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Ohhhhhhhhhh.... Looks like I got to go make a change real soon.

Leaving automatic updates set to automatic: not even once.

Check-only since 2001.

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Bingo.

I would hazard a guess at a vast majority of Windows users.

No problem.

Same here, wouldn't trust Microsoft for anything...


This post has been edited by Möbius on Feb 4 2016, 05:19 PM

I tried Windows 10 for less than 24 hours before teh end of the year 2015.

I had an issue that I did NOT want to deal with in any shape or form. Basically, copying a large number of files from one of my HDD to my 2nd Gen SSD (a 3Gb/s SSD) would only copy a portion of the files and not the whole thing. Yes, you heard that right. Checking the properties of the "Document" folder on C:\ and the backup "Document" folder on G:\ would reveal that the copy on C:\ was incomplete. I did NOT want to deal with that shit. It does not do that on Windows 7. It's the major reason I reverted.

Then, I had ergonomical issues that I could not bare with such as:
- where the "All programs" button is
- the fuckton of "apps" pre-installed you don't need
- Start menu tiles, but not as bad as Win8/8.1 full screen start screen
- The "Settings" menu is different. A "different" I could not bare with.
- Setting a default is so fucking broken and backward. When you can't set your favorite software by their "By default" function anymore... NOPE.
- Of course, there's the data sent to MS but that's easily configured with ShutUp10.

There are some 2 plus though...
+ The right-click on the start menu button gives a ton of handy shortcut.
+ Love the new Task Manager and Ribbon menus in Explorer... but that was added in Win8 so nota Win10 feature.

I didn't even test the virtual desktop though...

ALSO

I'd like to inform you guys of these Windows 7 updates (and Windows 8 too I believe). Those updates are recommanded updates.

Windows 7 and Windows 8 had several telemetry recommanded updates.

You guessed it, these updates do send info to MS! So, remove and hide them.

This post has been edited by Lebon14 on Feb 5 2016, 07:27 PM

The right-click shortcut can also be accessed via WIN+X. It's been in since Windows 8.

are these 4 optional patches that send data par of the newest patches available? i usually install all the optional KB30_________ updates possible to have all the protection possible.

i did a search for the exact number of the patch releases (on previously installed updates) but came up empty for that particular patch update set of numbers. i hope that its good news, however ive DDL'd all the previous patches for MS 7 in the past so i dont know how many similar patches they've sent out in the past few months/years.

at worst, what damage (if any) can done by sending all that data to MS do? i hope it they wont try to use it to sneak windows 10 onto the PCs for OS 7/8.1 despite "fixing" the windows 7/8.1 OS system update settings to block "recommended" WIN 10.

edit: i just found the option to opt out of the customer experience program and ended that MS option.

This post has been edited by 207 on Feb 6 2016, 11:00 AM

I just did a search and the first one that came up is a Microsoft support document that details what the update does (collects diagnostic information):

Support for KB3068708

Btw, are those 4 patches the only ones? Another site I read noted the following patches (including some of the previous four) as well:

• KB2876229 - Installs Skype
• KB2923545 - A patch related to Remote Desktop Protocol
• KB2970228
• KB3035583
• KB2990214
• KB3021917
• KB3068708
• KB2592687
• KB2660075
• KB2506928
• KB2952664
• KB3050265
• KB2726535
• KB2994023
• KB3022345
• KB3068708
• KB2545698 - Update related to core fonts appearing blurred in IE9
• KB3065987

This post has been edited by BOZZ on Feb 6 2016, 03:06 PM

wow thanks Bozz, thats quite a few. though i dont have skype on my PC.

i most definitely have atleast a few of thoseeof those patches on my PC.

im really tempted to remove the patch
KB2923545 - A patch related to Remote Desktop Protocol

i honestly do not like any sort of remote access for my PC. if any work needs to be done on my PC then i'd rather have it done in person than over the web.

