, his 3rd session best of time of 1m 31.431s was not the fastest. That belongs to defending champion Alonso who clocked 1m 31.215s during the 2nd session. It's also interesting to note that the red cars will be out first on a dirty track and will effectively run as sweepers, cleaning the Sakhir circuit of the sand it is so notorious for. Is this part of Renault and Honda's strategy (as even Ferrari is surprised at achieving pole)? Only time will tell. Other notes, the Toro Rosso's of Scott Speed and Tonio Liuzzi don't seem to have an advantage due to running restricted V10s, unlke what many speculated. Super Aguri is predictably at the back of the grid, however their performance looks more together than one would expect from a team formed in such a short span of time. Finally, Christian Klien's performance was the most pleasant surprise of the day, holding on to provisional pole for most of the 2nd session and outperforming his teammate David Coultard. |
| Posted by: EA99 Mar 11 2006, 08:05 AM |
DAMN d3v your info owns on F1!! i can't wait til the 1st race!! anyways keep up the good work  and jsut wondering Ide sounds SO damn familiar.. has he been on best motoring? |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Mar 11 2006, 10:57 AM |
| six seconds is more than respectable running on prehistoric aero package |
| Posted by: d3v Mar 11 2006, 08:15 PM | ||
He probably has. He also has the distinction of being the lst person to win a JGTC race in a Skyline GT-R. Super Aguri have done a damn fine job on updating the old Arrows A23 into a 2006 spec car. Other than the large twin-keel, it looks very much like a fresh for '06 spec car. |
| Posted by: Lakersfanman33 Mar 11 2006, 08:28 PM |
| Well, I'm gettin up at 5 a.m. to watch Bahrain. I got my money on Raikonnen. But Toyota is my team. |
| Posted by: d3v Mar 11 2006, 10:03 PM | ||
Unfortunately, Raikonnen is starting from 22nd position on the grid. I'm betting on either a Renault or Honda on the top step of the podium - it'd be nice to see Honda take their 1st win (as a manufacturer) since the 60s. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Mar 11 2006, 11:12 PM | ||
the twin keel is the problem i think. wayyy outdated in design. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Mar 12 2006, 12:23 AM |
| well, I wouldn't be surprised if Räikkönen would rise to the top five from the behind. he has done it before. if his car would be just a little more reliable, I'd be happy.. |
| Posted by: EA99 Mar 12 2006, 12:55 AM |
| i'm rooting for toyota though i dont see that happening |
| Posted by: Lakersfanman33 Mar 12 2006, 03:18 AM |
| Well, Toyota is supposedly the biggest spender this year. Even tho money doesnt mean wins, it counts for something. |
| Posted by: d3v Mar 12 2006, 06:50 AM |
| Alonso wins over Micheal in what I hear was an amazing dogfight! Damn, too bad I had to go out to dinner with the family - only caught the start. Kimi also did well, climbing from 22 all the way to 3rd. Button had a rough start which had him dogfight with teammate Barrichello, but he got up to speed and even led for a while, eventually finishing 4th, 0.6 seconds behind Kimi. Fastest lap was set by, big surprise Nico Rosberg at 1m 32.406s. Renault and McLaren are now tied w/ 10 points each in the constructors standings (Fisico retired while JPM was a distant 5th, half a minute behind Button). Ferrari is 3rd w/ 8 pts. Hondfa and Williams are tied at 4th with 5 points each (Webber and Rosberg were 6th & 7th, Rubens finished at 15th after some problems). Super Aguri's Takuma Sato finished last (no surprise) with Yuji Ide retiring after some pit stop problems. Jaques Villenueve also retired after his car caught fire, a dissapinting result after showing a drive that was light years better than last years. |
| Posted by: Lakersfanman33 Mar 12 2006, 08:32 AM |
| Augh! I woke up at 5, but fell asleep on the couch. Caught the 1st 20 laps tho. |
| Posted by: d3v Mar 12 2006, 09:22 AM |
| Same here, missed the latter half of the race (although not because I fell asleep, tehre was enough action in this one to keep me awake). Anyway, here's a look at the http://www.formula1.com/insight/technical_analysis/race/2006/751/250.html, very much up to date with the rest of the '06 runners & borrowing heavily from Honda (was there ever any doubt). And to asnwer that earlier post, a double keel is technically more aerodynamically efficient than a singe keel, albeit rather difficult to implement (resulting in soe rather 'radical' designs - Williams FW26 Walrus nose). The old A23 itself was one of the more ambitious and promising designs of the '02 season among the midfield teams before Arrows' financial problems tanked the team. It's nice to see it have one last run in F1, even as an interim car for 3 or 4 races before SAF1's new car (the SA106) makes it's debut. Also, here's a look at the http://www.formula1.com/insight/technical_analysis/race/2006/751/249.html, which details which parts failed (due to a manufacturing fault) during qualifying. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Mar 12 2006, 09:38 AM |
| twin keel MIGHT be more efficient than a single keel, but it disrupts airflow to the front diffuser and that's a fact (see the V-keel of the RB2 link in that very same page) not to mention the fact that it's not all aero in F1, you do need mechanical grip and with a twin keel, you compromise by having shorter lower A arms (and that's NEVER a good thing) |
| Posted by: Blazing Bullet Mar 12 2006, 11:00 AM |
| Kimi pWns all............. and mclaren pWns kimi LOL. hes probably the most unlucky guy around.... but he definately would have won the first race of the season if it wasnt for the suspention failing during qualifying.... |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Mar 12 2006, 11:37 AM |
| and schumacher would've won if it wasn't for the fact that the car wasn't as quick as the renault mid-race lol would've could've should've |
| Posted by: lance Mar 12 2006, 01:49 PM |
| omg missed the first race? |
| Posted by: d3v Mar 12 2006, 05:18 PM | ||
Hence all the problems with twin-keel cars in years past (again,my example would be the walrus nosed FW26). However, in a situation where aerodynamic grip is valued more than mechanical grip (as is the case in F1), twin keel seemed like a viable solution - something that in a way has evolved into the "zero-keel" design seen in almost all of the fastest cars on the grid (RA106, R26, MP4-21), Only the Ferrari I believe is running an old single keel design (w/ Redbull using similar suspension geometry with a V-keel instead). And speaking of "could've, should've, would've", Jenson might have given Honda their first win (as a factory team) in 2 decades if not for that rubbish start which dropped him 2 places on the grid. IMO, at that point they shouldve gotten team orders and had Jenson slip past an obviously slower Rubens. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Mar 12 2006, 05:43 PM |
| I don't think the designers value aero grip more than mech grip. they DO value aero EFFICIENCY, which is entirely a different story. i noticed you always used the walrus as reference. Is this a Mark Ortiz influence?  |
| Posted by: d3v Mar 12 2006, 10:46 PM |
| Funny, I recall hearing somewhere that F1 cars were too dependent on aerodynamic grip and that design focus tended to be biased towards that. As Patrick Head once stated ""As ever, it's about maximum downforce, minimum drag and adequate cooling..." As for the FW26, well it's the most well known example of a promising double-keel experiment gone wrong, and probably one of the most discussed and documented F1 designs in recent history. |
| Posted by: d3v Mar 13 2006, 06:29 PM |
