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> Sub vs Dub: The Eternal Debate, Split from Random Thoughts
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Posted: Jan 26 2015, 03:08 PM


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QUOTE (Tessou @ Today, 1:15 AM)
It's terrible compared to the one John De Lancie has had on shelves for a while. Whatsherface came off like she didn't give a crap about everything going on. John actually cares.

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Also, more examples of 24" DUBS that sit better than janky Jappo in your faceholes:

- Hellsing Ultimate
- YuYu Hakusho
- Panty & Stocking
- Scryed
- Trigun
- Outlaw Star
- Cyber City Oedo
- Mongolian Chop Squad (except where they couldn't get rights to record "I've Got a Feeling")
- Rurouni Kenshin
- Tenchi
- Vandread

More opinions as time allows. Nobody wins but the argument is eternal.

All dubs suck, end of discussion.
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And yet they don't, end of discussion. smile.gif
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I really like NANA's dub, myself.
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QUOTE (tsukikomi @ Today, 12:29 AM)
Like lum but ten is such a douche bag.

Ten gets his just deserts a few times, thankfully, but it's hard to root for Ataru when he's such a fucking knob.

QUOTE (Tessou @ Today, 3:47 AM)
Go watch Bebop and then go soak your head. wink2.gif

Still no.

QUOTE (Tessou @ Today, 4:15 AM)
- Cyber City Oedo

Disagree with all of these but CCO in particular is probably the worst example you could have come up with next to a 4kids dub. It's amusing for its over-the-top quality but that's what makes it so bad as a dub. To its credit, the only kind of dub I'd watch is one like that, and purely ironically ("so bad it's good", etc.).

QUOTE (tsukikomi @ 56 minutes, 45 seconds ago)
All dubs suck, end of discussion.

Yes. There is literally no reason for any dub to exist.

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Ten gets his just deserts a few times, thankfully, but it's hard to root for Ataru when he's such a fucking knob.

Isn't it clear that he wants to be the next golden boy? derp.gif

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Yes. There is literally no reason for any dub to exist.


I agree with statement fully.
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QUOTE (Rudy @ 1 minute, 12 seconds ago)
If it weren't for dubs there wouldn't be nearly half as anime fans as there are today. I've encountered way more people who "don't want to read a television show" than those who watch subtitles.

That said, I usually way prefer subtitles. But dubs definitely have their place.

True that. Without the horrible chinese dubs I wouldn't get to know Initial D.
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QUOTE (Rudy @ 4 minutes, 49 seconds ago)
This is the part where I ponder if horrible Chinese dubs could be any worse than the "subtitled" DVD box set of Initial D I got ages ago... (long enough that Fourth Stage hadn't even aired yet) seriously Google Transcribe would have done a better job.

The dubs were horrible because the chinese voice actors didn't put any emotion to the tone.
I remember god foot saying "hiya." calmly when he is supposed to be like "DORIYAHHH!!!"
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What kinda dubs are we talking about in here?

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QUOTE (kyonpalm @ 5 hours, 41 minutes ago)
Ten gets his just deserts a few times, thankfully, but it's hard to root for Ataru when he's such a fucking knob.


Still no.


Disagree with all of these but CCO in particular is probably the worst example you could have come up with next to a 4kids dub. It's amusing for its over-the-top quality but that's what makes it so bad as a dub. To its credit, the only kind of dub I'd watch is one like that, and purely ironically ("so bad it's good", etc.).


Yes. There is literally no reason for any dub to exist.

HOW ABOUT FUCK NO LOLOLOL

Is what I'd say if I was a narrow minded fool.

Oh wait, it was already said here.
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QUOTE (Tessou @ 4 minutes, 1 seconds ago)
HOW ABOUT FUCK NO LOLOLOL

Is what I'd say if I was a narrow minded fool.

Oh wait, it was already said here.

Except I actually explained what makes a dub bad.
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QUOTE (Rudy @ 3 minutes, 1 seconds ago)
... anyone who says dubs are pointless earns +45 w33b points.

Recognizing that dubs are pointless =/= being a cancerous weeaboo.

But posting about it on an anime message board does. Fuck.
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The dubs vs subs argument has gone on for decades and will never end because it's an argument over opinion. Nissan vs. Toyota. Superman vs. Batman. Perry's penis vs. Bozz' robocock. In less than a day, it's down to "if you're not for X, you're a weaboo". I'd golf clap at the primitive comeback, but I left my gloves in my other clenched asshole.