It's just a protocol, like HTTP. It's not a service or software for remote access. Even if you remove that update, it's just going to "unpatch" the security hole or whatever it did. The protocol is still going to be there.

thank you very much. i'll probably just leave it alone and try to avoid some more optional KB_________ patches in the future.

Y'all are being MEGA paranoid, damn. The only ones I'm aware of are:

The rest I've seen are unrestricted paranoia with no source, or a lack of knowledge about what the actual update entails (such as one paranoid idiot who recommended uninstalling an update that allows programs designed to run in 10 to run in 7 just because '10' was listed in the update title).

there's a new update regarding the sneak update for windows 10

http://uk.businessinsider.com/windows-10-p...rading-x-2016-5

this sneaky trick applies to the small blue corner pop up notice and the large center-screen white notice to upgrade your OS.

given this imformtion, does this sneaky POS ad circumvent the OS update setting which you chose the PC to check for updates but needs your permission to update anything on your OS?

This post has been edited by 207 on May 29 2016, 03:22 PM

If you already have the GWX app installed--you'll know, because you'll be getting those annoying pop-ups about Windows 10--then yes, it does circumvent that. GWX and Windows Update are separate. GWX has way more authority than you give Windows Update.

This is why if you don't want to get 'upgraded' like a Cyberman, you'll want to use GWX Control Panel to DE-LETE all traces of GWX from your machine before it's too late.

This kind of slimey sneaky shit makes me wonder if there could be a class-action lawsuit in order...

This behaviour seems borderline unethical from Microsoft, at least you don't see other OS makers (Android, Mac OS, iOS, Linux), be it for mobile or desktop, forcing their users to upgrade against their will.

thank you very much for that link, Doctor Who saved the day again from disaster. it worked wonders for that annoying pop up. my father fell for that windows sneak just recently and was trying to have norton 360 sort out the issue on the forced update. he's not the most tech savy but he's not clueless either, more like average to say the least.

just to be clear, im not doubting the source of that GWX control panel. if you trust that tool enough to use it on your PC then i will also trust it on mine.

my father is rather suspicious of any 3rd party program/add-ons. what is the story behind the GWX app? he doesnt know about that app atm but he likely wont be too enthusiastic to DL/install it unless it comes from a trusted source. he usually trusts the crap Microsoft/windows spit out but as we've seen, windows 10 OS can be very sneaky. i doubt the GWX app is from a Window OS source app. how did GWX control panel come along?

i also have to do a few updates to my PC and one important update is KB 3035583. i read on a YT comment that it had something to do with the WIN 10 update app. is it true and if so does the GWX remover nullify it too?


@BOZZ: i dont think they'd have a class action suit unless it causes a lot of inconvenience/time lost to businesses and individuals who were to late to catch onto it and got forced updates on their systems. though a class action suit would serve as a wrist slap to the Windows OS developers to be more forthcoming about those stupid and sneaky tricks of theirs.

i do agree that this sneaky trick stinks to high hell and is far from ethical. its what happens when you have a monopoly on certain devices and can do whatever the hell you want to them. they really should learn a lesson.

@ Tessou: the sneak updates have already caught many off guard in the past few day/week who usually just hit the "X" button.

another article
https://www.thestar.com/business/2016/05/29...10-upgrade.html

This post has been edited by 207 on May 30 2016, 11:39 AM

I'm on alert for this. My laptop cannot work with 10 due to Samsung's weird communication with the GPU. Killing the update dialog is at the top of my priorities.

Apple forces iOS updates when you take your phone in to be serviced. I assume they do the same with their computers.

How does he even use his computer then?