| Just a short update prior to Malaysia. Newbie team (F1's current whipping boy) Super Aguri F1 have launched their http://www.saf1.co.jp/en/. It includes a few interesting comments from both the drvers and team principal Aguri Suzuki as well. Aguri admitted that they were treating the race more as a test, due to the limited testing time they had over the winter. Also, they've stated that Ide stopped due to a gearbox failure where he initially couldn't put the car into neutral (hence explaining why he couldn't stop properly in the pits). It wasn't said however, whether or not this failure led to his engine stopping (I'm guessing it did though). Oh, and those into fashion and accessories (aka "Bling") can take a gander at one of the new Super Aguri handbags, c/o sponsor Samantha Kingz, the mens brand of Samantha Thavasa. Taku and Ide are gonna be joinging the ranks of Beyonce and Paris Hilton as models/promoters for Samantha's bags. http://inews.sports.msn.co.jp/formula1/f12005/news/img/20060305-6-1369-03.jpg http://inews.sports.msn.co.jp/formula1/f12005/news/img/20060305-6-1369-04.jpg [EDIT] Seen at Bahrain.  BEST BELT EVER!!! |
| Posted by: d3v Mar 17 2006, 04:11 AM |
| Once again, Honda's Anthony Davidson set's the fastest time in Friday practice with white how 1m 35.041s lap set right at the end of the session, after spnning out into the gravel. Meanwhile reigning WDC Fernando Alonso was third, the fastest race driver with 1m 35.806s. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Mar 17 2006, 07:39 AM |
| the 1.35.0 is still slower than the one Wurz set in the morning. by a hair but still. Ant did not set the fastest time in fri practice, wurz did. |
| Posted by: d3v Mar 17 2006, 08:34 AM |
| Ahh crap! Forgot to check the morning practice times. |
| Posted by: d3v Mar 17 2006, 11:18 PM |
| Amazing session of qualifying. Jenson sets fastest lap on the 2nd session and almost get's pole position until Giancarlo comes in with a scorching lap to take pole. The big story however is Nico Rosberg who threatened to take pole position in only his 2nd Formula 1 race until Jenson (and then Fisico) set faster times, he'll be starting at 3rd alongside Mark Webber at 4th. It's bad news however for David Coultard, both Ferrari drivers, Rubens Barichello and Ralph Schumacher who are all penalized 10 places on the grid due to engine changes. Ralph's was the most dramatic as he had had just gotten provisional pole on his TF106 when his engine blew. |
| Posted by: d3v Mar 19 2006, 12:58 AM |
| Fisico wins! After a season that started at the top and then went downhill, Giancarlo Fisichella is on the top step of the podium again. 2nd Place is reigning WDC Fernando Alonso followed by Jenson Button |
| Posted by: hellbent Mar 24 2006, 01:01 AM | ||
| Well the new rules changes are out for 2008. and I for now am pissed as hell. No thank you, I'll go instead watch Le mans prototypes instead and the GP2 cars.
Looks like F1 has gone away of being the most advanced motorsports in the world. Looks like Alonso did the right thing in moving to Mclaren. I just read 20,000RPM magazine. and they had a thoughtfull discussion why Alonso signed with Mclaren. Seems all the signs are that Renault will pull out of F1 in the next few years. And with these changes, Id say thats garuneeted. Although looks like these rules are more friendly for Priveteer teams. the $48Million fee is gone replaced with a $300,000 fee instead. But the rule that Iam hating the most at the moment. is the ban on Tyre warmers. How can they ban those, If I read correctly, One of the contributing factors on the death of Ayrton Senna was that his tyres were not up to normal temps when he crashed. now Iam wondering that instead of having the fastest machines on the planet, we will have the second or even third fastest machines simply because of their tyres not performing half the time. And with this we can kiss goodbey to any sorts of track records being broken again. |
| Posted by: d3v Mar 24 2006, 07:25 AM | ||||||||||
Actually, these are the only changes that I find rather iffy.
These are just extensions of the current rules. By making gearboxes last longer, gearbox technology is going to get a big boost since not only will they now have to be designed to last.
Finally, the whole gentlemens agreement thing on testing never worked, what with the Maranello boys frequently violating it without being penalized.
If this pans out, it's going to be like it was back in the 60's and 70's with alot of privateer teams entering and winning. Who knows, we may even see the resurgence of classic names like Lotus or even Dan Gurney's AAR Eagles. The only iffy part is that what Ford & Cosworth did with the legendary DFV engine (where it powered just about every other team on the grid) won't happen again. The upside though is that the F1 "cottage industry" will grow since smaller firms can start manufacturing parts in low volume for F1 teams.
More races is fine by me! F1 will still remain the pinnacle of motorsports. Why? Simply because it is still the most popular one. Even the kid down the street who has no idea of what Le Mans is knows about Micheal Schumacher and his 7 world championships. Popularity means that the teams and sponsors will still keep pushing things to the limit to compete in F1. Besides, innovation always works best in the face of adversity. Look at the lap times of the slower V8s, they're just as fast as the old V10s were. Also, you can't really blame "Mad" Max Mosley for trying to make F1 a bit cheaper, after all, he did get into the sport as a principal for the old March team. |
| Posted by: hellbent Mar 24 2006, 10:50 PM |
| D3V u watched the Malasyan GP, the lap times were nearly 3 seconds slower than last year. The trap speed was down about 12KMH, alot were they measure in 0.01KMH. No the new V8 are not as fast as last year, their slow compared to the V10. what we are seeing is just the evolutions of further refinment in Aerodynamics. To me I would rather have 10 of the most highly technological and sofisticated teams than 30 of low cost, less advanced teams. And the fact remains that Tyre warmers are banned, Id doubt that is going to be taken with grace from the F1 teams. Also, before, u forgot to mention the contreversy surronding Ferrari at the Malasyan GP, Iam sure u caught it urself, the front wing vibrating at high speed. supposdly this lessens the drag at high speed, then goes back to normal drag mode in low cornering speed. Active Aero is banned in F1, and thats what most teams thought it was. Yet the FIA did tests, and have stated that the wing doesnt brake rules. Iam wondering how Ferrari managed to pull this one off. Cause u can clearly see it vibrating at high speed, working to lessen the drag, once the speed drops, it sorts of becomes stationary. I want to see the technical aspect of that. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Mar 24 2006, 11:25 PM |
| basic cantilever beam knowledge applied. nothing active at all about it. |
| Posted by: hellbent Mar 24 2006, 11:30 PM |
| Mind explaing a little InitialN00b, How does it when in high speed, sort of slide out a little, then at low speed looks to be slides in. |
| Posted by: d3v Mar 24 2006, 11:45 PM |
| So you'd rather F1 be a sport where he wh spends the most wins, you might as well have a series where (to quote Clarkson) "each team were asked to roll up with a copy of its most recent bank statement." and the winner would be"the one with the most amount of noughts." And you forget that for many, the heart and soul of Formula 1 is in the privateers. Ferrari started out a a privateer after he broke from Alfa. Colin Chapman, arguably the greatest designer ever to grace formula one got his start with the old Vanwall team, before founding Lotus. Then there's Jack Brabham, the last guy to win an F1 race, and a championship even, in a car of his own design. And who can forget the Cosworth boys (Mike Costing, Ken Duckworth & co.) whose DFV engine powered more GP winning cars than any other engine in history. What Max wants to do with the new regs (w/c I hear are enthusiastically supported by Renault's Flavio Briatore) is to allow for men like these to return to the sport (after all, he himself was on of them, as part of the old March team). |