I like dubs because I watch television like Latin people typically do: in the background. I'm hardly ever watching the screen. Since I'm not by any means a fluent listener of Japanese, subtitles are meaningless unless it's a series that I'm willing to sit my butt down to and focus on, because I'm in another room reading a book or something, not paying much attention. Note that in my list I did not jot down Initial D. I watched that show subbed from the start, love that as the "canon" way to see it, but I also think the Funimation dub was worth listening to. Think outside the box when it comes to the argument. Not everybody sees it as you do. Some people can't even see.
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QUOTE (Rudy @ 4 minutes, 42 seconds ago)
Oooh, you think you're so superior, don't you?

I'd tell you to read what I wrote again, but there's no point.

QUOTE (Tessou @ 19 seconds ago)
I'd golf clap at the primitive comeback, but I left my gloves in my other clenched asshole.

And I'd tip to that, but I left my fedora in the-- hahaha couldn't be bothered to finish that.

QUOTE (Tessou @ 19 seconds ago)
I like dubs because I watch television like Latin people typically do: in the background. I'm hardly ever watching the screen.

... I'm in another room reading a book or something, not paying much attention.

Then your point about subs vs. dubs is invalid because you aren't actually watching anything.
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That's how I watch/don't watch them NOW, since life has changed and I'm doing other things. Years ago I would watch a lot of things both ways and enjoyed it both ways. Stop thinking so narrowly, and look at it from a broader angle. You took one sentence and called it a lost cause, when I said a hell of a lot more.
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QUOTE (Rudy @ 19 seconds ago)
Nevermind the fact I already did a 5-star job of illustrating why dubs have their place and actually help the non-Japanese speaking anime fandom, right?

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QUOTE (Rudy @ 3 hours, 3 minutes ago)
If it weren't for dubs there wouldn't be nearly half as anime fans as there are today. I've encountered way more people who "don't want to read a television show" than those who watch subtitles.

...is more like a 5-star job of illustrating anecdotal evidence. If you want me to explain why dubs have no reason to exist, I'll do so, but you're the one who will have to show me what purpose they serve to the media (and I can tell you right now you're not gonna have a good time trying to do that).

QUOTE (Rudy @ 19 seconds ago)
Of course not. My opinion means nothing to you.

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QUOTE (Tessou @ 7 minutes, 5 seconds ago)
That's how I watch/don't watch them NOW, since life has changed and I'm doing other things. Years ago I would watch a lot of things both ways and enjoyed it both ways. Stop thinking so narrowly, and look at it from a broader angle. You took one sentence and called it a lost cause, when I said a hell of a lot more.

What you said boils down to "if I'm actually watching it, I generally prefer subs" and "if I'm not actually watching it, I generally prefer dubs". That explains everything by itself. Whether you watch/don't watch stuff this way now, five years ago, or ten years in the future, doesn't matter. You explained the way you watch(ed) dubbed media and I explained why that doesn't count because you simply weren't watching it. Nothing more to it. If you'd like to have a point against mine, you can use a show that you actually watched dubbed and explain why you preferred said dub.

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QUOTE (Rudy @ 6 minutes, 42 seconds ago)
Alright, I will. On syndicated television, absolutely no networks would want a television show to air which essentially forces the viewers to read what the bleep is going on.

Dubs have their place. Without them, Toonami would never exist. Anime for the most part would never catch on.

You're completely missing the point. Dubs may make it more marketable because a lot of people don't care about licensing companies localizing shows (and butchering them in the process) but this has nothing to do with whether dubs actually improve the quality of any show. They "have a place" in the American market because - and this is the problem with having to answer to your point because it ends up coming across as elitist opinionated garbage - people don't generally care too much about quality in the media they consume. Yeah, I said it.
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I already mentioned Bebop, among others, but I'll focus on that as an example. I've seen it both ways, and thought the dub track was the superior way to experience it. The original Japanese voices just aren't that good. They don't lend to the atmosphere of the show.

Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad also got a massive upgrade with actual English-speaking people doing the songs. The flow between dialog and singing was better, as there wasn't that jarring break between fluent Japanese and then hack job Engrish singing.

Besides, when I watch anime, I can watch it either way and enjoy it. I did not say or imply "If I'm actually watching it, I generally prefer subs." That all depends on the series in question. If the voices are too grating, I will switch, plain and simple. The dub of Panty & Stocking, while funnier to me in the dub, has some awful voices for the leads, so I watch it subbed. The only reason I go with dubs most of the time now is because I can't understand Japanese without subs. That doesn't mean that I PREFER it. That's just my fault that I didn't learn the language.
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