Only uses Notepad and IE?

he uses it like any normal person does, IE, work, YT, Microsoft office etc, and any normal functions of a PC. his biggest 3rd party programs dislikes are stuff like bit torrents, music/file sharing sites and the like. its only a few 3rd party programs that he doesnt want to see on his PC.

atm he's kinda thinking of sticking with win10 as microsoft may pull the plug on the previous OS in some time but he's yet to reply to my text that it can go back to win7. i dont know what his decision will be until he calls me back.

do you think that microsoft will try to shorten the period that they'll support win 7/8 just so they can force more people to win 10? they'll come with new tactics if they're pushing this hard for win 10 and people are still resisting. it would be a huge a-hole moment if they tried that shit when the free upgrade ends *unjinx* .

This post has been edited by 207 on May 30 2016, 01:34 PM

It's not the end of the world if they stop supporting the old OS.

true, its just that you are risking the security as they wont do anymore updates.

edit: my father found the opt out option for windows 10 so its all solved for the most part.

This post has been edited by 207 on May 30 2016, 02:26 PM

If all you did was opt out you'll automatically be opted in later. M$ already confirmed this.

207, you and your father have your terms confused. GWX is the "Get Windows 10" (get it? X = 10) app that Microsoft forced on you. It's that stupid thing in the corner tricking you into installing Windows 10. GWX Control Panel is a third-party program that you can run in portable mode (no need to install at all) in order to wipe all traces of Windows 10 from your machine, then delete if you so desire. It's perfectly safe to use and I have done so on any machine where the user doesn't want Windows 10.

Do note, however, that if you choose to run it once then delete it you will need to be vigilant about your Windows Updates in the future. Every update cycle Microsoft will reissue the Get Windows 10 app as a 'critical' update even if you chose to hide it (because it's treated as a 'new' update rather than an existing update). Your choice is either to be vigilant and make sure you disable automatic updates and click 'More Information' for each update before installing (to see if it's related to Windows 10) or to keep GWX Control Panel running in 'monitor' mode to do it for you.

I repeat--even if you hid the update, it will come back automatically. Even if you opted out, you will be opted back in.

Use GWX Control Panel to get your system back, or embrace Windows 10.

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thank you again N1, i'll warn my father that the POS alert will come right back soon enough. i installed the GWX app and blocked that damn win 10 alert. i will keep the app on my PC as im not ready to embrace WIN10. i might do so later on when they phase out the WIN7 updates. im not too crazy about windows 8 but i do hope by then M$ win 10 has its shit together to be an acceptable option.

so for the time being, it'll tell WIN 10 where to stick it (preferably in a dark stinky place). i didnt mind that win10 free update app before windows went the malware route to force the upgrade with the "x" button, now it just infuriates me they pulled that sneaky BS on everyone.

which sort of person/group created this god send GWX app? also i did read on another article that you can use win7/8's own settings to hide the alert/notice. has WIN10 circumvented this already? if i understand your post correctly then they already have worked around it.

i set my OS updates (+my father's) to check only and ask for my permission before downloading any updates several months back when i first heard they were classifying win 10 as an "important update."

No, you installed the GWX Control Panel. The GWX App was already installed on your PC by Microsoft. Again, please do try to clarify your terms so as to reduce confusion.

GWX = Get Windows 10. Forced on you by Microsoft.
GWX Control Panel = Application to eradicate Windows 10 and its sneaky crap from your PC

As for Windows 7 updates, its lifetime is slated to end in January 2020. You have time.

You didn't mind it because you didn't know what it was actually doing in the background without your permission before they ever changed the functionality of the 'X' button. If you knew what it had been doing perhaps you would have cared more a lot earlier and we wouldn't be in this mess.

Just some guy with some know-how who hates Windows 10 and its bullshit more than I do. As for your question, you can hide the update and can uninstall the updates without using GWX Control Panel--GWX Control Panel simply gives you a braindead-simple way of doing it.

However, as I mentioned already before, note that even if you do that they will come back every week or so as a 'critical' update through Windows Update, which is why GWX Control Panel has a 'monitor' mode. Personally I screen all my updates so I don't use monitor mode, but the option is there for those who are lazy or who can't understand KB articles.