| Posted by: hellbent Mar 25 2006, 12:10 AM |
| I do understand what ur saying, and in all honesty I would rather watch old F1 footage then todays F1, more exciting in those days. I just hope F1 doesnt lose its reputation of being the most advanced motorsport. and now that you mention Brabham and Lotus, I'll change my attitude towards the new rules, let there be more teams. I pray that Lotus one day returns back to F1, WAIT, something caught my eye, if a team changes a engine or gearbox, instead of a 10 grid penalty, its now a 15KG penalty, in the world of F1, were even a 1 gram is taken off, anyone with that penalty can seriously have a diffuclt time with the rest. Imagine if say a team like Super Aguri gets that 15KG penalty, they can kiss their chances goodbye at anything than last. And no Iam not thinking of the present, Iam thinking of the next couple of years, when Super Aguri will have everythin in order and have their own chassis instead of using a prehistoric one like this season. and if say new teams do end coming in, no doubt they will be struggling in the first or second season, imagine a team like that of knowing they have no chance of winning a race, maybe a top 10, but getting that 15kg penalty, last place is garuanteed. Althought we could then argue that F1 teams will have to find ways of making their engines and gearboxes last. But at what price, limiting the speed even further. Then whats the point of being the most advanced if it also isnt the fastest. |
| Posted by: EA99 Mar 25 2006, 04:24 AM |
| zzz posting here a bit, the F1 season should be good with more competitive teams this year unlike 2005 where Mclaren and Renault just dominated.. its good they allowed tyre changes in the pits again ^-^ o yeah and also is it true that the F1 Japan for 2007 is Fuji speedway? i heard that somewhere that it will be used instead of Suzuka? is there any truth to that? o_O |
| Posted by: d3v Mar 26 2006, 04:35 AM |
| @hellbent I figure a weight penalty could possibly be less of a challenge than a 10 place demotion. A car in the back tends to suffer a lot sicne it doesn't have the clen air that a car inf ront can enjoy. The 10 place thing anyway has been under fire for some time now and weight penalties have been used successfully in other series. As for the gearbox, at least with the new rules, Super Aguri doesn't have to pay to develop a new, reliable box, they can just buy from which company (say Ricardo, X-Trac or even Hewland) has the best box and fit it to their engines. @EA99 Suzuka is (sadly) out and Fuji is in. Suzuka is a favorite track of many a fan and driver alike and it will be missed (no more 130R ). Fuji itself also has alot of history, but of course that was with the old track , I'm holding out to see how racing on the new track (with the technical section replacing the old high-speed final corner) will be. There are rumours however that Suzuka will be back as either the "Asian GP" or "Pacific GP" |
| Posted by: StReEtWaLkeR Mar 26 2006, 06:50 PM |
| after reading cafefully pass couple of pages, watching Fiscella won easily...I think F1 should get a woman driver soon (Just pop out of my mind!) |
| Posted by: d3v Mar 27 2006, 12:57 AM | ||
Wait, doesn't it have one alre..... oh wait, that's just Jarno Trulli. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Mar 27 2006, 11:17 AM |
| 10 place demotion is a LOT more severe. the first corner mayhem alone is costly enough. |
| Posted by: hellbent Mar 27 2006, 05:42 PM |
| True, but it sure is fun to Watch. I guess we'll have to wait and see which one is better, a 15KG penalty or a 10 place demotion BTW- Speaking of Jarno Trulli, looks like hes the new whipping boy in F1, what the hell happend to him at Malasya, getting passed on the same corner 3 straight times or was it 4. Clearly something was amiss. If he contunies like this, then his F1 seat is gone. |
| Posted by: hellbent Mar 27 2006, 07:26 PM |
| Looks like BMW Sauber, Honda, McLaren, Renault and Toyota will be back for the 2008 season. and here people (as with Alonso) thought that Renault would pull out by 2008 or 09. well there still a chance for 09. By signing these teams agree by the new rules for 08. But the biggest name still hasnt signed up, Ferrari. and what of the others. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Mar 27 2006, 08:25 PM |
| Ferrari signed onboard MONTHS ago. |
| Posted by: hellbent Mar 27 2006, 08:32 PM |
| Looks like I missed it. with this, I guess we can say for now the manufacturers breaking awaw from F1 is on hold. |
| Posted by: d3v Mar 28 2006, 01:49 AM |
| Here's a http://www.formula1.com/news/4157.html to the 2008 engine rules. After meeting with Ferrari, Cosworth and Renault, the FIA have decided to remove the 3 year freeze on engines.... ...and replace it with a 5 year freeze. Changes will be permitted however, but only to improve reliability and/or cost efficiency and on a yearly basis. Under the enw rules, the ff. parts can be changed on the yearly basis. - ports; - combustion chamber shape; - valve size, shape, and angle; - piston crown (the weight of the piston must remain the same, as must piston ring position and compression height); - camshaft profiles and valve actuation kinematics; - intake manifolds; - injector nozzles (not injector actuator); - spark plugs; - changes to the cylinder head consequential upon and limited to those resulting from the above. |
| Posted by: hellbent Mar 31 2006, 08:53 PM | ||
Has anyone read the latest news, jesus christ. Just take a look
And thats not including the manufacturer teams. D3V u may have been right about the FIA wanting to make things like the 60s and 70s. To bring in more Privateer teams. All I can say is, YES, this will make it good. Iam hoping another Jack Brabham or Colin Chaplin type person will pop-up. And did u see Button today, damn he was fast. and the Mclaren clearly had their heads straight. I was thinking why Montya and Raikonnen only practised for 3 laps during the morning session. Then qualifying comes and their flying. I have my money on them. Renault no surprise was fast, what was though was Alsono going out on Slick tyres during the wet morning session while some had Wet and some had Extreme tyres on. And our Canadian driver looks good, both the BMW looked good today, shame that Villa has to take a 10 place penalty dropping him to 19, Williams looks simply amazing, no wonder their Cosworth V8 is the talk of the pits. Its going to be an exciting race, and hopefully even better season. |
| Posted by: EA99 Mar 31 2006, 09:02 PM |
| its looking good for my team, though i feel sorta sh1t for trulli, sif not being able to even RUN in the final qualifying damn birds but nonetheless he's shown he has the pace and how good was the last like 10 minutes of qualifying... it was sooooooooo exciting xD!! |
| Posted by: hellbent Mar 31 2006, 09:19 PM |
| Yeah it was, The new qualifying format is certainly better than last year. Lets hope the trend contunies through the year. |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 1 2006, 09:15 AM |
| Gah! Missed the live telecast! Forgot that it would be braodcast early in the morning (10AM here where I am) and ended up sleeping through it (went drinking the night before so I had a hangover as well). But hot damn Button was fast! Looks like Honda's well on their way to winning their first GP as a manufacturer after more than 30 years (if, that is, they can get their pit strategy right). |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 1 2006, 04:53 PM |
| yep yep Honda is really fast this year.. blazing if you will but anyways it will be interesting to see the season now with most of the manufactorers pretty much done with all those minor problems etc. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 1 2006, 09:52 PM | ||
Oh hondas are blazing all right literally all the way to 10 yards in front of the finish line |
| Posted by: soujiro_seta Apr 1 2006, 09:57 PM | ||
