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Mazda ina Ford guy | Posted: Apr 3 2012, 06:37 PM |
333 Half Evil Group: Advanced Members Posts: 507 Member No.: 37,098 Joined: Mar 9th 2011 Location: The Twin Cities | OMG ^^^ this! Only 2 people know what happened, and one is dead. WITHHOLDING JUDGEMENT FOR SOMETHING RESEMBLEING FACTS TO EMERGE. |
Wanderer | Posted: Apr 3 2012, 06:50 PM |
The Watcher Group: Advanced Members Posts: 914 Member No.: 35,816 Joined: Jun 24th 2010 Location: San Jose, CA | I still believe Iran is a valid point to worry about considering Israel is indeed backed by the US as an older brother of sorts, which could cause WWIII. |
Tessou | Posted: Apr 4 2012, 06:54 AM |
More NEGATIVE than a black hole Group: ADMINISTRATOR Posts: 19,345 Member No.: 12,263 Joined: Sep 12th 2005 Location: Update Profile | Iran's intensive sanctions leave it relatively weak militarily, since their supply lines are restricted. If Iran tried to raise a shitstorm and attack Israel, the Iranian government would dissolve very quickly. That wouldn't be a concern, really. The big problem is the massive amount of loyal extremists that would retaliate. They're a lot harder to detect. |
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Jardim | Posted: Apr 4 2012, 09:51 AM |
Willing to throw 5's on the blunt your smoking. Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,659 Member No.: 15,519 Joined: Jan 21st 2006 Location: Hudson, MA | I feel like i'll be sporting a WWIII vet hat. |
Wanderer | Posted: Apr 4 2012, 10:27 AM |
The Watcher Group: Advanced Members Posts: 914 Member No.: 35,816 Joined: Jun 24th 2010 Location: San Jose, CA | The main issue isn't whether Iran attacks Israel, but if Israel attacks Iran. The move seems senseless considering various intelligence agencies (including Israel's) that have confirmed Israel isn't looking into nukes. Things would be great if Israel got rid of their nukes. |
Jardim | Posted: Apr 6 2012, 10:57 AM |
Willing to throw 5's on the blunt your smoking. Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,659 Member No.: 15,519 Joined: Jan 21st 2006 Location: Hudson, MA | Im not worried about Iran having nukes, The chance of their Nuclear bomb reaching US soil is very slim. What grinds my gears is that at the first hint of trouble with middle eastern folks, israel comes running into us asking for help -__- Those jews in the holy land are all loaded with money, and they could care less about our economy, they just want our military boots up iran's ass so they can keep slaughtering palestinians. |
Tessou | Posted: Apr 6 2012, 11:16 AM |
More NEGATIVE than a black hole Group: ADMINISTRATOR Posts: 19,345 Member No.: 12,263 Joined: Sep 12th 2005 Location: Update Profile | Actually, their relations with a fair amount of European countries would kick in before the US. Russia, for one. Germany, for two. Of course they don't care about our economy. Nobody does except us. |
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Wanderer | Posted: Apr 6 2012, 06:38 PM |
The Watcher Group: Advanced Members Posts: 914 Member No.: 35,816 Joined: Jun 24th 2010 Location: San Jose, CA | If you look back through history, the US usually thrives economically when in a proper war. In a better world, everybody would be denuclarized. But for now, declawing Israel would be the start at a stabilized middle-east. And can we make a new thread specifically for these kind of talks? I really enjoy having discussions like this with civilized and studied people. |
Tessou | Posted: Apr 7 2012, 04:53 AM | ||
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The economy was strengthened after WWI and WWII, not during. Remember that the massive war expenditures is going to take a huge toll on the country, completely demolishing the value of domestic currency. The groups of protesters and anti-war folks will hit the economy hard, regardless of the war being "proper" or not. Because they hate what the US is doing, they lose confidence in domestic production, and sink money elsewhere, further damaging the economy. | ||
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RalliKai | Posted: Apr 7 2012, 06:10 AM |
IDW Goldmember Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,164 Member No.: 3,607 Joined: Oct 9th 2004 Location: Update Profile | Iran only concerns me if it actually tries something bold and stupid like try to blockade the Straight of Hormuz which would just be inviting military action. I'm not as concerned about Iran's nuclear capability. I can understand Israels concern due to the ties between the Iranian regime and Hamas. Doesn't mean I think they should launch a conventional strike against them. I also question Israel's ability to carry out successful strikes on Iran if they go the air route, just due in large part to the distance. Iran's air defenses aren't great but still pretty dangerous. Plus you have to factor in the distance and that their best aircraft for the job is the F-15. Alot of aerial refueling inbetween. |
Tessou | Posted: Apr 7 2012, 09:54 AM |
More NEGATIVE than a black hole Group: ADMINISTRATOR Posts: 19,345 Member No.: 12,263 Joined: Sep 12th 2005 Location: Update Profile | The problem doesn't come from Iran directly. It's the goddamn borders with Syria and Lebanon that have been problematic for decades. Suicide squads roll in from the north, from a myriad of enemy countries, and blow shit up. Aircraft would be a stupid option because of the distance, yes. Currently the main offensive capabilities would lie in ICBMs. |
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Jardim | Posted: Apr 8 2012, 05:36 PM | ||
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It doesn't tess, but it does at the same time when we deploy so many people over there, keeping everyone of them fed, healthy and ammo'd. It's really money we shouldn't be spending, why don't other NATO countries besides the US go in? | ||
Wanderer | Posted: Apr 8 2012, 06:02 PM |
The Watcher Group: Advanced Members Posts: 914 Member No.: 35,816 Joined: Jun 24th 2010 Location: San Jose, CA | Because they see the backlash would be too much for them to justify offering a joint-strike with Israel-US. Simply put, war with Iran is pointless, Israel simply doesn't see that. |
Tessou | Posted: Apr 9 2012, 08:44 AM | ||
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Because NATO only provides a charter for collective defense, not aid. There is absolutely nothing that says NATO countries must provide aid to non-member countries, nor do they have to help NATO countries that are voluntarily doing so. Israel is not a NATO country, which means that no country is obligated to help them if Iran decides to go full out and declare war. However, NATO has been interested in Israel for decades, and has stated many times that they want to maintain the "not membership, but partnership of sorts" that they have going for them. While the state does not fall under Chapter 5 of the NATO charter, which would require member countries to help them, it would certainly be in NATO's best interests to keep them around. | ||
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Jardim | Posted: Apr 9 2012, 09:33 AM | ||
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This. I say leave them alone and buy their oil..in like 50 or so years they are going to need ours anyway... | ||
Wanderer | Posted: Apr 9 2012, 04:07 PM |
The Watcher Group: Advanced Members Posts: 914 Member No.: 35,816 Joined: Jun 24th 2010 Location: San Jose, CA | In 50 years, they won't need our oil, but our clean energy plasma fusion technology. |
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