Yeah, I was like "WTF happened to Button's F1 machine!?!?!?!?!?!" Gah, I'm so upset right now.. But damn, Alonso dominated the whole race. His F1 machine was just running smoothly. Heh atleast Ralf Schumacer finished 3rd, yay TOYOTA. lol EDIT: Couldn't Button just selected neutral to cross the finish line? |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 1 2006, 10:09 PM |
| ROFL i chose the best words.. Blazing poor button i mean JUST losing to fisichella.. i would be screaming WTF!!! and DAMN if that race had like 2 more laps... kimi > alonso!! damn o_O 4 laps to go then from 8 seconds down to 1.8... fastttt, and finally toyota has set its self up for a good year after 2 really REALLY bad GP's though thats just bullSh1t with what happened to trulli uh neutral? = car not moving... |
| Posted by: soujiro_seta Apr 1 2006, 11:27 PM | ||
Heh, I wondered if he could've just put it in neutral, if that's even possible, just to cross the finish line instead of killing the engine. |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 2 2006, 12:50 AM |
| doubt he killed the engine.. i mean button was THAT close to finishing, so its pretty much assumable that he tried to get across that line, but when that Sh1T exploded, its more like im out of here biznitches! |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 2 2006, 02:39 AM |
| I believe it's part of the rules somewhere that a driver if possible should move his car out of the racing line when such an event happens. Poor Jense though, beating Giancarlo would have been the highnpoint in what was generally a bad race for Honda in general. Finishing in that place could've potentially put him in a solid third for the drivers championship. |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 2 2006, 04:49 AM |
| "could have" but its bad luck for honda... and ferrari.. and toyota (trulli SEEF) and williams and redbull/toro roso LOL damn that race was like watching bumper cars o_O |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 2 2006, 06:14 AM |
| I've a feeliong that last corner will be looked at and possibly "fixed," what with all the spectacular crashes there today. [EDIT] Aha! Looks like Button stopped before the line to avoid a 10 place penalty for the resulting engine change for San Marino. |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 2 2006, 06:01 PM |
| New details on some of the 22 new applicants for 2008. http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns16628.html reports that confirmed applications have come from Prodrive and Paul Stoddart (the return of Minardi?) It's also rumoured that possibly Craig Pollock, Eddie Jordan and Eddie Irvine to have made entries . Also, a few GP2 teams are expected to ahve entered as well the most likely being Race Engineering and DPR Direxiv. However, http://www.speedtv.com/articles/formulaone/auto/22854/, who was rumoured to be making an entry (after being involved in talks with Bernie Ecclestone last December) will not be making an entry citing the fact that he's already too busy with his other teams. |
| Posted by: Möbius Apr 2 2006, 08:22 PM | ||
I saw that on TV today, that was unexpected... |
| Posted by: Burlap_Sack Apr 2 2006, 11:45 PM |
 This is what happens when you drive a Honda..... |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 3 2006, 01:43 AM |
| It's a bit ironic really when their road cars have some of the most reliable engines around. Kudos to the other two Honda powered cars though for both finishing the race, especially since the last time Ide's SA05 was in Australia, it was reportedly as display car outside a burger joint. Also, it was rather amusing to see Taku actually racing with Rubens as if trying to give Honda a message on who should've been in that race seat. |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 3 2006, 06:22 AM |
| LOL i used to be a damn honda hater, due to rice, but if you look past that, Honda actually produce really good cars, my fav esp the AP1 and the NEW civic looks real really good from their past releases and is it me or did anyone see that paint on the track was coming off during the race? o_O |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Apr 3 2006, 08:06 AM |
lo.. can't say much more than H0nd4 4 t3h w1n!  quote: "especially since the last time Ide's SA05 was in Australia, it was reportedly as display car outside a burger joint. Also, it was rather amusing to see Taku actually racing with Rubens as if trying to give Honda a message on who should've been in that race seat." ermm.. is that available in the net? i wanna see it too! |
| Posted by: Rose Gold Apr 3 2006, 08:08 AM | ||
aaaayyyeeee |
| Posted by: hellbent Apr 3 2006, 12:47 PM |
| Looks like I made a mistake in the 22 applicants for the 08 season. the 22 applicants includes teh 11 teams of present. So of all only 11 are new applicants. However since the FIA says only 12 can compete. and the 11 current teams are gaurennted entry, there is only 1 spot to fight for from the 11 new applicant teams. Shame really, I thought Id see more teams. |
| Posted by: Möbius Apr 3 2006, 05:55 PM | ||||
| Now why do they have only 12 teams allowed? They could just set limitation to enter each race only if you qualify in the top 12.... Edit : Found some interesting stuff:
Source : http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4864990.stm Edit 2 : Even more interesting stuff :
Source : http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4849772.stm |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 3 2006, 07:04 PM |
| Not surprising with the cost cutting measures that the FIA is implementing (many of which were supposedly influenced by Renault's Flavio Briatore). As for the new teams, I believe going beyond 12 would be very expensive, expecially since F1 safety regs have made it so that 12 is the maximum number of F1 teams that most tracks can safely accomodate. Also, I believe they also want to be strict as to prevent another Andrea Moda esque scandal from occuring. |
| Posted by: Möbius Apr 3 2006, 07:40 PM | ||
What I mean, 12 teams on any track at any given time... But that doesn't mean that there can be 22 teams vying to run the race in qualifying... |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 3 2006, 08:43 PM |
| exactly bring back the days of prequalifying that stuff was the shinitz |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 3 2006, 10:07 PM |
| I doubt the teams would agree to have more than the 12 since they'd be competing for a slice of the revenue pie. Just figuring out alone how to split the revenue between thsoe who race and thsoe who don't would be give a them headache. It might even come to the point where a non-competitive teams might not want to run a race sicne they know they won't qualify and might not get revenue. Anyway, on a slightly different note, Flavio Briatore is embarrased at how well his team is doing. http://www.autosport.com/subs/login.php?r=http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/50703&type=news&id=50703 |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 5 2006, 05:57 PM |
| Looks like Mike Gascoyne is as good as out. http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=213948 If this does result in Gascoyne getting fire, I'm hoping that this means the end of the horrible looking aero packages that Toyota has been puting out as of late. |
| Posted by: Ben Apr 5 2006, 06:01 PM |
| 9 pages??? Boy I have been missing out. |
| Posted by: hellbent Apr 5 2006, 06:04 PM |
| Well its a shame that it came to this. But the execs in Japan must be fuming at how poorly their team has been. Being the biggest spender in F1 and not being competitive must also get them riled up. However, reading that Toyota is believed going to restructre their whole managament and technical staff at the beginning of the season prolly wont help them in the current situation nor will they see anything positive this season. I believe that Toyota will finally wake up next season. Some people jockingly say that nothing can stop Toyota today, and I believe that, no matter what probs, the execs will find ways of over-coming them. |
| Posted by: Ben Apr 5 2006, 07:50 PM |
| Toyota are going brilliantly... A podium last week, points all season... I'd say they were going their best in a long while. Are you guys talking about Super Aguri? Or just Toyota/japan in general... I cbf reading back. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 5 2006, 09:06 PM |
| i woulnd't call one podium in 3 races going brilliantly considering they released their car all the way back at the end of 05. i want to like em, but everytime i see how they manage critical personnel and drivers, it's hard to see them go anywhere. |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 5 2006, 11:16 PM |
| Compared to last season's start, Toyota has been doing poorly this year. Ralph got to the thrid step on the podium more becasue of the safety car periods then on pace. Now, Honda is definitely competitive, barring Jenson's spectacular mishap last Sunday. If they can just improve (mostly their strategy as well as their no. 2 driver), they're on track to getting their 3rd win (their first since 1967) by the German GP at Hockenheim (Jenson's favorite circuit and one he's traditionally done well in). |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 6 2006, 09:33 AM |
| Hondas might be "competitive", but they ain't going to win unless there's a miracle (aka both mclarens + alonso blowing up AND fisi isn't near the front) Lack of 2nd stint pace has plagued Jense since 2004, and I don't see it going away for now. Besides, they still got Kimi and Alonso to deal with. edit: The whole purpose of qualifying up front is so that it makes ur race easier. Going backwards in the first 5 laps is undoing all the hard work you gained when you qualifed in the front row. |
| Posted by: Ben Apr 6 2006, 04:54 PM |
| LOL ^^ So true. Button won't win without some seriously good driving on his part, alot of luck and a brilliant, one of strategy. But you said both McClarens, Juan, IMO isn't up to scratch, I reckon Button surpasses him, even with a slower car. As you saw on Sunday, he is too... I never thought i'd say this, agressive. I mean, have you known anyone to spin on a warm up lap? Then his driving style just annoys me. Barrichello has lost it... He needs right foot braking back fast. They need to get him alot quicker so they can both challenge for it instead of having something like Massa-Shuey over at Honda. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 6 2006, 08:04 PM |
| you don't forget how to win after you've been champ car champ and indy500 champ not to mention juan HAS won in f1, i can't say the same for jense. |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 6 2006, 09:35 PM |
| Jense's bad second stints this season seem more the fault of team strategy than any percieved ability to maintain pace (and most, non-engine related problems in Australia were due to the cars having problems generating grip w/ cold tyres). While he still hasn't had a win, he's been steadily improving and has been consistent so far this season. Juan, seems rather inconsistent, especially compared to Kimi, w/c is a problem if he wants to retain his seat at McLaren when Alonso transfers in 2007. Rubens is a big dissapointment, I almost wish that Honda had kept Sato instead as the latter seems to have matured abit more this year (the only reason I say almost, is that I beleived any growing up by Taku comes from helping lead a new team). |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 6 2006, 09:47 PM |
| I don't think the pro-Jense environment back at BAR was of any help to Taku. Now his team principal is japanese, his teammate is japanese and i think some of the engineeres are japanese also; that'll help TREMENDOUSLY. It's a working culture issue IMO. True he's been overseas for a long while, but one is always more comfortable when one's at home, and thus when you're comfortable, you tend to improve more. (just look at RB) Jense's 2nd stint issue has been here since 2004; go review the tapes. He ALMOST has Trullism except Jarno's pace is a linear drop at times and Jense only drops in the 2nd stint. Either Jense isn't up to par compard to Fernando, or Fernando is just THAT good. I'm referring to the Hockenheim race in 04. It was clear that BAR had a faster car than Renault that year, but yet on a 3 stopper race it took 2 stints to pass the Renault. Pure team strategy in question? I think not. |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 6 2006, 09:56 PM |
| I'm only reffering to this year, since it seems lately that Honda always seems to put him out right behind someone instead of trying to get a clear track when he comes out, as Renault seem to be quite good at doing. And comapring Jense to Fernando is a bit unfair, I never said that he was championship material (he's still got alot to improve), ut I believe that a win is in his future sooner, not later. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 6 2006, 09:59 PM |
| comparing fernando circa 2004 is hardly unfair IMO. hell people STILL thought Trulli was quicker than FA until monza! |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 7 2006, 01:14 AM |
| WELL you guys seem to keep dissing toyota, but you forgot.. HOW OLD IS TOYOTA IN F1? its a pretty new team imo with what 4 years experience? |
| Posted by: FC3S_Addict Apr 7 2006, 01:43 AM |
| Here's a question for all of us to think about... WHAT will a F1 look like in 5 to 10 years time? Maybe it will resemble Cyber Formula... |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 7 2006, 02:10 AM |
| dunno, the FIA keeps changing the rules each year, i don't think we can speculate, especially at this point of time. However i would lovvveeee to see Toyota at least win a few GP's by then |
| Posted by: FC3S_Addict Apr 7 2006, 02:21 AM |
| Yea..I agree, considering the amount of cash Toyota dumps into F1, they deservers a win at least... How cool will it be if F1 one cars evolve into Cyber Formula style...! |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 7 2006, 05:06 AM | ||
considering they spent their first year doing NOTHING but testing AND the fact they have a HUGE budget, I odn't think it's unreasonable to expect a win by now. They have all the aero facilities They HAD Gazza They have two world-class drivers who've won gp before They have all the cash and STILL can't bring home a win? |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 7 2006, 05:56 PM |
| well we'll just wait and see won't we i'm still rooting for them |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 7 2006, 06:31 PM |
| @EA99 Honda took only two years before they got their first win (1967 Mexico GP by Ritchie Ginther in the Honda RA272). Granted thigns were simpler then, but then again, looking at how Honda approached the series - running the team as a focused effort instead of just tossing money and solving things by boardroom - you can see where Toyota can learn from their countrymen. @FC3S_Addict It's getting close to that, what with the new split http://pix.crash.net/view/182072.jpg that may become standard by at least 2008. Of course, an F1 aerodynamicist would probably look at a Cyber Formula car and die of a heart attack at how inneficient the aero is (or if it was Mike Gascoyne, adding three thousand ungainly wings everywhere for downforce' sake). |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 7 2006, 06:41 PM | ||
apples to apples please. honda has still yet to win a race after they started supplying power to BAR. |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 7 2006, 07:45 PM |
| True, but the point was comparing Toyota to the original Honda F1 team w/c was a small group of engineers answering directly to a very much involved Soichiro Honda (w/c is more similar to how Renault and McLaren handle their teams today, with Flavio and Ron both very demanding taskmasters) while Toyota seems to handle it's F1 team as if it were just another factory. |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 8 2006, 03:06 AM |
| Well i know you CAN'T COMPARE Honda and Toyota because they are 2 totally different teams! i mean honda has mass experience and that win as you stated, but again as you said the rules back then were soooooo much easier to abide to, unlike now with all these restrictions! and i have to agree with you about toyota, their F1 team is not in priority. Honda i would think uses a lot of its research and develeopment between the primary Honda sports cars and F1, where as Toyota differentiates them separately! Though!!!! you must remember Toyota is also in many more different types of Motorsports, not just F1, for example: WRC If my memory serves me correctly the ST185 and ST205 Dominated when they first were released into mainstream competition, THEN comes the JGTC.. the Supra's ARE dominating with Esso and Denso being primary sponsors for the Toyota F1 team as well thats all i can think of at the top of my head for now.. |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 8 2006, 09:38 AM |
| Actually, Toyota quit the WRC AND Le Mans to join F1.Such a shame to sicne the GT-One could've won the 24 hours had it been given a it more development time. But we're getting a bit off topic now aren't we? |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 8 2006, 06:25 PM |
| what!? toyota quit the WRC? i thought they were still going with their AWD Corolla's? o.O well i don't really consider this off topic because its still motorsports ahh the GT-One.. that thing is blazing fast!! oh! the A1GP is on tonight lol |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 9 2006, 01:30 AM | ||
Yup, in fact, the current headquarters of Toyota's F1 team used to be the HQ of Toyota Team Europe which ran their WRC and Le Mans efforts. |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 9 2006, 03:08 AM |
| yep i was watching the WRC show today... looks like toyota have been out for a WHILE well at least they did dominate with the GT-4's |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 9 2006, 11:31 AM |
| when you cheat, you'd better dominate |
| Posted by: Frost Apr 9 2006, 11:53 AM |
| I thought this was the F1 thread? Unless of course... Toyota has been cheating at F1? Frost |
| Posted by: haspieuw Apr 9 2006, 12:34 PM | ||
please explain .... anyway Renault is really good in this championship and Alonso has a large point avantage from other drivers but its still too early to say who is gonna to win |
| Posted by: Frost Apr 9 2006, 01:18 PM |
| If you cheat and STILL can't win, that says something man. Frost |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 9 2006, 01:19 PM | ||
google toyota celica rally |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 9 2006, 10:28 PM |
| Sad really, Toyota was quite innovative in the WRC and the GT-4 was a very unique couterpart to the Lan Evo and Impreza. And who can forget the Group B cars; the "King of the Desert" http://www.stormloader.com/groupb/photos/toyota.jpg and the never raced 600bhp http://www.stormloader.com/groupb/photos/mr2.jpg Group B. You know, maybe it's high time we put up a separate, pinned rally thread? |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 10 2006, 07:20 AM |
| Great races this past weekend. Opening 2 races for the 2nd season of GP2. They're using bridgestone controlled slicks (as in the organizers decide which compound EVERY team will use for the weekend beforehand) and have gone from a 3 plane wing to a 2 plane. From the onboard shots, the car looks a handful to drive. It's the debut race for last year's Euro F3 champ and highly touted McLaren backed driver Lewis Hamilton. He qualified P3 in race one and finished 2nd. Had an absolute atrocious start (think he was dropped to 10 by turn 2). Great job battling back in one of the more difficult passing circuits (Valencia). Got lucky tho since his teammate Alex Premat who was in front of him had mech troubles and he just slid into the 2nd spot. |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 10 2006, 08:29 AM |
| Hmm, looks like Flavio will have something to be "embarrased" about again. Renault and Fernando have been nominated for "World Team of the Year" and "World Sportsperson of the Year" by the panel(w/c includes Emerson Fittipaldi) of this years Laureus awards. http://www.f1technical.net/news/2499 |
| Posted by: hellbent Apr 10 2006, 02:21 PM | ||
I just picked up the latest issue of RaceTech. and in the back it had a little news tidbit. what I found intresting was this
Now Of the 11 teams vying for that one spot. My money is on Prodrive. Id like to see what they can do in F1, they showed they are capable in WRC, lets see F1. |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 10 2006, 05:02 PM |
| We'll see, Prodrive does seem to be a good fit for F1, what with their success running Subaru's team in the WRC as well as running 575Ms (and DBR9s) in the FIA GT series. Off course it would be infinitely funnier if Eddie Jordan and Paul Stoddart's entries were accepted, with one of them taking the place of Midland (w/c some rumours say may be booted off by 2008). |
| Posted by: Burlap_Sack Apr 13 2006, 10:00 PM |
| Renault are chasing Michael Schumacher for 2007. It's more than likely that he'll stay with Ferrari if he does go on, because of Willi Weber discussing the contractual details with Ferrari. Sources: http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=115124 http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns16663.html |
| Posted by: StReEtWaLkeR Apr 13 2006, 11:43 PM |
| I think Alonso might get deal wit Ferrari and keep Michael Schumacher....Renault could pick up Sebastian Bourdais from Champ Car (if he wins Champ car) to join fellow French man Fiscella....both team would be dominate in the future...if that happens |
| Posted by: Burlap_Sack Apr 14 2006, 12:59 AM | ||
Alonso was already signed to McLaren around 6 months ago. Jeez, you're slow.... Most likely guy to take over from Alonso at Renault is Heikki Kovalainen, their test driver, or a Clay-Courter (i.e., a Spanish-speaking person (if you don't watch tennis, you'll won't know what I'm talking about)) to appease the sponsors. Sebastien is way off Renault's radar. Michael will either stay with Ferrari or quit; Kimi will either go to Ferrari, with Michael there or not, or stay put at McLaren alongside Alonso; Montoya could go anywhere with the biggest paycheck, i.e. Toyota or Red Bull. One more thing, Fisichella is not French, he's Italian.... |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 14 2006, 02:49 AM |
| montoya i doubt will get to toyota, with ralph and trulli picking up their paces at present, it really looks good for the 2 toyota drivers |
| Posted by: Burlap_Sack Apr 14 2006, 03:13 AM |
| Trulli has only this year left on his contract, so who knows. |
| Posted by: hellbent Apr 14 2006, 10:35 AM |
| I doubt we'll ever see Bourdais in F1 anytime soon. Ive read that he is not liked in F1 circles. Doesnt matter if ur a good driver, when some people dont like you, u aint getting in. Heikki Kovalainen prolly has the best chance of joining Renault. I was watching Race of Champions the other day, While its not really a real F1 test. He did end up beating Bourdais and I believe it was Massa. He certainly has the skill to do it. Lewis Hamilton is another driver we could see in the future to start in F1. But all is speculation right now. so we never know. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 14 2006, 11:08 AM |
| Hamilton is set to drive in F1. No way Ron forked out all that cash only to have a "test driver" I wanna see Kubica get a race-seat too..those 3 guys + Nico could give Fernando a real money for his money in a couple of years' time. I odn't see Heikki driving for anyone else but Renault. Flav doesn't let talent like that away from his grasp w/o some major coinage in return. |
| Posted by: hellbent Apr 14 2006, 11:11 AM |
| True True. Altough, Iam not to fimilear with Kubica. For me, My money is on Heikki. Is it just me, or do the fins produce damn good drivers. Mika Kimi and now Heikki in just a few years. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 14 2006, 11:31 AM |
| Kubica's CV is very impressive WSR champion last year Macau F3 runner up to di Grassi hasn't put a wheel wrong for BMW in testing. |
| Posted by: hellbent Apr 14 2006, 11:35 AM |
| Not bad. How old is he? Meh, if villaneuve doesnt do to good. I think Kubica could take his spot. But that just me |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 16 2006, 10:13 PM |
| back on the subject of new teams. Trevor Carlin who was at Jordan/Midland last year, who has helped drivers such as Takuma Sato, Anthony Davidson and Narain Karthikeyan into the sport and whose Carlin Motorsports aprticipates in multiple single seat series such as the British F3, World Series by Renault and Formula BMW, has announced that he is one of the 22 new applicants to F1. Successful applicants will be revealed by the FIA next week on thel 28th (of April). |
| Posted by: ~Rev Free~ Apr 18 2006, 11:55 PM |
| http://www.sportnetwork.net/main/s491/st94118.htm yup yup its in LFS people. http://www.liveforspeed.net some rumors are that BMW will use a LFS developers kit to help train its drivers for the 07 season courses, because well. LFS is just the greatest sim on the planet. hehehhh. |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 19 2006, 03:25 AM |
| It's more probably because LFS gave them the best deal in terms of both promotion and developing a simulator (without having to do one themselves). |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 19 2006, 05:39 AM |
| can't wait for this patch to come out. |
| Posted by: hellbent Apr 19 2006, 08:42 AM |
| Ive been contemplating wether to dl and LFS and buy a license. Is it any good, is worth paying for. and on topic- Yes the BMW simulator will be in Canada for the Canadian grand prix. this year, its almost 90% bet that I'll be going. |
| Posted by: ~Rev Free~ Apr 19 2006, 09:59 AM |
| lfs is worth every penny, if you have a wheel that is. and in 3 days if you have S2 you can drive the F1 car plus they're coming out with new physics that make the tires more realistic. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 19 2006, 04:03 PM | ||
i think it's worth every penny. |
| Posted by: ~Rev Free~ Apr 19 2006, 04:20 PM |
| thats +2 for LFS! haha. lol. sorry for hi jacking the thread. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 19 2006, 04:22 PM |
| it's insanely addictive when u'r hotlapping |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 19 2006, 06:39 PM |
| and its insanely a F1 topic LOL |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 20 2006, 05:59 PM |
| And just to get back on topic. San Marino GP this weekend. Weathermen predict possible showers over the weekend. |
| Posted by: hellbent Apr 20 2006, 06:02 PM |
| AH, lovelly, showers. Iam sure that will be a spectacle. How bout we start a little betting here. Pick ur top 3 for this weekend folks. Mine are. 1. Schumy 2. Webber. 3. Kimi |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 21 2006, 12:49 AM |
| top 3? hmm i'm going to have to say 1. Alonso 2. Kimi 3. Trulli XD |
| Posted by: Möbius Apr 21 2006, 06:14 PM | ||
What really happened at the Aus. GP :
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| Posted by: EA99 Apr 21 2006, 06:50 PM |
| ROFL WTF? ARE YOU SERIOUS? o.O |
| Posted by: Möbius Apr 21 2006, 06:52 PM |
| I think it's a joke, but it's really funny.. |
| Posted by: hellbent Apr 21 2006, 07:02 PM |
| No way, this just cant be real. You have any idea how Anal the FIA is. f**kes sakes theres so many officials in the race, I wouldnt be surprised if there are race officials in the washroom. There are just to many people watching you. I dont believe this could happen. BTW- You didnt post the link to where you got this. |
| Posted by: Möbius Apr 21 2006, 07:04 PM |
| Because it's a copy and paste from another forum, where it wasn't credited... It's a joke for sure, just thought I would post it so people could get a laugh out of it... |
| Posted by: hellbent Apr 21 2006, 07:06 PM |
| Yeah I knew it. Just like ur other thread. Although it would be funny as hell, if it happens. |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 21 2006, 08:37 PM |
| Funny as hell! Anyway, my top 3 for the weekend: 1.Alonso 3.Schumi 3.Kimi |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 22 2006, 05:18 AM |
| Qualifying results: P1: Micheal Schumacher P2: Jenson Button P3: Rubens Barrichello P4: Felipe Massa P5: Fernando Alonso P6: Ralf Schumacher P7: J.P. Montoya P8: Kimi Raikkonen P9: Jarno Trulli P10: Mark Webber http://www.formula1.com/race/result/754/24.html Schumacher takes pole as most people expected. Fernando Alonso, surprisingly struggling to match Ferrari's pace. Honda pull out a surprise after beingr ather quiet for most of the weekend. BMW suffering from bad luck as Nick Heidfeld suffered a spin which brought out the yellow flag at the last minute of the secnond period, keeping Giancarlo Fisicella from being able to get into the final 10. JP Montoya performing rather well in the spare car (but with the engine from Melbourne installed). |
| Posted by: Burlap_Sack Apr 22 2006, 06:26 AM |
| Michael Schumacher beats Ayrton Senna da Silva's records for most poles. Record now is 66. |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 22 2006, 06:42 AM |
| WOOT TOYOTA BOTH TOP 10 finish XD |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 22 2006, 08:06 AM | ||
took him a LOT more races to get there. my bet is Ferrari is either on a short first stint, or they're running one more stop than renault/mcLaren. no effing way can kimi be a second and a half off of MS |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 22 2006, 08:31 AM | ||
Well, he did kimi got owned.. by a lot of people not just MS  |
| Posted by: hellbent Apr 22 2006, 08:43 AM |
| looks like maybe my prediction just might come true. WTH happend with Kimi, 1.5 seconds behind, something is diffently not right there. |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 22 2006, 11:09 AM |
| Kimi did okay, it's just that some teams were surprisingly better. Even Toyota was threatening for the pole at some point and Honda suddenly struck near the end of the session, pushing everyone down, just when it seemed like an all Ferrari front row. |
| Posted by: hellbent Apr 22 2006, 12:19 PM |
| looks like Rubens might have got his groove back with this showing. Hopefully he's gotten used the car now. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 22 2006, 02:52 PM | ||
how many times have we seen in the past 10 races where he blitzed the entire field startin from the back and he's not even anywhere near the back this time. quali doesn't get you points |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 22 2006, 04:04 PM |
| well i'm gonna stick to my guns and say ferrari is on a short first stint. much shorter than mclaren. so he (MS) better run fast and he better hope massa does his job during the start and stay ahead of the renaults and mclarens; massa's job this race is to hold those guys up. i'm sure brawn knows he can handle the hondas (once they pit to put on new tires, they're dead anyway), but to beat the renaults and the johnny walkers, he'll need some tactic; and that's what he's oding i think. almost all but impossible to overtake except at tosa and rivazza (even that is optimistic). ms's move on jense last year at variante alta wouldn' thave been possible had MW and NH not held him up leading up to that point. |
| Posted by: hellbent Apr 22 2006, 05:59 PM |
| Iam agreeing with you right there. Imola is not known as one of the overtaking circuits. But better than Monaco. Has to be my least fav circuit. |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 22 2006, 06:06 PM | ||
good F***ing point, i've forgotten how fast kimi can be when hes chasing i'ts scary  3000th POST! |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 22 2006, 06:22 PM | ||
if they hadn't reshaped tamburello into a chicane and then added yet ANOTHER into Tosa, it'd be an awesome track like it was in the late 80s now they just ocmpletely killed the track for F1 cars. for GP2 it's still great, since the cars have less aero grip, but running on slicks, the cars do move around and there's GREAT racing on almost all the tracks (hell if you can see them race tightly w/ tons of action at valencia, u'r guaranteed action everywhere else IMO) never been a fan of monaco... number 1 street layout in the world has to be Pau (sp?) followed by Macau. |
| Posted by: hellbent Apr 22 2006, 06:25 PM |
| True True. But yeah, Iam just not a fan of Monaco. Its basiclly what position you qualify is what place ur getting when the race finishes. I havent researched this, so I could be wrong. But Iam willing to bet that Monaco has the least overtaking of any F1 circuit. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 22 2006, 06:37 PM |
| add hungary to that list. |
| Posted by: hellbent Apr 22 2006, 06:44 PM |
| ah, forgot about Hungary. Yeah that too. BTW- I was watching the First round of the SuperGT, and they mentioned how suzuka lost the F1 for 07, I already knew that. But they said their trying to get a 2nd F1 Grand Prix. I believe calling it the Pacific Grand Prix. Any truth to this. |
| Posted by: Möbius Apr 22 2006, 06:46 PM |
| Hungaroring is THE worst track for passing... |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 22 2006, 07:13 PM | ||
could be. they've had pacific gp before, dunno when it was scrapped but even in 94 they had it at the T1 Aiida or some track with a similar name (totally don't remmeber htat track) i hate the new fuji track that tillke "redesigned", so count me as a fan for a pacific gp at suzuka. schedule wise on the calendar would be tricky..i suppose they could hold it late apr/beginning of may so it's somewhat warm over there, right after the australian gp, but before the european season. that'd dodge the rain troubles that hamper it in sept/october. but then again, suzuki in the wet separates the boys from the men, just like spa |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 22 2006, 09:18 PM |
| Yes, it was at the former TI Aida (now known as Okayama). And yes, Monaco is one place where overtaking very difficutle, yet at the same time, when everyting goes right (or whould we say wrong) can lead to some of the best performances ver (Ayrton Senna in a Toleman storming through the field, in the rain). As for Fuji, I really do miss the final high speed uphill corner leading into the main straight. However I'll reserve passing judgment until I acutally see a race there. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 22 2006, 09:38 PM |
| i'll give you a counter example monaco 92, nigel vs ayrton nigel by far had a superior car, yet he wans't able to pass the man for what must've been 5 laps? |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 22 2006, 09:55 PM | ||
I thought that was because Nigel was to fat to pass Ayrton |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 22 2006, 09:57 PM |
| LMAO! that was a good one |
| Posted by: Burlap_Sack Apr 22 2006, 10:55 PM |
| I bet any money that Ferrari and Honda are running light, but then again, a 3-stopper is just as quick as a 2-stopper at Imola. |
| Posted by: d3v Apr 23 2006, 06:08 AM |
| Micheal Schumacher takes the win for Ferrari after holding of Fernando Alonso in a dogfight that lasted for the final third of the race. 3rd place goes to Juan Pablo Montoya who reaches the podium in the spare car. Dissapointing race for Jenson Button who suffered from 2 terrible pit stops despite showing great pace (worthy of a podium, if not for the refueling problems) for most of the race. Renault and Fernando showing that they are clearly the class of the field by lapping as quick as a (lightly fueled) Micheal Schumacher on the opening laps despite being on a heavier car. Dissapointing race for Honda who (to paraphrase the STar SPorts commentary team) clearly have a car capable of wining races, but need to smooth out their teamwork. Had Button not been delayed (w/c also resulted in him needing a third stop) he might have been on the podium. The dogfight between Schumacher and Alonso was the best part of the race. A reverse of last years San Marino GP, with Alonso chasing and Schumacher defending, it started before the final pit stop and continuing all the way until Alonso made a slight mistake a few laps from the checkered flag which put him almost a second behind the 7 time world champion. |
| Posted by: hellbent Apr 23 2006, 10:10 AM |
| Honestly I thought I was watching last years race, it was a near carbon copy of last year. and what the hell happend to Button, Honda must be wondering why their luck is so shit, That second pitstop damn near killed button, getting whacked in the head by the sign. And this brings me to Toyota, what happend to them, dissapointing race. I look at the fastest laps, and Schumy JNr has the 5th fastest lap, Clearly the car can perform, just seems not when it matters. Honda and Toyota better change or their championship hopes are dead. And race for Mclaren looked like bad too. something was deffinatly not right there. |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 23 2006, 04:49 PM |
| lol trulli 5th lap retires.... and then with button, whacked in the head damn the japanese based companies sure have bad luck. e.g. super aguri midland toyota Honda and Toyota |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 23 2006, 06:07 PM |
| I've only watched a few races where MS REALLY wows me; this was one of em. A master class in race experience/car conservation/pace control and that strategy obviously worked properly. knowing the renault is faster under braking and low speed entry he is still able to run his own line and keep a safe margin in which Alonso can NEVER overtake, which forced Alonso to make a coupe mistakes which could end up ugly, the red car is like a ghost car replay lap after lap defending it's first place without a single sign of being distracted. There was a lap where Alonso got a wheel alongside his rear out of Tosa, but nothing came of it. I was wondering why MS turned in so early and FA saw that and countered w/ a later apex; which resulted in the 2 cars almost lined side by side. Then when FA slipped up, MS went straight away back to the normal line. what a great vid to watch..definitely a keeper alongside last year's imola race. one thing that boggled my mind was why Massa sprinted away after button after he got ahead of FA at hte start. should've backed him up more, but i guess in the scheme of constructors' points, he had to. |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 23 2006, 06:34 PM |
| yep, i watched it last nite, it also really amazes me how MS can keep alonso behind him at a MUCH slower pace. But what really amazes me was when MS pitted for his 2nd stop, he had a longer stop and still got in front of Alonso who should have been in front of MS as soon as he exited the pits. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 23 2006, 06:39 PM |
| i'm not surprised by ms being in front fa did the same thing last year. if u can't pass at tosa, it's done; u'r gonna be stuck for aonther lap |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 23 2006, 06:43 PM |
| i didnt get to see last years i guess thats true about the passing, its really narrow with like no passing points though still i thought alonso would have come out in front o.o |
| Posted by: hellbent Apr 23 2006, 06:43 PM |
| YUP YUP, ur right. BTW- InitialN00b, do u know where I can find the scheme for old Imola circuit, the one that killed Ayrton Senna. Want to see the difference. |
| Posted by: InitialN00b Apr 23 2006, 06:54 PM |
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